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Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Brent Tapscott
 

I certainly have that scenario set-up as two families in FH.    AS handles that with no problem at all when entering the Birth / Baptism of the illegitimate child, so am unsure why you think it "stuttered".


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Mike Tate
 

John,

I believe most users adopt your last scenario.

Set up the mother in two families - one for the illegitimate child showing no father and then a separate one for the married family.

It is also feasible to set the Parent-Child relationship to ‘illegitimate’ for the illegitimate child.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 23 April 2022 13:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] How to handle Illegitimate Births

 

I am just researching a very large extended but rural family grouping as part of my One name Study and they have been quite an interesting challenge not least due to multiple illegitimate births ( and then some "passing around" of same children to be raised by aunties etc.

I had a bit of an issue enetring an illegitimate birth via Ancestral Sources which I still dont fully understand, something to do with the child already existing in a family? but I worked around that.

It made me realise however that there are various ways to treat such a birth.

So my question is this:

Mother A gives birth to child B
Mother subsequently marries Spouse C
They then have a second child D who carries the fathers surname whilst child B is integrated into family but mainatins mothers surname on subsequent census etc.

How do people treat this in FH?

Do you set up one family with both children and use the "relationaship to parents" box to show mother is birth mother but father is not birth father for the illiegitimate birth. ( this is where Ancestral sources stuttered?)
Do you set up the mother in two families - one for the illegitimate child showing no father and then a seperate one for the marriage family?

Hope that question makes ense?

with thanks
John Firr
M


How to handle Illegitimate Births

johnfirr@...
 

I am just researching a very large extended but rural family grouping as part of my One name Study and they have been quite an interesting challenge not least due to multiple illegitimate births ( and then some "passing around" of same children to be raised by aunties etc.

I had a bit of an issue enetring an illegitimate birth via Ancestral Sources which I still dont fully understand, something to do with the child already existing in a family? but I worked around that.

It made me realise however that there are various ways to treat such a birth.

So my question is this:

Mother A gives birth to child B
Mother subsequently marries Spouse C
They then have a second child D who carries the fathers surname whilst child B is integrated into family but mainatins mothers surname on subsequent census etc.

How do people treat this in FH?

Do you set up one family with both children and use the "relationaship to parents" box to show mother is birth mother but father is not birth father for the illiegitimate birth. ( this is where Ancestral sources stuttered?)
Do you set up the mother in two families - one for the illegitimate child showing no father and then a seperate one for the marriage family?

Hope that question makes ense?

with thanks
John Firr
M


Re: Number Trees in a Project

arlidge <arlidge@...>
 

John Elvin & ColeValleyGrl

Thank you for the prompt replies. They did work but maybe I got confused having so many trees reported from the stats.

As I had combined two files that led me to believe I had duplicates and I was amazed at the number of trees I ended up with.

So for me its back to the original files using the Everyone diagram to ensure the links are correct before I attempt another merge (or manual update!).


Neville




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Sent: 20/04/2022 09:31:12
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Number Trees in a Project

I presume you are looking at the number of trees shown when viewing the Everyone Diagram.

In the sample project, three of the extra trees are where the people don't fit and you'll see a link to the place in the main part of the diagram.


There is one group of people unrelated to anyone else in the diagram - FH calls the separate groups pools.

The attached simple query will list the people in the pools.
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Re: Number Trees in a Project

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

The standard 'Search for Orphans' query will do the same thing as the Pools query posted by John Elvin.


Re: Number Trees in a Project

John Elvin
 

I presume you are looking at the number of trees shown when viewing the Everyone Diagram.

In the sample project, three of the extra trees are where the people don't fit and you'll see a link to the place in the main part of the diagram.

There is one group of people unrelated to anyone else in the diagram - FH calls the separate groups pools.

The attached simple query will list the people in the pools.


Number Trees in a Project

arlidge@...
 

Hello

I have a project and as its been getting larger over time and I notice that I have more than one tree (even the Sample File has 5).

From the Diagram Statistics you can find out how many trees you have. I now have 13.

The question is how do you scan through the individual trees, or list them ?



thanks in advance

Neville


Re: How to merge part of a tree

Mike Tate
 

Clive,

 

Since your immediate family members exist in both Projects, when you perform the Merge, they should automatically synchronize.

Focus your attention on Merging all their facts, etc, so that the combined Project includes a superset of all their details.

You may need a few trial attempts to become familiar with the matching techniques and cancel the Merge, before finally committing to a Merge.

