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Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Sounds like a job for a report plugin?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of j.van.beek@...
Sent: 11 January 2022 09:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

What I would really like is a way to group secondary information (from a genealogical point of view as related to BMD) for narrative reports instead of having it scattered in between BMD information. Something like "her/his occupations were xx (from to), yy (from to)..." etc. The same goes for other secondary information (e.g. education, religion etc.). All the data is in FH; just need a report option to group it.

Joop

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Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

@JoopvB
 

What I would really like is a way to group secondary information (from a genealogical point of view as related to BMD) for narrative reports instead of having it scattered in between BMD information. Something like "her/his occupations were xx (from to), yy (from to)..." etc. The same goes for other secondary information (e.g. education, religion etc.). All the data is in FH; just need a report option to group it.

Joop


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Derek Kain
 

Hello BillH and Mike,
Yes I do have Google Chrome set as my prefered browser.
I also should point out that I use two screens. Chrome is shown in the second screen.
Family Historian is used in the first main screen.
I click on the TOOLS menu then PLUGINS. Open 'Lookup Missing Census Facts' and get 
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Then click on Lookup Missing Census Facts. A list of records appears and I select the person I want. Click on OK. Then I get 
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Are the above snips of Microsoft Edge or not?
I don't think I'm doing anything wrong except that something is not set up correctly and I cannot find out what?
Derek Kain

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 at 22:06, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Thanks, Bill.

I suspect Derek may be using Google Chrome by manually choosing to open it.

However, it is not set as the default browser as far as Windows is concerned.

With Google Chrome open, click the three vertical dots top right and then choose Settings.

In the Settings page choose Default browser on the left and then click Make default in the middle.

 

Alternatively, in Windows 10 use Start > Settings > Apps > Default apps

Scroll down to Web browser that probably has the Edge icon, then click on it and choose Google Chrome.

 

Now it should be your default browser instead of the Edge.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of BillH
Sent: 10 January 2022 21:20
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

I meant to say:

On the far right in Edge there are three dots (...) which are similar to the three vertical dots in Chrome.

Bill

On Mon Jan 10 2022 13:17:51 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) BillH via groups.io wrote:

Mike,

I think the original web page is actually opening in Microsoft Edge.  On the far right in Edge there are three dots (...) which are similar to the three horizontal dots in Chrome.  If you click on those three dots, there is an option to Close Microsoft Edge near the bottom of the drop down list.

Why the original web page is opening in Edge is a different matter.  If I understand correctly it should only open in Edge if that is the default browser, but Derek indicated that that isn't the case. 

Bill

On Mon Jan 10 2022 13:04:41 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Mike Tate wrote:

I don’t understand where you are seeing the ‘…’ on the screen.

The plugin produces two types of report:

1) FH Result Set (similar to a Query Result Set) with column headings No., Individual, Rec Id, Life Dates, Gen. Gap, etc.

2) Browser page (Google Chrome) with column headings No., ancestry.co.uk, findmypast.co.uk, familysearch.org, myheritage.com, etc.

But neither of them have ‘…’ on the right so I don’t know what you are clicking.

Please give me some more clues of what else is on the screen and whether it is inside FH or some other application.


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

waltonnz
 

Thank you Lorna. That will teach me to read all the information when a new version comes out. I really am delighted with this new feature.
Patricia

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 11:11, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

Patricia, Fact flags are a new feature of FH version7, so it’s only been possible for just over a year!

 

From: waltonnz
Sent: 10 January 2022 22:06
To: Family Historian
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

Thank you for asking that question Helen and thank you Lorna for the solution. I've been wanting to do this for many, many years, but never imagined it could be done. Brilliant - good old FH.

Patricia

 

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 05:35, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Helen,

 

In the Facts tab of the Individual’s Property box, select the preferred occupation and then click the cog wheel icon in the Facts tab toolbar.  Then select Fact Flags and set the Preferred flag on this fact.

