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Re: Sourcing info from my research

Adrian Bruce
 

I would agree with Mike - the crucial bits are the sourcing and citations for the bits that go together to make up the fact that X is the GG-uncle (or whatever) of Y, not the end result. 

That takes me into considering what is necessary to deal with X being the GG-uncle of Y. If it was me, since I believe that a picture is worth a thousand words, I'd include a fragment of a chart showing that relationship near to the text talking about X and Y - I presume that we're talking about some document to contain all this. If I included such a chart, would I think that I needed to document and source the intermediate links between X and Y? No - I think that I'm assuming that there is some reason for skipping over the intermediate generations - such as X being a worthy subject in his own right. If, on the other hand, you're dealing with a controversial ancestry, then the answer is different - but that doesn't sound like your (theoretical) topic.  

It's vital to have all this sourced and cited in your database. But what you actually need to print will depend very much on your topic(s) and how much you value clarity and ease of reading.

I'd just throw 2 rules of thumb in - Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should. And... You don't need to provide a citation for the sky being blue (apparently that is a Wikipedia advice topic).

Also - others are highly likely to disagree with me on topics! 

Adrian


Re: Sourcing info from my research

Mike Tate
 

None of those fragments of information are sources nor do they need specific citations.

They are ‘facts’ derived from several other source citations.

e.g.

The relationship between George and Fred is derived from Source Citations that give the parent-child relationship over several generations in such as Birth, Marriage & Census documents. Using your tree as a source is only saying the same thing, that various Source documents together justify the family tree.

 

Similarly, the fact that Tom is the fourth child comes from his sibling’s Birth citations that provide their Date of Birth, and that determines the birth order.

 

The 8 ancestors each have a citation related to the Revolution. No more citations are necessary.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 30 January 2022 18:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Sourcing info from my research

 

I have a couple of instances that I’m not sure how to provide citations.

1.        If I have a complete tree in FH well documented but in writing a report I want to say George, Fred’s Gr Gr Uncle. Nowhere, except FH, does that generation designation exist. How do I source information in my own tree as displayed by FH?

2.       Can I use my own genealogical tree as a source?

3.       I want to say I have 8 ancestors that fought in the Revolution. This data only shows up in my tree.

4.       If I want to say the fourth child was Tom, how do I source that? Sometimes a birth record will record which number of child this is but beyond that it comes from my research and my tree>


Sourcing info from my research

Edward Sneithe
 

I have a couple of instances that I’m not sure how to provide citations.

1.        If I have a complete tree in FH well documented but in writing a report I want to say George, Fred’s Gr Gr Uncle. Nowhere, except FH, does that generation designation exist. How do I source information in my own tree as displayed by FH?

2.       Can I use my own genealogical tree as a source?

3.       I want to say I have 8 ancestors that fought in the Revolution. This data only shows up in my tree.

4.       If I want to say the fourth child was Tom, how do I source that? Sometimes a birth record will record which number of child this is but beyond that it comes from my research and my tree>


Re: My Heritage links

Alsatia
 

Found it - great

Thanks very much
Stuart

On 26/01/2022 18:29, Mike Tate wrote:

I’m not talking about the FH toolbar that you have described but the MyHeritage toolbar on the dark gey line below.

You may have to expand the FH Web Search Window by closing the docked Property Box or scroll it left to reveal the righthand end of the MyHeritage toolbar.

It has options such as Go Premium, your Name, Help, and then Francais.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 26 January 2022 16:19
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] My Heritage links

 

Hello Mike

No I am in Somerset in the UK.  I'm sorry to say I am having a bit of difficulty identifying where the option you mention is located.  In the corner of the window there are 3 icons. 

1 a star, which is to add a bookmark
2 three horizontal lines with a dot, has a list of websites
3 three dots in a horizontal line. This has various options including one called options.  This options has a long list, the last one which might be relevant is International.  This has all the options set to English but I still have the same problem.

Maybe I am looking in the wrong place

Many thanks for your help

Stuart



Re: My Heritage links

Mike Tate
 

I’m not talking about the FH toolbar that you have described but the MyHeritage toolbar on the dark gey line below.

You may have to expand the FH Web Search Window by closing the docked Property Box or scroll it left to reveal the righthand end of the MyHeritage toolbar.

It has options such as Go Premium, your Name, Help, and then Francais.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 26 January 2022 16:19
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] My Heritage links

 

Hello Mike

No I am in Somerset in the UK.  I'm sorry to say I am having a bit of difficulty identifying where the option you mention is located.  In the corner of the window there are 3 icons. 

