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Re: Backup and restore plugin

Mike Tate
 

You at least need to summarise the problem so those who have not seen this posting understand.

You can include a cross-reference link to this posting using https://groups.io/g/family-historian/topic/89797708

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rhoda A Murray
Sent: 16 March 2022 13:23
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

Yes I Have a FHUG account and have now opened it.

Do I need  start a new topic in order to continue this thread?

 


Re: Backup and restore plugin

Vyger
 

Rhoda, I can't see your images in detail on my phone but going by your original post and som comments about nested folders be aware there was a folder length limitation of 256 characters which would start counting at c:\

If you are just wanting to backup to Dropbox I cover this at the end of my video below. If working between laptop and other computer you could simply restore from the local folders Dropbox creates on your computer.

Hope this helps



On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 13:34 Rhoda A Murray, <rhodaamurray@...> wrote:

Yes I Have a FHUG account and have now opened it.

Do I need  start a new topic in order to continue this thread?

 

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From: Mike Tate
Sent: 16 March 2022 12:58
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

Rhoda, do you have an FHUG Forum account at https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

Screenshots are higher resolution there and are instantly available.

Whereas here the resolution is so low they are almost unreadable and administrators must review them which introduces a significant delay.

 

I am surprised you having difficulties with Windows 11 because it is almost identical to Windows 10.

Is it the new command ribbon at the top of Windows File Explorer that is the problem?

 

Certainly, the multiple nested Family Historian Projects folders are not good.

But even your USB stick has them so must have been created in Windows 10.

 

We need to work through each step you have taken on the old Windows 10 PC and the new Windows 11 PC for both Projects and the Backup and Restore FH Settings plugin. That will be so much easier in the FHUG Forum.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rhoda A Murray
Sent: 16 March 2022 12:00
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

Thank you for your replies.

The source for my data is my PC which runs on Windows 10.

The target  is a new laptop which runs on Windows 11 (I didn't realise this until I had brought it home!)

I am using the latest version of FH on both machines (V7.0.11)

I have read: Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide and Backup and restore Family Historian Settings FAQ. and have tried to follow the instructions but have clearly made mistakes.

I have used the  "Backup and Restore"  Plugin to back up the source data on Googledrive and  on a USB  stick. You can see the pathway for the latter in the screenshot below.

On the target laptop I have installed FH, opened  "Backup and Restore" in the FH Sample Project, ticked "Allow Registry Data" in the Options tab and then run Restore.  It is then that I have received the message about the destination path being too long.

Following MikeP's response to my query I have looked closely at the file name and can see that it has the same path repeated several times. (see below) I don't understand how this has happened unless it is because I have tried to restore the data several times.

I have tried to rename the file by deleting the repeated pathways but the process is not the same as on Windows 10 and although I have looked on the internet for ways of doing this I haven't managed to achieve this.

Mike P suggested accessing the directory but I don’t know how to do this.

As you can see I am not confident with computers and am wary of deleting anything in case I make things worse.  

Thank you for your time,

Rhoda

 


Re: Backup and restore plugin

Rhoda A Murray
 

Yes I Have a FHUG account and have now opened it.

Do I need  start a new topic in order to continue this thread?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 16 March 2022 12:58
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

Rhoda, do you have an FHUG Forum account at https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

Screenshots are higher resolution there and are instantly available.

Whereas here the resolution is so low they are almost unreadable and administrators must review them which introduces a significant delay.

 

I am surprised you having difficulties with Windows 11 because it is almost identical to Windows 10.

Is it the new command ribbon at the top of Windows File Explorer that is the problem?

 

Certainly, the multiple nested Family Historian Projects folders are not good.

But even your USB stick has them so must have been created in Windows 10.

 

We need to work through each step you have taken on the old Windows 10 PC and the new Windows 11 PC for both Projects and the Backup and Restore FH Settings plugin. That will be so much easier in the FHUG Forum.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rhoda A Murray
Sent: 16 March 2022 12:00
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

Thank you for your replies.

The source for my data is my PC which runs on Windows 10.

The target  is a new laptop which runs on Windows 11 (I didn't realise this until I had brought it home!)

I am using the latest version of FH on both machines (V7.0.11)

I have read: Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide and Backup and restore Family Historian Settings FAQ. and have tried to follow the instructions but have clearly made mistakes.

I have used the  "Backup and Restore"  Plugin to back up the source data on Googledrive and  on a USB  stick. You can see the pathway for the latter in the screenshot below.

On the target laptop I have installed FH, opened  "Backup and Restore" in the FH Sample Project, ticked "Allow Registry Data" in the Options tab and then run Restore.  It is then that I have received the message about the destination path being too long.

