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Re: Hints from FMP not showing in the Web search window

Pauline Parnell
 

I’m having the same problem. I’m not sure when it started because I’ve been on holiday. I’m also finding it very difficult to close the window. I wondered if it might be related to having FMP open in chrome at the same time, although that never used to make a difference.
Pauline 


Re: Hints from FMP not showing in the Web search window

Mike Tate
 

John,

Did you follow the advice I suggested in https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:internet_data_matches especially regarding Internet Explorer and the Write Reg IE Shell Version Plugin that exactly matches your description and can sometimes happen after a Windows Update?

Regards, Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of saruman via Groups.Io
Sent: 05 February 2020 08:34
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Hints from FMP not showing in the Web search window

 

Hi Mike, thanks for the reply. I was only guessing at the cause of the problem, as on the 15th Jan, Microsoft downloaded a new version of Edge that is now based on the Chrome Browser. I just wondered if that had caused the problem. 
It is weird as it has been working well for a very long time, but just recently it has stopped working and only shows a blank page. If I open in an external browser , that works fine......strange?

regards John

 


Re: Hints from FMP not showing in the Web search window

formatc51@...
 

Hi Mike, thanks for the reply. I was only guessing at the cause of the problem, as on the 15th Jan, Microsoft downloaded a new version of Edge that is now based on the Chrome Browser. I just wondered if that had caused the problem. 
It is weird as it has been working well for a very long time, but just recently it has stopped working and only shows a blank page. If I open in an external browser , that works fine......strange?

regards John


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

Mike Tate
 

Mute Topic just stops you receiving Emails for replies to that topic.

It does not close the topic nor prevent others from continuing to reply.

Maybe a moderator can inhibit replies.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Potter via Groups.Io
Sent: 04 February 2020 20:31
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

See – Mute Topic at the bottom of each email reply.

 

Sorry Mike – must have the last word 😊

 

Kind regards

 

David Charles Potter

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 04 February 2020 20:22
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

Just stop replying!

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Potter via Groups.Io
Sent: 04 February 2020 20:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

How to Close a Topic? Perhaps a moderator could advise best practice?

Thanks once again.


Re: Reinstall question

Mike Tate
 

Joe,

Sorry, but if you are going to question every single bit of advice, this is going to take a looooong time.

Please read the Installation Advice in the Knowledge Base.

Mike

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Levine
Sent: 04 February 2020 21:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

Mike,

     I have one more question.  I thought I’d have to install FH 5 and then do the upgrade to v6.  If I understand the instructions correctly, I should just run the upgrade program alone and then put in both product keys.  Is that latter understanding correct?

Thanks,

Joe

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 2:59 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

Hi Joe,

There is advice on that topic in the FHUG Knowledge Base Family Historian Installation Advice:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:reinstall_family_historian

I suggest you join the FHUG https://www.fhug.org.uk/ that is free and has free resources, forums, downloads, etc.

 

FH V6.2.5 is NOT the latest version, so I strongly advise you update to the free FH V6.2.7 before anything else.

Also make sure you have backups of your FH Projects and anything else on the PC that is valuable.

Don’t forget to run the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings Plugin, otherwise you may lose all your customisations of Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, Property Box tabs, Icons, etc, etc.

 

You only need your FH V6.0.0 Upgrade disk and the Licence Registration Keys for both V5 and V6 as explained in the Installation Advice above.

Then you can update to the latest free FH V6.2.7 download.

 

BTW: Are you using the Windows 10 free update technique? Don’t buy a Windows 10 licence.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Levine
Sent: 04 February 2020 18:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

            I am currently using Family Historian 6.2.5 on a Windows 7 PC.  I need to do an install of Windows 10 that will eliminate my programs/apps.  So, I will need to reinstall FH.  I have my FH 5 disk and the FH 6.0.0 Upgrade disk.  Will I be able to get set on on Windows 10 by using them sequentially and then doing the online upgrades?  If not, what do I need to do?

Joe

 


Re: Reinstall question

Mike Tate
 

Hoe,

This Email list is a replacement for the Rootsweb mail list, both run by Simon Orde of Calico Pie.

Neither are anything to do with the FHUG website, so I advise you stick with the FHUG and ask your questions there.

 

The FH File > Backup/Restore commands only backup Projects and do NOT backup your customisations.

So download the ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ Plugin from the FH Plugin Store.

It is best to update to FH V6.2.7 and run the Plugin before installing Windows 10.

Then afterwards when you install FH and update to FH V6.2.7 the backups will be compatible.

 

Have you gone to the https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 website to Create Windows 10 installation media?

That is the technique that reliably works for free.