1 a star, which is to add a bookmark
2 three horizontal lines with a dot, has a list of websites
3 three dots in a horizontal line. This has various options including one called options.  This options has a long list, the last one which might be relevant is International.  This has all the options set to English but I still have the same problem.

Maybe I am looking in the wrong place

Many thanks for your help

Stuart


Re: My Heritage links

Alsatia
 

Hello Mike

No I am in Somerset in the UK.  I'm sorry to say I am having a bit of difficulty identifying where the option you mention is located.  In the corner of the window there are 3 icons. 

1 a star, which is to add a bookmark
2 three horizontal lines with a dot, has a list of websites
3 three dots in a horizontal line. This has various options including one called options.  This options has a long list, the last one which might be relevant is International.  This has all the options set to English but I still have the same problem.

Maybe I am looking in the wrong place

Many thanks for your help

Stuart



On 26/01/2022 14:50, Mike Tate wrote:

Hi Stuart,

I guess you may be based in Alsace?

MyHeritage is probably setting the language based on your location.

In the top right corner, there is an option to set the language.

Does that solve the problem for you?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 26 January 2022 12:49
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] My Heritage links

 

Hi

When I hover the cursor over the link associated with an individual  (the small green icon) I get the Find my Past and My Heritage web search matches.  The Find my Past links work fine showing the information in the Family Historian window.   The My Heritage links also work fine - the only snag is that they are all in French.  How can I see these in English please?

Many thanks
Stuart Barker



Re: My Heritage links

Mike Tate
 

Hi Stuart,

I guess you may be based in Alsace?

MyHeritage is probably setting the language based on your location.

In the top right corner, there is an option to set the language.

Does that solve the problem for you?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Alsatia
Sent: 26 January 2022 12:49
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] My Heritage links

 

Hi

When I hover the cursor over the link associated with an individual  (the small green icon) I get the Find my Past and My Heritage web search matches.  The Find my Past links work fine showing the information in the Family Historian window.   The My Heritage links also work fine - the only snag is that they are all in French.  How can I see these in English please?

Many thanks
Stuart Barker


My Heritage links

Alsatia
 

Hi

When I hover the cursor over the link associated with an individual  (the small green icon) I get the Find my Past and My Heritage web search matches.  The Find my Past links work fine showing the information in the Family Historian window.   The My Heritage links also work fine - the only snag is that they are all in French.  How can I see these in English please?

Many thanks
Stuart Barker


Re: New Computer and operating system

clark_william2@...
 

Good morning Mike and thank you so much for the information and advice. The problem is now fixed and I am up and running correctly. really great to know specialist is available. Thanks
Bill 


Re: New Computer and operating system

Mike Tate
 

The problem with hints is due to reverting to FH V6.2 ~ DO NOT USE THIS VERSION WITH YOUR FH V7 PROJECTS!

I suspect you have used an installation file named such as install_fh6.2.7_dl.exe

Whereas you should use an installation file named such as install_fh7.0.9.0.exe that was downloaded last year when you got the free upgrade.

Alternatively, download it from https://www.family-historian.co.uk/install7

You must use the FH account and activation code provided last year with FH V7.

 

Once you have FH V7 installed you need to migrate your Projects and your custom setting from the old PC to the new PC.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide’ for details:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/

If you have questions about that then please ask again.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of clark_william2 via groups.io
Sent: 25 January 2022 10:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] New Computer and operating system

 

Hi I purchased Family Historian 6.2 and installed it on my desk top in 2021, I was subsequently allowed to update it for free to version 7. However since then I have obtained a new computer and changed my operating system to Windows 11. I have installed Family Historian to my new computer but is showing as Version 6.2. I also have a problem whereby hints to Find My Past and My Heritage, both of which I subscribe to, do not open the sites when I click on them. Is anyone able to help me, I am not a very competent computer user. Thanks.


New Computer and operating system

clark_william2@...
 

Hi I purchased Family Historian 6.2 and installed it on my desk top in 2021, I was subsequently allowed to update it for free to version 7. However since then I have obtained a new computer and changed my operating system to Windows 11. I have installed Family Historian to my new computer but is showing as Version 6.2. I also have a problem whereby hints to Find My Past and My Heritage, both of which I subscribe to, do not open the sites when I click on them. Is anyone able to help me, I am not a very competent computer user. Thanks.


Re: Creating Charts and Reports / Spreadsheets - Names, Birth Dates, Marriage Anniversary Dates, Death Dates

Dee
 

It works!

Thank you very much!


Re: Template Error in GedSite after TMG import

John Cardinal
 

Linda,

 

Forgot to include this: GedSite does support FH functions. However, it does not support all of them, just the more common ones. You can read about GedSite's support for FH data references and function on this help page: https://gedsite.com/en/familyhistorian.htm#data-references-and-functions

 

FH issues that are specific to GedSite should be posted directly to me or on the GS-L mailing list.

