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Re: Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Mike Tate
 

Derek,

FH Plugins don’t use Microsoft Edge but use Internet Explorer and currently there seems to be no alternative available to Plugins.

I think you might actually be talking about the FH Web Search Window that does use Microsoft Edge.

You may also be talking about the green hints on the Focus Window that open the Web Search Window.

Use the Internet > Internet Data Matches… command and set the hints location to External Web Browser.

Assuming you have Google Chrome set as your default browser then FH will open that.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Derek Kain
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:24
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

 

Hello readers,

I'm getting annoyed with the microsoft browser.

Although I have Google setup as my default browser when I use plugins on Family Historian it opens Microsoft Edge.

Which means to use the plugin results I have to open and login to FindMyPast to use the results.

I don't think this is a Family Historian problem but hoping someone can solve the problem for me.

Many thanks. Derek Kain


Re: Census Expressions

Neil Grantham
 

Thanks Mike


As I said in my reply to Lorna, I may have mislead as I don't believe that I am adding flags to records just icons and columns. I may have used the word flag incorrectly meaning icon. My icons look like flags!


Best Wishes

Neil

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From: Mike Tate
Sent: Jan 10, 2022 at 5:22 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Using Expressions in both Diagram Box Conditions and in Records Window Columns is recommended because it checks that you actually have Census Events with associated Source Citations. That is what you are doing.

 

The alternative uses Individual Record Flags and was popular before Diagram Box Condition Expressions were introduced.

Each Record Flag can cause a Census Icon to be displayed on the Diagram Box by setting the correct Conditions.

Since you use Expressions, the Record Flags serve no purpose, so are superfluous, and might as well be deleted to avoid any future confusion.

 

 



--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: adding individual to census record

Mike Tate
 

If you edit the Text From Source in the Source record again you can add the hyperlink to each Individual.

Use the paperclip Icon in the toolbar to add a link to each Individual in place of just their names.

 

Also, each Census and Occupation fact you added needs a Source Citation to link it to the Source record.

Find a Census Event for one of the other people and in the Source For Citation List pane use the Copy Citation to Source Clipboard button.

Then for each new Census and Occupation fact use the Paste Citation from Source Clipboard button.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jane JAMES
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] adding individual to census record

 

Hi
I am using the latest version of FH.
I have created a census source using 'create source from template' and the data entry assistant. I have subsequently realized that the family extended over two pages of the enumerator's book and I have failed to enter two people from the second page when originally creating the source. I have now added extra lines to the table in the text from source screen but without the record link (hyperlink) and have manually added the facts 'census' and 'occupation'  in the individuals' property boxes.  I suspect this means the additional individuals will not appear in some reports. Is there a way of editing the original source so that the individuals are hyperlinked or should I delete the source and reenter it.
Jane


Re: adding individual to census record

Lorna Craig
 

Hi Jane,

There are two points here.  The first is that, having added the census and occupation facts to the extra individuals manually, you need to cite the Source record as evidence.   First make sure you are displaying the yellow Sources For pane attached to the Property Box (if it’s not there, click the yellow scroll icon in the small toolbar at the top of the Property box).  Now select each of the relevant facts in the Facts tab of the property box and then in the Sources For pane click Add Citation in the toolbar at the bottom. The choose Cite Existing Source, and select the correct Census Source record.

  

Secondly, to change the plain text name in the Source record into an active link, click on the Text from Source to open it in the note Window. Delete the plain text name but leave the cursor in the same place, and then click the Add Link icon in the Note window toolbar (4th from right) and select the appropriate individual record.

