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Re: Media Files

Lorna Craig
 

Tom,

This indicates that Family Historian cannot find the file in the original location where it was when it was first linked.  The file has either been renamed or moved or deleted. 

The solution to fix the problem depends on which of these things has happened.   If the file has been renamed, use Tools>External File Links to open the Work with External File Links windowLocate the problem media record in the list, where it will have a cross beside it.  Click on it to select it, then click Edit. You can now change the file name (the name which FH is looking for) to match the name of the file on your computer.

If the file has been moved, you may be able to locate it using the Auto Repair Links button in the Work with External File Links window.  For further guidance click the Help button in the same window.

If the file has been deleted completely you will need to make/download a new one.

Lorna

On 10/05/2020 12:24, Tom Gray via groups.io wrote:

Any advice on the following?

I have noticed that quite a few of my media files are now showing as a blank box with a diagonal X in it.

In the focus window individual media tab I can click on a record and see the media in the lower pane.

In the preview alongside their name it shows as a envelope for want of a better description

Have attached a screenshot Focus Screen.

 

In the main Media View the same media record also shows as an envelope.

Clicking on it produces the pop up box with the message “The parameter is incorrect”

I have attached a Screenshot Media List.

 

Any ideas

A) why it has happened?

B) how to resolve it?

 




Re: Media Files

Robert
 

Tom, this happens to me all the time, I’m forever moving files about, and have several copies of the same file - I usually delete the wrong one by mistake, which puts me in the position you are in now.

easily resolved, by placing the file back in its folder, then drag-and-drop into the media block you are in. Then just delete the old link.

Hope this helps


Media Files

Tom Gray
 

Any advice on the following?

I have noticed that quite a few of my media files are now showing as a blank box with a diagonal X in it.

In the focus window individual media tab I can click on a record and see the media in the lower pane.

In the preview alongside their name it shows as a envelope for want of a better description

Have attached a screenshot Focus Screen.

 

In the main Media View the same media record also shows as an envelope.

Clicking on it produces the pop up box with the message “The parameter is incorrect”

I have attached a Screenshot Media List.

 

Any ideas

A) why it has happened?

B) how to resolve it?

 

Tom Gray


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Brian Lummis
 

I tend to agree Peter so I am about to act as my own moderator by clicking “Mute This Topic” at the foot of this post!

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Atkinson
Sent: 10 May 2020 10:27
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Ancestry Message service - update

 

I cant remember how this topic started but hasn't it gone on too long, as I think it is inappropriate for this "family historian" Site.

 

On Sun, 10 May 2020, 10:15 Sheila Beer, <sheilamarcelb@...> wrote:

You can use the same sign-in information on either Ancestry.com or Ancestry.co.uk ( I assume all the other country specific Ancestry sites as well)

 

On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 08:52, Sheila Beer via groups.io <sheilamarcelb=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have an account on .co.uk and that HAS had the message service upgrade

 

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 22:03, <debbiekennett@...> wrote:

Ancestry have said that full rollout to the new messaging system continues, but “most users have the new experience”.  They’ve also said that “Existing international users will see the new experience soon” which rather suggests that it has so far only been rolled out to their users in the US.

 

Debbie Kennett

 


Re: Genealogical Proof Standard

Paul Steadman
 

I have found this discussion both fascinating and enlightening.
I have just returned to my family history after a break of about 10 years, only to discover a few errors in the data I had entered into FH, like mixing the children of my 3x Great grandfather's two families - why after the death of his first wife (Elizabeth Prior b 1805 Little Hallingbury, Essex) did he marry Elizabeth Prior b 1808 from the neighbouring village of Great Hallingbury??????
I was even considering starting afresh and entering all the data again.
Now I know about Genealogical Proof Standards, and Evidentia, my mind is made up. Back to square one and fully document everything as I go.
Thanks everyone who has contributed to this discussion

Paul

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 10:11, claverterry <terencedicker@...> wrote:
Hilary
I have just over a week to finish my Univ. of Strathclyde Course, after which I will try the 14 day free trial of Evidentia. It now sounds intriguing...have you been surprised at how much you can extract from an English census document, for example?
Terry


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Peter Atkinson
 

I cant remember how this topic started but hasn't it gone on too long, as I think it is inappropriate for this "family historian" Site.


On Sun, 10 May 2020, 10:15 Sheila Beer, <sheilamarcelb@...> wrote:
You can use the same sign-in information on either Ancestry.com or Ancestry.co.uk ( I assume all the other country specific Ancestry sites as well)

On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 08:52, Sheila Beer via groups.io <sheilamarcelb=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have an account on .co.uk and that HAS had the message service upgrade

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 22:03, <debbiekennett@...> wrote:

Ancestry have said that full rollout to the new messaging system continues, but “most users have the new experience”.  They’ve also said that “Existing international users will see the new experience soon” which rather suggests that it has so far only been rolled out to their users in the US.