 

Lorna

 

From: Helen Dignum via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2022 15:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

Many people have more than one occupation during their lives: Scholar, Apprentice Cooper, Cooper, Master Cooper, from censuses etc giving different facts at different times.

I want to make FH display the favoured (most representative of their life) occupation eg Cooper in the front page of the person and in a diagram.

 


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

Lorna Craig
 

Patricia, Fact flags are a new feature of FH version7, so it’s only been possible for just over a year!

 

From: waltonnz
Sent: 10 January 2022 22:06
To: Family Historian
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

Thank you for asking that question Helen and thank you Lorna for the solution. I've been wanting to do this for many, many years, but never imagined it could be done. Brilliant - food old FH.

Patricia

 

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 05:35, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Helen,

 

In the Facts tab of the Individual’s Property box, select the preferred occupation and then click the cog wheel icon in the Facts tab toolbar.  Then select Fact Flags and set the Preferred flag on this fact.

 

Lorna

 

From: Helen Dignum via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2022 15:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

Many people have more than one occupation during their lives: Scholar, Apprentice Cooper, Cooper, Master Cooper, from censuses etc giving different facts at different times.

I want to make FH display the favoured (most representative of their life) occupation eg Cooper in the front page of the person and in a diagram.

 


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Mike Tate
 

Thanks, Bill.

I suspect Derek may be using Google Chrome by manually choosing to open it.

However, it is not set as the default browser as far as Windows is concerned.

With Google Chrome open, click the three vertical dots top right and then choose Settings.

In the Settings page choose Default browser on the left and then click Make default in the middle.

 

Alternatively, in Windows 10 use Start > Settings > Apps > Default apps

Scroll down to Web browser that probably has the Edge icon, then click on it and choose Google Chrome.

 

Now it should be your default browser instead of the Edge.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of BillH
Sent: 10 January 2022 21:20
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

I meant to say:

On the far right in Edge there are three dots (...) which are similar to the three vertical dots in Chrome.

Bill

On Mon Jan 10 2022 13:17:51 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) BillH via groups.io wrote:

Mike,

I think the original web page is actually opening in Microsoft Edge.  On the far right in Edge there are three dots (...) which are similar to the three horizontal dots in Chrome.  If you click on those three dots, there is an option to Close Microsoft Edge near the bottom of the drop down list.

Why the original web page is opening in Edge is a different matter.  If I understand correctly it should only open in Edge if that is the default browser, but Derek indicated that that isn't the case. 

Bill

On Mon Jan 10 2022 13:04:41 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Mike Tate wrote:

I don’t understand where you are seeing the ‘…’ on the screen.

The plugin produces two types of report:

1) FH Result Set (similar to a Query Result Set) with column headings No., Individual, Rec Id, Life Dates, Gen. Gap, etc.

2) Browser page (Google Chrome) with column headings No., ancestry.co.uk, findmypast.co.uk, familysearch.org, myheritage.com, etc.

But neither of them have ‘…’ on the right so I don’t know what you are clicking.

Please give me some more clues of what else is on the screen and whether it is inside FH or some other application.


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

waltonnz
 

Thank you for asking that question Helen and thank you Lorna for the solution. I've been wanting to do this for many, many years, but never imagined it could be done. Brilliant - food old FH.
Patricia

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 05:35, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Helen,

 

In the Facts tab of the Individual’s Property box, select the preferred occupation and then click the cog wheel icon in the Facts tab toolbar.  Then select Fact Flags and set the Preferred flag on this fact.

 

Lorna

 

From: Helen Dignum via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2022 15:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

Many people have more than one occupation during their lives: Scholar, Apprentice Cooper, Cooper, Master Cooper, from censuses etc giving different facts at different times.

I want to make FH display the favoured (most representative of their life) occupation eg Cooper in the front page of the person and in a diagram.


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

BillH
 

I meant to say:

On the far right in Edge there are three dots (...) which are similar to the three vertical dots in Chrome.

