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Upgrading version 6

Rodney Inglesfield
 

Further to my post yesterday, I have now found out how to upgrade to version 6.2.7. Apologies to anyone who may have spent time preparing an answer.

Rodney


Re: Importing a created tree into another created tree

Mike Tate
 

If I have understood correctly, you want to integrate your two Projects into one Project.

Then all the people in your GM Project would be included in your GF Project (and you could delete your GM Project).

 

Presumably, some people currently appear as ancestors of your Grandmother in both Projects, i.e. her father’s family line.

Are the facts and other details recorded against those ancestors identical in both Projects?

 

You cannot just click on your Grandmother and include a GEDCOM like that.

However, the File > Merge/Compare File… command does integrate a GEDCOM file into a Project.

It does so by comparing records in the Project with records in the GEDCOM to find matches.

Bear in mind that it does not just cope with Individual records but also Family, Note, Source, Media, Place, etc, records.

 

The FHUG Knowledge Base has advice on using the Merge/Compare File command:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/merge-compare-file/

 

When you have studied that advice and have answers to my questions above I’m sure you will reply with your own questions.

 

Mike

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of ishjohns via groups.io
Sent: 15 May 2021 14:50
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importing a created tree into another created tree

 

I have 4 Projects I call family trees 2 are my Grandparents.

1 of the projects is my GF and my Grandmother's father's family line appears in the same tree but not her mother's family line.
1 of the projects is my GM family line which is the surname JONES from Wales.

Is it possible to add my GM project into my GF project  perhaps i.e. by creating my GM project into a gedcom and importing it into my GM line by just clicking her name and adding - like you would add a second spouse?

Hope this clears up my explanation.

Sarah


Re: Importing a created tree into another created tree

ishjohns@...
 

I have 4 Projects I call family trees 2 are my Grandparents.

1 of the projects is my GF and my Grandmother's father's family line appears in the same tree but not her mother's family line.
1 of the projects is my GM family line which is the surname JONES from Wales.

Is it possible to add my GM project into my GF project  perhaps i.e. by creating my GM project into a gedcom and importing it into my GM line by just clicking her name and adding - like you would add a second spouse?

Hope this clears up my explanation.

Sarah


Re: Importing a created tree into another created tree

Mike Tate
 

Hi Sarah,

It is not clear to me what you want to achieve.

You refer to 4 family trees and I suspect you are talking about 4 FH Projects that you open via the File > Project Window…

Is the file root person of each of those 4 Projects your 4 grandparents?

 

However, I’m not sure what you want to add in to your grandmother’s Project.

Where is that family tree created separately?

 

Sorry, but I don’t understand what you are trying to import after clicking her name.

 

Maybe I have completely misunderstood and you are talking about 4 family tree Diagrams you have saved as FH Charts.

Please can you explain what you want to achieve another way.

 

Mike

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of ishjohns via groups.io
Sent: 15 May 2021 12:50
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Importing a created tree into another created tree

 

Hi

I started out with FH6 and have always kept up to date with the updates I am currently on Version 7.0.5

I have 4 family trees that I work on and would like to know if it's possible to add in to my Grandmother's family tree that I created separately. I would just like to click on her name and import her family tree and all her family appear lol.

Is it possible to do that and if so may I ask how please?

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sarah


Importing a created tree into another created tree

ishjohns@...
 

Hi

I started out with FH6 and have always kept up to date with the updates I am currently on Version 7.0.5

I have 4 family trees that I work on and would like to know if it's possible to add in to my Grandmother's family tree that I created separately. I would just like to click on her name and import her family tree and all her family appear lol.

Is it possible to do that and if so may I ask how please?

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sarah


Re: Buying FH Version 6

Lorna Craig
 

Brian, as Mike has said there have already been several minor updates to fix bugs.  So if you do upgrade you will certainly not be ‘the first’ with the software.

 

The main consideration is whether you (or your friend) are likely to want to use many of the new features, and whether you want to spend time learning them.  However if your friend has to buy V7 you will need to learn about it anyway, in order to help him. 