 

But this discussion would be much easier in the FHUG Forums.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Levine
Sent: 04 February 2020 20:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

Thanks Mike,

     I do belong to the FHUG. That was how I landed here. I thought it switched over.   I have a few questions.  Is there any need for me to upgrade FH before switching to Windows 10?  I don’t think I have a “Backup and Restore…” plug-in, bur anytime I make changes I use the regular [I thought built-in] “Backup and Restore…” selecting to Full Project option.  Is that the same thing?  As far as Windows 10 goes, I had a few failed upgrade attempts alone, a couple with a computer consultant/tech friend and one each with two Microsoft techs2 on the phone.  One said I’d need to purchase a Product key for full  use once upgraded [but never happened] while the other thought not. So, I think I’ve tried the technique to which you’re referring but I’m not sure. 

Joe

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 2:59 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

Hi Joe,

There is advice on that topic in the FHUG Knowledge Base Family Historian Installation Advice:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:reinstall_family_historian

I suggest you join the FHUG https://www.fhug.org.uk/ that is free and has free resources, forums, downloads, etc.

 

FH V6.2.5 is NOT the latest version, so I strongly advise you update to the free FH V6.2.7 before anything else.

Also make sure you have backups of your FH Projects and anything else on the PC that is valuable.

Don’t forget to run the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings Plugin, otherwise you may lose all your customisations of Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, Property Box tabs, Icons, etc, etc.

 

You only need your FH V6.0.0 Upgrade disk and the Licence Registration Keys for both V5 and V6 as explained in the Installation Advice above.

Then you can update to the latest free FH V6.2.7 download.

 

BTW: Are you using the Windows 10 free update technique? Don’t buy a Windows 10 licence.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Levine
Sent: 04 February 2020 18:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

            I am currently using Family Historian 6.2.5 on a Windows 7 PC.  I need to do an install of Windows 10 that will eliminate my programs/apps.  So, I will need to reinstall FH.  I have my FH 5 disk and the FH 6.0.0 Upgrade disk.  Will I be able to get set on on Windows 10 by using them sequentially and then doing the online upgrades?  If not, what do I need to do?

Joe

 


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

David Potter
 

See – Mute Topic at the bottom of each email reply.

 

Sorry Mike – must have the last word 😊

 

Kind regards

 

David Charles Potter

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 04 February 2020 20:22
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

Just stop replying!

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Potter via Groups.Io
Sent: 04 February 2020 20:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

How to Close a Topic? Perhaps a moderator could advise best practice?

Thanks once again.


Re: Reinstall question

Joseph Levine
 

Mike,

     I have one more question.  I thought I’d have to install FH 5 and then do the upgrade to v6.  If I understand the instructions correctly, I should just run the upgrade program alone and then put in both product keys.  Is that latter understanding correct?

Thanks,

Joe

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 2:59 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

Hi Joe,

There is advice on that topic in the FHUG Knowledge Base Family Historian Installation Advice:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:reinstall_family_historian

I suggest you join the FHUG https://www.fhug.org.uk/ that is free and has free resources, forums, downloads, etc.

 

FH V6.2.5 is NOT the latest version, so I strongly advise you update to the free FH V6.2.7 before anything else.

Also make sure you have backups of your FH Projects and anything else on the PC that is valuable.

Don’t forget to run the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings Plugin, otherwise you may lose all your customisations of Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, Property Box tabs, Icons, etc, etc.

 

You only need your FH V6.0.0 Upgrade disk and the Licence Registration Keys for both V5 and V6 as explained in the Installation Advice above.

Then you can update to the latest free FH V6.2.7 download.

 

BTW: Are you using the Windows 10 free update technique? Don’t buy a Windows 10 licence.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Levine
Sent: 04 February 2020 18:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

            I am currently using Family Historian 6.2.5 on a Windows 7 PC.  I need to do an install of Windows 10 that will eliminate my programs/apps.  So, I will need to reinstall FH.  I have my FH 5 disk and the FH 6.0.0 Upgrade disk.  Will I be able to get set on on Windows 10 by using them sequentially and then doing the online upgrades?  If not, what do I need to do?

Joe

 


Re: Reinstall question

Joseph Levine
 

Thanks Mike,

     I do belong to the FHUG. That was how I landed here. I thought it switched over.   I have a few questions.  Is there any need for me to upgrade FH before switching to Windows 10?  I don’t think I have a “Backup and Restore…” plug-in, bur anytime I make changes I use the regular [I thought built-in] “Backup and Restore…” selecting to Full Project option.  Is that the same thing?  As far as Windows 10 goes, I had a few failed upgrade attempts alone, a couple with a computer consultant/tech friend and one each with two Microsoft techs2 on the phone.  One said I’d need to purchase a Product key for full  use once upgraded [but never happened] while the other thought not. So, I think I’ve tried the technique to which you’re referring but I’m not sure. 