 

Lorna

 

From: Jane JAMES
Sent: 10 January 2022 17:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] adding individual to census record

 

Hi
I am using the latest version of FH.
I have created a census source using 'create source from template' and the data entry assistant. I have subsequently realized that the family extended over two pages of the enumerator's book and I have failed to enter two people from the second page when originally creating the source. I have now added extra lines to the table in the text from source screen but without the record link (hyperlink) and have manually added the facts 'census' and 'occupation'  in the individuals' property boxes.  I suspect this means the additional individuals will not appear in some reports. Is there a way of editing the original source so that the individuals are hyperlinked or should I delete the source and reenter it.
Jane

 


Non use of default browser but uses microsoft browser

Derek Kain
 

Hello readers,
I'm getting annoyed with the microsoft browser.
Although I have Google setup as my default browser when I use plugins on Family Historian it opens Microsoft Edge.
Which means to use the plugin results I have to open and login to FindMyPast to use the results.
I don't think this is a Family Historian problem but hoping someone can solve the problem for me.
Many thanks. Derek Kain


Re: Census Expressions

Mike Tate
 

Using Expressions in both Diagram Box Conditions and in Records Window Columns is recommended because it checks that you actually have Census Events with associated Source Citations. That is what you are doing.

 

The alternative uses Individual Record Flags and was popular before Diagram Box Condition Expressions were introduced.

Each Record Flag can cause a Census Icon to be displayed on the Diagram Box by setting the correct Conditions.

Since you use Expressions, the Record Flags serve no purpose, so are superfluous, and might as well be deleted to avoid any future confusion.

 

 


adding individual to census record

Jane JAMES
 

Hi
I am using the latest version of FH.
I have created a census source using 'create source from template' and the data entry assistant. I have subsequently realized that the family extended over two pages of the enumerator's book and I have failed to enter two people from the second page when originally creating the source. I have now added extra lines to the table in the text from source screen but without the record link (hyperlink) and have manually added the facts 'census' and 'occupation'  in the individuals' property boxes.  I suspect this means the additional individuals will not appear in some reports. Is there a way of editing the original source so that the individuals are hyperlinked or should I delete the source and reenter it.
Jane


Re: Census Expressions

Neil Grantham
 

Thanks Lorna,


That has sorted it out. All the ticks and icons are now showing correctly for 1939 'Register'


I'm confused about the alternate ways to showing icons on diagrams. Perhaps I have been wording it wrong with 'Flags'?

I picked up a tip either on groups.io or FHUG on how to show census icons on diagram boxes and that is exactly how I did it. Just an expression to check for a condition and display the appropriate icon under the boxes.



Likewise, the extra columns in the Records windows to show a tick if the person has been recorded in a census was picked up here or FHUG


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Lorna Craig via groups.io" <l.m.craig@...>
To: "family-historian@groups.io" <family-historian@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 2022 At 16:29
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

The simplest way to find all the Sources whose generic Type you need to change is to look at the Sources tab of the Records window. Click the heading of the Generic Type column. Then scroll down to find the ‘Register’ types and check that they are the 21 you need to change. Then use Tools > Work with Data > Generic Source Types and select the Census and Register types and use the Merge button. If there are any ‘Register’ Sources which should not be changed in this way (because they are not 1939 Register Sources) you can make the necessary changes manually instead, which shouldn’t take long.

Mike may wish to reply to your question about deleting the flags, but the important point is that Expressions and Flags are two alternative ways of displaying an icon in a diagram, and you don’t need both. I don’t know whether the tick you are displaying in the Records window is dependent on an Expression or a flag, so I can’t comment on whether you still need the flags for that.

Lorna

From: Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2022 14:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Mike said: Firstly, the Record Flags are not involved whatsoever, because you are using Expressions.

I advise you to delete all those Census 1841 to 1939 Flags and avoid any future confusion.

Why do I want to do that? As far as I am aware all I have done is add expressions to add visual aids - extra columns to see which people have census entries added, and Diagram box icons.

I had initially thought the expressions weren't working as several with 1939 facts don't show ticks or flags, but it would appear to be to do with Source Types?

Lorna said: The solution is to change all the 1939 Source Types to 'Census' (this doesn't affect the Titles) or add another Expression to the diagram scheme, testing for the name of your 1939 Source types.



I'm not sure where I would do this!

