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Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

Jan Murphy
 

Mike,

We're getting a bit far afield from the census, here, so I'll leave information about the draft records in the forum. 

Jan Murphy
Moderator Pro Tempore



On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 3:38 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Thank you for that feedback Jan.

I will incorporate those USA State Census records when I update the plugin to incorporate the UK 1921 Census.

The plugin tries to determine if people are likely to be in the locale of the Census at the time and excludes any others.

e.g. It uses Birth, Marriage, Emigration, Immigration & Death events to determine Place details.

There is also an option to exclude those ‘partial’ State Census records from the search entirely.

Some of the State Census records do not have a precise enumeration date but the plugin copes with that.

 

I looked at the WWI USA Draft Registration Cards on FindMyPast but could not find a specific date, only 1917 to 1918.

FindMyPast only has a few State Draft Registration Cards for WW2 and again either no specific date or several specific registration dates.

So I don’t think it is feasible to include them in this plugin.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jan Murphy
Sent: 24 December 2021 05:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

 

Mike --


I am about to start a fresh FH database while I search for people in the 1921 census and the 1950 US Federal Census.  I have been having computer issues lately so it has been a while since I used FH6 and the Census plugin.  The US has some cases where individual states did their own census, many of which are on years ending in 5.  I don't know if it's worthwhile to have those as part of the Census plugin since the records only apply to a subset of the database (unless one is doing a One Place Study for an individual state).  

 

I agree that it is non-trivial to automate the removal of non-residents.  My husband's family crossed the Atlantic many times, so I need to look for them on both sides of the ocean anyway.  When I make timelines by hand, I sometimes add a line for the appropriate census day, then note they were not present in either England or the US because they were in the US or England on that census day. 

 

For the non-census cases, I was thinking of recordsets like the US Draft Registration cards for WW1 and WW2 which are associated with specific dates. 

 

Jan Murphy


Re: Restore issues

Mike Tate
 

I’m glad you got it sorted, but FH upsetting those letters is very odd.

I would advise you to report it to Calico Pie via their http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php Support Ticket system.

They may ask for a copy of your Backup Zip file.

 

Your points a.) to e.) are crucial whether you have an old PC or a new one.

Backups are essential to protect against all forms of risk.

Any PC or disk drive of any age can fail without notice.

Also consider the risk of fire, flood, theft, power surge, etc…

See FHUG Knowledge Base “Backup and Recovery”:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/backup-and-recovery/

 

Don’t forget to use the ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin to migrate your custom settings before the old PC dies.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of jerebinho@...
Sent: 24 December 2021 09:08
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues

 

I've solved it so I restored the project again from the same folder. First restore changed all č, š, ž letters in the media file names to "(?)" (but only in FH, restore folder kept correct letters). Second restore attempt transferred also č, š, ž and now all media files are visible.
I wish restore on a second/new computer would be an actual "plug & play", but it is not.
I have learned the following:
a.) pray your old computer will not die before you transfer anything to your new computer
b.) keep restore folder on the computer, external drive and USB key (and maybe cloud)
c.) export also only GEDCOM (you never know)
d.) copy only media files to a separate backup folder (you never know)
e.) pray your old computer will not die before you transfer anything to your new computer

Thanks again for all the support to all of you.


Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

Mike Tate
 

Thank you for that feedback Jan.

I will incorporate those USA State Census records when I update the plugin to incorporate the UK 1921 Census.

The plugin tries to determine if people are likely to be in the locale of the Census at the time and excludes any others.

e.g. It uses Birth, Marriage, Emigration, Immigration & Death events to determine Place details.

There is also an option to exclude those ‘partial’ State Census records from the search entirely.

Some of the State Census records do not have a precise enumeration date but the plugin copes with that.

 

I looked at the WWI USA Draft Registration Cards on FindMyPast but could not find a specific date, only 1917 to 1918.

FindMyPast only has a few State Draft Registration Cards for WW2 and again either no specific date or several specific registration dates.

So I don’t think it is feasible to include them in this plugin.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jan Murphy
Sent: 24 December 2021 05:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

 

Mike --


I am about to start a fresh FH database while I search for people in the 1921 census and the 1950 US Federal Census.  I have been having computer issues lately so it has been a while since I used FH6 and the Census plugin.  The US has some cases where individual states did their own census, many of which are on years ending in 5.  I don't know if it's worthwhile to have those as part of the Census plugin since the records only apply to a subset of the database (unless one is doing a One Place Study for an individual state).  

