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locked Re: 1921 census

Andrew Braid
 

I might be being stupid and missed something but how do you find the address of where people were living?

Andrew Braid 

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, 10:40 Julia Vokes <julia.vokes7@...> wrote:
As Neil says the costs have been well publicised.  The only way I can think of to save money is to club together with another relative so that you don’t both pay to look at the same record.  Also for £3.50 you see the actual document, not a transcription which might be prone to error. If you have a FMP Pro subscription you do get a 10% discount on the fees.
I remember that when the 1911 census and 1939 register was first released they were both on a pay per view basis.

Regards
Julia


On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:10, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:



I'm surprised you didn't know about the costs. It has been well advertised especially on their site.


Personally disappointed that while I found my paternal grandfather this morning who I have yet to locate in 1911, I cannot find my maternal grandparents and children even using DOB and 'similar' filters.


Best Wishes

Neil

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From: Shirley Cann via groups.io
Sent: Jan 6, 2022 at 10:04 AM
Tofamily-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] 1921 census

After being very excited about the census, and also paying a subscription to Find my Past, I eagerly awaited this morning to continue the research on my extensive family tree.
However I have to pay £2.50 for every document I look at.  Goodness knows how much that would cost.

Anyone else finding this outcome  disappointing? Or has anyone a way round it.

Thanks
Shirley Cann







--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


locked Re: 1921 census

Lesley Lambourne
 

No way round it unless you can get to Kew or Manchester or National library of Wales where its free to view. Or wait for a year or so when it will be incorporated in sub (which you don't need now)or Ancestry - once the exclusive FMP licence had expired.
Searches are free, so you can home in on the right record.
This is the same charging model used initially for 1901, 1911 and 1939

My advice is be selective and look at electoral rolls too


On Thu, 6 Jan 2022, 10:04 Shirley Cann via groups.io, <cann527=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
After being very excited about the census, and also paying a subscription to Find my Past, I eagerly awaited this morning to continue the research on my extensive family tree.
However I have to pay £2.50 for every document I look at.  Goodness knows how much that would cost.

Anyone else finding this outcome  disappointing? Or has anyone a way round it.

Thanks
Shirley Cann






locked Re: 1921 census

Julia Vokes
 

As Neil says the costs have been well publicised.  The only way I can think of to save money is to club together with another relative so that you don’t both pay to look at the same record.  Also for £3.50 you see the actual document, not a transcription which might be prone to error. If you have a FMP Pro subscription you do get a 10% discount on the fees.
I remember that when the 1911 census and 1939 register was first released they were both on a pay per view basis.

Regards
Julia


On 6 Jan 2022, at 10:10, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40@...> wrote:



I'm surprised you didn't know about the costs. It has been well advertised especially on their site.


Personally disappointed that while I found my paternal grandfather this morning who I have yet to locate in 1911, I cannot find my maternal grandparents and children even using DOB and 'similar' filters.


Best Wishes

Neil

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From: Shirley Cann via groups.io
Sent: Jan 6, 2022 at 10:04 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] 1921 census

After being very excited about the census, and also paying a subscription to Find my Past, I eagerly awaited this morning to continue the research on my extensive family tree.
However I have to pay £2.50 for every document I look at.  Goodness knows how much that would cost.

Anyone else finding this outcome  disappointing? Or has anyone a way round it.

Thanks
Shirley Cann







--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


locked Re: 1921 census

John Hanson
 

You had to pay for access to both the 1911 census and the 1939 register when they both first come out

Past history would suggest about 5/6 months before it becomes a part of the subscription - with a cost of something like 25m for scanning, transcribing and putting it online has to be recovered somehow

I shall do the essential family and what I need to be to lecture on it and then leave the rest till later - always lots of other things to do!

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

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From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Shirley Cann via groups.io
Sent: 06 January 2022 10:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] 1921 census

After being very excited about the census, and also paying a subscription to Find my Past, I eagerly awaited this morning to continue the research on my extensive family tree.
However I have to pay £2.50 for every document I look at. Goodness knows how much that would cost.

Anyone else finding this outcome disappointing? Or has anyone a way round it.

Thanks
Shirley Cann


locked Re: 1921 census

Neil Grantham
 

I'm surprised you didn't know about the costs. It has been well advertised especially on their site.


Personally disappointed that while I found my paternal grandfather this morning who I have yet to locate in 1911, I cannot find my maternal grandparents and children even using DOB and 'similar' filters.


