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Re: Note Records

Mike Tate
 

Doug,

 

1. Whether they are a problem is somewhat subjective.

They do no harm, especially if they have no text or 0 Links, but they consume a small amount of space and may be a distraction.

 

2. Have you imported your Project from some other product in the past?

That is the most likely cause.

 

3. See FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Delete One or Many Records’

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/delete-one-or-many-records/

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Byway
Sent: 25 April 2022 13:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Note Records

 

Hello
I am in the process of cleaning my FH project, and I notice that in the Records window for 'Notes' there are many records with no Description and/or links = 0'
1. Are these a problem?
2. What  causes these to be generated?
3. As they appear to be spurious, how do I delete them?
Regards
Doug


Re: Rearrange Address and Places Parts Plugin

David Hodgson-Brown
 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

I am not definitely going to do this, but reading the information on Gedcom 7 from the LDS I think it is implying that ‘Place’ is more like a legal entity, whereas the address is definitely one that can be used as a postal address so needs to be compete.

 

David

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 25 April 2022 10:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Rearrange Address and Places Parts Plugin

 

Hi David,

The first thing to do is use Tools > Work with Data > Addresses and increase the number of Columns to 10 (or whatever you think you need).

You must decide how columns need to be reserved for Addresses.

Let us assume 5 for sake of argument. i.e. None of your Addresses needs more than 5 columns.

It also assumes that none of your Places needs more than 5 columns, because Address columns + Place columns must be no more than 10.

 

Run the Plugin and note that Address 1 to Address 5 will remain unchanged to Address columns intact.

In the Address 6 drop list select Place 1.

In the Address 7 drop list select Place 2.

and so on until

In the Address 10 drop list select Place 5.

 

That is it.

 

BTW: Why do you think this rearrangement is a good idea?

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Hodgson-Brown
Sent: 25 April 2022 09:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Rearrange Address and Places Parts Plugin

 

Hi All

 

I would like to add the place to all my address entries. It must be my ‘senior moment’, but I can’t work out how to set this up in the plugin. Can anybody help please.

 

Thanks

 

David

 


Note Records

Doug Byway
 

Hello
I am in the process of cleaning my FH project, and I notice that in the Records window for 'Notes' there are many records with no Description and/or links = 0'
1. Are these a problem?
2. What  causes these to be generated?
3. As they appear to be spurious, how do I delete them?
Regards
Doug


Re: Ancestral Sources

Doug Byway
 

Thank-you Nick.
I suspected it was to do with the recording method, but didn't know where to change it.
Regards
Doug

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From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> on behalf of Nick Walker (Ancestral Sources) <nick@...>
Sent: 25 April 2022 10:19
To: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Ancestral Sources
 
Hi Doug

If you're expecting the Source field not to be greyed out then that suggests you usually use 'recording method 2'. The default (and recommended) setting for Ancestral Sources (and this is also true of Family Historian) is Method 1 so if you use Method 2 you'll need to change that in the Ancestral Sources settings. Method 1 (also know as 'splitter' method) is where a new source is created for every census household with images attached, etc. In this method the citations(links between facts and sources) are usually blank (so don't contain entry date and where within source) as that information is stored in the source. Method 2 (also known as the 'lumper' method) is where you may have just a small number of sources called, e.g. Census 1881 England and information is recorded in the citation instead. Assessment is also an options that you would need to specify if you want this recorded. So really what you should do is compare the AS settings on your laptop with the settings on your PC on a page by page basis.

Cheers

Nick

On 25/04/2022 11:04 Doug Byway <doug_byway@...> wrote:


Hello,
I am having problems using the Census input for Ancestral Sources on my new laptop.
It's operating system is Windows 11.
I have downloaded the latest version of AS and the problem I am experiencing is that the 'Source' field is greyed out, and the only way I can choose my Census year is to enter it in the appropriate field along with country.
My Project details have been entered, and display for selection of individuals, in the appropriate section of the screen.
When I enter the  Census details and save the record, the Individuals' facts are updated OK but the Source info. for the census entries are not showing an 'Entry date', 'Assessment' nor a 'Where within source' entry.
I was using AS version 7.3.3 on my old laptop, which was working OK.
I copied this version to my new laptop, and got the same results as with the latest version outlined above.

