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Advice wanted on improving my tree

Iain
 

Hello

I have been using Family Historian for almost 30 years, since either V2 or V3, and am now on V7.  I have 600 names in my tree, but I have never taken a consistent approach.  I have filed many census records and birth certificates but have not always used them as citations.  I have a number of document folders on my computer marked WIP, or documents from so-an-so, or awaiting transfer.  Every time I go into Family Historian I get side-tracked into investigating individuals, rather than bringing order.

 

All my documents and pictures are stored in separate named folders within the folder My Family Tree, and are not stored in the Media folder of FH.  Is it worth the effort to transfer and relink them all?  I suspect not. 

 

My aim is to make a reasonable stab at getting things in order, bringing all the source documents into FH, and citing as much as possible.  I would like to think that I could handover my work to the next generation!

 

One approach is to start at Record 1, update it with the necessary documents and citations, then repeat.  But a typical Census page could refer to a dozen members of one family, and there could be confusion about whether I had brought that in or not.

 

My second thought is to take each document in turn, move it into FH, then use Ancestry Source to cite each person named.  Hence each document is a step and it is easy to see progress.  When that is done, it would be easy to identify people without documents or citations.

 

I welcome your thoughts.

 

The Inspector


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

Lorna Craig
 

In case anyone is still confused, colevalleygirl is Helen, not me!  (Though I’d be happy to take credit for her work!)

 

From: colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 13 January 2022 11:29
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

No problem, Jurriaan :)

Thanks Lorna,

Every new year I learn something new! Makes me wonder what more is in stock for me.:)

 


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

No problem, Jurriaan :)

Thanks Lorna,

Every new year I learn something new! Makes me wonder what more is in stock for me.:)


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

@JoopvB
 

Thanks Lorna,

Every new year I learn something new! Makes me wonder what more is in stock for me.:)


Re: Adding a watermark to a chart

Paul Manning
 

Thanks for your reply, Lorna.

I think it has a problem with PNG files.  I converted it to JPG and it did what it was supposed to do.

Paul


Re: Making my family tree diagrams more readable

Lorna Craig
 

I don’t think there is a video tutorial which covers all the aspects. Is the main problem that the diagram doesn’t look attractive or that it is difficult to interpret?

 

If the problem is that the diagram is too ‘cluttered’ for easy interpretation you might find the Movement Control Box useful.  You can access this from the Diagram menu > Enable Moving/Resizing.  Then click the Help button in the Movement Control Box for more guidance.   This lets you move various parts of a diagram to space out the different branches more clearly, or hide them completely, or expand and move individual boxes (within some constraints).  

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 12 January 2022 10:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Making my family tree diagrams more readable

 

There are various techniques for customising Diagrams.

Many of them are in the Diagram > Options tab settings or the Diagram menu commands.

If you could explain the deficiencies more specifically then it would be easier to give appropriate advice.

In what format do you need them to be more readable? On-screen, in a PDF file, printed on paper?

 

Are these the sort of styles you might be interested in?

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/download/family-group-chart-3/

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/download/fancy-fan-chart-about-com-3/

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: 12 January 2022 01:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Making my family tree diagrams more readable

 

Is there a video tutorial anywhere on tips for making my family tree diagrams prettier and more readable?  I have a lot of relatives in my tree, but when I generate diagrams they aren't as aesthetic as I'd like. Thank you.

_._,_._,_

 


Re: Making my family tree diagrams more readable

Mike Tate
 

There are various techniques for customising Diagrams.

Many of them are in the Diagram > Options tab settings or the Diagram menu commands.

If you could explain the deficiencies more specifically then it would be easier to give appropriate advice.

In what format do you need them to be more readable? On-screen, in a PDF file, printed on paper?

 

Are these the sort of styles you might be interested in?

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/download/family-group-chart-3/

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/download/fancy-fan-chart-about-com-3/

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: 12 January 2022 01:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Making my family tree diagrams more readable

 

Is there a video tutorial anywhere on tips for making my family tree diagrams prettier and more readable?  I have a lot of relatives in my tree, but when I generate diagrams they aren't as aesthetic as I'd like. Thank you.


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Joop, your whole new world already exists...

 

FH7 supports report plugins. Have a look in the Plugin Help under Special Plugin types. There are examples in C:\Program Files (x86)\Family Historian\Reports\lua and some in the Plugin Store at Report Plugins – Plugin Store (family-historian.co.uk)

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of j.van.beek@...
Sent: 12 January 2022 10:36
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

Hi Lorna,

Yes, I've been using several workarounds for years (bundling occupations (with dates as text, using sort dates (in TMG, it's bothersome in FH) etc.). But what I don't understand is why it's not a standard reporting functionality to improve the narratives by having the option to group single dated occupation events into a paragraph (or sentence) to separate this non BMD info from popping up in between the BMD events.

As to creating a reporting plugin... if an entry point like DEA for the entry of sources would exist for reports, a whole new world would be available to us. :)

Who knows... FH8 maybe? :)

Joop


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

@JoopvB
 

Hi Lorna,

Yes, I've been using several workarounds for years (bundling occupations (with dates as text, using sort dates (in TMG, it's bothersome in FH) etc.). But what I don't understand is why it's not a standard reporting functionality to improve the narratives by having the option to group single dated occupation events into a paragraph (or sentence) to separate this non BMD info from popping up in between the BMD events.