 

I agree that it is non-trivial to automate the removal of non-residents.  My husband's family crossed the Atlantic many times, so I need to look for them on both sides of the ocean anyway.  When I make timelines by hand, I sometimes add a line for the appropriate census day, then note they were not present in either England or the US because they were in the US or England on that census day. 

 

For the non-census cases, I was thinking of recordsets like the US Draft Registration cards for WW1 and WW2 which are associated with specific dates. 

 

Jan Murphy


Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

Paul Reeve
 

An alternative would be to use Family Tree Analyzer to list all who are not in the 1939 register. You can set it to ignore those with an unknown death date, but I find that easier to filter out afterwards. The results can be saved as a csv file

 

Paul

 


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Re: Restore issues

jerebinho@...
 

I've solved it so I restored the project again from the same folder. First restore changed all č, š, ž letters in the media file names to "(?)" (but only in FH, restore folder kept correct letters). Second restore attempt transferred also č, š, ž and now all media files are visible.
I wish restore on a second/new computer would be an actual "plug & play", but it is not.
I have learned the following:
a.) pray your old computer will not die before you transfer anything to your new computer
b.) keep restore folder on the computer, external drive and USB key (and maybe cloud)
c.) export also only GEDCOM (you never know)
d.) copy only media files to a separate backup folder (you never know)
e.) pray your old computer will not die before you transfer anything to your new computer

Thanks again for all the support to all of you.


Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

James Pam
 

Many thanks Mike. Plenty of work to do over Christmas then.
Best wishes everyone and many thanks for all your invaluable help during 2021
--

James 




Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

Jan Murphy
 

Mike --

I am about to start a fresh FH database while I search for people in the 1921 census and the 1950 US Federal Census.  I have been having computer issues lately so it has been a while since I used FH6 and the Census plugin.  The US has some cases where individual states did their own census, many of which are on years ending in 5.  I don't know if it's worthwhile to have those as part of the Census plugin since the records only apply to a subset of the database (unless one is doing a One Place Study for an individual state).  

I agree that it is non-trivial to automate the removal of non-residents.  My husband's family crossed the Atlantic many times, so I need to look for them on both sides of the ocean anyway.  When I make timelines by hand, I sometimes add a line for the appropriate census day, then note they were not present in either England or the US because they were in the US or England on that census day. 

For the non-census cases, I was thinking of recordsets like the US Draft Registration cards for WW1 and WW2 which are associated with specific dates. 

Jan Murphy


On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 1:34 PM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

To move a Result Set to a Named List use the cog menu Add Row Records to Named List…

I hope you can see how difficult it is to automate removing non-residents.

 

Regarding the plugin, are you talking about datasets that are unrelated to Census events?

If you are talking about Census related datasets, which ones are not yet covered?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jan Murphy
Sent: 23 December 2021 20:50
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

 

Mike,


The "Lookup Missing Census Events" plugin has been quite helpful, but there are many datasets for which one might need to run "Estimated Alive At" which are not yet covered by a Plugin. 

 

Could you remind me again, if one has used the 'Estimated Alive At' query, how could we add all the people in the results to a Named List? From there is is easy (although tedious) to delete from the list any persons not likely to be covered by the dataset (not in the right country, not subject to being drafted, etc.)  

 

Jan


Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

Mike Tate
 

To move a Result Set to a Named List use the cog menu Add Row Records to Named List…

I hope you can see how difficult it is to automate removing non-residents.

 

Regarding the plugin, are you talking about datasets that are unrelated to Census events?

If you are talking about Census related datasets, which ones are not yet covered?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jan Murphy
Sent: 23 December 2021 20:50
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

 

Mike,


The "Lookup Missing Census Events" plugin has been quite helpful, but there are many datasets for which one might need to run "Estimated Alive At" which are not yet covered by a Plugin. 

 

Could you remind me again, if one has used the 'Estimated Alive At' query, how could we add all the people in the results to a Named List? From there is is easy (although tedious) to delete from the list any persons not likely to be covered by the dataset (not in the right country, not subject to being drafted, etc.)  

 

Jan


Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

Jan Murphy
 

Mike,

The "Lookup Missing Census Events" plugin has been quite helpful, but there are many datasets for which one might need to run "Estimated Alive At" which are not yet covered by a Plugin. 

Could you remind me again, if one has used the 'Estimated Alive At' query, how could we add all the people in the results to a Named List? From there is is easy (although tedious) to delete from the list any persons not likely to be covered by the dataset (not in the right country, not subject to being drafted, etc.)  