Is the problem with Windows 11, or does it lie within my FH Project, which is working OK in all other respects.
I suspect that somehow I have caused this problem, so any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks in anticipation!
Doug Byway


Re: Ancestral Sources

Mike Tate
 

Doug,

Have you migrated your AS settings from old PC to new PC (as you presumably did for FH)?

See FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Ancestral Sources Migration Guide’

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/ancestral-sources-migration-guide/

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Ancestral Sources

Nick Walker (Ancestral Sources)
 

Hi Doug

If you're expecting the Source field not to be greyed out then that suggests you usually use 'recording method 2'. The default (and recommended) setting for Ancestral Sources (and this is also true of Family Historian) is Method 1 so if you use Method 2 you'll need to change that in the Ancestral Sources settings. Method 1 (also know as 'splitter' method) is where a new source is created for every census household with images attached, etc. In this method the citations(links between facts and sources) are usually blank (so don't contain entry date and where within source) as that information is stored in the source. Method 2 (also known as the 'lumper' method) is where you may have just a small number of sources called, e.g. Census 1881 England and information is recorded in the citation instead. Assessment is also an options that you would need to specify if you want this recorded. So really what you should do is compare the AS settings on your laptop with the settings on your PC on a page by page basis.

Cheers

Nick

On 25/04/2022 11:04 Doug Byway <doug_byway@...> wrote:


Hello,
I am having problems using the Census input for Ancestral Sources on my new laptop.
It's operating system is Windows 11.
I have downloaded the latest version of AS and the problem I am experiencing is that the 'Source' field is greyed out, and the only way I can choose my Census year is to enter it in the appropriate field along with country.
My Project details have been entered, and display for selection of individuals, in the appropriate section of the screen.
When I enter the  Census details and save the record, the Individuals' facts are updated OK but the Source info. for the census entries are not showing an 'Entry date', 'Assessment' nor a 'Where within source' entry.
I was using AS version 7.3.3 on my old laptop, which was working OK.
I copied this version to my new laptop, and got the same results as with the latest version outlined above.

Is the problem with Windows 11, or does it lie within my FH Project, which is working OK in all other respects.
I suspect that somehow I have caused this problem, so any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks in anticipation!
Doug Byway


Ancestral Sources

Doug Byway
 

Hello,
I am having problems using the Census input for Ancestral Sources on my new laptop.
It's operating system is Windows 11.
I have downloaded the latest version of AS and the problem I am experiencing is that the 'Source' field is greyed out, and the only way I can choose my Census year is to enter it in the appropriate field along with country.
My Project details have been entered, and display for selection of individuals, in the appropriate section of the screen.
When I enter the  Census details and save the record, the Individuals' facts are updated OK but the Source info. for the census entries are not showing an 'Entry date', 'Assessment' nor a 'Where within source' entry.
I was using AS version 7.3.3 on my old laptop, which was working OK.
I copied this version to my new laptop, and got the same results as with the latest version outlined above.

Is the problem with Windows 11, or does it lie within my FH Project, which is working OK in all other respects.
I suspect that somehow I have caused this problem, so any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks in anticipation!
Doug Byway


Re: Rearrange Address and Places Parts Plugin

Mike Tate
 

Hi David,

The first thing to do is use Tools > Work with Data > Addresses and increase the number of Columns to 10 (or whatever you think you need).

You must decide how columns need to be reserved for Addresses.

Let us assume 5 for sake of argument. i.e. None of your Addresses needs more than 5 columns.

It also assumes that none of your Places needs more than 5 columns, because Address columns + Place columns must be no more than 10.

 

Run the Plugin and note that Address 1 to Address 5 will remain unchanged to Address columns intact.

In the Address 6 drop list select Place 1.

In the Address 7 drop list select Place 2.

and so on until

In the Address 10 drop list select Place 5.

 

That is it.

 

BTW: Why do you think this rearrangement is a good idea?

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Hodgson-Brown
Sent: 25 April 2022 09:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Rearrange Address and Places Parts Plugin

 

Hi All

 

I would like to add the place to all my address entries. It must be my ‘senior moment’, but I can’t work out how to set this up in the plugin. Can anybody help please.