Taking my grandfather as an example, in the All Events query, it has

Date - 29 Sep 1939, Event Type - Census, Source - Register 1939 Coventry



In the Focus Window, Fact Tab, if I click the 1939 entry, it says it is a Census and Sources for: Census [3]*



I have just compared the Citation to one of the people who are getting ticks and flags and he has Generic Type: Census, whereas my grandfather is Generic Type: Register - is it this I need to change?



Thanks for your patience!



Best Wishes

Neil.




--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

Lorna Craig
 

Hi Helen,

 

In the Facts tab of the Individual’s Property box, select the preferred occupation and then click the cog wheel icon in the Facts tab toolbar.  Then select Fact Flags and set the Preferred flag on this fact.

 

Lorna

 

From: Helen Dignum via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2022 15:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

 

Many people have more than one occupation during their lives: Scholar, Apprentice Cooper, Cooper, Master Cooper, from censuses etc giving different facts at different times.

I want to make FH display the favoured (most representative of their life) occupation eg Cooper in the front page of the person and in a diagram.
I can do a workaround creating a new fact Occupation dated just after they are born to force it to be the earliest occupation fact.
I had hoped that an undated Occupation fact might have the same effect, but does not seem to.
Is there a better way?
Using FH7.0.9

 


Re: Census Expressions

Lorna Craig
 

The simplest way to find all the Sources whose generic Type you need to change is to look at the Sources tab of the Records window.  Click the heading of the Generic Type column.  Then scroll down to find the ‘Register’ types and check that they are the 21 you need to change.  Then use Tools > Work with Data > Generic Source Types and select the Census and Register types and use the Merge button.    If there are any ‘Register’ Sources which should not be changed in this way (because they are not 1939 Register Sources) you can make the necessary changes manually instead, which shouldn’t take long.

 

Mike may wish to reply to your question about deleting the flags, but the important point is that Expressions and Flags are two alternative ways of displaying an icon in a diagram, and you don’t need both.  I don’t know whether the tick you are displaying in the Records window is dependent on an Expression or a flag, so I can’t comment on whether you still need the flags for that.

 

Lorna

 

 

From: Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 10 January 2022 14:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

 

Mike said: Firstly, the Record Flags are not involved whatsoever, because you are using Expressions.

I advise you to delete all those Census 1841 to 1939 Flags and avoid any future confusion.

 

Why do I want to do that? As far as I am aware all I have done is add expressions to add visual aids - extra columns to see which people have census entries added, and Diagram box icons.

I had initially thought the expressions weren't working as several with 1939 facts don't show ticks or flags, but it would appear to be to do with Source Types?

 

Lorna said: The solution is to change all the 1939 Source Types to 'Census' (this doesn't affect the Titles) or add another Expression to the diagram scheme, testing for the name of your 1939 Source types.



I'm not sure where I would do this!

Taking my grandfather as an example, in the All Events query, it has

Date - 29 Sep 1939, Event Type - Census, Source - Register 1939 Coventry



In the Focus Window, Fact Tab, if I click the 1939 entry, it says it is a Census and Sources for: Census [3]*



I have just compared the Citation to one of the people who are getting ticks and flags and he has Generic Type: Census, whereas my grandfather is Generic Type: Register - is it this I need to change?



Thanks for your patience!



Best Wishes

 

Neil.



 


Occupation, how to force FH to display the preferred Occupation?

Helen Dignum
 

Many people have more than one occupation during their lives: Scholar, Apprentice Cooper, Cooper, Master Cooper, from censuses etc giving different facts at different times.

I want to make FH display the favoured (most representative of their life) occupation eg Cooper in the front page of the person and in a diagram.
I can do a workaround creating a new fact Occupation dated just after they are born to force it to be the earliest occupation fact.
I had hoped that an undated Occupation fact might have the same effect, but does not seem to.
Is there a better way?
Using FH7.0.9


Re: Census Expressions

Neil Grantham
 

Mike said: Firstly, the Record Flags are not involved whatsoever, because you are using Expressions.

I advise you to delete all those Census 1841 to 1939 Flags and avoid any future confusion.