Following MikeP's response to my query I have looked closely at the file name and can see that it has the same path repeated several times. (see below) I don't understand how this has happened unless it is because I have tried to restore the data several times.

I have tried to rename the file by deleting the repeated pathways but the process is not the same as on Windows 10 and although I have looked on the internet for ways of doing this I haven't managed to achieve this.

Mike P suggested accessing the directory but I don’t know how to do this.

As you can see I am not confident with computers and am wary of deleting anything in case I make things worse.  

Thank you for your time,

Rhoda

 


Re: Backup and restore plugin

Mike Tate
 

Rhoda, do you have an FHUG Forum account at https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

Screenshots are higher resolution there and are instantly available.

Whereas here the resolution is so low they are almost unreadable and administrators must review them which introduces a significant delay.

 

I am surprised you having difficulties with Windows 11 because it is almost identical to Windows 10.

Is it the new command ribbon at the top of Windows File Explorer that is the problem?

 

Certainly, the multiple nested Family Historian Projects folders are not good.

But even your USB stick has them so must have been created in Windows 10.

 

We need to work through each step you have taken on the old Windows 10 PC and the new Windows 11 PC for both Projects and the Backup and Restore FH Settings plugin. That will be so much easier in the FHUG Forum.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rhoda A Murray
Sent: 16 March 2022 12:00
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

Thank you for your replies.

The source for my data is my PC which runs on Windows 10.

The target  is a new laptop which runs on Windows 11 (I didn't realise this until I had brought it home!)

I am using the latest version of FH on both machines (V7.0.11)

I have read: Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide and Backup and restore Family Historian Settings FAQ. and have tried to follow the instructions but have clearly made mistakes.

I have used the  "Backup and Restore"  Plugin to back up the source data on Googledrive and  on a USB  stick. You can see the pathway for the latter in the screenshot below.

On the target laptop I have installed FH, opened  "Backup and Restore" in the FH Sample Project, ticked "Allow Registry Data" in the Options tab and then run Restore.  It is then that I have received the message about the destination path being too long.

Following MikeP's response to my query I have looked closely at the file name and can see that it has the same path repeated several times. (see below) I don't understand how this has happened unless it is because I have tried to restore the data several times.

I have tried to rename the file by deleting the repeated pathways but the process is not the same as on Windows 10 and although I have looked on the internet for ways of doing this I haven't managed to achieve this.

Mike P suggested accessing the directory but I don’t know how to do this.

As you can see I am not confident with computers and am wary of deleting anything in case I make things worse.  

Thank you for your time,

Rhoda


Re: Backup and restore plugin

Rhoda A Murray
 

Thank you for your replies.

The source for my data is my PC which runs on Windows 10.

The target  is a new laptop which runs on Windows 11 (I didn't realise this until I had brought it home!)

I am using the latest version of FH on both machines (V7.0.11)

I have read: Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide and Backup and restore Family Historian Settings FAQ. and have tried to follow the instructions but have clearly made mistakes.

I have used the  "Backup and Restore"  Plugin to back up the source data on Googledrive and  on a USB  stick. You can see the pathway for the latter in the screenshot below.

 

On the target laptop I have installed FH, opened  "Backup and Restore" in the FH Sample Project, ticked "Allow Registry Data" in the Options tab and then run Restore.  It is then that I have received the message about the destination path being too long.

Following MikeP's response to my query I have looked closely at the file name and can see that it has the same path repeated several times. (see below) I don't understand how this has happened unless it is because I have tried to restore the data several times.

 

I have tried to rename the file by deleting the repeated pathways but the process is not the same as on Windows 10 and although I have looked on the internet for ways of doing this I haven't managed to achieve this.

Mike P suggested accessing the directory but I don’t know how to do this.

As you can see I am not confident with computers and am wary of deleting anything in case I make things worse.  

Thank you for your time,

Rhoda

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 2:50 PM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Sorry about that Rhoda.

Can you please provide some more details about what command you are actually using.

What is the full folder path involved in the copying process?

The screenshot does not show any ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin details.

Which plugin are you using?

What plugin version are you using?

What FH Version are you using?

What Windows version are you using?

Are you following the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rhoda A Murray
Sent: 15 March 2022 13:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

I am in the process of copying my FH project to my new laptop and have received  the message on my laptop:

“Destination Path Too Long

Copying 2948 items from ESD-USB (D) to Public

Interrupted – 98% complete”

 

I have attached a screenshot.

 

Can you help?

 

Thank you

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


Re: Ancestral Sources

Doug Byway
 

Thank-you, Mike
It was the change from 'Census' to 'Register' option  of which  I was unaware.


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From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Tate <post@...>
Sent: 16 March 2022 11:26
To: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Ancestral Sources
 

Hi Doug,

You cannot select an Individual until you have selected a Type, Region & Year.