Bill

On Mon Jan 10 2022 13:17:51 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) BillH via groups.io wrote:

Mike,

I think the original web page is actually opening in Microsoft Edge.  On the far right in Edge there are three dots (...) which are similar to the three horizontal dots in Chrome.  If you click on those three dots, there is an option to Close Microsoft Edge near the bottom of the drop down list.

Why the original web page is opening in Edge is a different matter.  If I understand correctly it should only open in Edge if that is the default browser, but Derek indicated that that isn't the case. 

Bill

On Mon Jan 10 2022 13:04:41 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Mike Tate wrote:

I don’t understand where you are seeing the ‘…’ on the screen.

The plugin produces two types of report:

1) FH Result Set (similar to a Query Result Set) with column headings No., Individual, Rec Id, Life Dates, Gen. Gap, etc.

2) Browser page (Google Chrome) with column headings No., ancestry.co.uk, findmypast.co.uk, familysearch.org, myheritage.com, etc.

But neither of them have ‘…’ on the right so I don’t know what you are clicking.

Please give me some more clues of what else is on the screen and whether it is inside FH or some other application.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 10 January 2022 19:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

Hello Mike,

The problem in question is when I use the plugin 'Lookup Missing Census Facts' version 4.6, it gives a report.

If on the screen at the right hand I click on '...' it gives a drop down menu at the bottom of which is 'Close Microsoft Edge'.

I did try what you suggested and changed Internet Data Matches to 'External Web Browser' but still uses 'Edge'. But then I'm not doing a data match search.

Derek Kain

 




Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

BillH
 

Mike,

I think the original web page is actually opening in Microsoft Edge.  On the far right in Edge there are three dots (...) which are similar to the three horizontal dots in Chrome.  If you click on those three dots, there is an option to Close Microsoft Edge near the bottom of the drop down list.

Why the original web page is opening in Edge is a different matter.  If I understand correctly it should only open in Edge if that is the default browser, but Derek indicated that that isn't the case. 

Bill

On Mon Jan 10 2022 13:04:41 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Mike Tate wrote:

I don’t understand where you are seeing the ‘…’ on the screen.

The plugin produces two types of report:

1) FH Result Set (similar to a Query Result Set) with column headings No., Individual, Rec Id, Life Dates, Gen. Gap, etc.

2) Browser page (Google Chrome) with column headings No., ancestry.co.uk, findmypast.co.uk, familysearch.org, myheritage.com, etc.

But neither of them have ‘…’ on the right so I don’t know what you are clicking.

Please give me some more clues of what else is on the screen and whether it is inside FH or some other application.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 10 January 2022 19:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

Hello Mike,

The problem in question is when I use the plugin 'Lookup Missing Census Facts' version 4.6, it gives a report.

If on the screen at the right hand I click on '...' it gives a drop down menu at the bottom of which is 'Close Microsoft Edge'.

I did try what you suggested and changed Internet Data Matches to 'External Web Browser' but still uses 'Edge'. But then I'm not doing a data match search.

Derek Kain

 



Re: adding individual to census record

Lorna Craig
 

Jane, you must have had the note window open in order to add the link by right-clicking.  The relevant toolbar is the one at the top of that window.  It’s worth exploring all the icons in that toolbar because they offer a great variety of Rich Text options, although you may never need to use most of them.  Anyway I’m glad you have completed your task.

Lorna.

 

From: Jane JAMES
Sent: 10 January 2022 19:28
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] adding individual to census record

 

Thanks Lorna. I had added the source record as evidence and I have now removed the plain text and created the link although I did it by right clicking after deleting the plain text as I could not find the icon - not sure where the note window tool bar is. Thanks again. Jane

 


Re: adding individual to census record

Mike Tate
 

To open the Rich Text Note window click on the […] button in the vertical bar on the right of the Text From Source box.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jane JAMES
Sent: 10 January 2022 19:29
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] adding individual to census record

 

Thanks Lorna. I had added the source record as evidence and I have now removed the plain text and created the link although I did it by right clicking after deleting the plain text as I could not find the icon - not sure where the note window tool bar is. Thanks again. Jane


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Mike Tate
 

I don’t understand where you are seeing the ‘…’ on the screen.

