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Re: ADMIN - Online Repository Assistant
@BobH1
Just to point out to those interested, that ORA does have an active discussion group at ORA-L on Google.Groups.com. There are several helpful and knowledgeable members on that group including ORA’s author John Cardinal. BobH
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Ros
Sent: 02 July 2020 09:28 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: [family-historian] ADMIN - Online Repository Assistant
Please remember this list is for Family Historian. We do realise ORA can be used along side it, but detailed discussions of how to use it is off topic for this list.
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Robert
This works for one Qtr [Registration Quarter:replace:Q4:Dec], but how do I look for the other three as well?
On Thursday, 2 July 2020, 10:17:05 BST, Robert Lund <lundr2001@...> wrote:
Learnt a bit more more, now my script looks like: {FAST}[Registration Quarter] [Registration Year]{Tab}{DOWN*4}{Tab}[Registration Year] [Registration Quarter] in [District:uppercase] Volume [Volume:lowercase] Page [Page]{Tab}Mother [Mother's Maiden Surname:uppercase] Changed how fast the data is entered into the form, and Changed mother's name and District to all uppercase - this is how I like it. The only thing I'm now stuck on, is changing the Registration Quarter from Q4 to Dec? Output now looks like: Q4 1878 Secondary evidence 1878 Q4 in KENDAL Volume 10b Page 699 (I would prefer it to be 1878 Dec in KENDAL Volume 10b Page 699 Mother SCOTT Hope this helps Rob
On Thursday, 2 July 2020, 09:31:54 BST, Robert via groups.io <lundr2001@...> wrote:
There is a {PAUSE} key Patricia, that might work. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 09:18, waltonnz <walton.patricia@...> wrote:
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
waltonnz
Thank you Robert. Sorry Ros I take your point about this being a Family Historian list. In a way the conversation has been relevant as we're trying to determine how to use Ora with FH and the video I referred to was using FH to insert Auto Type. Patricia
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Robert
Learnt a bit more more, now my script looks like: {FAST}[Registration Quarter] [Registration Year]{Tab}{DOWN*4}{Tab}[Registration Year] [Registration Quarter] in [District:uppercase] Volume [Volume:lowercase] Page [Page]{Tab}Mother [Mother's Maiden Surname:uppercase] Changed how fast the data is entered into the form, and Changed mother's name and District to all uppercase - this is how I like it. The only thing I'm now stuck on, is changing the Registration Quarter from Q4 to Dec? Output now looks like: Q4 1878 Secondary evidence 1878 Q4 in KENDAL Volume 10b Page 699 (I would prefer it to be 1878 Dec in KENDAL Volume 10b Page 699 Mother SCOTT Hope this helps Rob
On Thursday, 2 July 2020, 09:31:54 BST, Robert via groups.io <lundr2001@...> wrote:
There is a {PAUSE} key Patricia, that might work. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 09:18, waltonnz <walton.patricia@...> wrote:
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Robert
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ADMIN - Online Repository Assistant
Ros
Please remember this list is for Family Historian. We do realise ORA can be used along side it, but detailed discussions of how to use it is off topic for this list.
Please consider setting up your own list or using the General forum at FHUG if you would like to consider discussing the program and programs author does not provide a forum or list for the program.
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
waltonnz
Thank you, that's a good idea. But, I think you can stop the auto text and receive a prompt as there's a video from Chris online showing it done. At least that's what it looks like to me. It doesn't show the template though so I don't know how she does it. Patricia
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Robert
Also, I have now realised that I can use {DOWN*4} instead of {DOWN} {DOWN} {DOWN} {DOWN}!
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On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 06:32, Robert via groups.io <lundr2001@...> wrote:
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Robert
Great Ron. Incidentally, I got that from the ORA website, can’t remember what page, but here is the pdf with other commands that you may find useful.
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Robert
I don’t think that the script allows you pause during execution. I chose the Secondary evidence option because that is what I normally use for this type of entry. If you need to leave it at it’s default of no selection, and enter your own selection after the script has finished, then just take out the {DOWN} instructions.