 

Thanks

 

David

 


Re: Rearrange Address and Places Parts Plugin

Victor Markham
 

When you are in Focus under any name. Prompt your facts tab it will then list where you can put the place name and address

Victor

On 25/04/2022 09:38, David Hodgson-Brown wrote:

Hi All

 

I would like to add the place to all my address entries. It must be my ‘senior moment’, but I can’t work out how to set this up in the plugin. Can anybody help please.

 

Thanks

 

David

 


Rearrange Address and Places Parts Plugin

David Hodgson-Brown
 

Hi All

 

I would like to add the place to all my address entries. It must be my ‘senior moment’, but I can’t work out how to set this up in the plugin. Can anybody help please.

 

Thanks

 

David

 


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Pauline Parnell
 

You’re all making my family look quite tame! I think the most I’ve got in any one family is three (all on one tab). However, I’ve got one family where every daughter in one particular generation had at least one illegitimate child. I sometimes wonder if they were running the local brothel 😂😂

Pauline

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 12:25, Sue Herrington <sue.herrington9@...> wrote:

I too have a similar scenario. My 2x GGM had 8 children from 1834-1857, all of them illegitimate, none of them with “useful” middle names & none of them with a father named on a birth certificate or baptism record. She never married &, apart from the 1841 Census, was not recorded as living with anyone other than her children.

 

I doubt very much that the same man fathered all of her children, indeed the man with whom she is enumerated in 1841 (along with her third child) was transported to Bermuda a few years later & so was clearly out of the picture for some of the later children. All of the children are currently on one “unknown” tab for the same reason as Adrian.

 

Sue

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Adrian Bruce
Sent: 23 April 2022 22:13
To: Family Historian Groups.io mailing list
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How to handle Illegitimate Births

 

 

 

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 16:21, Andrew Braid <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:

I have just found a similar situation. The mother never married but gave birth to two illegitimate children. I think by different fathers as they were born about 5 years apart and both have different second names that could be surnames. 

In the property box should I have the children in separate tabs with two unknown fathers or just a single tab with both children? ...

 

 

Usually I put both children on *one* tab with an unknown father because in my own head "unknown" means exactly that and covers the possibility that there are actually two different fathers. But perhaps you have to have that sort of mindset to think like that. If you feel like you are likely to interpret one tab with an unknown as a single unknown person, then perhaps you should have two tabs.

 

Since my 3G GM had 6 illegitimate children (plus one legitimate), I really didn't feel like creating 6 different tabs plus one. Just a little expensive in real estate, I thought.

 

Adrian

 

 


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Victor Markham
 

My grandfather was baptised George Henry Briggs in 1862 with no father's name on. His birth certificate also had no father's name on. In 1865 his mother married Charles Markham and George was known as Markham after that. When my father married he gave his father's name as George Markham. I have had a DNA to see if Charles was his father. He is not.

On 24 Apr 2022, at 15:30, stephen.challis@... wrote:

I am also in this increasingly large boat.

 

My great-great grandfather, William Challis, married Esther Markham in 1860. However, the 1861 census shows an Abraham Markham living with Esther’s parents. Abraham’s baptism record dated 18th May 1871 gives his age as 14 and his parentage as ‘Esther Jane Markham, a single woman’. He must therefore have been born to Esther in 1856 or 1857 – before Esther married Abraham. If Abraham had been his father, surely this would have been recorded on the baptism certificate. And he probably would have been living with them in 1861.

 

Interestingly, Abraham later adopted the surname of Challis, and the conversations and writings of my great-grandfather and two of my great-uncles indicate that they believed that Abraham was William’s son.

 

Despite this, my diagram of William Challis descendants does not include Abraham, although, of course, a diagram of Esther Markham’s descendants would.

 

Stephen Challis

Please reply to Stephen.Challis@...

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 23 April 2022 13:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] How to handle Illegitimate Births

 

I am just researching a very large extended but rural family grouping as part of my One name Study and they have been quite an interesting challenge not least due to multiple illegitimate births ( and then some "passing around" of same children to be raised by aunties etc.