Best Wishes

Neil

Sent via BT Email App


From: Shirley Cann via groups.io
Sent: Jan 6, 2022 at 10:04 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] 1921 census

After being very excited about the census, and also paying a subscription to Find my Past, I eagerly awaited this morning to continue the research on my extensive family tree.
However I have to pay £2.50 for every document I look at.  Goodness knows how much that would cost.

Anyone else finding this outcome  disappointing? Or has anyone a way round it.

Thanks
Shirley Cann







--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


locked 1921 census

Shirley Cann
 

After being very excited about the census, and also paying a subscription to Find my Past, I eagerly awaited this morning to continue the research on my extensive family tree.
However I have to pay £2.50 for every document I look at. Goodness knows how much that would cost.

Anyone else finding this outcome disappointing? Or has anyone a way round it.

Thanks
Shirley Cann


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

johnfirr@...
 

Could that include a Hinckley club. ? I was born and brought up in Hinckley and remember the old gas works being converted to a national centre when natural gas came in. Also an ex Leicester Poly student. Small world.
John
Apologies mods. Off topic won't do it again!


Re: Media report

Edward Sneithe
 

Mike -
As always you have an excellent solution with FH.  After trying both methods I think option 1 will give me the best results.

For the answers for Lightroom I was using version 2. I know ancient history. I had been buying a full suite of Adobe but when they went to the subscription model and I retired it was no longer a good investment. The best thing about using lightroom was that I could put all my info into the metadata and LR would then use the part of the metadata I selected as the photo caption. Helps in long term saving of my genealogical data. The metadata never leaves the image



On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 11:43:28 AM EST, joan Chopping <2choppings@...> wrote:


Hi
I am still using Lightroom version 6.13 on Windows 10 without any problems so far.

Joan chopping


Re: Media report

joan Chopping
 

Hi
I am still using Lightroom version 6.13 on Windows 10 without any problems so far.

Joan chopping


Re: Media report

John Liddle, Backwell, North Somerset - "Where the cider apples grow"
 

You could bite the bullet and subscribe to the Adobe photographer's plan which includes Lightroom and Photoshop, but if your only use for LR is the one you describe, this would not be a worthwhile investment.

As I understand it any LR prior to and including Version 6 is unlikely to run on Win 10 (it is certainly not supported any longer).


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Phil Warn <philwarn@...>
 

We will have to form a Marconi Club!

 

Phil

 

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From: chiddingfold
Sent: 05 January 2022 13:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Wrong thread to socialise I know, but reminded me of programming a Marconi Myriad computer at The Gas Council in Hinckley in 1970-1. Was first industrial placement of my Computer Science degree - then the big new thing - from Leicester Polytechnic. Ferranti paper-tape readers doing a destructive 'hope it reads' high-speed load with the tape peeling in two down the centre-line. Don't get that fun anymore!

 

Degree or not, I bow to Mike Tate's Lua scripting skills!

 

Jeff Spencer

 

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, 12:28 Mike Tate, <post@...> wrote:

Phil,

I am also ex-Marconi (Comms division at Writtle and New Street) from 1968 to 2000.

Programmer and computer systems consultant, and now chairman of local computer club.

If you need any further advice then just ask.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello Mike,

 

As some one as a self taught programmer (Marconi Co ltd, Great Baddow) day after August BH, 1966 (first at end of month) that is so useful in the way of pointers. Lateral thinking and logical thinking as a poor maths graduate and 55 years in computers, is so very useful a background to be a family historian!

Now all I have to sort out is to learn not to engage my mouth before my brain!

 

Ver many thanks, Mike

 

Phil

 


Re: Media report

Mike Tate
 

OK, I think there are two ways to go.

 

(1) Media Report

This adjusts the Media Report Options in the following ways:

On the Main tab, click Restore Defaults.

On the Data Items tab, select all the Individual, Family & Source items by selecting the first item, then hold down Shft key and select the last item. Now click the Delete button and OK the warning.

On the Sources tab, untick Show Source Citations.

On the Format tab, select Heading Level 2, click Edit… and set the Colour to white to hide the heading text.

 

Then use the Report > Save Report as… > Custom Report Type… command and give it a name such as Heirloom Media Report.

 

Those options will hide all details except those held in the Media record itself, so no Individual details are included.

To add some personal details, open the Property Box of the first Media item and on the All tab right-click the name of the record and choose Add Annotation.