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Ron Chapman
Great Ive learnt a new thing from you {DOWN} Ta, Ron
On 1 Jul 2020, at 19:48, Robert via groups.io <lundr2001@...> wrote:
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Re: Online Repository Assistant
Ron Chapman
On 30/06/2020 23:
Using ORA for entering data from Workhouse Records into Family Historian. This is my first attempt and it seems to work. I will do more testing soon. Find My Past have a fine set Workhouse records for Liverpool amongst many others. My ancestor Charles William Thornton was in and out of the many Workhouses / Hospitals in Liverpool over many years. From this I found that different registers exist. For instance the Creed Registers, the Index To Admission, Discharge And Religious Creed Register, the Admissions & Discharges (Religious Creed Register), the Admissions Register, Register Of Children etc. Each of these books has its columns organised in a different way with differing information. Find my Past have images attached of the register. Find My Past has an index that shows a few of the details. For instance First Name(s), Last Name, Year, Age, Birth Year, Place, but not much more. It is this data that ORA extracts. (Plus source and citation details) It misses information such as creed, Married or Single, Calling (Occupation), By whose order Admitted, Parish from which sent, Disease, Date Admitted, Date Discharged to where, Ward, Street or Court from whence brought, Address of Friends for example. So ORA will catch none of this. So I see the main use for ORA with Workhouse records is to get ORA to set up Automatic Source and Citation and then use this to enter the other details by hand as usual, one by one. To set up an Auto Type Template for Source use the following – Reminder: Source – Go to Add in Main menu and in the drop down list select Source ... In the property box place the cursor in the title box. Press the Auto Text button 1 and the boxes will auto fill. You will still have to add the repository by hand. Find My Past in this case. Template: Source – [Register type], [Record set], [Institution], [Place], [County], [Country]{TAB}[Category], [Subcategory]{TAB}[Register type] of [Institution]{TAB}[Archive]{TAB}{TAB}[Register type], [Records year range], [Archive reference], [Record ID], [Page.URL] To set up an Auto Type Template for Citation use the following – Reminder: Citation – Open the Automatic Source Citation panel. Click in the Source box to place the cursor there and then click on the Auto Text button 2 and the boxes will auto fill. You will still have to add your Assessment. When you have navigated to the person you wish to add the workhouse information to then enable the Automatic Source Citation. Template: Citation – [Register type], [Record set], [Institution], [Place], [County], [Country]{TAB}{TAB}{TAB}{TAB}{TAB}{TAB}{TAB}[Page.Access Date]{TAB}{TAB}[Page.Title], [Page.URL]{TAB}<Record set: [Record set]><, Register type: [Register type]><, Institution: [Institution]><, Place: [Place], [County]><, Year: [Year]><, First name(s): [First name(s)]><, Last name: [Last name]><, Age: [Age]><, Birth year: [Birth year]> Not everyone requires that degree of detail so modify it to suit your needs. I created two attributes called Workhouse and Hospital in Family Historian. (In my case the first institute he was in was called a Hospital not a Workhouse) In Family Historian add the appropriate attribute to your subject. To set up an Auto Type Template for Hospital/Workhouse use the following – Reminder: Hospital/Workhouse – Open the Hospital or Workhouse attribute. (If necessary create them.) Click in the Hospital/Workhouse box to place the cursor there and then click on the Auto Text button 3 and the boxes will auto fill. You will still have to add any notes that you will require. Template: Hospital/Workhouse – [Institution]{TAB}[Year]{TAB}<[Age]>{TAB}[Institution]<, [Place]><, [County]><, [Country]>
Whilst the auto citation is still working, add Occupation, Disease, Next of Kin etc. When you have finished do not forget to disable Auto Source Citations. A bit rambling but I hope this helps. Ron
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
waltonnz
I think I've worked it out. The Registration Quarter and year went into Entry Date, then tab down to Assessment and choose Secondary Evidence, then tab to Where Within Source and enter Registration Year in Reg District Volume and and Page numbers, then tab to Text From Source and enter Mother's maiden name. If I'm right I've just one question. How would you cause the auto type to stop at Assessment and allow you to choose another option? It all sounds very exciting. Thank you for sharing. Patricia
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Re: Recording a Court Martial
Adrian Bruce