 

I presume those records all use consistent Place and Address naming formats in both the original Projects.

If not, then it may be beneficial to adjust them in one Project to match the other Project before Merging.

 

One other Individual record that should synchronize is your shared common ancestor. So check their details are all included.

( Don’t worry if that Individual does not auto-synchronize. The records can be Merged separately in the composite Project later. )

 

There appears to be no consistent Source or Place naming across the two Projects.

It sounds like your own Project has very few Sources and Places at all.

That should not cause any significant problems with the Merge.

However, it may need a lot of work afterwards to achieve consistent data across the composite Project.

 

Mike

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 18 April 2022 10:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How to merge part of a tree

 

Thanks Mike

In answer to your questions
1    Yes my wife and I exist as individuals in both projects
2    Yes our children etc exist as individuals in both projects
3    Most of the entries in one project came from the Reunion program used by my father many years ago.  As such there are some odd or no sources / places identified in much of that project following the transfer (checking sources will take some time to do!).  The other project is pretty well recorded in the usual formats.  Do you think this may cause a problem?

Regards
Clive

On 16/04/2022 11:18, Mike Tate wrote:

Clive,

As Victor says, even with one combined comprehensive master Project, it is easy to produce Diagrams and Reports for specific branches.

If it is not possible from the combined Project, it can be copied to a temporary Project, and the unwanted branches deleted using File > Split Tree Helper.

Then any Diagrams and Reports can be produced for the remaining branches, and finally the temporary Project is deleted.

That way you only ever need to update one master Project and when you create temporary copies you know they are accurate.

 

To keep you two current Projects for the time being and create a separate combined master Project follow this procedure.

In your Project, use File > Project Window… and then More Tasks > Copy Project giving it the desired master Project name.

Open that new master Project, use File > Merge/Compare File… and select the GEDCOM file in your Wife’s Project.

The details of the Merge process will depend somewhat on which Individuals, Families, Sources, Places, etc, are common to both Projects.

e.g.

Do you and your wife exist as Individuals in both Projects?

Do your children & grandchildren exist as Individuals in both Projects?

Do you have any Source records or Place records that are similar/identical in both Projects?

 

See the FHUG Knowledge Base advice on Merge/Compare File and digest the details and advice:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/merge-compare-file/

 

Since it is only your immediate family and the one common ancestor that are likely to exist in both Projects, the Merge should be straightforward.

However, it needs some care and attention to detail, and every type of record tab must be reviewed.

 

If anything is unclear then please ask before performing/completing the Merge.

However, if the Merge goes awry you can delete the master Project and start again with a new copy of your original Project.

 

Mike Tate


Re: How to merge part of a tree

Alsatia
 

Thanks Mike

In answer to your questions
1    Yes my wife and I exist as individuals in both projects
2    Yes our children etc exist as individuals in both projects
3    Most of the entries in one project came from the Reunion program used by my father many years ago.  As such there are some odd or no sources / places identified in much of that project following the transfer (checking sources will take some time to do!).  The other project is pretty well recorded in the usual formats.  Do you think this may cause a problem?

Regards
Clive


On 16/04/2022 11:18, Mike Tate wrote:

Clive,

As Victor says, even with one combined comprehensive master Project, it is easy to produce Diagrams and Reports for specific branches.

If it is not possible from the combined Project, it can be copied to a temporary Project, and the unwanted branches deleted using File > Split Tree Helper.

Then any Diagrams and Reports can be produced for the remaining branches, and finally the temporary Project is deleted.

That way you only ever need to update one master Project and when you create temporary copies you know they are accurate.

 

To keep you two current Projects for the time being and create a separate combined master Project follow this procedure.

In your Project, use File > Project Window… and then More Tasks > Copy Project giving it the desired master Project name.

Open that new master Project, use File > Merge/Compare File… and select the GEDCOM file in your Wife’s Project.

The details of the Merge process will depend somewhat on which Individuals, Families, Sources, Places, etc, are common to both Projects.

e.g.

Do you and your wife exist as Individuals in both Projects?

Do your children & grandchildren exist as Individuals in both Projects?

Do you have any Source records or Place records that are similar/identical in both Projects?

 

See the FHUG Knowledge Base advice on Merge/Compare File and digest the details and advice:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/merge-compare-file/

 

Since it is only your immediate family and the one common ancestor that are likely to exist in both Projects, the Merge should be straightforward.

However, it needs some care and attention to detail, and every type of record tab must be reviewed.

 

If anything is unclear then please ask before performing/completing the Merge.

