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Re: Import from TMG froze during Citation import

Mike Tate
 

OK, your choice, but it is not so easy to post screenshot images or cross-refer to the FHUG Knowledge Base as it is in the FHUG Forum.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Constance Chappell Horne
Sent: 16 January 2022 18:26
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Import from TMG froze during Citation import

 

Ok. I like Groups.IO better anyway.

C


Re: Import from TMG froze during Citation import

Constance Chappell Horne
 

Ok. I like Groups.IO better anyway.

C


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Paul White
 

I'd bet you will, John :D


Re: Import from TMG froze during Citation import

Mike Tate
 

Hi Constance,

As a newcomer you won’t know, but the general advice is to only post a problem here or in the FHUG Forum but not both.

The same experienced users monitor both, so there is no advantage in posting in both.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Constance Chappell Horne
Sent: 15 January 2022 22:23
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Import from TMG froze during Citation import

 

I downloaded the trial version and attempted an import from TMG. It failed during the Citation import at 5191/ 7657.

Any ideas on how to find the offending citation?

There was nothing imported since it froze and I had to cancel the import.

Constance


Re: Advice wanted on improving my tree

Trevor Rix
 

Tom, my comment was to correct what @hectorinspector wrote.


Import from TMG froze during Citation import

Constance Chappell Horne
 

I downloaded the trial version and attempted an import from TMG. It failed during the Citation import at 5191/ 7657.

Any ideas on how to find the offending citation?

There was nothing imported since it froze and I had to cancel the import.

Constance


Re: Advice wanted on improving my tree

Tom Santa Cruz
 

Trevor,

Most of the suggestions have targeted enriching your “600”. 

I will suggest you also graph your ancestral tree and then identify where branches stopped growing.  Then, re-research these “dead ends”.  Resources have improved over the 30 years.  


On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:20 AM Trevor Rix <trevor@...> wrote:
Actually Family Historian was publically launched as version 2 in May 2002, so your 30 years is somewhat over optimistic.


Re: Susbscription stopped

David Dewick
 

Yes I think so. Success will be if I get messages back in my inbox. 🙂


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Re: Susbscription stopped

Neil Grantham
 

This sort of thing can happen if your email provider tweaks it's spam filters, so the email from the Groups.io domain suddenly goes to spam.

I once inadvertently marked a Mail as spam and then had to go through the 'remove' process.

I also find emails in spam occasionally and have the option to mark as 'Not Spam and safe sender' or safe domain, though these opines for some reason don't trigger the removal.


Best Wishes

Neil

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From: Brian Bottomley via groups.io
Sent: Jan 15, 2022 at 11:01 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Susbscription stopped

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Re: Susbscription stopped

Brian Bottomley
 

Similar to others I received the following:

"Hello,

Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many reasons, including:

- We have an incorrect email address for you.
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On 15/01/2022 10:05, David Dewick wrote:

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Re: Susbscription stopped

Neil Grantham
 

You should be OK. Your message got through.

If there's a way to mark anything with @groups.io as not spam, then do that.


Best Wishes

Neil

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From: Derek Kain
Sent: Jan 15, 2022 at 10:15 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Susbscription stopped

Hello David, Yes there were two emails in spam moved them and clicked on Resume Subscription. Is that all I need to do?
Derek

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Re: Susbscription stopped

Derek Kain
 

Hello David, Yes there were two emails in spam moved them and clicked on Resume Subscription. Is that all I need to do?
Derek

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Susbscription stopped

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Re: Advice wanted on improving my tree

Trevor Rix
 

Actually Family Historian was publically launched as version 2 in May 2002, so your 30 years is somewhat over optimistic.


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

@JoopvB
 

I am sorry Helen and Lorna; mixing up names is a genealogist's nightmare. Won't happen again (I hope :)).

Cheers, Jurriaan


Re: Advice wanted on improving my tree

Michael Thomas
 

Please excuse my interjection.

I have been following this group after asking Mike Tate (sp.?) a question
months ago. You are all way ahead of me !



Lorna has raised an excellent point about the ‘extra bits of information
about other people’ on a single document.

This resonated with me as it happened to me yesterday. You will know that
the 1921 Census has just become available so I decided to explore my
paternal line as I have neglected this.

Straightaway I came across my grandparents’ marriage certificate which was
fine except that I had not looked carefully at the witnesses. One was a
familiar great-aunt, but the other was quite new to me and carrying my
family surname.

I called a cousin who is related to the cosignatory – nothing at all except
surprise. Now I must start from scratch without even a birth or death
date/year.



Lorna’s methodology seems totally logical to me.

Best wishes,



Michael Thomas



From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of
Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 13 January 2022 20:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Advice wanted on improving my tree



My approach would be to take each document in turn, rather than each
individual.