I had a bit of an issue enetring an illegitimate birth via Ancestral Sources which I still dont fully understand, something to do with the child already existing in a family? but I worked around that.

It made me realise however that there are various ways to treat such a birth.

So my question is this:

Mother A gives birth to child B
Mother subsequently marries Spouse C
They then have a second child D who carries the fathers surname whilst child B is integrated into family but mainatins mothers surname on subsequent census etc.

How do people treat this in FH?

Do you set up one family with both children and use the "relationaship to parents" box to show mother is birth mother but father is not birth father for the illiegitimate birth. ( this is where Ancestral sources stuttered?)
Do you set up the mother in two families - one for the illegitimate child showing no father and then a seperate one for the marriage family?

Hope that question makes ense?

with thanks
John Firr
M


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

stephen.challis@...
 

I am also in this increasingly large boat.

 

My great-great grandfather, William Challis, married Esther Markham in 1860. However, the 1861 census shows an Abraham Markham living with Esther’s parents. Abraham’s baptism record dated 18th May 1871 gives his age as 14 and his parentage as ‘Esther Jane Markham, a single woman’. He must therefore have been born to Esther in 1856 or 1857 – before Esther married Abraham. If Abraham had been his father, surely this would have been recorded on the baptism certificate. And he probably would have been living with them in 1861.

 

Interestingly, Abraham later adopted the surname of Challis, and the conversations and writings of my great-grandfather and two of my great-uncles indicate that they believed that Abraham was William’s son.

 

Despite this, my diagram of William Challis descendants does not include Abraham, although, of course, a diagram of Esther Markham’s descendants would.

 

Stephen Challis

Please reply to Stephen.Challis@...

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 23 April 2022 13:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] How to handle Illegitimate Births

 

I am just researching a very large extended but rural family grouping as part of my One name Study and they have been quite an interesting challenge not least due to multiple illegitimate births ( and then some "passing around" of same children to be raised by aunties etc.

I had a bit of an issue enetring an illegitimate birth via Ancestral Sources which I still dont fully understand, something to do with the child already existing in a family? but I worked around that.

It made me realise however that there are various ways to treat such a birth.

So my question is this:

Mother A gives birth to child B
Mother subsequently marries Spouse C
They then have a second child D who carries the fathers surname whilst child B is integrated into family but mainatins mothers surname on subsequent census etc.

How do people treat this in FH?

Do you set up one family with both children and use the "relationaship to parents" box to show mother is birth mother but father is not birth father for the illiegitimate birth. ( this is where Ancestral sources stuttered?)
Do you set up the mother in two families - one for the illegitimate child showing no father and then a seperate one for the marriage family?

Hope that question makes ense?

with thanks
John Firr
M


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Sue Herrington
 

I too have a similar scenario. My 2x GGM had 8 children from 1834-1857, all of them illegitimate, none of them with “useful” middle names & none of them with a father named on a birth certificate or baptism record. She never married &, apart from the 1841 Census, was not recorded as living with anyone other than her children.

 

I doubt very much that the same man fathered all of her children, indeed the man with whom she is enumerated in 1841 (along with her third child) was transported to Bermuda a few years later & so was clearly out of the picture for some of the later children. All of the children are currently on one “unknown” tab for the same reason as Adrian.

 

Sue

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Adrian Bruce
Sent: 23 April 2022 22:13
To: Family Historian Groups.io mailing list
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How to handle Illegitimate Births

 

 

 

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 16:21, Andrew Braid <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:

I have just found a similar situation. The mother never married but gave birth to two illegitimate children. I think by different fathers as they were born about 5 years apart and both have different second names that could be surnames. 

In the property box should I have the children in separate tabs with two unknown fathers or just a single tab with both children? ...

 

 

Usually I put both children on *one* tab with an unknown father because in my own head "unknown" means exactly that and covers the possibility that there are actually two different fathers. But perhaps you have to have that sort of mindset to think like that. If you feel like you are likely to interpret one tab with an unknown as a single unknown person, then perhaps you should have two tabs.

 

Since my 3G GM had 6 illegitimate children (plus one legitimate), I really didn't feel like creating 6 different tabs plus one. Just a little expensive in real estate, I thought.