Jan




Jan Murphy
Moderator Pro Tempore



On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 12:16 PM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

James,

It is easy to produce a list of everyone alive on 29 Sep 1939.

Use the standard Query ‘Estimated Alive At’ and select that Date.

 

Testing for those with a UK address gets trickier.

Which of all the facts recorded against a person are you going to use to decide definitely shows they were in the UK in 1939?

That gets very complicated to achieve using a Query.

 

Try the ‘Lookup Missing Census Events’ plugin which reviews all the Census dates including the 1939 UK Register.

It tries to assess all the facts to determine who lived where.

If you sort the search results into date order that will show who is missing from each Census in date order.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of James Pam
Sent: 23 December 2021 18:32
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

 

How do I create a list of all individuals in my project with a UK address who were alive at the time of the 1939 Register/Census? I could then work through the list to ensure that their census information has been recorded.


Re: Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

Mike Tate
 

James,

It is easy to produce a list of everyone alive on 29 Sep 1939.

Use the standard Query ‘Estimated Alive At’ and select that Date.

 

Testing for those with a UK address gets trickier.

Which of all the facts recorded against a person are you going to use to decide definitely shows they were in the UK in 1939?

That gets very complicated to achieve using a Query.

 

Try the ‘Lookup Missing Census Events’ plugin which reviews all the Census dates including the 1939 UK Register.

It tries to assess all the facts to determine who lived where.

If you sort the search results into date order that will show who is missing from each Census in date order.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of James Pam
Sent: 23 December 2021 18:32
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

 

How do I create a list of all individuals in my project with a UK address who were alive at the time of the 1939 Register/Census? I could then work through the list to ensure that their census information has been recorded.


Re: Restore issues

David Ewing
 

Good to know - thank you Mike!


From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Tate <post@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 1:07 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues
 

David, you can safely delete the ThumbCache.dat file as it will get rebuilt when required.

In fact, it is advisable to occasionally delete that file to purge any obsolete thumbnail images.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ewing
Sent: 23 December 2021 19:24
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues

 

I had this problem with FH7 last weekend when I repathed my media files.  There is a cache folder under your project folder, and in it is a file named ThumbCache.dat that apparently stores the thumbnail images.  I renamed the file something like ThumbCache.dat2 and restarted FH.  It immediately began to rebuild and my thumbnails returned.   Depending on how many attachments you have it may take a while (my .dat file is about 470Mb and took about 20 minutes to completely rebuild).

 

If it doesn't rebuild, you can always rename the file back to ThumbCache.dat and you're no worse off than when you started.

 


From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> on behalf of jerebinho@... <jerebinho@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 11:38 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues

 

No end to restore issues...
I found that the program now does not display all media files (pictures, PDFs, etc.). They are all transferred since I see them in the media folder, but the program itself does not display them (seen as a crossed out rectangle). This is really frustrating. I expected I will be able to continue my work on the new computer, but now it seems I will need more time to "normalize" FH than for all other things on the new computer combined.
I really hope this is solvable.


Re: Restore issues

Mike Tate
 

David, you can safely delete the ThumbCache.dat file as it will get rebuilt when required.

In fact, it is advisable to occasionally delete that file to purge any obsolete thumbnail images.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ewing
Sent: 23 December 2021 19:24
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues

 

I had this problem with FH7 last weekend when I repathed my media files.  There is a cache folder under your project folder, and in it is a file named ThumbCache.dat that apparently stores the thumbnail images.  I renamed the file something like ThumbCache.dat2 and restarted FH.  It immediately began to rebuild and my thumbnails returned.   Depending on how many attachments you have it may take a while (my .dat file is about 470Mb and took about 20 minutes to completely rebuild).

 

If it doesn't rebuild, you can always rename the file back to ThumbCache.dat and you're no worse off than when you started.

 


From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> on behalf of jerebinho@... <jerebinho@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 11:38 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues

 

No end to restore issues...
I found that the program now does not display all media files (pictures, PDFs, etc.). They are all transferred since I see them in the media folder, but the program itself does not display them (seen as a crossed out rectangle). This is really frustrating. I expected I will be able to continue my work on the new computer, but now it seems I will need more time to "normalize" FH than for all other things on the new computer combined.
I really hope this is solvable.


Re: Restore issues

Mike Tate
 

If you check the Media records in the Records Window, what style does the File: link box use?

