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Advice on best practice

Brian Horridge
 

Hi all

Can I ask if (and how) people record minor facts such as the number of alive / dead children that a couple had in the 1911 census. 

When I started many years ago it was difficult to identify the names of any deceased children recorded in the 1911 but the new GRO database has helped fill in those gaps but I did not at the time systematically record the numbers given on the census returns.  I did enter all the 1911 data in Ancestral Sources but I'm not aware that it was added in to my FH database.  I'm currently working back through pre-1911 families but it's not easy unless I revisit the original images.  It would have been useful if I'd recorded the numbers so I could just run a query to identify the families to investigate.

Another reason for raising it now is the impending release of the 1921 census that may also provide other similar (but minor) information.  One fact that I think is in the 1921 is whether a child has lost one or both parents.  Again, this does not seem to be a fact that would normally be recorded against an individual but could be useful in the future if recorded while looking at the 1921 returns.  It does not seem that the number of deceased children is recorded in the 1921 census but it does record the number of children alive - again a useful fact to have available for later review.

It would be easy to create a Custom fact but I thought I'd ask others before I go too far down the wrong rabbit hole.

Many thanks

Brian


Re: Transferring Settings

Sue Paul
 

Mike

In the end I tried copying the program files but that did not do what I wanted and I have made the changes again. However, for the future I should like to understand better.

I am not stupid or computer illiterate [I start as a COBOL programmer in 1979] and have a hard copy of the user guide for FH v5 but still do not find FH setting intuitive. I need to get the manual out to remind me of the names of the panes. I really appreciate how FH works but must have some sort of mental block about part of it.

The only changes I make to FH is the look and feel [my aged eyes need more help these days] and what data I show on each pane [especially the user generated fields]. What do I need to save to restore these changes when I restore and/or upgrade FH, please?

There are a few things [all connected with aged eyes] that changed with version 7 that I have been unable to change and should like to know if it can be done. I find the taskbar down the left-hand side really difficult to use. Similarly the icons at the top right-hand side of the Property Box and the icons on the media edit pop-up. It is frustrating to keep missing the icon I want. On version 6 these were all much larger.

Kind regards, 

Sue 

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 10:02, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Yes, you could copy the C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\ folder but that won’t include everything such as the Windows Registry settings.

This topic is discussed regularly here and in the FHUG Forums.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/

Under ‘Copying Program Settings’ it recommends using the ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin. 

 


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Mike Tate
 

Phil,

I am also ex-Marconi (Comms division at Writtle and New Street) from 1968 to 2000.

Programmer and computer systems consultant, and now chairman of local computer club.

If you need any further advice then just ask.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello Mike,

 

As some one as a self taught programmer (Marconi Co ltd, Great Baddow) day after August BH, 1966 (first at end of month) that is so useful in the way of pointers. Lateral thinking and logical thinking as a poor maths graduate and 55 years in computers, is so very useful a background to be a family historian!

Now all I have to sort out is to learn not to engage my mouth before my brain!

 

Ver many thanks, Mike

 

Phil


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Phil Warn <philwarn@...>
 

Hello Mike,

 

As some one as a self taught programmer (Marconi Co ltd, Great Baddow) day after August BH, 1966 (first at end of month) that is so useful in the way of pointers. Lateral thinking and logical thinking as a poor maths graduate and 55 years in computers, is so very useful a background to be a family historian!

Now all I have to sort out is to learn not to engage my mouth before my brain!

 

Ver many thanks, Mike

 

Phil

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From: Mike Tate
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:06
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello Phil,

In addition to the built-in FH Help pages, you will find much additional advice in the FHUG Knowledge Base wiki and the associated FHUG Forums:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

They include advice about importing GEDCOM from Ancestry and writing Queries.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello fellow FHers,

For the very first time I got FH to respond to me.

I think this might be as I fear I had a circular link within my gedcom file.

FH just "knocked off" without any error message.

I use Ancestry (.com, .ca and .co.uk) to hold my tree with over 151,000 souls therein and I really wanted to teach my self the "macro langauage" aka query language to be able to do searches such as  "find the man who married 5 times and whose mother and ALL 5 wives were all called Elizabeth"!