 

Adrian

 

 


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Brent Tapscott
 

Like Adrian, I have a person who had multiple illegitimate children and have taken a similar approach of having them all on one tab.   If (and it is probably unlikely!) I find the father for one (or more) I know I can easily move that child record to a separate tab / family record.    It could, of course, be the case that all the children were actually fathered by the same person, so I don't feel having them all on one tab / family record is particularly "wrong".


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Adrian Bruce
 



On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 16:21, Andrew Braid <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:
I have just found a similar situation. The mother never married but gave birth to two illegitimate children. I think by different fathers as they were born about 5 years apart and both have different second names that could be surnames. 
In the property box should I have the children in separate tabs with two unknown fathers or just a single tab with both children? ...


Usually I put both children on *one* tab with an unknown father because in my own head "unknown" means exactly that and covers the possibility that there are actually two different fathers. But perhaps you have to have that sort of mindset to think like that. If you feel like you are likely to interpret one tab with an unknown as a single unknown person, then perhaps you should have two tabs.

Since my 3G GM had 6 illegitimate children (plus one legitimate), I really didn't feel like creating 6 different tabs plus one. Just a little expensive in real estate, I thought.

Adrian
 


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Andrew Braid
 

Mike

Thanks. This is the conclusion I had come to but I can find no more evidence as yet to know which way to go. 

Andrew 

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022, 17:25 Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

If you believe the children had separate fathers then use two ‘Spouse’ tabs to emulate the real world scenario.

If you believe the children had the same father then use just one tab.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Braid
Sent: 23 April 2022 16:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How to handle Illegitimate Births

 

I have just found a similar situation. The mother never married but gave birth to two illegitimate children. I think by different fathers as they were born about 5 years apart and both have different second names that could be surnames. 

In the property box should I have the children in separate tabs with two unknown fathers or just a single tab with both children? 

 

Andrew Braid 

 

 


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

Mike Tate
 

If you believe the children had separate fathers then use two ‘Spouse’ tabs to emulate the real world scenario.

If you believe the children had the same father then use just one tab.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Braid
Sent: 23 April 2022 16:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] How to handle Illegitimate Births

 

I have just found a similar situation. The mother never married but gave birth to two illegitimate children. I think by different fathers as they were born about 5 years apart and both have different second names that could be surnames. 

In the property box should I have the children in separate tabs with two unknown fathers or just a single tab with both children? 

 

Andrew Braid 

 

 


Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

rsamoir@blueyonder.co.uk
 

Perhaps a bigger problem is where the youngest, or junior, member of a family is actually the illegitimate child of an elder daughter!  What do you tell the family? 

Alastair Moir


On 23 Apr 2022, at 16:46, rsamoir@... via groups.io <rsamoir@...> wrote:

Almost every family will have an illegitimate birth! Some clearly acknowledged with a father(seldom) and some where the bet is on the second name, Adam Smith Brown. Set up a second family with a partner Smith and mark the child as illegitimate. After that you just have to follow the records, what was the child in censuses, marriage etc, 

Alastair Moir


On 23 Apr 2022, at 16:21, Andrew Braid <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:


I have just found a similar situation. The mother never married but gave birth to two illegitimate children. I think by different fathers as they were born about 5 years apart and both have different second names that could be surnames. 
In the property box should I have the children in separate tabs with two unknown fathers or just a single tab with both children? 

Andrew Braid 



Re: How to handle Illegitimate Births

rsamoir@blueyonder.co.uk
 

Almost every family will have an illegitimate birth! Some clearly acknowledged with a father(seldom) and some where the bet is on the second name, Adam Smith Brown. Set up a second family with a partner Smith and mark the child as illegitimate. After that you just have to follow the records, what was the child in censuses, marriage etc, 

Alastair Moir


On 23 Apr 2022, at 16:21, Andrew Braid <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:


I have just found a similar situation. The mother never married but gave birth to two illegitimate children. I think by different fathers as they were born about 5 years apart and both have different second names that could be surnames. 
In the property box should I have the children in separate tabs with two unknown fathers or just a single tab with both children? 

Andrew Braid 


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