The plugin produces two types of report:

1) FH Result Set (similar to a Query Result Set) with column headings No., Individual, Rec Id, Life Dates, Gen. Gap, etc.

2) Browser page (Google Chrome) with column headings No., ancestry.co.uk, findmypast.co.uk, familysearch.org, myheritage.com, etc.

But neither of them have ‘…’ on the right so I don’t know what you are clicking.

Please give me some more clues of what else is on the screen and whether it is inside FH or some other application.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 10 January 2022 19:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

Hello Mike,

The problem in question is when I use the plugin 'Lookup Missing Census Facts' version 4.6, it gives a report.

If on the screen at the right hand I click on '...' it gives a drop down menu at the bottom of which is 'Close Microsoft Edge'.

I did try what you suggested and changed Internet Data Matches to 'External Web Browser' but still uses 'Edge'. But then I'm not doing a data match search.

Derek Kain

 


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Derek Kain
 

Hello Mike,
The problem in question is when I use the plugin 'Lookup Missing Census Facts' version 4.6, it gives a report.
If on the screen at the right hand I click on '...' it gives a drop down menu at the bottom of which is 'Close Microsoft Edge'.
I did try what you suggested and changed Internet Data Matches to 'External Web Browser' but still uses 'Edge'. But then I'm not doing a data match search.
Derek Kain

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 at 17:37, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Derek,

FH Plugins don’t use Microsoft Edge but use Internet Explorer and currently there seems to be no alternative available to Plugins.

I think you might actually be talking about the FH Web Search Window that does use Microsoft Edge.

You may also be talking about the green hints on the Focus Window that open the Web Search Window.

Use the Internet > Internet Data Matches… command and set the hints location to External Web Browser.

Assuming you have Google Chrome set as your default browser then FH will open that.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:24
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

Hello readers,

I'm getting annoyed with the microsoft browser.

Although I have Google setup as my default browser when I use plugins on Family Historian it opens Microsoft Edge.

Which means to use the plugin results I have to open and login to FindMyPast to use the results.

I don't think this is a Family Historian problem but hoping someone can solve the problem for me.

Many thanks. Derek Kain


Re: adding individual to census record

Jane JAMES
 

Thanks Lorna. I had added the source record as evidence and I have now removed the plain text and created the link although I did it by right clicking after deleting the plain text as I could not find the icon - not sure where the note window tool bar is. Thanks again. Jane


Re: Census Expressions

Mike Tate
 

Individual Record Flags are nothing directly to do with Diagram Icons.

 

Earlier you said you used the AS Tools > Flag Assignment command to add a Flag for every Census.

That adds Individual Record Flags to many of your Individual Records.

 

Use FH Tools > Named Lists and Record Flags… command and the Record Flag drop list will show them all.

Select each Census Flag in turn and use Flag Changing Task 3 to clear them from all Individual records.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:37
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Thanks Mike

As I said in my reply to Lorna, I may have mislead as I don't believe that I am adding flags to records just icons and columns. I may have used the word flag incorrectly meaning icon. My icons look like flags!

Best Wishes

Neil


Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Mike Tate
 

Derek,

FH Plugins don’t use Microsoft Edge but use Internet Explorer and currently there seems to be no alternative available to Plugins.

I think you might actually be talking about the FH Web Search Window that does use Microsoft Edge.

You may also be talking about the green hints on the Focus Window that open the Web Search Window.

Use the Internet > Internet Data Matches… command and set the hints location to External Web Browser.

Assuming you have Google Chrome set as your default browser then FH will open that.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:24
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

Hello readers,

I'm getting annoyed with the microsoft browser.

Although I have Google setup as my default browser when I use plugins on Family Historian it opens Microsoft Edge.