 

Debbie Kennett

 


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Sheila Beer
 

You can use the same sign-in information on either Ancestry.com or Ancestry.co.uk ( I assume all the other country specific Ancestry sites as well)


On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 08:52, Sheila Beer via groups.io <sheilamarcelb=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have an account on .co.uk and that HAS had the message service upgrade

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 22:03, <debbiekennett@...> wrote:

Ancestry have said that full rollout to the new messaging system continues, but “most users have the new experience”.  They’ve also said that “Existing international users will see the new experience soon” which rather suggests that it has so far only been rolled out to their users in the US.

 

Debbie Kennett

 


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Sheila Beer
 

I have an account on .co.uk and that HAS had the message service upgrade


On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 22:03, <debbiekennett@...> wrote:

Ancestry have said that full rollout to the new messaging system continues, but “most users have the new experience”.  They’ve also said that “Existing international users will see the new experience soon” which rather suggests that it has so far only been rolled out to their users in the US.

 

Debbie Kennett

 


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Debbie Kennett
 

Ancestry have said that full rollout to the new messaging system continues, but “most users have the new experience”.  They’ve also said that “Existing international users will see the new experience soon” which rather suggests that it has so far only been rolled out to their users in the US.

 

Debbie Kennett

 


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Robert Flood
 

Glad I'm not the only one on the old system. I'm also on ancestry.co.uk in spite of repeated attempts to change my links to .com, but I am not seeing the blue bar.

Robert

On Saturday, 9 May 2020, 14:39:06 BST, John James <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:


When I'm on Ancestry (.co.uk) I see what Robert Flood sees.  But there is also a blue bar below the black bar saying "It's almost here! Find out more about the new messaging experience at Ancestry."

But I received a message on 24th September 2019 saying the new Messaging was imminent ...

John


Re: Genealogical Proof Standard

Jan Murphy
 

Terry --

I have Evidentia but haven't used it extensively -- I have been on a 'hunting and gathering' phase and need to stop and analyze what I've found and get it into Family Historian.  

Evidentia is good for making you slow down and really think about what information you might be able to get out of a document.  Since this makes many people cry "that's too much work!", I often advise people to try it with their most difficult cases first. But from Ed T (the developer) has said in his video classes, he wrote the program to help him organize all of his genealogy work.  

To wring the most data out of an English census document, I would first find a copy of the census enumerator's instructions. If I remember correctly, those are available on histpop.org.  Reading population studies and census reports for the area may also alert you to subtleties you might have missed, which you could then incorporate into your notes in Evidentia or Family Historian or both.

Ed's YouTube channel is at  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYKbwE4VYrXm--D2FF7hZ7Q 
He also has a Facebook presence and enjoys keeping in touch with his users and getting feedback on the program.

Jan Murphy
Moderator Pro Tempore



On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 2:11 AM claverterry <terencedicker@...> wrote:
Hilary
I have just over a week to finish my Univ. of Strathclyde Course, after which I will try the 14 day free trial of Evidentia. It now sounds intriguing...have you been surprised at how much you can extract from an English census document, for example?
Terry


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Debbie Kennett
 

It seems to have taken Ancestry a lot longer than predicted to roll out this new messaging system. Here are some details I received from an Ancestry briefing back in June 2019.

 

Overview

● New Ancestry Message Center: The new Ancestry Message Center is a modern and

easy-to-navigate platform that allows members to easily exchange messages with each other.

With new features like current message status, online member status and improved member

search capabilities, members are now able to connect and respond to each other in a more

efficient way.

 

About the new Ancestry Message Center

● Current Message Status: This feature will show a “Delivered” notice below the message when

it is delivered and a “Read” notice once the message has been read. This feature will help keep

members better informed about the status of their message.

● Online Member Status: Now, members will be able to see a green dot next to a user’s name if

they are online and currently available in the new Ancestry Message Center.

● Improved Member Search Capabilities: By adding a predictive text search feature within the

new Ancestry Message Center, it’s easier for Ancestry members to find the person they are

trying to message even faster. If a member is online and currently available a green dot will

appear next to their name in the search bar.

 

We were told that new subscribers from June 2019 onwards would be put on the new messaging platform and existing members were supposed to follow. Ancestry members who use the message folders were going to be transitioned last as they were trying to find a way to transfer the folders. That doesn’t seem to have been possible. If you have made use of the folders you will need to download your message folders archive. You will be able to do this until 31st August.

 

Debbie Kennett

 


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

John James
 

When I'm on Ancestry (.co.uk) I see what Robert Flood sees.  But there is also a blue bar below the black bar saying "It's almost here! Find out more about the new messaging experience at Ancestry."

But I received a message on 24th September 2019 saying the new Messaging was imminent ...

John


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

John & Carol King
 

I am glad that I'm not the only one seeing a different screen

On Saturday, 9 May 2020, 11:34:42 BST, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig@...> wrote:


I see what Bill has described. There are no separate folders for inbox, sent, etc.  The screen looks like the one shown here: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Messaging-on-Ancestry

 

Lorna

From: BillH
Sent: 09 May 2020 05:18
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Ancestry Message service - update

 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 01:56 PM, Robert Flood wrote:

 

When I am on Ancestry there is a black menu bar at the top of the page. On the right hand side of that is my name and an avatar, next to that is an envelope. Clicking on the envelope opens a drop down with the last few messages. At the bottom of these is "see all messages", click on that and it opens your "message center". On the left of this page are the options to look at "inbox", "sent", "deleted" and "folders" (if you have created any) plus a search box.