However, if the Merge goes awry you can delete the master Project and start again with a new copy of your original Project.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 16 April 2022 00:15
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How to merge part of a tree

Clive

When the two projects are combined and you do a narrative report from the husbands ancestors and another from the wife's the report will give different details as if they were from separate trees

If you go to a person on your tree and open the 'view' menu at the top then prompt 'query' and from the menu prompt relationship. This will list all those related to the particular person you have highlighted on FH. Let's say the husband. This will list all the relationships he has. Do the same for the wife it will list different relationship names. Both are open like a spreadsheet which can be saved

There really is no need to have 2 separate projects

I also have FTM which gives more details of the names and the links. Something like '4th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin once removed of victor' FH just says 'no direct relationship'

Victor

On 15/04/2022 22:22, Alsatia wrote:

Hello Mike

Thanks for your advice.  You are correct in thinking I have one project for myself and one for my wife.  Ideally I would like to keep both projects separate but as you say  in this case any further common ancestors that are discovered  would need to be duplicated.  This could lead to errors.  On the other hand a common ancestor may mean there are other links to be found which would otherwise not be apparent that a merged project would facilitate.

I think that i would like to merge the two projects as a 3rd project and keep the original projects intact but unchanged.  If at some time in the future there are no more common ancestors to be discovered then the common information can be added separately to the two projects.  This would be best so only the relevant parts of the family history can be disseminated to my own family and to my wife's family.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain the relevant procedures to put this into effect.

Clive Barker

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Re: How to merge part of a tree

Alsatia
 

Hi Victor

I've had a look at your suggestion and that seems to work well.  Another reason for me to use a combined project.

Thanks
Clive

On 16/04/2022 00:14, Victor Markham via groups.io wrote:

Clive

When the two projects are combined and you do a narrative report from the husbands ancestors and another from the wife's the report will give different details as if they were from separate trees

If you go to a person on your tree and open the 'view' menu at the top then prompt 'query' and from the menu prompt relationship. This will list all those related to the particular person you have highlighted on FH. Let's say the husband. This will list all the relationships he has. Do the same for the wife it will list different relationship names. Both are open like a spreadsheet which can be saved

There really is no need to have 2 separate projects

I also have FTM which gives more details of the names and the links. Something like '4th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin once removed of victor' FH just says 'no direct relationship'

Victor

On 15/04/2022 22:22, Alsatia wrote:
Hello Mike

Thanks for your advice.  You are correct in thinking I have one project for myself and one for my wife.  Ideally I would like to keep both projects separate but as you say  in this case any further common ancestors that are discovered  would need to be duplicated.  This could lead to errors.  On the other hand a common ancestor may mean there are other links to be found which would otherwise not be apparent that a merged project would facilitate.

I think that i would like to merge the two projects as a 3rd project and keep the original projects intact but unchanged.  If at some time in the future there are no more common ancestors to be discovered then the common information can be added separately to the two projects.  This would be best so only the relevant parts of the family history can be disseminated to my own family and to my wife's family.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain the relevant procedures to put this into effect.

Clive Barker

On 15/04/2022 20:30, Mike Tate wrote:
Hi Clive,

Reading between the lines, I guess you have two separate Projects; one for yourself, and one for your wife.

The recurring advice that is often given is that one combined Project is usually far superior.
It avoids the problem you are now facing for all common relatives.
It also often means such relatives are more easily and quickly discovered.
That includes not only common ancestors, as in this case, but also common descendants such as your children and grandchildren.
Having one Project avoids needing to update such common relatives in two Projects.

So the solution to your question depends on whether you wish to continue with two Projects and their parallel updating or to merge them into one composite Project that will be simpler to manage.

Mike Tate

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 15 April 2022 17:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] How to merge part of a tree

Hi

In researching my own and my wife's family trees I have discovered we have a common ancestor.  There are a large number of  members of the family previous to that ancestor.  I would like to add those from one tree into the other without having to enter all the details again.  I look forward to anyone's suggestions.

Many thanks
Clive Barker













Re: How to merge part of a tree

Mike Tate
 

Clive,

As Victor says, even with one combined comprehensive master Project, it is easy to produce Diagrams and Reports for specific branches.

If it is not possible from the combined Project, it can be copied to a temporary Project, and the unwanted branches deleted using File > Split Tree Helper.

Then any Diagrams and Reports can be produced for the remaining branches, and finally the temporary Project is deleted.

That way you only ever need to update one master Project and when you create temporary copies you know they are accurate.