Which means to use the plugin results I have to open and login to FindMyPast to use the results.

I don't think this is a Family Historian problem but hoping someone can solve the problem for me.

Many thanks. Derek Kain


Re: Census Expressions

Neil Grantham
 

Thanks Mike


As I said in my reply to Lorna, I may have mislead as I don't believe that I am adding flags to records just icons and columns. I may have used the word flag incorrectly meaning icon. My icons look like flags!


Best Wishes

Neil

Sent via BT Email App


From: Mike Tate
Sent: Jan 10, 2022 at 5:22 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Using Expressions in both Diagram Box Conditions and in Records Window Columns is recommended because it checks that you actually have Census Events with associated Source Citations. That is what you are doing.

 

The alternative uses Individual Record Flags and was popular before Diagram Box Condition Expressions were introduced.

Each Record Flag can cause a Census Icon to be displayed on the Diagram Box by setting the correct Conditions.

Since you use Expressions, the Record Flags serve no purpose, so are superfluous, and might as well be deleted to avoid any future confusion.

 

 



--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: adding individual to census record

Mike Tate
 

If you edit the Text From Source in the Source record again you can add the hyperlink to each Individual.

Use the paperclip Icon in the toolbar to add a link to each Individual in place of just their names.

 

Also, each Census and Occupation fact you added needs a Source Citation to link it to the Source record.

Find a Census Event for one of the other people and in the Source For Citation List pane use the Copy Citation to Source Clipboard button.

Then for each new Census and Occupation fact use the Paste Citation from Source Clipboard button.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jane JAMES
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] adding individual to census record

 

Hi
I am using the latest version of FH.
I have created a census source using 'create source from template' and the data entry assistant. I have subsequently realized that the family extended over two pages of the enumerator's book and I have failed to enter two people from the second page when originally creating the source. I have now added extra lines to the table in the text from source screen but without the record link (hyperlink) and have manually added the facts 'census' and 'occupation'  in the individuals' property boxes.  I suspect this means the additional individuals will not appear in some reports. Is there a way of editing the original source so that the individuals are hyperlinked or should I delete the source and reenter it.
Jane


Re: adding individual to census record

Lorna Craig
 

Hi Jane,

There are two points here.  The first is that, having added the census and occupation facts to the extra individuals manually, you need to cite the Source record as evidence.   First make sure you are displaying the yellow Sources For pane attached to the Property Box (if it’s not there, click the yellow scroll icon in the small toolbar at the top of the Property box).  Now select each of the relevant facts in the Facts tab of the property box and then in the Sources For pane click Add Citation in the toolbar at the bottom. The choose Cite Existing Source, and select the correct Census Source record.

  

Secondly, to change the plain text name in the Source record into an active link, click on the Text from Source to open it in the note Window. Delete the plain text name but leave the cursor in the same place, and then click the Add Link icon in the Note window toolbar (4th from right) and select the appropriate individual record.

 

Lorna

 

From: Jane JAMES
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] adding individual to census record

 

Hi
I am using the latest version of FH.
I have created a census source using 'create source from template' and the data entry assistant. I have subsequently realized that the family extended over two pages of the enumerator's book and I have failed to enter two people from the second page when originally creating the source. I have now added extra lines to the table in the text from source screen but without the record link (hyperlink) and have manually added the facts 'census' and 'occupation'  in the individuals' property boxes.  I suspect this means the additional individuals will not appear in some reports. Is there a way of editing the original source so that the individuals are hyperlinked or should I delete the source and reenter it.
Jane

 


Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Derek Kain
 

Hello readers,
I'm getting annoyed with the microsoft browser.
Although I have Google setup as my default browser when I use plugins on Family Historian it opens Microsoft Edge.
Which means to use the plugin results I have to open and login to FindMyPast to use the results.
I don't think this is a Family Historian problem but hoping someone can solve the problem for me.
Many thanks. Derek Kain

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