That will provide a Rich Text Note in which you can describe the Individual in any way you like.

Those notes will appear under that first Media image in the Heirloom Media Report.

 

(2) Individual Report

You could attach the 30 heirloom Media to an existing Individual (perhaps your father-in-law) but they could get mingled with his other Media images unless you are careful about where they are attached.

I suggest you create a custom fact such as Heirloom and add that to your father-in-law.

Then attach all 30 Heirloom Media to that Heirloom fact instead of the main Media tab.

In an Individual Summary Report or Individual Narrative Report, you can adjust the Report Options in the following ways:

On the Contents or Main tab, adjust the details you want to be displayed but ensure the Heirloom fact is included.

On the Pictures tab, set each Max Pics to 0, except for Other: which must be greater than 30.

For Other, set the Picture Location to Above Text Centred, and Size to Custom, and increase the Width to several inches.

Tick all the options on the right such as Inc. Picture Title…

On the Sources tab, untick Show Source Citations.

 

Then use the Report > Save Report as… > Custom Report Type… command and give it a name such as Heirloom Individual Report.

 

Those options will show whatever details about your father-in-law you choose and then all the heirloom Media images and details.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Julia Vokes
 

Love the memories!!  I started a Computer Science degree in 1975 at Oxford Polytechnic and gave up after a year as I couldn’t see a future in it!!  But did learn COBOL, Fortran and Algol in that year.   Changed to business Studies,  much more me

Julia 

On 5 Jan 2022, at 13:21, chiddingfold <chiddingfold@...> wrote:


Wrong thread to socialise I know, but reminded me of programming a Marconi Myriad computer at The Gas Council in Hinckley in 1970-1. Was first industrial placement of my Computer Science degree - then the big new thing - from Leicester Polytechnic. Ferranti paper-tape readers doing a destructive 'hope it reads' high-speed load with the tape peeling in two down the centre-line. Don't get that fun anymore!

Degree or not, I bow to Mike Tate's Lua scripting skills!

Jeff Spencer

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, 12:28 Mike Tate, <post@...> wrote:

Phil,

I am also ex-Marconi (Comms division at Writtle and New Street) from 1968 to 2000.

Programmer and computer systems consultant, and now chairman of local computer club.

If you need any further advice then just ask.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello Mike,

 

As some one as a self taught programmer (Marconi Co ltd, Great Baddow) day after August BH, 1966 (first at end of month) that is so useful in the way of pointers. Lateral thinking and logical thinking as a poor maths graduate and 55 years in computers, is so very useful a background to be a family historian!

Now all I have to sort out is to learn not to engage my mouth before my brain!

 

Ver many thanks, Mike

 

Phil


Re: Media report

Edward Sneithe
 

If I have a single person that I want to attach 30 image to I can but when I try printing them out I get all the images but the data about the individual is repeated for each image.

I get this:

Name of image      Image1
:John Doe
John Doe

Name of image      Image2
:John Doe
John Doe


Name of image      Image3
:John Doe
John Doe


Name of image      Image4
:John Doe
John Doe


I have tried changing any and all parameters for the report but I only seem to add more data that is repeated

It would be nicer if I could get the person details just once and then all the pictures along with the title, notes, dates, etc for each image


On Wednesday, January 5, 2022, 07:18:36 AM EST, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:


I don’t understand the point about grouping a set images with one person to get duplicate data printed out.

 

If you just want a summary of the heirloom images then use the Publish > Media Report command.

You can then select the 30 Media records and put them in any Custom Order desired.

The report will then present them in that chosen order with associated details.

The Report > Options can be customised to adjust the text associated with each image and saved as a Custom Report Type for use in the future.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 04 January 2022 23:36
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Media report

 

I have an off the wall question.

 

I have been using Adobe Lightroom to produce a photo set of all the heirlooms in my family.  I had an older version and now that I have upgraded to Win 10 and high resolution screens Lightroom no longer works.

 

I tried FH7 media reports but am not pleased at all with the output. I cannot seem to group a set of images with one person so that I get duplicate data printed out. My father in law took up woodworking as a hobby and produced over 30 pieces of furniture that were passed down to family members.

 

Is there anything in FH that will allow me to produce a report of all the heirlloms?


