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Re: Date Checker

waltonnz
 

Mike, sorry I hadn't thought of that.
Patricia

On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 23:03, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Yes, but on this open forum the questions and answers go to everyone.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 24 May 2021 11:50
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Date Checker

 

Actually Mike, I think you may have been trying to answer Sue Langabeer who was wanting to find the same plugin.

Patricia

 


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Re: How do I see the full citation

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Yes, if you make a copy of the Source Template Definition you can change the copy (I suggest you remove the original so that you don’t get confused and use the wrong one). That’s the best option if you’ll want to use the same template in multiple projects.  If you only have a single project, you can modify the standard Source Template Record within the project: use View > Other Record Lists > Source Templates from the menu, and double click on the one you want to change. Yu won’t be able to copy the changes you make this way back to a Source Template Definition though.

 

To have the Source Template Records always visible, go to Tools > Preferences and choose the Records Window option in the left hand pane. The set Source Templates to Always show.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Santa Traugott
Sent: 24 May 2021 19:55
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How do I see the full citation

 

I want all of the information that I entered in the Civil Registration Essential Source Template to be displayed in the footnotes.  So far, I can’t make that happen.  The only thing that is displayed in a footnote  is the source title.  I interpreted Mike to say that in order to make the other fields entered in the Source Template display, I would have to change the Source Template definitions.  But it turns out that the Essential Source Template definitions cannot be edited so as to add fields to what is displayed.  Instead, you have to make a copy of the template, and on that copy, you can specify the fields of the Source Template that you want displayed.   

 

But I am so confused now.


Re: How do I see the full citation

Santa Traugott
 

I want all of the information that I entered in the Civil Registration Essential Source Template to be displayed in the footnotes.  So far, I can’t make that happen.  The only thing that is displayed in a footnote  is the source title.  I interpreted Mike to say that in order to make the other fields entered in the Source Template display, I would have to change the Source Template definitions.  But it turns out that the Essential Source Template definitions cannot be edited so as to add fields to what is displayed.  Instead, you have to make a copy of the template, and on that copy, you can specify the fields of the Source Template that you want displayed.   

But I am so confused now.

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 2:17 PM colevalleygirl@... <colevalleygirl@...> wrote:

Sandra, do you actually need to add fields? Or just get the existing fields to show up in the footnote/source list?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Santa Traugott
Sent: 24 May 2021 19:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How do I see the full citation

 

I think that there is a small caveat to the first sentence above.   That is, the Essential Source Template Definitions themselves cannot be edited to add fields.   What I glean from reading the documentation (and experimenting with trying to do it) is that one would have to clone the source template definition, thereby producing a Custom Source Template, which can then be edited to add fields.    Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Producing a set of custom templates that generates footnotes as I want them to be would seem to at least assure consistency in sourcing, as opposed to going the generic sourcing route.  

 


Re: How do I see the full citation

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Sandra, do you actually need to add fields? Or just get the existing fields to show up in the footnote/source list?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Santa Traugott
Sent: 24 May 2021 19:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How do I see the full citation

 

I think that there is a small caveat to the first sentence above.   That is, the Essential Source Template Definitions themselves cannot be edited to add fields.   What I glean from reading the documentation (and experimenting with trying to do it) is that one would have to clone the source template definition, thereby producing a Custom Source Template, which can then be edited to add fields.    Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Producing a set of custom templates that generates footnotes as I want them to be would seem to at least assure consistency in sourcing, as opposed to going the generic sourcing route.  

 


Re: How do I see the full citation

Santa Traugott
 

I think that there is a small caveat to the first sentence above.   That is, the Essential Source Template Definitions themselves cannot be edited to add fields.   What I glean from reading the documentation (and experimenting with trying to do it) is that one would have to clone the source template definition, thereby producing a Custom Source Template, which can then be edited to add fields.    Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.

Producing a set of custom templates that generates footnotes as I want them to be would seem to at least assure consistency in sourcing, as opposed to going the generic sourcing route.  

 


Re: How do I see the full citation

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

The source template will produce footnotes and source list entries with as many or as few of the sources fields if you want, if you don't like the settings the programme comes with initially. By default, the reporistory is included if you have specified one.

Mike's second suggestion is more appropriate for recording the content of the source, not identifying it.


Re: How do I see the full citation

Santa Traugott
 

Thanks for your reply, Mike.

If I understand you correctly, the Source template won’t produce footnotes, or bibliographic information with more than the source title, unless I follow one of the two options you provided.  Or, return to generic sourcing.

What I still don’t understand is, why is information like URL and repository entered into the Source Template at all, if it’s not to be used to generate a full citation for published reports, but instead has to be copied or re-entered into the text field?  It just seems like it must be used somehow.  


Re: Date Checker

Sue Langabeer
 

Many thanks for that Mike

On 24 May 2021 at 10:26 Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Bill is in USA and fast asleep just now.

Published Plugins are in the FH online Plugin Store.