Why do I want to do that? As far as I am aware all I have done is add expressions to add visual aids - extra columns to see which people have census entries added, and Diagram box icons.

I had initially thought the expressions weren't working as several with 1939 facts don't show ticks or flags, but it would appear to be to do with Source Types?


Lorna said: The solution is to change all the 1939 Source Types to 'Census' (this doesn't affect the Titles) or add another Expression to the diagram scheme, testing for the name of your 1939 Source types.


I'm not sure where I would do this!

Taking my grandfather as an example, in the All Events query, it has

Date - 29 Sep 1939, Event Type - Census, Source - Register 1939 Coventry


In the Focus Window, Fact Tab, if I click the 1939 entry, it says it is a Census and Sources for: Census [3]*


I have just compared the Citation to one of the people who are getting ticks and flags and he has Generic Type: Census, whereas my grandfather is Generic Type: Register - is it this I need to change?


Thanks for your patience!


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Lorna Craig via groups.io" <l.m.craig@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Monday, 10 Jan, 2022 At 11:34
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Neil,

In your earlier message you said that in AS you "....found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked)". So the problem definitely lies with the sources for the other 21 people.


The AS filter allows you to specify what the Source Title contains. It is the generic Source Type which matters for the purposes of the Expression in the diagram scheme, but I suspect that your Source Titles and Source Types are the same. If you were filtering for Titles which contain 'Census' that would explain why it didn't find the ones containing '1939 Register' instead. I suspect that if you look at those sources you will also find that their generic Source Type has been set to '1939 Register' (or perhaps they have no Type set at all).


The solution is to change all the 1939 Source Types to 'Census' (this doesn't affect the Titles) or add another Expression to the diagram scheme, testing for the name of your 1939 Source types.


Lorna


On 10/01/2022 08:14, Neil Grantham via groups.io wrote:
Hi Lorna


Yes, for my 1939 column in Records and Flag in Diagrams I have =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census")

If I run All Events query, and sort on the date column, all those for 29 Sep 1939 have event type Census


If I save that as a custom query and add a source column they are all listed with Register 1939 xxxx where xxxx is the name added by AS (I think?)


Best Wishes


Neil.



------ Original Message ------ From: "Lorna Craig via groups.io" <l.m.craig@...> To: "family-historian@groups.io" <family-historian@groups.io> Sent: Sunday, 9 Jan, 2022 At 23:26 Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

(Sending this again because I realise I forgot to remove an ‘image’ of a line from the bottom of the reply first time, so it will be delayed. Apologies.)

Neil,

Are you sing the expression =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") ?

You have 29 people with a 1939 census Event but do they all have a Source type of ‘Census’?

Lorna

From: Neil Grantham via groups.io Sent: 09 January 2022 23:04 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Mike

Using All Event query and sorting on Event Type (presume you meant that as there isn't a Fact Type Column), I have 29 people with a 1939 'census event' but in the Records Window just 8. So, I presume that I hadn't got AS set correctly with the Flag options.

I used Flag Batch add in AS Tools and found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked), then apply the 1939 Register Flag, but it's made no difference to the Record 'ticks' for the 1939 column or icons on my Diagrams

Best Wishes

Neil.



--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Code to Add tags to boxes in a chart

Mike Tate
 

Welcome, Steve,

What you call tags are known as Diagram Box Icons (tags have a different meaning).

There is advice in the FHUG Knowledge Base on ‘Using Icons’ with example codes:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/using-icons/

 

Most users are satisfied with just showing that a source exists for a fact rather than how many sources.

Indicating how many sources exist is quite complex compared with just indicating any exists.

 

After reviewing the FHUG advice you may have more questions.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of steve@...
Sent: 10 January 2022 13:47
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Code to Add tags to boxes in a chart

 

I have been using FH for about two months. I have recently learned how to implement 'simple' tags.
My skill level is minimal, but I have entered an expression to highlight any box wherein the individual has had military experience.