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

chiddingfold
 

Wrong thread to socialise I know, but reminded me of programming a Marconi Myriad computer at The Gas Council in Hinckley in 1970-1. Was first industrial placement of my Computer Science degree - then the big new thing - from Leicester Polytechnic. Ferranti paper-tape readers doing a destructive 'hope it reads' high-speed load with the tape peeling in two down the centre-line. Don't get that fun anymore!

Degree or not, I bow to Mike Tate's Lua scripting skills!

Jeff Spencer


On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, 12:28 Mike Tate, <post@...> wrote:

Phil,

I am also ex-Marconi (Comms division at Writtle and New Street) from 1968 to 2000.

Programmer and computer systems consultant, and now chairman of local computer club.

If you need any further advice then just ask.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello Mike,

 

As some one as a self taught programmer (Marconi Co ltd, Great Baddow) day after August BH, 1966 (first at end of month) that is so useful in the way of pointers. Lateral thinking and logical thinking as a poor maths graduate and 55 years in computers, is so very useful a background to be a family historian!

Now all I have to sort out is to learn not to engage my mouth before my brain!

 

Ver many thanks, Mike

 

Phil


Re: Media report

Mike Tate
 

I don’t understand the point about grouping a set images with one person to get duplicate data printed out.

 

If you just want a summary of the heirloom images then use the Publish > Media Report command.

You can then select the 30 Media records and put them in any Custom Order desired.

The report will then present them in that chosen order with associated details.

The Report > Options can be customised to adjust the text associated with each image and saved as a Custom Report Type for use in the future.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 04 January 2022 23:36
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Media report

 

I have an off the wall question.

 

I have been using Adobe Lightroom to produce a photo set of all the heirlooms in my family.  I had an older version and now that I have upgraded to Win 10 and high resolution screens Lightroom no longer works.

 

I tried FH7 media reports but am not pleased at all with the output. I cannot seem to group a set of images with one person so that I get duplicate data printed out. My father in law took up woodworking as a hobby and produced over 30 pieces of furniture that were passed down to family members.

 

Is there anything in FH that will allow me to produce a report of all the heirlloms?


Re: Media report

RussellR
 

Edward

Have you tried runing Lightroom in Windows 10 compatability mode?

Right click on the executable file and select Program Compatability Troubleshooter and follow the prompts.

Come back if you need further help.  It is amazing sometimes how WIndows can run very old software with a few tweaks :-)

I presume that you had the software on your PC and used an upgrade option to move from your previous version of Windows where Lightroom did work?


Media report

Edward Sneithe
 

I have an off the wall question.

 

I have been using Adobe Lightroom to produce a photo set of all the heirlooms in my family.  I had an older version and now that I have upgraded to Win 10 and high resolution screens Lightroom no longer works.

 

I tried FH7 media reports but am not pleased at all with the output. I cannot seem to group a set of images with one person so that I get duplicate data printed out. My father in law took up woodworking as a hobby and produced over 30 pieces of furniture that were passed down to family members.

 

Is there anything in FH that will allow me to produce a report of all the heirlloms?


Re: Child Count

Nick Walker (Ancestral Sources)
 

Hi Brian

Personally I'm happy to have the child count saved in the source text transcription, although I have a feeling you use 'method 2' entry so probably don't record the source text? As has been mentioned earlier, you can change the census templates to have text from generic columns recorded into census or occupation local notes. AS census templates don't have facilities to record to custom facts or attributes - perhaps a future development for AS as you suggested in an earlier post.

Best wishes

Nick

On 04/01/2022 15:04 Brian Horridge via groups.io <brian.horridge@...> wrote:


Adrian

I'm inclined to agree that a separate attribute is probably best and will likely have to be a Custom one (possibly auto-created by AS??).

The point of my original e-mail was to get some thoughts before I start adding too many 1921 entries using a less-than-perfect methodology.

Brian


On 04/01/2022 14:18, Adrian Bruce wrote:
Arising from other mails in this list...

Make of this what you will but I found the recording of the count of children (e.g. from the 1911 census) somewhat problematic.

GEDCOM 5.5.1 has an Individual attribute for child count, viz:
n NCHI <COUNT_OF_CHILDREN> {1:1} p.44
+1 <<INDIVIDUAL_EVENT_DETAIL>> {0:1}* p.34

The problem with this is that it doesn't match the child count on the 1911 census form, which refers to the number of "Children born alive to the present marriage". In other words, it's not an *individual* attribute on the 1911, but a *family* attribute. The difference becomes material when a parent has been married twice and has children from both marriages - NCHI for an individual should logically be their total number, from both marriages. (Logically...)