As to creating a reporting plugin... if an entry point like DEA for the entry of sources would exist for reports, a whole new world would be available to us. :)

Who knows... FH8 maybe? :)

Joop


Making my family tree diagrams more readable

Dave
 

Is there a video tutorial anywhere on tips for making my family tree diagrams prettier and more readable?  I have a lot of relatives in my tree, but when I generate diagrams they aren't as aesthetic as I'd like. Thank you.


Re: adding individual to census record

Jane JAMES
 

Wow, thanks Lorna, never realised I wasn't seeing the full window. I wonder if it is because I usually work on a split screen so I can work from ancestry etc.
Jane 


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Neil Grantham
 

My apologies Derek, I didn't mean to offend in any way, I was making observations on similarities of the two browsers and the annoyances of users who like yourself prefer to use a none MS browser.


I obviously didn't know your health situation, and hope you are felling better soon. I only bought the NHS in to it as I am an IT Engineer supporting GP surgeries and the use of browsers is a hot topic.


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Derek Kain" <genealogist15@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 11 Jan, 2022 At 19:04
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Hello Neil,
I wish to point out that Mike gave me a lot of advice, most of which I had already done. The default browser has been set for Chrome for over a year.
Where I used the word 'preferred' was not meant to be. Not being too well, I had used the incorrect word for that phrase.
All the comments you are making seem to be irrelevant now unless you have nothing better to do. Why bring the NHS into it?
Derek

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 18:37, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

It was just an observation.

Unless you change your default browser as Mike directed you, this will always happen, as there is a big difference between 'preferred' and 'default'

The former is what you choose to browse with and the latter what will open from plugins, links etc. as that's what Windows knows to use until you change it.

Your annoyance would be compounded if you worked for the NHS as many online applications they use are coded to work with Edge, so the option to change default is disabled!!


Best Wishes

Neil

Sent via BT Email App


From: Derek Kain
Sent: Jan 11, 2022 at 6:11 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Hello Neil,
What was annoying me was that I had Google Chrome open as usual along with Family History and FindMyPast open in chrome.
Then I ran a plugin which decided to use Edge. Meaning I now have two browsers open and have to jump between the two.
It may not have annoyed you but it does me when it is doing it with other plugins and other programs.
I'm not interested in whether they both use the same browser code, just the annoyance of Microsoft Edge sticking its nose in when I never asked it to.
But it has now got sorted out and I'm happy.
Derek Kain

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 15:41, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
As an aside, don't know what is annoying you about Edge, Derek, but it is interesting to note that both Edge and Chrome, are build on the same Chromium browser code.
--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.



--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Derek Kain
 

Hello Mike,
Your comments just received are appreciated and appropriate.
Some readers do tend to miss some of the comments made and some take things literally.
I found a lot of writers to this and others come to that, write as they think and do not always put down exactly what they meant to.
Should that be held against them. I think not.
Anyway, everything is sorted now for me. You all have a nice Easter.
Maybe I'll have another problem to sort out by then. Neil, you can then help from the beginning.
Derek

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 19:04, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

The point that Neil has overlooked is that you are signed in to FindMyPast (FMP) in Google Chrome.

If the plugin opens the Edge, the FMP searches won’t work because you are not signed in to FMP in the Edge.

It is nothing to do with rendering engines or the Edge itself being annoying.

It is the practicalities of the sign in being associated with a specific browser.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 11 January 2022 18:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 



Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Mike Tate
 

Superficially, Derek did have Google Chrome set as the Windows default browser according to the settings.

But if you read the thread, Microsoft had sneakily set the Edge as the app for the .html file type as an exception.

When that was reset all was well.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 11 January 2022 18:37
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

It was just an observation.

Unless you change your default browser as Mike directed you, this will always happen, as there is a big difference between 'preferred' and 'default'

The former is what you choose to browse with and the latter what will open from plugins, links etc. as that's what Windows knows to use until you change it.

Your annoyance would be compounded if you worked for the NHS as many online applications they use are coded to work with Edge, so the option to change default is disabled!!

 

Best Wishes

Neil

Sent via BT Email App

 

From: Derek Kain
Sent: Jan 11, 2022 at 6:11 PM
Tofamily-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Hello Neil,

What was annoying me was that I had Google Chrome open as usual along with  Family History and FindMyPast open in chrome.

Then I ran a plugin which decided to use Edge. Meaning I now have two browsers open and have to jump between the two.

It may not have annoyed you but it does me when it is doing it with other plugins and other programs.

I'm not  interested in whether they both use the same browser code, just the annoyance of Microsoft Edge sticking its nose in when I never asked it to.

But it has now got sorted out and I'm happy.

Derek Kain

 

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 15:41, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

As an aside, don't know what is annoying you about Edge, Derek, but it is interesting to note that both Edge and Chrome, are build on the same Chromium browser code.
--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.