Some documents contain a lot of extra information about other people, which
you might miss if you are concentrating on one person at a time. For
example a birth certificate gives not only the date and place of birth of
one individual but also the names of their parents and the father's
occupation. (A Scottish birth certificate even gives the date of marriage of
the parents!) Similarly a marriage certificate gives the names and
occupations of the fathers of the bride and groom. These extra bits of
information about other people can all be gleaned from the one document,
which can be cited as the source for all of them. Make sure you extract all
the information you can from each document. The Ancestral Sources program
is designed to help with this task and automate the process of creating a
Source record and linking the image of the document to it. It is ideal for
handling censuses, which as you say can refer to many members of the same
family.

If you move the image of each document into the FH Media folder as you deal
with it, it will be easy to keep track of which ones you have still to deal
with - they will be the ones left in your 'My Family Tree' folder. You can
keep the same structure of sub-folder in the Media folder as you have in
your current folder.

Lorna

On 13/01/2022 19:31, ihmorrison via groups.io wrote:

Hello

I have been using Family Historian for almost 30 years, since either V2 or
V3, and am now on V7. I have 600 names in my tree, but I have never taken a
consistent approach. I have filed many census records and birth
certificates but have not always used them as citations. I have a number of
document folders on my computer marked WIP, or documents from so-an-so, or
awaiting transfer. Every time I go into Family Historian I get side-tracked
into investigating individuals, rather than bringing order.



All my documents and pictures are stored in separate named folders within
the folder My Family Tree, and are not stored in the Media folder of FH. Is
it worth the effort to transfer and relink them all? I suspect not.



My aim is to make a reasonable stab at getting things in order, bringing
all the source documents into FH, and citing as much as possible. I would
like to think that I could handover my work to the next generation!



One approach is to start at Record 1, update it with the necessary
documents and citations, then repeat. But a typical Census page could refer
to a dozen members of one family, and there could be confusion about whether
I had brought that in or not.



My second thought is to take each document in turn, move it into FH, then
use Ancestry Source to cite each person named. Hence each document is a
step and it is easy to see progress. When that is done, it would be easy to
identify people without documents or citations.



I welcome your thoughts.



The Inspector


Advice wanted on improving my tree

Iain
 

Hello

I have been using Family Historian for almost 30 years, since either V2 or V3, and am now on V7.  I have 600 names in my tree, but I have never taken a consistent approach.  I have filed many census records and birth certificates but have not always used them as citations.  I have a number of document folders on my computer marked WIP, or documents from so-an-so, or awaiting transfer.  Every time I go into Family Historian I get side-tracked into investigating individuals, rather than bringing order.

 

All my documents and pictures are stored in separate named folders within the folder My Family Tree, and are not stored in the Media folder of FH.  Is it worth the effort to transfer and relink them all?  I suspect not. 

 

My aim is to make a reasonable stab at getting things in order, bringing all the source documents into FH, and citing as much as possible.  I would like to think that I could handover my work to the next generation!

 

One approach is to start at Record 1, update it with the necessary documents and citations, then repeat.  But a typical Census page could refer to a dozen members of one family, and there could be confusion about whether I had brought that in or not.

 

My second thought is to take each document in turn, move it into FH, then use Ancestry Source to cite each person named.  Hence each document is a step and it is easy to see progress.  When that is done, it would be easy to identify people without documents or citations.

 

I welcome your thoughts.

 

The Inspector

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: Advice wanted on improving my tree

Michael Thomas
 

Please excuse my interjection.

I have been following this group after asking Mike Tate (sp.?) a question months ago. You are all way ahead of me !

 

Lorna has raised an excellent point about the ‘extra bits of information about other people’ on a single document.

This resonated with me as it happened to me yesterday. You will know that the 1921 Census has just become available so I decided to explore my paternal line as I have neglected this.

Straightaway I came across my grandparents’ marriage certificate which was fine except that I had not looked carefully at the witnesses. One was a familiar great-aunt, but the other was quite new to me and carrying my family surname.

I called a cousin who is related to the cosignatory – nothing at all except surprise. Now I must start from scratch without even a birth or death date/year.

 

Lorna’s methodology seems totally logical to me.

Best wishes,

 

Michael Thomas

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 13 January 2022 20:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Advice wanted on improving my tree

 

My approach would be to take each document in turn, rather than each individual. 

Some documents contain a lot of extra information about other people, which you might miss if you are concentrating on one person at a time.  For example a birth certificate gives not only the date and place of birth of one individual but also the names of their parents and the father's occupation. (A Scottish birth certificate even gives the date of marriage of the parents!) Similarly a marriage certificate gives the names and occupations of the fathers of the bride and groom.  These extra bits of information about other people can all be gleaned from the one document, which can be cited as the source for all of them.  Make sure you extract all the information you can from each document.   The Ancestral Sources program is designed to help with this task and automate the process of creating a Source record and linking the image of the document to it.  It is ideal for handling censuses, which as you say can refer to many members of the same family.