 

John Cardinal

 

Products: ORA, GedSite, Gedcom Publisher, Second Site, TMG Utility, TMG to GEDCOM

Web Hosting for Genealogists: Family History Hosting

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From: John Cardinal <jfcardinal@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:52 AM
To: 'family-historian@groups.io' <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: RE: [family-historian] Template Error in GedSite after TMG import

 

Linda,

 

I have contacted Carl offline and I will report back here once we know what is happening.

 

John Cardinal

 

Products: ORA, GedSite, Gedcom Publisher, Second Site, TMG Utility, TMG to GEDCOM

Web Hosting for Genealogists: Family History Hosting

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From: Linda Reinfeld <linda.reinfeld@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:11 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io; John Cardinal <jfcardinal@...>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Template Error in GedSite after TMG import

 

John - 

 

I am having the same problem as Carl. 

 

From the application log:

2022-01-18 22:33:14,204 ERROR JohnCardinal.Genealogy.FormatSourceWithTemplate - Error parsing Census US template '{%SOUR.TITL%}, {Town}, {County}, {State}, <{Citation_Detail}>': variable 'SOUR.TITL'

 

 

I hadn't posted yet because I wasn't sure which list to post on - GedSite or FH.

 

There are also errors with GedSite parsing sentence templates.

 

Linda Reinfeld

 

On 01/19/2022 10:57 AM John Cardinal <jfcardinal@...> wrote:

 

 

Carl,

I doubt anyone here can help you, and the screenshot doesn't help. We've already discussed in a direct email exchange, and I think we should continue the discussion that way. I'll contact you directly. _._,_._,_


Re: Template Error in GedSite after TMG import

John Cardinal
 

Linda,

 

I have contacted Carl offline and I will report back here once we know what is happening.

 

John Cardinal

 

Products: ORA, GedSite, Gedcom Publisher, Second Site, TMG Utility, TMG to GEDCOM

Web Hosting for Genealogists: Family History Hosting

ORA and GedSite recently won awards from GenSoftReviews: https://www.gensoftreviews.com/awards.php

 

From: Linda Reinfeld <linda.reinfeld@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 11:11 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io; John Cardinal <jfcardinal@...>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Template Error in GedSite after TMG import

 

John - 

 

I am having the same problem as Carl. 

 

From the application log:

2022-01-18 22:33:14,204 ERROR JohnCardinal.Genealogy.FormatSourceWithTemplate - Error parsing Census US template '{%SOUR.TITL%}, {Town}, {County}, {State}, <{Citation_Detail}>': variable 'SOUR.TITL'

 

 

I hadn't posted yet because I wasn't sure which list to post on - GedSite or FH.

 

There are also errors with GedSite parsing sentence templates.

 

Linda Reinfeld

 

On 01/19/2022 10:57 AM John Cardinal <jfcardinal@...> wrote:

 

 

Carl,

I doubt anyone here can help you, and the screenshot doesn't help. We've already discussed in a direct email exchange, and I think we should continue the discussion that way. I'll contact you directly. _._,_._,_


Re: Template Error in GedSite after TMG import

John Cardinal
 

Carl,

I doubt anyone here can help you, and the screenshot doesn't help. We've already discussed in a direct email exchange, and I think we should continue the discussion that way. I'll contact you directly.


Template Error in GedSite after TMG import

Carl Jón Denbow
 

I recently used the FH direct TMG import routine to import my TMG database into FH.  Everything seemed to go fine.  However, once I exported using the plugin for GedSite and then made a site I find that I get multiple template errors.  See the screenshot below.  I've been struggling for the last week to figure out the root of this problem, and I'm completely stumped.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated  Thanks. -- Carl . 


Re: Creating Charts and Reports / Spreadsheets - Names, Birth Dates, Marriage Anniversary Dates, Death Dates

Mike Tate
 

To achieve those conditions for text in the Diagram Boxes you need to focus on the Diagram Text Scheme.

On the Diagram > Options > Text tab, choose a Text Scheme that is close to what you need.

The default Birth, Marr, Death is probably a good choice.

Use the Clone… button to create a copy that you can customise, and call it perhaps Deceased Birth & Death.

 

Now use Edit Text Scheme… so you can edit the Items you want to be displayed in the boxes.

The first thing to do is delete the Baptism, Marriage, Spouse Name & Burial items by clicking the X Delete button lower right.

The next step is to make the Birth item conditional on the person having died.