The 1939 UK Register is now listed in the Type: Register option.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Byway
Sent: 16 March 2022 11:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Ancestral Sources

 

Hello,
I am having problems with loading census info. in Ancestral Sources.
When I open AS my Project Individual Details are displayed OK, but when I try to select an individual, the Select button is greyed out. Double clicking on the name has no effect.
I've also noticed that the 1939 census is no longer listed as an option.
This was all working OK last week.
My OS is Windows 10  and my FH version is 6.2.7
My AS version is 7.3.3 (64 bit)
Any help will be appreciated, thank-you


Re: Ancestral Sources

Mike Tate
 

Hi Doug,

You cannot select an Individual until you have selected a Type, Region & Year.

The 1939 UK Register is now listed in the Type: Register option.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Doug Byway
Sent: 16 March 2022 11:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Ancestral Sources

 

Hello,
I am having problems with loading census info. in Ancestral Sources.
When I open AS my Project Individual Details are displayed OK, but when I try to select an individual, the Select button is greyed out. Double clicking on the name has no effect.
I've also noticed that the 1939 census is no longer listed as an option.
This was all working OK last week.
My OS is Windows 10  and my FH version is 6.2.7
My AS version is 7.3.3 (64 bit)
Any help will be appreciated, thank-you


Ancestral Sources

Doug Byway
 

Hello,
I am having problems with loading census info. in Ancestral Sources.
When I open AS my Project Individual Details are displayed OK, but when I try to select an individual, the Select button is greyed out. Double clicking on the name has no effect.
I've also noticed that the 1939 census is no longer listed as an option.
This was all working OK last week.
My OS is Windows 10  and my FH version is 6.2.7
My AS version is 7.3.3 (64 bit)
Any help will be appreciated, thank-you


Re: Backup and restore plugin

Mike Tate
 

Sorry about that Rhoda.

Can you please provide some more details about what command you are actually using.

What is the full folder path involved in the copying process?

The screenshot does not show any ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin details.

Which plugin are you using?

What plugin version are you using?

What FH Version are you using?

What Windows version are you using?

Are you following the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rhoda A Murray
Sent: 15 March 2022 13:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Backup and restore plugin

 

I am in the process of copying my FH project to my new laptop and have received  the message on my laptop:

“Destination Path Too Long

Copying 2948 items from ESD-USB (D) to Public

Interrupted – 98% complete”

 

I have attached a screenshot.

 

Can you help?

 

Thank you

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 


Re: Backup and restore plugin

mikepowell1949 <private@...>
 

You need to rename the file to something shorter, if that fails go up one level to the directory and rename that.  It's a windows issue


Backup and restore plugin

Rhoda A Murray
 

I am in the process of copying my FH project to my new laptop and have received  the message on my laptop:

“Destination Path Too Long

Copying 2948 items from ESD-USB (D) to Public

Interrupted – 98% complete”

 

I have attached a screenshot.

 

Can you help?

 

Thank you

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: Changing directory for saved projects

Mike Tate
 

Also, if the FH folder is set to ‘Files On-demand’ and your PC has no Internet connection then your Projects may not exist on disk so cannot be opened.

 

That option can also be found via the bottom right OneDrive cloud icon Settings and its Settings tab.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Nick Walker (Ancestral Sources)
Sent: 14 March 2022 16:23
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Changing directory for saved projects

 

By default, OneDrive only downloads files when you open them ('on demand'). So if you suddenly run a report or similar in Family Historian that displays a number of images it may take a while for them to download the first time. So, unless you are short on disk space, it's a good idea to right-click on the Family Historian project folder in Windows File Explorer and choose the Always Keep On This Device option so that all of the files in all the sub-folders will then be automatically downloaded onto your computer. This may take a little time initially but then after this it will only download/upload files that change and you should find Family Historian runs just as quick as it would with any other locations on the computer. 

 

Best wishes

 

Nick

On 14/03/2022 10:56 Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

 

 

One important point is that only one person must use FH at any one time.

That is crucial to ensure OneDrive sync is maintained correctly.

Also, assuming you have only bought one FH licence, its terms restrict use to one person at a time.

 

OneDrive only syncs one file at a time. i.e. the GEDCOM file when it is saved or a Media file when changed.

Even a 10K Project GEDCOM file is not very large so probably something else is causing multi-second delays.

Could some other utility be interfering or if connected by WiFi is it suffering interference?

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Changing directory for saved projects

Nick Walker (Ancestral Sources)
 

By default, OneDrive only downloads files when you open them ('on demand'). So if you suddenly run a report or similar in Family Historian that displays a number of images it may take a while for them to download the first time. So, unless you are short on disk space, it's a good idea to right-click on the Family Historian project folder in Windows File Explorer and choose the Always Keep On This Device option so that all of the files in all the sub-folders will then be automatically downloaded onto your computer. This may take a little time initially but then after this it will only download/upload files that change and you should find Family Historian runs just as quick as it would with any other locations on the computer. 