 

To keep you two current Projects for the time being and create a separate combined master Project follow this procedure.

In your Project, use File > Project Window… and then More Tasks > Copy Project giving it the desired master Project name.

Open that new master Project, use File > Merge/Compare File… and select the GEDCOM file in your Wife’s Project.

The details of the Merge process will depend somewhat on which Individuals, Families, Sources, Places, etc, are common to both Projects.

e.g.

Do you and your wife exist as Individuals in both Projects?

Do your children & grandchildren exist as Individuals in both Projects?

Do you have any Source records or Place records that are similar/identical in both Projects?

 

See the FHUG Knowledge Base advice on Merge/Compare File and digest the details and advice:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/merge-compare-file/

 

Since it is only your immediate family and the one common ancestor that are likely to exist in both Projects, the Merge should be straightforward.

However, it needs some care and attention to detail, and every type of record tab must be reviewed.

 

If anything is unclear then please ask before performing/completing the Merge.

However, if the Merge goes awry you can delete the master Project and start again with a new copy of your original Project.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 16 April 2022 00:15
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How to merge part of a tree

Clive

When the two projects are combined and you do a narrative report from the husbands ancestors and another from the wife's the report will give different details as if they were from separate trees

If you go to a person on your tree and open the 'view' menu at the top then prompt 'query' and from the menu prompt relationship. This will list all those related to the particular person you have highlighted on FH. Let's say the husband. This will list all the relationships he has. Do the same for the wife it will list different relationship names. Both are open like a spreadsheet which can be saved

There really is no need to have 2 separate projects

I also have FTM which gives more details of the names and the links. Something like '4th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin once removed of victor' FH just says 'no direct relationship'

Victor

On 15/04/2022 22:22, Alsatia wrote:

Hello Mike

Thanks for your advice.  You are correct in thinking I have one project for myself and one for my wife.  Ideally I would like to keep both projects separate but as you say  in this case any further common ancestors that are discovered  would need to be duplicated.  This could lead to errors.  On the other hand a common ancestor may mean there are other links to be found which would otherwise not be apparent that a merged project would facilitate.

I think that i would like to merge the two projects as a 3rd project and keep the original projects intact but unchanged.  If at some time in the future there are no more common ancestors to be discovered then the common information can be added separately to the two projects.  This would be best so only the relevant parts of the family history can be disseminated to my own family and to my wife's family.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain the relevant procedures to put this into effect.

Clive Barker

._,_._,_


Re: How to merge part of a tree

Victor Markham
 

Clive

When the two projects are combined and you do a narrative report from the husbands ancestors and another from the wife's the report will give different details as if they were from separate trees

If you go to a person on your tree and open the 'view' menu at the top then prompt 'query' and from the menu prompt relationship. This will list all those related to the particular person you have highlighted on FH. Let's say the husband. This will list all the relationships he has. Do the same for the wife it will list different relationship names. Both are open like a spreadsheet which can be saved

There really is no need to have 2 separate projects

I also have FTM which gives more details of the names and the links. Something like '4th cousin of wife of 2nd cousin once removed of victor' FH just says 'no direct relationship'

Victor

On 15/04/2022 22:22, Alsatia wrote:

Hello Mike

Thanks for your advice.  You are correct in thinking I have one project for myself and one for my wife.  Ideally I would like to keep both projects separate but as you say  in this case any further common ancestors that are discovered  would need to be duplicated.  This could lead to errors.  On the other hand a common ancestor may mean there are other links to be found which would otherwise not be apparent that a merged project would facilitate.

I think that i would like to merge the two projects as a 3rd project and keep the original projects intact but unchanged.  If at some time in the future there are no more common ancestors to be discovered then the common information can be added separately to the two projects.  This would be best so only the relevant parts of the family history can be disseminated to my own family and to my wife's family.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain the relevant procedures to put this into effect.

Clive Barker

On 15/04/2022 20:30, Mike Tate wrote:
Hi Clive,

Reading between the lines, I guess you have two separate Projects; one for yourself, and one for your wife.

The recurring advice that is often given is that one combined Project is usually far superior.
It avoids the problem you are now facing for all common relatives.
It also often means such relatives are more easily and quickly discovered.
That includes not only common ancestors, as in this case, but also common descendants such as your children and grandchildren.
Having one Project avoids needing to update such common relatives in two Projects.

So the solution to your question depends on whether you wish to continue with two Projects and their parallel updating or to merge them into one composite Project that will be simpler to manage.