 

 

My guess is that you are still on the old message system.  I am on the new message system.  The new message system doesn't look like that.  It has only an "in" box on the left with a list of message "threads".  In the middle it shows the messages for the selected "thread".  On the right it gives information about the person that sent you message.  There is no "sent" or "deleted" folder shown.

Bill

 


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

Lorna Craig
 

I see what Bill has described. There are no separate folders for inbox, sent, etc.  The screen looks like the one shown here: https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/Messaging-on-Ancestry

 

Lorna

From: BillH
Sent: 09 May 2020 05:18
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Ancestry Message service - update

 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 01:56 PM, Robert Flood wrote:

 

When I am on Ancestry there is a black menu bar at the top of the page. On the right hand side of that is my name and an avatar, next to that is an envelope. Clicking on the envelope opens a drop down with the last few messages. At the bottom of these is "see all messages", click on that and it opens your "message center". On the left of this page are the options to look at "inbox", "sent", "deleted" and "folders" (if you have created any) plus a search box.

 

 

My guess is that you are still on the old message system.  I am on the new message system.  The new message system doesn't look like that.  It has only an "in" box on the left with a list of message "threads".  In the middle it shows the messages for the selected "thread".  On the right it gives information about the person that sent you message.  There is no "sent" or "deleted" folder shown.

Bill

 


Re: Genealogical Proof Standard

claverterry
 

Hilary
I have just over a week to finish my Univ. of Strathclyde Course, after which I will try the 14 day free trial of Evidentia. It now sounds intriguing...have you been surprised at how much you can extract from an English census document, for example?
Terry


Re: Genealogical Proof Standard

Hilary
 

Terry
The  good thing with Evidentia is that it allows you to enter and extract the information from each of your sources and add your analysis of the information to reach a conclusion based on all the pieces of evidence you can find. 
It is quite surprising how much you can extract from a document when you are guided through the process. 
I am not sure if Ed Thompson,  the developer and a Genealogist, has a free or limited trial version as it is a while since I have had to look at his website.

Hilary 

On Sat, 9 May 2020, 06:00 claverterry, <terencedicker@...> wrote:
How little did I know that my initial questions would lead to such an extended and interesting discussion. As I said initially, I have an extensive tree but have not formally analysed data and relationships. As a scientist with an analytical mind, I have instinctively and knowingly graded information, and where there is a conflict, attempted to gather more informations (such as witnesses) to bolster or create conclusions. Your latest message, Jan, gives an intersting perspective on the 'Strathclyde philosophy'. But I have a further question. Have you found Evidentia worthwhile (I have no personal knowledge of it)? Would you use it just for 'difficult cases'?

Terry


Re: Genealogical Proof Standard

claverterry
 

How little did I know that my initial questions would lead to such an extended and interesting discussion. As I said initially, I have an extensive tree but have not formally analysed data and relationships. As a scientist with an analytical mind, I have instinctively and knowingly graded information, and where there is a conflict, attempted to gather more informations (such as witnesses) to bolster or create conclusions. Your latest message, Jan, gives an intersting perspective on the 'Strathclyde philosophy'. But I have a further question. Have you found Evidentia worthwhile (I have no personal knowledge of it)? Would you use it just for 'difficult cases'?

Terry


Re: Ancestry Message service - update

BillH
 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 01:56 PM, Robert Flood wrote:
 
When I am on Ancestry there is a black menu bar at the top of the page. On the right hand side of that is my name and an avatar, next to that is an envelope. Clicking on the envelope opens a drop down with the last few messages. At the bottom of these is "see all messages", click on that and it opens your "message center". On the left of this page are the options to look at "inbox", "sent", "deleted" and "folders" (if you have created any) plus a search box.
 
 
My guess is that you are still on the old message system.  I am on the new message system.  The new message system doesn't look like that.  It has only an "in" box on the left with a list of message "threads".  In the middle it shows the messages for the selected "thread".  On the right it gives information about the person that sent you message.  There is no "sent" or "deleted" folder shown.

Bill


Re: Genealogical Proof Standard

Adrian Bruce
 

Thing is that I personally believe that we should be referring to primary and secondary information, not primary and secondary sources. I believe that to be true not because ESM has a system doing that, but because I spent 30y analysing stuff in IT and when I analyse the contents of a gravestone that mentions (directly or indirectly) both death and birth data, it stands out to me that the birth and death information have different degrees of primacy / secondariness(?) 

So that's pretty much something that I believe for myself, though I probably didn't develop those ideas directly and equally wouldn't expect everyone else to follow my phrasing - though I would hope that others at least think a bit along the same lines, even if their terms are different.

There are many different techniques - but the issues tend to be very much the same.

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