If you then potter over to the Family Record in GEDCOM 5.5.1 you see this:
FAM_RECORD:=
n @<XREF:FAM>@ FAM {1:1}
+1 RESN <RESTRICTION_NOTICE> {0:1) p.60
+1 <<FAMILY_EVENT_STRUCTURE>> {0:M} p.32
+1 HUSB @<XREF:INDI>@ {0:1} p.25
+1 WIFE @<XREF:INDI>@ {0:1} p.25
+1 CHIL @<XREF:INDI>@ {0:M} p.25
+1 NCHI <COUNT_OF_CHILDREN> {0:1} p.44

Oh look, you might think - a child count for the family, just like the 1911 needs. Well, yes, it is but it has deficiencies:
1. There is no *date* for the family NCHI.
2. So far as I can see you can't cite a source for it either - only for the Family Record as a whole.
3. It doesn't appear straight away on the Family Property Box - but you can get it on the Main tab of the Family Property Box by using "Customize Property Box" and adding a Custom Item.
4. It doesn't appear in Narrative Reports (no idea about any of the other reports).

Why is this Family Attribute so odd? Well, it isn't an attribute in the usual way - all the usual family "attributes" are under <<FAMILY_EVENT_STRUCTURE>>and NCHI is a different beast entirely. It's just a free standing data item that is a bit short on things like date and sources, and has got missed from the report logic.

So in the end, I created a custom attribute, "Child Count (fam)", for a Family Record - this can be dated, is sourced and appears in Narrative Reports (because I gave it a sentence) just as I personally desire.

Feel free to ignore the complexities here and just use NCHI for an individual!

Adrian







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Re: Child Count

Brian Horridge
 

Adrian

I'm inclined to agree that a separate attribute is probably best and will likely have to be a Custom one (possibly auto-created by AS??).

The point of my original e-mail was to get some thoughts before I start adding too many 1921 entries using a less-than-perfect methodology.

Brian


On 04/01/2022 14:18, Adrian Bruce wrote:
Arising from other mails in this list...

Make of this what you will but I found the recording of the count of children (e.g. from the 1911 census) somewhat problematic.

GEDCOM 5.5.1 has an Individual attribute for child count, viz:
n NCHI <COUNT_OF_CHILDREN> {1:1} p.44
+1 <<INDIVIDUAL_EVENT_DETAIL>> {0:1}* p.34

The problem with this is that it doesn't match the child count on the 1911 census form, which refers to the number of "Children born alive to the present marriage". In other words, it's not an *individual* attribute on the 1911, but a *family* attribute. The difference becomes material when a parent has been married twice and has children from both marriages - NCHI for an individual should logically be their total number, from both marriages. (Logically...)

If you then potter over to the Family Record in GEDCOM 5.5.1 you see this:
FAM_RECORD:=
n @<XREF:FAM>@ FAM {1:1}
+1 RESN <RESTRICTION_NOTICE> {0:1) p.60
+1 <<FAMILY_EVENT_STRUCTURE>> {0:M} p.32
+1 HUSB @<XREF:INDI>@ {0:1} p.25
+1 WIFE @<XREF:INDI>@ {0:1} p.25
+1 CHIL @<XREF:INDI>@ {0:M} p.25
+1 NCHI <COUNT_OF_CHILDREN> {0:1} p.44

Oh look, you might think - a child count for the family, just like the 1911 needs. Well, yes, it is but it has deficiencies:
1. There is no *date* for the family NCHI.
2. So far as I can see you can't cite a source for it either - only for the Family Record as a whole.
3. It doesn't appear straight away on the Family Property Box - but you can get it on the Main tab of the Family Property Box by using "Customize Property Box" and adding a Custom Item.
4. It doesn't appear in Narrative Reports (no idea about any of the other reports).

Why is this Family Attribute so odd? Well, it isn't an attribute in the usual way - all the usual family "attributes" are under <<FAMILY_EVENT_STRUCTURE>>and NCHI is a different beast entirely. It's just a free standing data item that is a bit short on things like date and sources, and has got missed from the report logic.

So in the end, I created a custom attribute, "Child Count (fam)", for a Family Record - this can be dated, is sourced and appears in Narrative Reports (because I gave it a sentence) just as I personally desire.

Feel free to ignore the complexities here and just use NCHI for an individual!

Adrian







Virus-free. www.avg.com

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