Is it Media\filename.jpg or is it a full file path starting with the drive letter and through all the intermediate folders down to the Media folder and filename?

 

If the latter, then the file path probably still refers to your old PC and is wrong for the new PC.

 

So, use the Tools > External File Links… command and its Auto Repair Links button.

That should convert the absolute long file path to the short relative Media\filename.jpg style.

 

The original problem may be caused by the method you use to add Media files.

In future, check that after adding Media they use the short Media\filename.jpg style.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of jerebinho@...
Sent: 23 December 2021 18:38
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues

 

No end to restore issues...
I found that the program now does not display all media files (pictures, PDFs, etc.). They are all transferred since I see them in the media folder, but the program itself does not display them (seen as a crossed out rectangle). This is really frustrating. I expected I will be able to continue my work on the new computer, but now it seems I will need more time to "normalize" FH than for all other things on the new computer combined.
I really hope this is solvable.


Re: Restore issues

Lorna Craig
 

If you transferred the entire project folder to the new computer and if the media files are indeed present in the Media folder of the project they should display correctly in FH.  

If you use Tools > External File Links a dialog box will open showing the file path(s) where FH is expecting to find the media files.  It should start with Project Data Folder, followed by Media, followed by the list of file names (or possibly sub folders within the Media folder with a list of file names in each sub folder, depending on how how arrange your media).   What does it show?


On 23/12/2021 18:38, jerebinho@... wrote:
No end to restore issues...
I found that the program now does not display all media files (pictures, PDFs, etc.). They are all transferred since I see them in the media folder, but the program itself does not display them (seen as a crossed out rectangle). This is really frustrating. I expected I will be able to continue my work on the new computer, but now it seems I will need more time to "normalize" FH than for all other things on the new computer combined.
I really hope this is solvable.


Re: Restore issues

David Ewing
 

I had this problem with FH7 last weekend when I repathed my media files.  There is a cache folder under your project folder, and in it is a file named ThumbCache.dat that apparently stores the thumbnail images.  I renamed the file something like ThumbCache.dat2 and restarted FH.  It immediately began to rebuild and my thumbnails returned.   Depending on how many attachments you have it may take a while (my .dat file is about 470Mb and took about 20 minutes to completely rebuild).

If it doesn't rebuild, you can always rename the file back to ThumbCache.dat and you're no worse off than when you started.


From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> on behalf of jerebinho@... <jerebinho@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 11:38 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues
 
No end to restore issues...
I found that the program now does not display all media files (pictures, PDFs, etc.). They are all transferred since I see them in the media folder, but the program itself does not display them (seen as a crossed out rectangle). This is really frustrating. I expected I will be able to continue my work on the new computer, but now it seems I will need more time to "normalize" FH than for all other things on the new computer combined.
I really hope this is solvable.


Re: Restore issues

jerebinho@...
 

No end to restore issues...
I found that the program now does not display all media files (pictures, PDFs, etc.). They are all transferred since I see them in the media folder, but the program itself does not display them (seen as a crossed out rectangle). This is really frustrating. I expected I will be able to continue my work on the new computer, but now it seems I will need more time to "normalize" FH than for all other things on the new computer combined.
I really hope this is solvable.


Identify all uk members of my project at time of census

James Pam
 

How do I create a list of all individuals in my project with a UK address who were alive at the time of the 1939 Register/Census? I could then work through the list to ensure that their census information has been recorded.


Re: Restore issues

jerebinho@...
 

Thanks for all the support.


Re: Restore issues

Mike Tate
 

I’m glad you found a way to make it work.

I suspect it may be a file permissions issue, but it is somewhat odd.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of jerebinho@...
Sent: 22 December 2021 20:57
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Restore issues

 

Strangest thing...
I could not restore with a restore folder, which was transferred to the new computer via external hard disk and I also could not restore if I picked the folder directly on the external disk. I even tried to reinstall FH.
I tried to copy the same folder from the old computer to USB key and restore directly from the USB key. And it worked! I don't have an idea why this makes any difference, but it somehow does.


Re: Restore issues

jerebinho@...
 

Strangest thing...
I could not restore with a restore folder, which was transferred to the new computer via external hard disk and I also could not restore if I picked the folder directly on the external disk. I even tried to reinstall FH.
I tried to copy the same folder from the old computer to USB key and restore directly from the USB key. And it worked! I don't have an idea why this makes any difference, but it somehow does.

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