I am somewhat new to genealogy, but have determined that sources for birth, marriage, kids, & death seem to be very important.
So to help me understand how valid my 'claim' for any particular heritage, I would like to display 3 different Tags for each box on a display:
Tag for #of sources for birth (when greater than zero)
Tag for #of sources for marriage (when greater than zero)
Tag for # of marriages (when greater than 1)

Can anyone provide the code to do the above?


Code to Add tags to boxes in a chart

steve@...
 

I have been using FH for about two months. I have recently learned how to implement 'simple' tags.
My skill level is minimal, but I have entered an expression to highlight any box wherein the individual has had military experience.

I am somewhat new to genealogy, but have determined that sources for birth, marriage, kids, & death seem to be very important.
So to help me understand how valid my 'claim' for any particular heritage, I would like to display 3 different Tags for each box on a display:
Tag for #of sources for birth (when greater than zero)
Tag for #of sources for marriage (when greater than zero)
Tag for # of marriages (when greater than 1)

Can anyone provide the code to do the above?


Re: Census Expressions

Lorna Craig
 

 P.S. When you mentioned the Source Filter I assumed you were referring to the filter for the Source Titles.   But perhaps you were referring to the Record Type box?  (A Slightly confusing name because in FH Record Type means something else!).   The solution is still the same....


On 10/01/2022 11:34, Lorna Craig via groups.io wrote:

Neil,

In your earlier message you said that in AS you "....found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked)".  So the problem definitely lies with the sources for the other 21 people.


The AS filter allows you to specify what the Source Title contains. It is the generic Source Type which matters for the purposes of the Expression in the diagram scheme, but I suspect that your Source Titles and Source Types are the same.   If you were filtering for Titles which contain 'Census' that would explain why it didn't find the ones containing '1939 Register' instead.    I suspect that if you look at those sources you will also find that their generic Source Type has been set to '1939 Register' (or perhaps they have no Type set at all).   


The solution is to change all the 1939 Source Types to 'Census' (this doesn't affect the Titles) or add another Expression to the diagram scheme, testing for the name of your 1939 Source types.


Lorna


On 10/01/2022 08:14, Neil Grantham via groups.io wrote:
Hi Lorna


Yes, for my 1939 column in Records and Flag in Diagrams I have =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census")

If I run All Events query, and sort on the date column, all those for 29 Sep 1939 have event type Census


If I save that as a custom query and add a source column they are all listed with Register 1939 xxxx where xxxx is the name added by AS (I think?)


Best Wishes


Neil.



------ Original Message ------ From: "Lorna Craig via groups.io" <l.m.craig@...> To: "family-historian@groups.io" <family-historian@groups.io> Sent: Sunday, 9 Jan, 2022 At 23:26 Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

(Sending this again because I realise I forgot to remove an ‘image’ of a line from the bottom of the reply first time, so it will be delayed. Apologies.)

Neil,

Are you sing the expression =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") ?

You have 29 people with a 1939 census Event but do they all have a Source type of ‘Census’?

Lorna

From: Neil Grantham via groups.io Sent: 09 January 2022 23:04 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Mike

Using All Event query and sorting on Event Type (presume you meant that as there isn't a Fact Type Column), I have 29 people with a 1939 'census event' but in the Records Window just 8. So, I presume that I hadn't got AS set correctly with the Flag options.

I used Flag Batch add in AS Tools and found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked), then apply the 1939 Register Flag, but it's made no difference to the Record 'ticks' for the 1939 column or icons on my Diagrams

Best Wishes

Neil.



Re: Census Expressions

Lorna Craig
 

Neil,

In your earlier message you said that in AS you "....found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked)".  So the problem definitely lies with the sources for the other 21 people.


The AS filter allows you to specify what the Source Title contains. It is the generic Source Type which matters for the purposes of the Expression in the diagram scheme, but I suspect that your Source Titles and Source Types are the same.   If you were filtering for Titles which contain 'Census' that would explain why it didn't find the ones containing '1939 Register' instead.    I suspect that if you look at those sources you will also find that their generic Source Type has been set to '1939 Register' (or perhaps they have no Type set at all).   