 

It is a major upgrade, but many long-term users of FH have decided to ignore some of the new features (particularly templated sources and Data Entry Assistants) and by customising some of the displays they find they can continue to work in much the same way as they did with V6.   There is some information about that in the FHUG Knowledge Base here: https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/customising-v7-to-use-v6-style-sources/

 

Lorna


Re: Buying FH Version 6

Mike Tate
 

Brian, I sympathise with that approach and usually adopt the same strategy but forced to upgrade to FH v7 to support my plugins.

However, I have only recently taken the plunge to update my master Project to FH v7 format (I have FH v6 still running on another PC).

 

You may be approaching the point of satisfying your 2nd or 3rd bug-fix criteria.

FH v7.0.1 was released in January, followed by v7.0.2, v7.0.3, v7.0.4 and now v7.0.5.

 

Mike

 


Re: Buying FH Version 6

Brian Horridge
 

Mike

Thanks for the information.  My reluctance to upgrade to Ver 7 is primarily because I never like to be the first with any software and, no matter how much beta-testing is done, there are always bugs that appear as soon as it is used for real.  I normally wait till after the 2nd or 3rd bug-fix update.

Again, thanks

Brian

On 15/05/2021 10:08, Mike Tate wrote:

Brian,

FH v7 does have an option in its Export > GEDCOM File… command to choose Destination: Family Historian 6 or earlier.

That allows the GEDCOM file to be understood by FH v6 although there are some residual FH v7 ‘features’.

The Export Gedcom File plugin has a GEDCOM Export Mode: (FH6) Family Historian V6.2 that does a more complete conversion.

 

You may also have some issues exchanging certain customisation files whose format has changed slightly.

 

I suspect, sooner or later, you will upgrade to FH v7 but perhaps avoid some of its new features.

However, there are some features that I’m sure you will embrace.

 

If your friend bought FH v6 now, when you upgraded, your friend would have to fork out for the FH v7 upgrade too.

 

Mike Tate

 


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Re: Buying FH Version 6

Mike Tate
 

Brian,

FH v7 does have an option in its Export > GEDCOM File… command to choose Destination: Family Historian 6 or earlier.

That allows the GEDCOM file to be understood by FH v6 although there are some residual FH v7 ‘features’.

The Export Gedcom File plugin has a GEDCOM Export Mode: (FH6) Family Historian V6.2 that does a more complete conversion.

 

You may also have some issues exchanging certain customisation files whose format has changed slightly.

 

I suspect, sooner or later, you will upgrade to FH v7 but perhaps avoid some of its new features.

However, there are some features that I’m sure you will embrace.

 

If your friend bought FH v6 now, when you upgraded, your friend would have to fork out for the FH v7 upgrade too.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Buying FH Version 6

Brian Horridge
 

I checked My History before I posted my question and, although Ver 6 is listed on the website, it also says "out of stock" (and is also unavailable on Amazon).

Brian

On 15/05/2021 08:12, Trevor Rix wrote:

Yes, FH v6 is still available to purchase.

https://www.twrcomputing.co.uk/acatalog/Family-Historian-V5-Full-Retail-Box-CPFH6.html#SID=17


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Re: Buying FH Version 6

Trevor Rix
 

Yes, FH v6 is still available to purchase.

https://www.twrcomputing.co.uk/acatalog/Family-Historian-V5-Full-Retail-Box-CPFH6.html#SID=17


Buying FH Version 6

Brian Horridge
 

Hello

Is it still possible to by FH Version 6.  I believe it's still possible to download a 30-day trial copy of Ver 6 but it does not appear that you could then buy a full Version 6 licence after the 30 days.

The reason for buying Version 6 is that I am using my Ver 6 to do some research for a friend who is a complete beginner and wants to buy the same software as I am using to  do the work for him (and I can help him in his early learning days). 

As I am using Ver 6 and, with the structural changes to the Gedcom format between Ver 6 and Ver 7, it would be better if we are both using the same version.  I understand that if he sent me a Ver 7 file I could not open it in Ver 6 (unless he sent me an "exported" Gedcom rather than the native FH7 Gedcom file).  At this stage I'm not intending to upgrade my software to Ver 7.

Does FH7 have a specific "export to FH6" option??  If there is only a generic "export to Gedcom", would any of the FH custom attributes / features be lost.