Now that the tree is acceptable to FH, I can start on doing such esoteric searches.

Thanks for reading

Best wishes,

Phil Warn

West Moors, east Dorset

 


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Mike Tate
 

Hello Phil,

In addition to the built-in FH Help pages, you will find much additional advice in the FHUG Knowledge Base wiki and the associated FHUG Forums:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

They include advice about importing GEDCOM from Ancestry and writing Queries.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello fellow FHers,

For the very first time I got FH to respond to me.

I think this might be as I fear I had a circular link within my gedcom file.

FH just "knocked off" without any error message.

I use Ancestry (.com, .ca and .co.uk) to hold my tree with over 151,000 souls therein and I really wanted to teach my self the "macro langauage" aka query language to be able to do searches such as  "find the man who married 5 times and whose mother and ALL 5 wives were all called Elizabeth"!

Now that the tree is acceptable to FH, I can start on doing such esoteric searches.

Thanks for reading

Best wishes,

Phil Warn

West Moors, east Dorset


Circular GEDCOM files

Phil Warn <philwarn@...>
 

Hello fellow FHers,

For the very first time I got FH to respond to me.

I think this might be as I fear I had a circular link within my gedcom file.

FH just "knocked off" without any error message.

I use Ancestry (.com, .ca and .co.uk) to hold my tree with over 151,000 souls therein and I really wanted to teach my self the "macro langauage" aka query language to be able to do searches such as  "find the man who married 5 times and whose mother and ALL 5 wives were all called Elizabeth"!

Now that the tree is acceptable to FH, I can start on doing such esoteric searches.

Thanks for reading

Best wishes,

Phil Warn

West Moors, east Dorset


Re: Collaborative Working

Mike Tate
 

Tony,

Some useful advice has been offered but some is perhaps misleading.

 

Chris said: “FH7 license only allows two concurrent users and I believe not different people”.

That is not quite correct. A single FH licence allows it to be installed on two PC owned by the user but only used one at a time.

However, if each person buys their own FH licence then its concurrent use is not restricted.

 

As Brian says, it is much easier to collaborate if you all use identical genealogy software.

His other points about synchronising the research updates are also very important.

 

PC based software such as FH, RootsMagic, Legacy, etc, rely on digital communication via some common media.

You could use CD or pen drives, but a cloud service such as OneDrive or Google Drive is easiest.

I would advise against synchronising the Projects directly via a cloud service.

If any one of you makes a mistake then all your copies could be upset and rely on backups to recover.

Instead, use the cloud to export/import copies of the whole Project or branches of the family tree.

 

Conversely, online software such as Ancestry, FindMyPast, ZoomPast, etc, does support collaborative research but the risks of making a mistake that upsets the database are very similar.

You can try many of those online family tree building services for free.

The subscription service simply grants access to the online records but is not necessary for the trees.

 

So collaboration is feasible but requires careful management.

 


Re: Changing Lap-top

Mike Tate
 

Victor, you misunderstand what I am talking about, so let me list the settings in more detail.

 

The Tools > Preferences… command has 20 sections. Have you ever changed anything in any of those sections?

 

When a Diagram is displayed the Diagram > Options… command has several tabs and settings. Have you changed any?

Have you used the Diagram > Save Diagram As > Custom Diagram Type option?

Have you added any custom Icons to the set of Diagram Box Icons?

 

When a Report is displayed the Report > Options… command has several tabs and settings. Have you changed any?

Have you used the Save Report As > Custom Report Type option?

 

Have you used the Tools > Fact Types… command to modify or add or import any fact definitions?

 

In the Records Window or Named Lists have you added any custom Columns?

 

In the Property Box have you used the Customize Property Box… option?

 

Have you run any custom Queries? Have you run any Plugins?

 

Have you adjusted the size or position of any of FH floating windows?

 

If you have answered ‘Yes’ to any of the above then you have custom settings that need backing up.