The solution is to change all the 1939 Source Types to 'Census' (this doesn't affect the Titles) or add another Expression to the diagram scheme, testing for the name of your 1939 Source types.


Lorna


On 10/01/2022 08:14, Neil Grantham via groups.io wrote:
Hi Lorna


Yes, for my 1939 column in Records and Flag in Diagrams I have =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census")

If I run All Events query, and sort on the date column, all those for 29 Sep 1939 have event type Census


If I save that as a custom query and add a source column they are all listed with Register 1939 xxxx where xxxx is the name added by AS (I think?)


Best Wishes


Neil.



------ Original Message ------ From: "Lorna Craig via groups.io" <l.m.craig@...> To: "family-historian@groups.io" <family-historian@groups.io> Sent: Sunday, 9 Jan, 2022 At 23:26 Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

(Sending this again because I realise I forgot to remove an ‘image’ of a line from the bottom of the reply first time, so it will be delayed. Apologies.)

Neil,

Are you sing the expression =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") ?

You have 29 people with a 1939 census Event but do they all have a Source type of ‘Census’?

Lorna

From: Neil Grantham via groups.io Sent: 09 January 2022 23:04 To: family-historian@groups.io Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Mike

Using All Event query and sorting on Event Type (presume you meant that as there isn't a Fact Type Column), I have 29 people with a 1939 'census event' but in the Records Window just 8. So, I presume that I hadn't got AS set correctly with the Flag options.

I used Flag Batch add in AS Tools and found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked), then apply the 1939 Register Flag, but it's made no difference to the Record 'ticks' for the 1939 column or icons on my Diagrams

Best Wishes

Neil.



Re: Backup and Restore Plugin

Roger Oakes
 

It worked a treat - thank you, Mike.

Roger

On 07/01/2022 18:47, Mike Tate wrote:
Sorry, my mistake Roger,
The need for the md5 library module was only added recently.
Let me know if you have any difficulties.

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Oakes via groups.io
Sent: 07 January 2022 17:33
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Backup and Restore Plugin

Thanks for that, Mike.

Although I can't remember what I did 3 years ago, I did follow whatever advice I received from this user group, and if I hadn't lost all my saved emails as well, I could look it up! I would have thought I used backup and restore, but the old PC is adamant that it hasn't got md5 and it certainly doesn't ring any bells.

Anyway, thanks again, and I hope I won't need to trouble you further.

Roger





Re: Census Expressions

Mike Tate
 

Neil,

Firstly, the Record Flags are not involved whatsoever, because you are using Expressions.

I advise you to delete all those Census 1841 to 1939 Flags and avoid any future confusion.

 

To reinforce what Lorna is saying, she is not talking about the Census Event itself (INDI.CENS).

She is talking about the associated Source Citation (INDI.CENS.SOUR>).

That Source Citation must exist against all 29 Census Events and be the first in the list.

So perhaps only 8 of them have such as Source Citation.

That linked Source Record must have its Generic Type set to “Census” as required by the _TYPE = “Census” part of your expression?

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 09 January 2022 23:17
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

 

Neil,

Are you sing the expression =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") ?

You  have 29 people with a 1939 census Event but do they all have a Source type of ‘Census’?


Re: Census Expressions

Lorna Craig
 

Neil,

Are you sing the expression =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") ?

You  have 29 people with a 1939 census Event but do they all have a Source type of ‘Census’?

 

From: Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 09 January 2022 23:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

 

Mike

 

Using All Event query and sorting on Event Type (presume you meant that as there isn't a Fact Type Column), I have 29 people with a 1939 'census event' but in the Records Window just 8. So, I presume that I hadn't got AS set correctly with the Flag options.

 

I used Flag Batch add in AS Tools and found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked), then apply the 1939 Register Flag, but it's made no difference to the Record 'ticks' for the 1939 column or icons on my Diagrams

 

Best Wishes

 

Neil.






------ Original Message ------
From: "Mike Tate" <post@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 9 Jan, 2022 At 22:07
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

AS does not add any ticks anywhere.