Use Tools > Plugins… and click the Plugin Store… button.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Plugins’ for details:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-plugins/

 

Mike Tate

 


 


 


Re: Date Checker

Mike Tate
 

Yes, but on this open forum the questions and answers go to everyone.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 24 May 2021 11:50
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Date Checker

 

Actually Mike, I think you may have been trying to answer Sue Langabeer who was wanting to find the same plugin.

Patricia

 

On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 21:26, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Bill is in USA and fast asleep just now.

Published Plugins are in the FH online Plugin Store.

Use Tools > Plugins… and click the Plugin Store… button.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Plugins’ for details:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-plugins/

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Date Checker

waltonnz
 

Actually Mike, I think you may have been trying to answer Sue Langabeer who was wanting to find the same plugin.
Patricia

On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 21:26, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Bill is in USA and fast asleep just now.

Published Plugins are in the FH online Plugin Store.

Use Tools > Plugins… and click the Plugin Store… button.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Plugins’ for details:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-plugins/

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Date Checker

waltonnz
 

Thank you Mike. I'm in NZ and just heading off for my bed. I did know how to download the plugins, just not if there was one available for what I needed. The one Bill recommended found many errors in my very large database. The query, as recommended by you has also found many discrepancies. I'm grateful to you both for your help.
Patricia

On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 21:26, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Bill is in USA and fast asleep just now.

Published Plugins are in the FH online Plugin Store.

Use Tools > Plugins… and click the Plugin Store… button.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Plugins’ for details:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-plugins/

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Date Checker

waltonnz
 

Thank you Mike, that's very handy to know.
Patricia

On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 21:01, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Specifically aimed at dates, there is the standard Query ‘Fact Date Warnings’.

 


Re: Date Checker

Mike Tate
 

Bill is in USA and fast asleep just now.

Published Plugins are in the FH online Plugin Store.

Use Tools > Plugins… and click the Plugin Store… button.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Plugins’ for details:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-plugins/

 

Mike Tate

 


Date Checker

Sue Langabeer
 

Hello Bill,  I am really new to this - where would I find this plug in - I have Family Historian 7  -  sorry to bother you

On 23 May 2021 at 23:01 BillH <bhtemp99@...> wrote:

Patricia,

The plugin Show Project Statistics will show you statistics about your project as well as detect and report all types of errors.

Bill

On May 23 2021, at 02:43 PM waltonnz wrote:

Is there such a thing as a plugin that will detect incorrect dates? For example I've just found an individual on my database with a birth date of 1922 and a death date of 1022, obviously a typo error on my part. There are probably others and I'd like to detect them if possible.
Patricia


 


 


Re: Date Checker

Mike Tate
 

Specifically aimed at dates, there is the standard Query ‘Fact Date Warnings’.

 


Re: Date Checker

waltonnz
 

Thank you, I have found and installed it - just what I needed.
Patricia

On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 10:01, BillH <bhtemp99@...> wrote:
Patricia,

The plugin Show Project Statistics will show you statistics about your project as well as detect and report all types of errors.

Bill

On May 23 2021, at 02:43 PM waltonnz wrote:

Is there such a thing as a plugin that will detect incorrect dates? For example I've just found an individual on my database with a birth date of 1922 and a death date of 1022, obviously a typo error on my part. There are probably others and I'd like to detect them if possible.
Patricia


Re: Date Checker

BillH
 

Patricia,

The plugin Show Project Statistics will show you statistics about your project as well as detect and report all types of errors.

Bill

On May 23 2021, at 02:43 PM waltonnz wrote:

Is there such a thing as a plugin that will detect incorrect dates? For example I've just found an individual on my database with a birth date of 1922 and a death date of 1022, obviously a typo error on my part. There are probably others and I'd like to detect them if possible.
Patricia


Date Checker

waltonnz
 

Is there such a thing as a plugin that will detect incorrect dates? For example I've just found an individual on my database with a birth date of 1922 and a death date of 1022, obviously a typo error on my part. There are probably others and I'd like to detect them if possible.
Patricia


Re: How do I see the full citation

Mike Tate
 

That is the way it works with templated Sources.

There are two ways to add more information to the Sources section of Reports.

  1. Change the Footnote Format template in the Source Template definition to include more Fields.
  2. Add information to the Text from Source, Notes or Media tabs of the Source Citation and enable those in the Report > Options > Sources tab.

 

 


How do I see the full citation

Santa Traugott
 

I am just learning to use templated citations in v7 (Essential rather than Advanced.)   Using the source pane, I just prepared a citation for a birth certificate from Cook County, ILL.  I started off by selecting "Civil Certificate" from the Create Source from Template option.  

I filled in all the fields, including Certificate number, collection identification  [ Illinois, Cook County, Birth Certificates, 1871-1949], URL.  But the only thing that appears when I publish a report to see what it looks like, is "Birth Certificate of James Wilson Smith, August 27, 1912."  This is the text for both the footnote and the bibliography page.  I went into the Report Options box, tab for sources, and  Whole Citation is checked.  

I  am missing something elementary, I know, but how do I see the full source citation?  Or is the "Birth Certificate of James Wilson Smith, August 27, 1912" the citation (although the certificate number is missing) , and I need to be asking how to publish the full source?

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