 


--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Derek Kain
 

Hello Neil,
I wish to point out that Mike gave me a lot of advice, most of which I had already done. The default browser has been set for Chrome for over a year.
Where I used the word 'preferred' was not meant to be. Not being too well, I had used the incorrect word for that phrase.
All the comments you are making seem to be irrelevant now unless you have nothing better to do. Why bring the NHS into it?
Derek

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 18:37, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

It was just an observation.

Unless you change your default browser as Mike directed you, this will always happen, as there is a big difference between 'preferred' and 'default'

The former is what you choose to browse with and the latter what will open from plugins, links etc. as that's what Windows knows to use until you change it.

Your annoyance would be compounded if you worked for the NHS as many online applications they use are coded to work with Edge, so the option to change default is disabled!!


Best Wishes

Neil

Sent via BT Email App


From: Derek Kain
Sent: Jan 11, 2022 at 6:11 PM
Tofamily-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Hello Neil,
What was annoying me was that I had Google Chrome open as usual along with  Family History and FindMyPast open in chrome.
Then I ran a plugin which decided to use Edge. Meaning I now have two browsers open and have to jump between the two.
It may not have annoyed you but it does me when it is doing it with other plugins and other programs.
I'm not  interested in whether they both use the same browser code, just the annoyance of Microsoft Edge sticking its nose in when I never asked it to.
But it has now got sorted out and I'm happy.
Derek Kain

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 15:41, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
As an aside, don't know what is annoying you about Edge, Derek, but it is interesting to note that both Edge and Chrome, are build on the same Chromium browser code.
--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.



--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Mike Tate
 

The point that Neil has overlooked is that you are signed in to FindMyPast (FMP) in Google Chrome.

If the plugin opens the Edge, the FMP searches won’t work because you are not signed in to FMP in the Edge.

It is nothing to do with rendering engines or the Edge itself being annoying.

It is the practicalities of the sign in being associated with a specific browser.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 11 January 2022 18:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

Hello Neil,

What was annoying me was that I had Google Chrome open as usual along with  Family History and FindMyPast open in chrome.

Then I ran a plugin which decided to use Edge. Meaning I now have two browsers open and have to jump between the two.

It may not have annoyed you but it does me when it is doing it with other plugins and other programs.

I'm not  interested in whether they both use the same browser code, just the annoyance of Microsoft Edge sticking its nose in when I never asked it to.

But it has now got sorted out and I'm happy.

Derek Kain

 

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 15:41, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

As an aside, don't know what is annoying you about Edge, Derek, but it is interesting to note that both Edge and Chrome, are build on the same Chromium browser code.
--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Neil Grantham
 

It was just an observation.

Unless you change your default browser as Mike directed you, this will always happen, as there is a big difference between 'preferred' and 'default'

The former is what you choose to browse with and the latter what will open from plugins, links etc. as that's what Windows knows to use until you change it.

Your annoyance would be compounded if you worked for the NHS as many online applications they use are coded to work with Edge, so the option to change default is disabled!!


Best Wishes

Neil

Sent via BT Email App


From: Derek Kain
Sent: Jan 11, 2022 at 6:11 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Hello Neil,
What was annoying me was that I had Google Chrome open as usual along with  Family History and FindMyPast open in chrome.
Then I ran a plugin which decided to use Edge. Meaning I now have two browsers open and have to jump between the two.
It may not have annoyed you but it does me when it is doing it with other plugins and other programs.
I'm not  interested in whether they both use the same browser code, just the annoyance of Microsoft Edge sticking its nose in when I never asked it to.
But it has now got sorted out and I'm happy.
Derek Kain

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 15:41, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
As an aside, don't know what is annoying you about Edge, Derek, but it is interesting to note that both Edge and Chrome, are build on the same Chromium browser code.
--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.



--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Derek Kain
 

Hello Neil,
What was annoying me was that I had Google Chrome open as usual along with  Family History and FindMyPast open in chrome.
Then I ran a plugin which decided to use Edge. Meaning I now have two browsers open and have to jump between the two.
It may not have annoyed you but it does me when it is doing it with other plugins and other programs.
I'm not  interested in whether they both use the same browser code, just the annoyance of Microsoft Edge sticking its nose in when I never asked it to.
But it has now got sorted out and I'm happy.
Derek Kain

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 15:41, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
As an aside, don't know what is annoying you about Edge, Derek, but it is interesting to note that both Edge and Chrome, are build on the same Chromium browser code.
--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: adding individual to census record

Lorna Craig
 

Jane, In your screenshot the Note Window is quite small so you are not seeing the full toolbar.  If you expand the width of that small window more icons at the top will be revealed.....

 

From: Jane JAMES
Sent: 11 January 2022 15:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] adding individual to census record

 

Mike/Lorna

 

Thank you for your help. I have achieved what I wanted but I am puzzled that I cannot see the toolbar you refer to.

 


Re: adding individual to census record

Jane JAMES
 

Mike/Lorna

Thank you for your help. I have achieved what I wanted but I am puzzled that I cannot see the toolbar you refer to. This is what I see:
image.png
Thanks again
Jane

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