So select Birth and click Edit below, then change the Template to the following:

=TextIf( Exists(%INDI.DEAT%), FactText(%INDI.BIRT%,"CT","E_Born: _ in _"), )

In other words, only if a Death fact exists should the Birth fact be included.

 

Finally, click OK three times and that is your conditions

 

Whenever you want that box text select that custom Text Scheme named Deceased Birth & Death.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dee
Sent: 18 January 2022 19:16
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Creating Charts and Reports / Spreadsheets - Names, Birth Dates, Marriage Anniversary Dates, Death Dates

 

1) 1)  Is it possible to create and print in PDF a chart that has the following conditions:

·         Name of deceased

·         Death date of deceased

·         Birth date of deceased

·         Names of living people only (ie: no birth dates or marriage dates)

I have tried to create a chart in this way from the charts that are included in the software package but cannot find a chart like this. How do I go about doing this?


Hi,

Thank you for the information. I was able to do the last two spreadsheet style tables.

However, for number 1, I am looking to create a chart (Family Tree Diagram) with the above quoted conditions. How can I proceed with this?

Thank you and kind regards


Re: Creating Charts and Reports / Spreadsheets - Names, Birth Dates, Marriage Anniversary Dates, Death Dates

Dee
 

1) 1)  Is it possible to create and print in PDF a chart that has the following conditions:

·         Name of deceased

·         Death date of deceased

·         Birth date of deceased

·         Names of living people only (ie: no birth dates or marriage dates)

I have tried to create a chart in this way from the charts that are included in the software package but cannot find a chart like this. How do I go about doing this?

Hi,

Thank you for the information. I was able to do the last two spreadsheet style tables.

However, for number 1, I am looking to create a chart (Family Tree Diagram) with the above quoted conditions. How can I proceed with this?

Thank you and kind regards


Re: Surety of sources for a fact

Edward Sneithe
 

Yes I would  cite both the name and the birth event. The fact that the given name might be in question is obscure.

I can work with FH way of doing things and I have not seen anyone else having a different approach.

TMG came from a forensic background so value of evidence was very import hence the granularity and I rather liked that level of detail. However TMG is at least 8 years out of date at this point so not a real option.

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 01:27:52 PM EST, colevalleygirl@... <colevalleygirl@...> wrote:


Some people might say a fact is never proven... there’s always the chance that a new piece of information comes along to upend your belief.  Which may be why GEDCOM doesn’t define any way of marking a Fact as Proven.  You do have Fact Flags as I think Mike T mentioned earlier.  (Preferred, Rejected, Tentative or Private). You could mark the facts you don’t feel are ‘proven’ as Tentative.

 

In the case of the birth where the name is not available at registration, you only have evidence for the birth date/place/parents etc. Wouldn’t you cite a source for the name against the Name, not the birth fact?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 18 January 2022 18:12
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Surety of sources for a fact

 

Thank you everyone,

 

I am using FH7. I don't see anywhere that I can say a fact is proven. It seems to be by default?. The values associated with evidence such as direct, indirect, primary, secondary, etc. I can only see if I open the citation itself?

 

Also in case of  birth where the given name was not available yet I should classify the entire record as ?

 

FH7 still does not seem to have the granularity that TMG did and therefore my ability to assess the data that I have is also more difficult to ascertain.

 

On Monday, January 17, 2022, 02:58:52 PM EST, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

 

 

Even if FH V6 every Citation has an Assessment setting exactly as defined in GEDCOM with four options.


Re: Surety of sources for a fact

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Some people might say a fact is never proven... there’s always the chance that a new piece of information comes along to upend your belief.  Which may be why GEDCOM doesn’t define any way of marking a Fact as Proven.  You do have Fact Flags as I think Mike T mentioned earlier.  (Preferred, Rejected, Tentative or Private). You could mark the facts you don’t feel are ‘proven’ as Tentative.

 

In the case of the birth where the name is not available at registration, you only have evidence for the birth date/place/parents etc. Wouldn’t you cite a source for the name against the Name, not the birth fact?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 18 January 2022 18:12
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Surety of sources for a fact

 

Thank you everyone,

 

I am using FH7. I don't see anywhere that I can say a fact is proven. It seems to be by default?. The values associated with evidence such as direct, indirect, primary, secondary, etc. I can only see if I open the citation itself?

 

Also in case of  birth where the given name was not available yet I should classify the entire record as ?

 

FH7 still does not seem to have the granularity that TMG did and therefore my ability to assess the data that I have is also more difficult to ascertain.

 

On Monday, January 17, 2022, 02:58:52 PM EST, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

 

 

Even if FH V6 every Citation has an Assessment setting exactly as defined in GEDCOM with four options.

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