It adds Census Events with Source Citations and optionally Record Flags to FH.

Any ticks or Diagram Icons are governed by what you add to FH as I explained before.

I explained both Expressions like =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") and also Record Flags.

So exactly which have you used and where have you used them?

The easiest way to discover where Census Events are used is the All Events standard Query and sort on Fact Type.

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 09 January 2022 20:50
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Thanks Mike

I should have explained more, as I have used exactly what you explained for Diagrams and Columns.

I was just baffled, after further investigation why AS would have added a tick for some people and not others.

I think I now need to investigate

a) Who I added 1939 records for up to now - my media sub folder shows 6 1939 images, while the Records window shows only 1 family.

b) How to use AS to rectify this

Can I have changed some setting in AS in order for only 1 of these to have allowed a flag and tick to appear? This is the confusing part as I use AS to add Census facts.

Best Wishes

Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Mike Tate" <post@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 9 Jan, 2022 At 20:34
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Neil,

Most users employ the Census Event to record the 1939 Register because it is a ‘census’ albeit not a formal National Census.

That allows all the FH & AS census tools to be brought to bear because they are just as relevant to the 1039 Register.

See FHUG KB https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/recording-from-a-census-record/

I suspect you are mixing up Expressions and Record Flags and Diagram Box Icons and Record Window ticks.

You can use an Expression such as you posted =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") or =HasFlag(%INDI%,"Census1939")

If either is true then they will produce a tick in a Records Window column.

Similarly, in the Diagram > Options > Box tab Conditions, you can use an Expression or a Record Flag to display an Icon.

So whether an Icon for 1939 is shown on Diagrams depends on you having created a Box Condition.

If your other Census Icons have Box Conditions using such as =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1911].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") then do likewise for 1939.

In that case, you do not need any census Record Flags at all.

On the otherhand, if your Box Conditions employ Record Flag Conditions then do likewise for 1921 and 1939, etc.

Ancestral Sources has Census Flag tools for managing Record Flags if you need them to be retrospectively added to your Individuals for their Census years.

Mike Tate

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 09 January 2022 20:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Actually just realised that the 1939 expression is working!

I just sorted on that column to find I have got ticks in it.

I use Ancestral Sources to add census facts, and just added my paternal grandparents 1921 census, so it shows the 1921 flag now, but not the 1939, where I do have 1939 facts. Pretty sure I used AS to add them for this event, so perhaps I missed setting something in AS at the time.

Can I now add that flag to the fact?

Best Wishes

Neil.


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Neil Grantham
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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


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Neil Grantham
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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.

 


Re: Census Expressions

Neil Grantham
 

Hi Lorna


Yes, for my 1939 column in Records and Flag in Diagrams I have =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census")

If I run All Events query, and sort on the date column, all those for 29 Sep 1939 have event type Census


If I save that as a custom query and add a source column they are all listed with Register 1939 xxxx where xxxx is the name added by AS (I think?)


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Lorna Craig via groups.io" <l.m.craig@...>
To: "family-historian@groups.io" <family-historian@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, 9 Jan, 2022 At 23:26
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

(Sending this again because I realise I forgot to remove an ‘image’ of a line from the bottom of the reply first time, so it will be delayed. Apologies.)

Neil,

Are you sing the expression =IsTrue(%INDI.CENS[year=1939].SOUR>_TYPE% = "Census") ?

You have 29 people with a 1939 census Event but do they all have a Source type of ‘Census’?

Lorna

From: Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 09 January 2022 23:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census Expressions

Mike

Using All Event query and sorting on Event Type (presume you meant that as there isn't a Fact Type Column), I have 29 people with a 1939 'census event' but in the Records Window just 8. So, I presume that I hadn't got AS set correctly with the Flag options.

I used Flag Batch add in AS Tools and found the 29 people when unticking the Source Filter (8 found when ticked), then apply the 1939 Register Flag, but it's made no difference to the Record 'ticks' for the 1939 column or icons on my Diagrams

Best Wishes

Neil.




--
Neil Grantham
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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.

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