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 19:12, Edward Sneithe via groups.io
<truthfor16=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: ... That's not my interpretation. The INDIVIDUAL_EVENT_STRUCTURE is basically unchanged between 5.5 and 5.5.1 - except for the removal of the "Y" option on most event types (the one that says, "Yes, this event did occur even if I have no further details") The generic EVEN type of event is for user defined event-types and that does have a subordinate element TYPE that might look like a value - but that's the type of user event rather than a value (fine line though it might be). So it might say that something was a promotion but not the grade of post - not sure that's a good example, mind. Indeed, TYPE can actually refine the meaning of standard GEDCOM event types. (TYPE is actually part of EVENT_DETAIL). This is in both 5.5 and 5.5.1. In reality, of course, there *should* be optional values on events - e.g. in English, inheriting something is an event, but it should have an optional value describing the inheritance. But GEDCOM isn't there. Adrian PS - my reply crossed with Mike's
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Re: Recording a Court Martial
Sorry, but you have misunderstood on several counts. Firstly, FH abides by the GEDCOM 5.5 standard and not 5.5.1. Secondly, it was made clear that Events (e.g. Birth, Marriage, Death) do NOT allow a value, whereas Attributes (e.g. Occupation, Education, Religion) do allow a value. We don’t know exactly what will be in FH V7 but it is unlikely to change that distinction between Events and Attributes internally. It is true that several products have chosen not to differentiate between Events and Attributes regarding values but whether that is due to GEDCOM 5.5.1 is not clear, especially as many such products do not support other 5.5.1 features.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 01 July 2020 17:59 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Recording a Court Martial
I was intrigue by this discussion and if I have interpreted it correctly the GEDCOM standard 5.5.1. allows a value with an event. If this is FH's understanding also does anyone know if that will be included in V7?
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Re: Online Repository Assistant.
Robert
Just input this Auto Type for GRO Birth Index Source Citation. It works well so far! [Registration Quarter] [Registration Year]{Tab}{DOWN}{DOWN}{DOWN}{DOWN}{Tab}[Registration Year] [Registration Quarter] in [District] Volume [Volume] Page [Page]{Tab}Mother [Mother's Maiden Surname] Robert
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Re: Recording a Court Martial
Edward Sneithe
I was intrigue by this discussion and if I have interpreted it correctly the GEDCOM standard 5.5.1. allows a value with an event. If this is FH's understanding also does anyone know if that will be included in V7?
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Re: Recording a Court Martial
Sheila Bryant
Ahh - got it!! Wasn't on the right wavelength at all there. It's all just the way I'd like it to be now, plus I've learned a whole lot. Thank you for patience and the lovely clear explanation. I think your work here is done :-)
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 14:33, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:
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Re: Recording a Court Martial
In the Property Box where a Court Martial fact has been added to the Facts tab, you must use the All tab to reach the Cause field.
You use the Property Box to alter each of the instances of the Court Martial fact, i.e. its Cause field value.
You use Tools > Fact Types to Edit the one Fact Definition that determines how those Court Martial facts are presented in Reports, etc, i.e. by using the {cause} code.
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Sheila Bryant
Sent: 01 July 2020 13:52 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Recording a Court Martial
That sounds like what I'd like to do. I'm afraid I'm being a bit slow here. Where should I be to right-click the Fact Name? So far I've only been given the option to 'Edit' it. Clearly I'm missing something here.......
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 13:24, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:
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Re: Recording a Court Martial
Sheila Bryant
That sounds like what I'd like to do. I'm afraid I'm being a bit slow here. Where should I be to right-click the Fact Name? So far I've only been given the option to 'Edit' it. Clearly I'm missing something here.......
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 13:24, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:
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