Joe

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 2:59 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

Hi Joe,

There is advice on that topic in the FHUG Knowledge Base Family Historian Installation Advice:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:reinstall_family_historian

I suggest you join the FHUG https://www.fhug.org.uk/ that is free and has free resources, forums, downloads, etc.

 

FH V6.2.5 is NOT the latest version, so I strongly advise you update to the free FH V6.2.7 before anything else.

Also make sure you have backups of your FH Projects and anything else on the PC that is valuable.

Don’t forget to run the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings Plugin, otherwise you may lose all your customisations of Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, Property Box tabs, Icons, etc, etc.

 

You only need your FH V6.0.0 Upgrade disk and the Licence Registration Keys for both V5 and V6 as explained in the Installation Advice above.

Then you can update to the latest free FH V6.2.7 download.

 

BTW: Are you using the Windows 10 free update technique? Don’t buy a Windows 10 licence.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Levine
Sent: 04 February 2020 18:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

            I am currently using Family Historian 6.2.5 on a Windows 7 PC.  I need to do an install of Windows 10 that will eliminate my programs/apps.  So, I will need to reinstall FH.  I have my FH 5 disk and the FH 6.0.0 Upgrade disk.  Will I be able to get set on on Windows 10 by using them sequentially and then doing the online upgrades?  If not, what do I need to do?

Joe

 


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

Mike Tate
 

Just stop replying!

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Potter via Groups.Io
Sent: 04 February 2020 20:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

How to Close a Topic? Perhaps a moderator could advise best practice?

Thanks once again.


Re: Hints from FMP not showing in the Web search window

Mike Tate
 

John, I am not seeing any problem.

The FH Web Search Window is not impacted by Microsoft Edge in any way.

It is only related to Internet Explorer.

Checkout the FHUG Knowledge Base advice on Internet Data Matches:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:internet_data_matches

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of saruman via Groups.Io
Sent: 04 February 2020 18:10
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Hints from FMP not showing in the Web search window

 

Hi, This used to work perfectly, but recently when clicking on a link, all I get is a blank page in the web search window. I am wondering if something has happened since the NEW Microsoft Edge was released. Has anybody else had this problem. I am using FH V6.2.7 on Windows 10

regards
John


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

David Potter
 

How to Close a Topic? Perhaps a moderator could advise best practice?

Thanks once again.


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

David Potter
 

Well thank you everyone who contributed towards my question. I did not expect such a good response and some of the experiences and knowledge shared was excellent. I decided not to reply to everyone as I didn't know it comes around to the whole Group/Thread each time and is not a personal reply. It certainly helped answer my question and provided advice as to how to better handle this topic going forward.

Thank you all once again - what an excellent Forum


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

George Davis
 

Interesting thread.  My wife’s grandmother is challenging. 

Her date of birth inferred from various census years is as follows:

 

1900: Sep 1895 (month and year reported in this census)

1910: I am unable to find her

1920: 1892

1930: 1896

1940: 1899
(1920 to 1940 calculated from date at last birthday on date of the census)

 

1942 Application for social security number lists the dob as 10 October 1897, as well as place of birth, maiden name of mother, and name of father in addition to other information.  She appears to have signed this document, although the signature for the first name and the middle and last names appear to have been signed by two different hands.

 

1983 SSDI lists date of birth as 28 August 1895.  Social security number on the application for a social security number and the SSDI are identical so I am sure they are for the same individual.  My wife’s family report that this is when they traditionally celebrated her birthday.

 

I have been using the 1942 application for a social security number as the preferred and hopefully most accurate because it is the one source where she likely reported the information.  I believe that the data for the SSDI is from the certificate of death, reported by a survivor.  Apparently the Social Security Administration does not verify the information reported at death.  

 

I am now beginning to thank that the September 1895 reported by one of her parents in 1900 might be the best date.

 

Cheers,

 

George

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Julia Vokes
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 1:02 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

Following on from David’s comments I would like to make an observation about marriage in the 1990’s when I married in a Methodist Church.  The minister asked my husband and I to produce ID which was easy as we had passports.  With regards to occupation he took our word for it and the same for name of father.  My father had died but I wasn’t asked for proof of this.

In my research I have several instances where either the bride or groom has invented a father, conveniently deceased, upon marriage to give a veneer of respectability and disguise the fact that they were illegitimate.

Regards

Julia 


On 4 Feb 2020, at 14:59, "uhkh3tsccmz9@..." <uhkh3tsccmz9@...> wrote:

There is of course another problem with birth certificates (at least historically)

When I was trying to track down a possible relative who might have been "adopted out", I was looking for a birth registration under a number of possible names (and having found it and no further records for that name I was planning to buy a copy of the certificate to see if it was marked "adopted").