Many thanks

Brian



Re: Installing version 6.2.7 on a new computer

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Installing version 6.2.7 on a new computer

Rodney Inglesfield
 

I have installed Family Historian on my new computer by going through the process of installing my original version 5 from the CD and then using my version 6 upgrade CD. I now have version 6.0.0 on the new computer. I want to upgrade to 6.2.7. FHUG Copy and Migration Guide advises  downloading from thr Family Historian Download Archive. I have tried this, but it only offers downloads of version 7 upgrades. How do I upgrade to the latest version of 6?
Any help would be appreciated..

Rodney


Re: FH7 Evidence Based (Source-driven Data Entry) Templates

Dennis
 

Jan. 

I agree with you from an analytical standpoint. I, too, come from a highly scientific/analytical background. In college I was studying Marine Biology then went off into the Computer field (+/- 1980) as a computer systems programmer, systems analyst so I too have a deep scientific approach to every day life. Of course, this tends to overthinking or being so nick picking that I can be so obsessive about how to solve a problem. This is why I obsess over these genealogical debates. Even as a “hobbyist”, I want whatever I do in this family history endeavor to be as “perfect” as I can.

Due to health issues, I can’t travel to physical archives and such, so either the original documents in my possession and/or the online world is my study hall.

With that I’ll say Cheers.


--
Regards, Dennis.
Surnames of interest: Beatley & Evans originating in Great Britain ->> Colonial US New York / Maryland / Virginia


Re: FH7 Evidence Based (Source-driven Data Entry) Templates

Jan Murphy
 

Hi, Dennis --

Re: your comment:

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 8:56 AM Dennis <dpb.genealogy@...> wrote:

 This is purely a hobby to keep busy in my retirement and if those that follow have to do more in-depth research to find the source , then so be it. In a decade the internet as we know it may not even exist. EE/GPS may be eclipsed by another take on the subject.

I am a hobbyist, too, but I'm also a fallen-away academic and a researcher, so I can't help digging deeper into things.  I bring my love of jigsaw puzzles and logic puzzles along with me.  But just because I like 1000 piece jigsaws doesn't mean that everyone has to do them.  Choose whatever level of work you're comfortable with!  

I like to look at that quote from the beginning of EE to remind myself not to get caught up into the fine details of templates, but rather to think about whether I understand what I'm looking at.  

As for the GPS, my motto is simple. If the pros have a tool I can use to keep from shooting myself in the foot, why shouldn't I use it, too?  I break the five elements down into simpler language, like this:

- you don't want to search so narrowly that you miss out finding the goodies about your people
- understand your sources; make notes about what you saw and how you found it
- look at all the sources you find as a group, not just one by one
- if sources disagree, try to figure out why that might be
- write up what you concluded and why, so you can remember what you were thinking

Put in those terms, does the GPS sound that bad?    

The same goes for the Evidence Analysis Process Map.  It seems intimidating at first, but once you start using the process enough, it becomes easier to think about.  It answers the question "How do you know what you know?"

One more link from the Evidence Explained website: EAM & GPS: Newsflash! Siblings, not Twins

Even if you don't want to do a full-out deep dive, a simple thing we can do for analysis is to make a timeline for a person by putting all the sources we have for a person on a timeline in the order the records were created, not in the order of the events described inside. Delayed birth records -- birth certificates issued in the USA in the 20th century, for people who were born before statewide registration began --  may have been issued later in life, and listing them when they were applied for or granted shows at a glance how far removed they are from the person's actual birth.  

Hobbyists may not want to use the GPS and the Evidence Analysis all the time (though keeping a research journal to record your thoughts may be useful).  But if you have a hard problem to crack, why not use tools that can help?  That's the way I see it, anyway.  Personally, I think Mills' approach for evidence analysis is sound and will hold up for a long time. 

Cheers,

Jan


Jan Murphy
Moderator Pro Tempore


Re: FH7 Evidence Based (Source-driven Data Entry) Templates

Dennis
 

Jan. 

Point well taken. I usually dump a cut-n-paste of the full citation (such as ancestry) into the notes so I have a record of the original citation.

--
Regards, Dennis.
Surnames of interest: Beatley & Evans originating in Great Britain ->> Colonial US New York / Maryland / Virginia


Re: FH7 Evidence Based (Source-driven Data Entry) Templates

Dennis
 

Jan. 