Mike Tate

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 15 April 2022 17:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] How to merge part of a tree

Hi

In researching my own and my wife's family trees I have discovered we have a common ancestor.  There are a large number of  members of the family previous to that ancestor.  I would like to add those from one tree into the other without having to enter all the details again.  I look forward to anyone's suggestions.

Many thanks
Clive Barker












Re: How to merge part of a tree

Alsatia
 

Hello Mike

Thanks for your advice.  You are correct in thinking I have one project for myself and one for my wife.  Ideally I would like to keep both projects separate but as you say  in this case any further common ancestors that are discovered  would need to be duplicated.  This could lead to errors.  On the other hand a common ancestor may mean there are other links to be found which would otherwise not be apparent that a merged project would facilitate.

I think that i would like to merge the two projects as a 3rd project and keep the original projects intact but unchanged.  If at some time in the future there are no more common ancestors to be discovered then the common information can be added separately to the two projects.  This would be best so only the relevant parts of the family history can be disseminated to my own family and to my wife's family.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain the relevant procedures to put this into effect.

Clive Barker

On 15/04/2022 20:30, Mike Tate wrote:

Hi Clive,

Reading between the lines, I guess you have two separate Projects; one for yourself, and one for your wife.

The recurring advice that is often given is that one combined Project is usually far superior.
It avoids the problem you are now facing for all common relatives.
It also often means such relatives are more easily and quickly discovered.
That includes not only common ancestors, as in this case, but also common descendants such as your children and grandchildren.
Having one Project avoids needing to update such common relatives in two Projects.

So the solution to your question depends on whether you wish to continue with two Projects and their parallel updating or to merge them into one composite Project that will be simpler to manage.

Mike Tate

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 15 April 2022 17:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] How to merge part of a tree

Hi

In researching my own and my wife's family trees I have discovered we have a common ancestor.  There are a large number of  members of the family previous to that ancestor.  I would like to add those from one tree into the other without having to enter all the details again.  I look forward to anyone's suggestions.

Many thanks
Clive Barker












Re: How to merge part of a tree

Mike Tate
 

Hi Clive,

Reading between the lines, I guess you have two separate Projects; one for yourself, and one for your wife.

The recurring advice that is often given is that one combined Project is usually far superior.
It avoids the problem you are now facing for all common relatives.
It also often means such relatives are more easily and quickly discovered.
That includes not only common ancestors, as in this case, but also common descendants such as your children and grandchildren.
Having one Project avoids needing to update such common relatives in two Projects.

So the solution to your question depends on whether you wish to continue with two Projects and their parallel updating or to merge them into one composite Project that will be simpler to manage.

Mike Tate

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 15 April 2022 17:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] How to merge part of a tree

Hi

In researching my own and my wife's family trees I have discovered we have a common ancestor. There are a large number of members of the family previous to that ancestor. I would like to add those from one tree into the other without having to enter all the details again. I look forward to anyone's suggestions.

Many thanks
Clive Barker


How to merge part of a tree

Alsatia
 

Hi

In researching my own and my wife's family trees I have discovered we have a common ancestor.  There are a large number of  members of the family previous to that ancestor.  I would like to add those from one tree into the other without having to enter all the details again.  I look forward to anyone's suggestions.

Many thanks
Clive Barker


Re: Create, or edit, reports

Mike Tate
 

I guess you want to change the first sentence:

Raimundo BORGES LEAL Neto, son of Simão BORGES LEAL and Francelina MARIA DE JESUS, (n. 12/01/1896, Picos, +05/05/1970, Brejo Novo).

and swap the parents with the (birth & death) details like this:

Raimundo BORGES LEAL Neto, (n. 12/01/1896, Picos, +05/05/1970, Brejo Novo). Son of Simão BORGES LEAL and Francelina MARIA DE JESUS.

 

Unfortunately, that first sentence is built into FH and cannot be changed by editing the Sentence Templates or any other way I can think of.

 

Regarding name suffixes, the most reliable solution would be to move the Name Suffix field text to the end of the Primary Name field after the surname.

e.g.

Primary Name: Raimundo /Borges Leal/

Name Suffix: Neto

becomes

Primary Name: Raimundo /Borges Leal/ Neto

Name Suffix:

 

That change can easily be performed by a plugin that I could create for you.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of laerciomovel@...
Sent: 15 April 2022 01:15
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Create, or edit, reports

 

Hello, Mike,

Thanks for the attentive and accurate answer. You've got exactly what I meant.