If you move the image of each document into the FH Media folder as you deal with it, it will be easy to keep track of which ones you have still to deal with - they will be the ones left in your 'My Family Tree' folder.   You can keep the same structure of sub-folder in the Media folder as you have in your current folder.

Lorna

On 13/01/2022 19:31, ihmorrison via groups.io wrote:

Hello

I have been using Family Historian for almost 30 years, since either V2 or V3, and am now on V7.  I have 600 names in my tree, but I have never taken a consistent approach.  I have filed many census records and birth certificates but have not always used them as citations.  I have a number of document folders on my computer marked WIP, or documents from so-an-so, or awaiting transfer.  Every time I go into Family Historian I get side-tracked into investigating individuals, rather than bringing order.

 

All my documents and pictures are stored in separate named folders within the folder My Family Tree, and are not stored in the Media folder of FH.  Is it worth the effort to transfer and relink them all?  I suspect not. 

 

My aim is to make a reasonable stab at getting things in order, bringing all the source documents into FH, and citing as much as possible.  I would like to think that I could handover my work to the next generation!

 

One approach is to start at Record 1, update it with the necessary documents and citations, then repeat.  But a typical Census page could refer to a dozen members of one family, and there could be confusion about whether I had brought that in or not.

 

My second thought is to take each document in turn, move it into FH, then use Ancestry Source to cite each person named.  Hence each document is a step and it is easy to see progress.  When that is done, it would be easy to identify people without documents or citations.

 

I welcome your thoughts.

 

The Inspector


Re: Advice wanted on improving my tree

Lorna Craig
 

My approach would be to take each document in turn, rather than each individual. 

Some documents contain a lot of extra information about other people, which you might miss if you are concentrating on one person at a time.  For example a birth certificate gives not only the date and place of birth of one individual but also the names of their parents and the father's occupation. (A Scottish birth certificate even gives the date of marriage of the parents!) Similarly a marriage certificate gives the names and occupations of the fathers of the bride and groom.  These extra bits of information about other people can all be gleaned from the one document, which can be cited as the source for all of them.  Make sure you extract all the information you can from each document.   The Ancestral Sources program is designed to help with this task and automate the process of creating a Source record and linking the image of the document to it.  It is ideal for handling censuses, which as you say can refer to many members of the same family.

If you move the image of each document into the FH Media folder as you deal with it, it will be easy to keep track of which ones you have still to deal with - they will be the ones left in your 'My Family Tree' folder.   You can keep the same structure of sub-folder in the Media folder as you have in your current folder.

Lorna

On 13/01/2022 19:31, ihmorrison via groups.io wrote:

Hello

I have been using Family Historian for almost 30 years, since either V2 or V3, and am now on V7.  I have 600 names in my tree, but I have never taken a consistent approach.  I have filed many census records and birth certificates but have not always used them as citations.  I have a number of document folders on my computer marked WIP, or documents from so-an-so, or awaiting transfer.  Every time I go into Family Historian I get side-tracked into investigating individuals, rather than bringing order.

 

All my documents and pictures are stored in separate named folders within the folder My Family Tree, and are not stored in the Media folder of FH.  Is it worth the effort to transfer and relink them all?  I suspect not. 

 

My aim is to make a reasonable stab at getting things in order, bringing all the source documents into FH, and citing as much as possible.  I would like to think that I could handover my work to the next generation!

 

One approach is to start at Record 1, update it with the necessary documents and citations, then repeat.  But a typical Census page could refer to a dozen members of one family, and there could be confusion about whether I had brought that in or not.

 

My second thought is to take each document in turn, move it into FH, then use Ancestry Source to cite each person named.  Hence each document is a step and it is easy to see progress.  When that is done, it would be easy to identify people without documents or citations.

 

I welcome your thoughts.

 

The Inspector


Advice wanted on improving my tree

Iain
 

Hello

I have been using Family Historian for almost 30 years, since either V2 or V3, and am now on V7.  I have 600 names in my tree, but I have never taken a consistent approach.  I have filed many census records and birth certificates but have not always used them as citations.  I have a number of document folders on my computer marked WIP, or documents from so-an-so, or awaiting transfer.  Every time I go into Family Historian I get side-tracked into investigating individuals, rather than bringing order.

 

All my documents and pictures are stored in separate named folders within the folder My Family Tree, and are not stored in the Media folder of FH.  Is it worth the effort to transfer and relink them all?  I suspect not. 

 

My aim is to make a reasonable stab at getting things in order, bringing all the source documents into FH, and citing as much as possible.  I would like to think that I could handover my work to the next generation!

 

One approach is to start at Record 1, update it with the necessary documents and citations, then repeat.  But a typical Census page could refer to a dozen members of one family, and there could be confusion about whether I had brought that in or not.

 

My second thought is to take each document in turn, move it into FH, then use Ancestry Source to cite each person named.  Hence each document is a step and it is easy to see progress.  When that is done, it would be easy to identify people without documents or citations.

 

I welcome your thoughts.

 

The Inspector

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