Best wishes

Nick

On 14/03/2022 10:56 Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:


One important point is that only one person must use FH at any one time.

That is crucial to ensure OneDrive sync is maintained correctly.

Also, assuming you have only bought one FH licence, its terms restrict use to one person at a time.

 

OneDrive only syncs one file at a time. i.e. the GEDCOM file when it is saved or a Media file when changed.

Even a 10K Project GEDCOM file is not very large so probably something else is causing multi-second delays.

Could some other utility be interfering or if connected by WiFi is it suffering interference?

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Transferring data from a spreadsheet into Family Historian

Vyger
 

Brian, I often did this in the past using VBA within Excel to beef up the data in my four ONS's although I have not delved into the FH Gedcom requirements or possibilities. I was able to grab the full information from the Irish 1901 census as a good starting point, the 1921 has little interest to me as Ireland north or south are not included.

I think this is well below your level of expertise but I did post some starter videos back in the day facilitating Gedcom import into Rootsmagic. It was a very flexible way of getting large datasets into a genealogy program, I have not tried the FH plugin but will do out of interest.

https://youtu.be/HWWu-eq4B0M


Re: Changing directory for saved projects

Mike Tate
 

One important point is that only one person must use FH at any one time.

That is crucial to ensure OneDrive sync is maintained correctly.

Also, assuming you have only bought one FH licence, its terms restrict use to one person at a time.

 

OneDrive only syncs one file at a time. i.e. the GEDCOM file when it is saved or a Media file when changed.

Even a 10K Project GEDCOM file is not very large so probably something else is causing multi-second delays.

Could some other utility be interfering or if connected by WiFi is it suffering interference?

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Changing directory for saved projects

David Bicket
 

My experience using OneDrive for FH file storage was that it frequently caused FH to freeze for multiple seconds while the file was being synchronized in the background.  I found this too disruptive.  It would be interesting to know if you manage to avoid that.  Perhaps it depends on file size – I have a bit less than 10k individuals.  For fallback purposes, you can put your backup copy directory on OneDrive, because that doesn’t have to synchronized except once for each backup copy saved.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of mikepowell1949
Sent: 14 March 2022 09:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Changing directory for saved projects

 

Hi Paul et al, thanks for your v. quick response appreciated.  I must admit I jumped a little too quickly as I was able to solve my dilemma.  I now have the files stored on my local OneDrive, which saves to my cloud account.  My better half working on the same tree can open the same files from her local OneDrive, and we're all synced up.  I haven't yet seen any "update conflicts" so wait and see.  Now I'm a grandmaster at the cloud stuff if anybody else wants any help just let me know....
  


Re: Changing directory for saved projects

mikepowell1949 <private@...>
 

Hi Paul et al, thanks for your v. quick response appreciated.  I must admit I jumped a little too quickly as I was able to solve my dilemma.  I now have the files stored on my local OneDrive, which saves to my cloud account.  My better half working on the same tree can open the same files from her local OneDrive, and we're all synced up.  I haven't yet seen any "update conflicts" so wait and see.  Now I'm a grandmaster at the cloud stuff if anybody else wants any help just let me know....
  


Re: Changing directory for saved projects

Paul Gaskell
 

 

Hi Mike

 

There was a discussion about putting projects into the cloud a couple of weeks’ ago. The group archives are at :-

 

family-historian@groups.io | Home

 

https://groups.io/g/family-historian

 

If you review the February and March 2022 messages - accessed by clicking in the hyperlinked 98 and 74 at the bottom of the page - you might find something that is helpful.

 

Best wishes.

 

Paul

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of mikepowell1949
Sent: 13 March 2022 17:34
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Changing directory for saved projects

 

Hi all
just joined the group happy to meet you.  Can anybody suggest how to change the location of saved files.  Currently they are under /documents/, however I would like to save them on my OneDrive so they get constantly backed up.... Any ideas welcome


kind regards


Re: Changing directory for saved projects

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Move your projects to the location you choose within OneDrive, and then within FH use File > Profect Window... > More Tasks... > Project List > Choose Location for Projects...

 

There’s some advice wotrh reading at Synchronising Family Historian between 2 PCs – Family Historian User Group (fhug.org.uk) about using OneDrive with FH.


Changing directory for saved projects

mikepowell1949 <private@...>
 

Hi all
just joined the group happy to meet you.  Can anybody suggest how to change the location of saved files.  Currently they are under /documents/, however I would like to save them on my OneDrive so they get constantly backed up.... Any ideas welcome


kind regards

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