I've been experimenting with the syntax offered in the "Fact types" option. Some of my goals were fully achieved. However, I realize that the narrative strictly follows a chronological order of events, which is reasonable. However, I would like to invert the narrative presentation to something like this:

 

Raimundo BORGES LEAL Neto, (n. 12/01/1896, Picos, +05/05/1970, Brejo Novo). Son of Simão BORGES LEAL and Francelina MARIA DE JESUS...

 

and so on.

 

Is it possible to do this inversion?

And about the suffixes, I achieved to make them appear sometimes, but not everywhere.

Best regards,

Laércio Silva Filho


Re: Create, or edit, reports

Laércio Silva Filho
 

Hello, Victor,

That's a good idea, but I'm working with almost three thousand people!

Laércio SILVA FILHO


Re: Create, or edit, reports

Laércio Silva Filho
 

Hello, Mike,

Thanks for the attentive and accurate answer. You've got exactly what I meant.

I've been experimenting with the syntax offered in the "Fact types" option. Some of my goals were fully achieved. However, I realize that the narrative strictly follows a chronological order of events, which is reasonable. However, I would like to invert the narrative presentation to something like this:
 
Raimundo BORGES LEAL Neto, (n. 12/01/1896, Picos, +05/05/1970, Brejo Novo). Son of Simão BORGES LEAL and Francelina MARIA DE JESUS...
 
and so on.
 
Is it possible to do this inversion?

And about the suffixes, I achieved to make them appear sometimes, but not everywhere.

Best regards,

Laércio Silva Filho


Re: Create, or edit, reports

Mike Tate
 

Hello Laércio,

Please provide a few more details regarding your requirements.

 

a) You can fully define the text produced by each fact. Use the Tools > Fact Types… command, select any fact, and click the Edit… button.

The Sentence Template can be changed to produce more compact text in most cases.

e.g.

Occupation facts to show just the occupation could use just {value}.

Marriage facts could use just Married {spouse/her/him} ({date:ABBREV3}, {_place})

 

b) What exactly do you mean by ‘suffixes’?

Do you mean the Name Suffix: field shown in the Names & Titles dialogue?

There are various Data References with Qualifiers that can display name details.

e.g.

Instead of {individual} use {%CUR_PRIN.NAME:ADORNED_FULL%} to include all name components.

Instead of {spouse/her/him} use {%CUR_PRIN2.NAME:ADORNED_FULL%}

 

c) Please explain what you mean by report layout in two columns.

Do you mean like newspaper columns where the text runs down the lefthand column and then continues in the righthand column before flowing onto the next page?

That is not possible with FH options.

You will have to Save Report As > Word-Processor Document (.RTF) and try using a word-processor but I suspect even that will not be successful.

 

These are quite advanced features of FH, so if you need more advice about the details of such changes then please ask again.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of laerciomovel@...
Sent: 14 April 2022 03:22
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Create, or edit, reports

 

Hello all,

As I approach the viable end of (one of my family branches) inventory, I need to organize the data and prepare a book for publishing. After testing and analyzing all the report options of my FH7, I came to the conclusion that I need to adapt some things. Some examples:

a) Change the descendant narratives' syntax for something more compact like that: Laércio SILVA FILHO (+22/05/1978, Santa Maria, RS, Brasil). Civil Engineer. F. Laércio SILVA. M. Maria das Graças GUERRANTE. Married Flávia MORAES (07/09/2009, Brasília, DF, Brasil).
b) Include the suffixes in all names.
c) Organize the report layout in two columns.

Does can any of these things be done?

Thanks in advance!

Laércio SILVA FILHO


Re: Create, or edit, reports

Victor Markham
 

If you use the narrative report and save it as a word document you can edit all the details to suit your needs

Victor

On 14 Apr 2022, at 07:42, laerciomovel@... wrote:

Hello all,

As I approach the viable end of (one of my family branches) inventory, I need to organize the data and prepare a book for publishing. After testing and analyzing all the report options of my FH7, I came to the conclusion that I need to adapt some things. Some examples:

a) Change the descendant narratives' syntax for something more compact like that: Laércio SILVA FILHO (+22/05/1978, Santa Maria, RS, Brasil). Civil Engineer. F. Laércio SILVA. M. Maria das Graças GUERRANTE. Married Flávia MORAES (07/09/2009, Brasília, DF, Brasil).
b) Include the suffixes in all names.
c) Organize the report layout in two columns.

Does can any of these things be done?

Thanks in advance!

Laércio SILVA FILHO

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