First thanks for the detailed information. Regarding the kindle EE, I canceled the order once I realized it was “print replica”. Amazon has a fair cancellation/return policy for e-books. 

I know of the EE website and have read through many of the “quick lessons” to help clarify this in my own methodology and why I’ve embarked on this endeavor of my family history. However, once I start reading up on the GPS, the evidence-based vs conclusion-based debate, splitters vs lumper and all the rest of it, as an amateur just trying to document some fam-history for those that come after me, (although it just may end up in trash 😀) I came away more confused that it’s worth.
At this point, I’m going with FH7 as-is template wise and attempt to get a source/citation as close as possible to ideal. This is purely a hobby to keep busy in my retirement and if those that follow have to do more in-depth research to find the source , then so be it. In a decade the internet as we know it may not even exist. EE/GPS may be eclipsed by another take on the subject.

-- 

Regards, Dennis.
Surnames of interest: Beatley & Evans originating in Great Britain ->> Colonial US New York / Maryland / Virginia


Re: FH7 Evidence Based (Source-driven Data Entry) Templates

Jan Murphy
 

Whichever template you decide to use with FH7, if you're considering purchasing Evidence Explained, I'd like to offer some information about EE so you can make an informed decision about whether to buy it.  

First: take a look at the (free) Evidence Explained website and forum, where you can access samples from the book, read Quicklessons, and see discussions about how to write citations: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/  For your question, this recent Quicklesson may help:  QuickLesson 25: ARKs, PALs, Paths & Waypoints (Citing Online Providers of Digital Images)

EE on the Kindle is what they call "Print Replica" format, which means, you get the image of the book pages in PDF format. You can't read it on an e-ink Kindle; you have to have a Kindle Fire tablet or use the Kindle app on your computer.  Check Amazon's advice on Print Replica items before you buy.  The book may be difficult to read on smaller Fire tablets without zooming in on the image.  (I have two e-editions and one print edition.) 

There are also Quicksheets derived from EE, if you're on a budget or need something more portable than the hardcover EE, such as the Quicksheet:  Your Stripped-Bare Guide to Citing Sources. 1st Edition Revised

Michael Hait's two blog posts about EE show why EE is important. It isn't just a collection of templates. It's a research guide, to help us understand what we're looking at. 
2) … but we do need Evidence Explained.

I consider it to be an essential reference work like Mark Herber's Ancestral Trails.  

This may not affect your citations directly, but users consulting EE and using Mills' Evidence Analysis Process Map (printed on the endpapers of EE) should be aware that the usage of some terms differs in the US and the UK.  See this article to understand why:

Mills, Elizabeth Shown. “Working with Historical Evidence: Genealogical Principles and Standards.” Evidence: A Special Issue of the National Genealogical Society Quarterly 87 (September 1999): 165–84. PDF download. Elizabeth Shown Mills. Historic Pathways. https://www.historicpathways.com : [accessed 12 May 2021].  https://www.historicpathways.com/download/workwthhistevidence.pdf

To me, the most important sentence from EE is this (page 8 of the 3rd revised edition, page 10 of the 3rd edition).

We identify our sources -- and their strengths and weaknesses -- so we can reach the most reliable conclusions.

I encourage you to keep any information like the access date that doesn't make it into your final citation in research notes in case you need it later.  You could, if you wanted, write out your reasons why you didn't follow the template or any other questions about the source that you weren't able to resolve. That way if you do need to revisit the source, you'll have a record of what you were thinking when you collected it or added it to Family Historian.

Hope this helps. 

Jan Murphy
Moderator Pro Tempore


Re: FH7 Evidence Based (Source-driven Data Entry) Templates

Dennis
 

Morning folks!
First, it was nice that nobody mentioned me being “Boneheaded” in that error. 💀💀😎

Kai, I will most definitely check out those links. Thanks ever so much. 

Andrain, thank you for that analysis. I’m just glad I haven’t started my genealogy do-over yet - been doing a lot of research into these topics in the hope I get it somewhat “correct“ - even though correct is very subjective. 

cheers
--
Regards, Dennis.
Surnames of interest: Beatley & Evans originating in Great Britain ->> Colonial US New York / Maryland / Virginia

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