Add GRO Source
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Tom Beckham
Is anyone using this plug in? Trying to get it to function, but getting confused as it requests at the start to select 3 sources. Put it down to my age, but not sure what the plug in requires me to do to get started.
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Jane Taubman
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 15:18, Tom Beckham via Groups.Io <westbeckham=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote: Is anyone using this plug in? Trying to get it to function, but getting confused as it requests at the start to select 3 sources. Put it down to my age, but not sure what the plug in requires me to do to get started. You need to create the "core" sources for GRO index entries, eg "UK General Record Office -Birth Register" etc Once you have created the sources make a note of the numbers and enter them when prompted. Then you can enter the information and it will add a citation to the selected source for each entry. -
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Hi Tom, The Plugin assumes you have three Source records; one for each of 1) Birth GRO Index, 2) Marriage GRO Index, 3) Death GRO Index. Then when you find any BMD GRO Index for an Individual the Plugin knows which of those three Source records to cite against the event.
So if you have not created those three Source records beforehand you cannot respond to those Plugin prompts.
It also presumes you know what UK BMD GRO Index records are all about.
Regards, Mike Tate
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Beckham via Groups.Io
Is anyone using this plug in? Trying to get it to function, but getting confused as it requests at the start to select 3 sources. Put it down to my age, but not sure what the plug in requires me to do to get started. _._,_._,_
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Alan Hourd
That reminds me that I started entering GRO records into one Source, many (20?) years ago, rather than 3 separate sources. Then, much later, it occurred to me that the approach was untidy and started using three sources for GRO births, marriages and deaths. I have never attempted to extract the references from the "bulk" GRO Source to move them into the separate sources. Is there a simple way to do that - or would I have to move details one by one from the bulk to separate sources? Alan Hourd
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Jane Taubman
On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 16:09, Alan Hourd <alan.hourd@...> wrote:
You might be able to write a plugin to convert them if you have been consistent in entering the Where With in Source. --
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Alan Hourd
Consistent? In my dreams! I started using FH v. 2.0.7, or earlier - I still have the 2.0.7 CD. Much of my data came from FTM but included little in the way of sources. I don't think AS was around until some time after that and I seem to remember AS didn't handle BMDs initially. Still, a lot of the information is there, even if the apparent sources are mixed up. It was just a thought. Alan
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Take a look at the Replace Selected Source Citations Plugin that may do what you want if there are criteria to differentiate B from M from D. Any automated process has to have some way of distinguishing those three categories somehow. Regards, Mike Tate
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Hourd
That reminds me that I started entering GRO records into one Source, many (20?) years ago, rather than 3 separate sources. Then, much later, it occurred to me that the approach was untidy and started using three sources for GRO births, marriages and deaths. I have never attempted to extract the references from the "bulk" GRO Source to move them into the separate sources. Is there a simple way to do that - or would I have to move details one by one from the bulk to separate sources?
Alan Hourd
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I don’t know how many times your general GRO source has been used, but I suggest you download and run the plugin called “List all Citations for a Source”. In the Results Set you can double-click on each cell in the Items column to open the Property Box with the focus on the relevant fact. You could change a few each day!
Lorna
From: Alan Hourd
Sent: 07 February 2020 17:42 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Add GRO Source
Consistent? In my dreams! I started using FH v. 2.0.7, or earlier - I still have the 2.0.7 CD. Much of my data came from FTM but included little in the way of sources. I don't think AS was around until some time after that and I seem to remember AS didn't handle BMDs initially. Still, a lot of the information is there, even if the apparent sources are mixed up. It was just a thought.
Alan
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Alan Hourd
The Replace Selected Source Citations plugin worked fine after a little editing and a backup of the Gedcom. A check with the List All Citations plugin revealed a half a dozen citations that were still in the wrong place because of errors in the original entries. Thanks Mike and Lorna. Alan
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Jane Taubman
Personally I don't attach media to GRO Indexes, so the plugin is not designed to work with them, but that looks OK. Although "Add GRO Source" I thought put everything in one line.
On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 15:56, Tom Beckham <westbeckham@...> wrote:
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SDCann
I'm fairly new to all this, but I created Sources for GRO Births, marriages and deaths, separately. I the create a citation using the relevant source and quote the index data in the citation.
Is this a Good way to do it? Thanks, Steve.
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Sheila Bryant
Steve, I do hope so - it's what I do!!! Cheers
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 22:23, SDCann <sdcann@...> wrote: I'm fairly new to all this, but I created Sources for GRO Births, marriages and deaths, separately. I the create a citation using the relevant source and quote the index data in the citation. --
Sheila
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Hi Steve, Yes, that sounds good. Presumably you are adding the Citations to the Birth, Marriage & Death events respectively. There is also a Plugin that helps with that process.
However, if you order the BMD Certificates then a slightly different method is often better.
There was a recent discussion thread in the FHUG Forums on exactly this topic of Sources and Citations and the Add GRO Source plugin: https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=17444 https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=16641 You can join up for free.
Regards, Mike Tate
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of SDCann
I'm fairly new to all this, but I created Sources for GRO Births, marriages and deaths, separately. I the create a citation using the relevant source and quote the index data in the citation.
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As I don't use traditional sources and citations, I use this method to record entries from GRO indexes. For example, "Q3 1869" for the date; and "Sudbury registration district" for the place. That information can only come from the GRO indexes. That's it -- plain and simple.
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Victor Markham
Not quite. Information comes from local registration offices which sends the details to GRO. Not all details arrive some are missing. The marriages of my mother's two sisters are not in the GRO index. They were married in the 1930's. Fortunately I guessed which church they married in and found the details at the local history centre which has the parish records Having a copy from the local registration centre is a copy of the full certificate albeit in black and white. If you visit https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ you will get details of where the marriage took place..register office or name of church in addition to the local register office reference number which is different from the GRO number Victor
On 23/02/2020 4:29 pm, Trevor Rix
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As I don't use traditional sources and citations, I use this method to record entries from GRO indexes. For example, "Q3 1869" for the date; and "Sudbury registration district" for the place. That information can only come from the GRO indexes. That's it -- plain and simple.
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John Hanson
Victor
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From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham
Sent: 23 February 2020 17:45 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Add GRO Source
Not quite. Information comes from local registration offices which sends the details to GRO. Not all details arrive some are missing. The marriages of my mother's two sisters are not in the GRO index. They were married in the 1930's. Fortunately I guessed which church they married in and found the details at the local history centre which has the parish records Having a copy from the local registration centre is a copy of the full certificate albeit in black and white. If you visit https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ you will get details of where the marriage took place..register office or name of church in addition to the local register office reference number which is different from the GRO number Victor On 23/02/2020 4:29 pm, Trevor Rix wrote:
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Victor Markham
Yes that is correct. It is increasing and more local register offices are agreeing. Just because all counties are not covered doesn't mean one should not check One can check what is available on https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd UKBMD also has a Facebook group Victor
On 23/02/2020 5:52 pm, John Hanson
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Tom Beckham
Hello Steve, I am using the same method, with separate entries for the Birth , Marriage and Death. The particular book is where the data is found and the index data is the citation. Tom
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020, 10:23 pm SDCann, <sdcann@...> wrote: I'm fairly new to all this, but I created Sources for GRO Births, marriages and deaths, separately. I the create a citation using the relevant source and quote the index data in the citation.
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SDCann
Thanks, Mike. Very helpful.
Steve.
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