This led to an interesting email correspondence with one of my local registrars about "historic practices". In essence (at least in the 1950s) a woman could walk in to a registry office, claim to be Jane Doe wishing to register the birth of Joe Doe, claim to be married and give her maiden name as Smith - and a Birth Certificate would be issued without further questions or requests for evidence of proof of identity, marriage or even of the child's existence.

What is the current practice for proof during registration?

  • Deaths: When (in the last 2 decades) registering my parent's deaths, the only evidence produced was the doctor's formal letter - everything else was taken on trust.
  • Marriages: The claimed people are at least there, but as a witness (signing the register in the 1980's) I was not asked for any proof of identity
  • Births:?

David


Re: Reinstall question

Mike Tate
 

Hi Joe,

There is advice on that topic in the FHUG Knowledge Base Family Historian Installation Advice:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:reinstall_family_historian

I suggest you join the FHUG https://www.fhug.org.uk/ that is free and has free resources, forums, downloads, etc.

 

FH V6.2.5 is NOT the latest version, so I strongly advise you update to the free FH V6.2.7 before anything else.

Also make sure you have backups of your FH Projects and anything else on the PC that is valuable.

Don’t forget to run the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings Plugin, otherwise you may lose all your customisations of Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, Property Box tabs, Icons, etc, etc.

 

You only need your FH V6.0.0 Upgrade disk and the Licence Registration Keys for both V5 and V6 as explained in the Installation Advice above.

Then you can update to the latest free FH V6.2.7 download.

 

BTW: Are you using the Windows 10 free update technique? Don’t buy a Windows 10 licence.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Levine
Sent: 04 February 2020 18:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Reinstall question

 

            I am currently using Family Historian 6.2.5 on a Windows 7 PC.  I need to do an install of Windows 10 that will eliminate my programs/apps.  So, I will need to reinstall FH.  I have my FH 5 disk and the FH 6.0.0 Upgrade disk.  Will I be able to get set on on Windows 10 by using them sequentially and then doing the online upgrades?  If not, what do I need to do?

Joe

 


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

David Potter
 

Thank you Robert, I can relate to practically all of your examples. Thank you for such an entertaining read.


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

David Potter
 

Hi John. I made a similar error myself when registering our first son's Birth. I put the wrong place of Birth for his mother.


Reinstall question

Joseph Levine
 

            I am currently using Family Historian 6.2.5 on a Windows 7 PC.  I need to do an install of Windows 10 that will eliminate my programs/apps.  So, I will need to reinstall FH.  I have my FH 5 disk and the FH 6.0.0 Upgrade disk.  Will I be able to get set on on Windows 10 by using them sequentially and then doing the online upgrades?  If not, what do I need to do?

Joe

 

 


Hints from FMP not showing in the Web search window

formatc51@...
 

Hi, This used to work perfectly, but recently when clicking on a link, all I get is a blank page in the web search window. I am wondering if something has happened since the NEW Microsoft Edge was released. Has anybody else had this problem. I am using FH V6.2.7 on Windows 10

regards
John


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

Julia Vokes
 

Following on from David’s comments I would like to make an observation about marriage in the 1990’s when I married in a Methodist Church.  The minister asked my husband and I to produce ID which was easy as we had passports.  With regards to occupation he took our word for it and the same for name of father.  My father had died but I wasn’t asked for proof of this.
In my research I have several instances where either the bride or groom has invented a father, conveniently deceased, upon marriage to give a veneer of respectability and disguise the fact that they were illegitimate.
Regards
Julia 


On 4 Feb 2020, at 14:59, "uhkh3tsccmz9@..." <uhkh3tsccmz9@...> wrote:

There is of course another problem with birth certificates (at least historically)

When I was trying to track down a possible relative who might have been "adopted out", I was looking for a birth registration under a number of possible names (and having found it and no further records for that name I was planning to buy a copy of the certificate to see if it was marked "adopted").

This led to an interesting email correspondence with one of my local registrars about "historic practices". In essence (at least in the 1950s) a woman could walk in to a registry office, claim to be Jane Doe wishing to register the birth of Joe Doe, claim to be married and give her maiden name as Smith - and a Birth Certificate would be issued without further questions or requests for evidence of proof of identity, marriage or even of the child's existence.

What is the current practice for proof during registration?

  • Deaths: When (in the last 2 decades) registering my parent's deaths, the only evidence produced was the doctor's formal letter - everything else was taken on trust.
  • Marriages: The claimed people are at least there, but as a witness (signing the register in the 1980's) I was not asked for any proof of identity
  • Births:?

David

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