 

They are NOT saved in Project Backups.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 02 January 2022 22:26
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Changing Lap-top

Mike

Sorry for late reply I have been away

This is what I see when I prompt Prefeences, Diagrams I don't see any other details you have listed under Diagrams like

Diagram > Options, Report > Options, create custom Queries, run Plugins, customise Facts, etc, etc

Mine hs alays been like this from when I first started FH

Victor


Re: Collaborative Working

Brian Horridge
 

Tony

Besides the technical issues regarding sharing the same data file(s), it is just as important to work out who, if anyone, should be responsible for the "master" data file.  There is also the problems of incompatibility between different software (ie clashes between FH Version 6 and Version 7)

It is feasible to share this responsibility but there are many stories of things going horribly wrong - especially if the people involved have widely different levels of research / technical skills.  The worst case is where a beginner overwrites the master file with automatic file synchronisation. 

As I say - it's possible but proceed with caution.

Brian

Hi.

I have just inherited the family tree from my recently deceased father who used Historian. There are a couple of my second cousins who would also like to use this data to add their own various family branches to. I've seen a few posts here of people sharing files on OneDrive or similar, but my question is whether this is a reliable way of working collaboratively on the same data when using Historian? Or, as I would need to purchase Historian anyway, should I just bite the bullet and move to a different software package?

Thanks in advance,

Tony


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Re: Transferring Settings

Mike Tate
 

Yes, you could copy the C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\ folder but that won’t include everything such as the Windows Registry settings.

This topic is discussed regularly here and in the FHUG Forums.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/

Under ‘Copying Program Settings’ it recommends using the ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin. 

 


Re: Collaborative Working

Neil Grantham
 

Chris


It can be used with cloud drives. I use this to work with the sam project on my laptop and PC


Things to consider

a) FH7 license only allows two concurrent users and I believe not different people

b) you shouldn't work on the project at the sam time


Best Wishes

Neil

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From: Chris Thomas
Sent: Jan 3, 2022 at 9:48 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Collaborative Working

Hi Tony,

I don't know if this would be any use to you, but...  I use FH on my desktop and laptop.  Each of these obviously has the data files on their own hard drives, but I keep these in synch. using a piece of software called SpiderOakONE - this backs up important files to the cloud, allows one to synchronise between two (or more) PCs - and to share files/folders with others.  Each person synchronising and working on Family Historian and SpiderOakONE would obviously need to buy the softwares to install on their PCs.

Other than that I don't know of any way to share the work using independent software - you may need to move to one of the online resources (Ancestry, FindMyPast, etc.) that allow you to give permissions to other users.

Regards,

Chris


On 03/01/2022 09:25, Tony Chronnell wrote:
Hi.

I have just inherited the family tree from my recently deceased father who used Historian. There are a couple of my second cousins who would also like to use this data to add their own various family branches to. I've seen a few posts here of people sharing files on OneDrive or similar, but my question is whether this is a reliable way of working collaboratively on the same data when using Historian? Or, as I would need to purchase Historian anyway, should I just bite the bullet and move to a different software package?

Thanks in advance,

Tony



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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Collaborative Working

Chris Thomas
 

Hi Tony,

I don't know if this would be any use to you, but...  I use FH on my desktop and laptop.  Each of these obviously has the data files on their own hard drives, but I keep these in synch. using a piece of software called SpiderOakONE - this backs up important files to the cloud, allows one to synchronise between two (or more) PCs - and to share files/folders with others.  Each person synchronising and working on Family Historian and SpiderOakONE would obviously need to buy the softwares to install on their PCs.

Other than that I don't know of any way to share the work using independent software - you may need to move to one of the online resources (Ancestry, FindMyPast, etc.) that allow you to give permissions to other users.

Regards,

Chris


On 03/01/2022 09:25, Tony Chronnell wrote:
Hi.

I have just inherited the family tree from my recently deceased father who used Historian. There are a couple of my second cousins who would also like to use this data to add their own various family branches to. I've seen a few posts here of people sharing files on OneDrive or similar, but my question is whether this is a reliable way of working collaboratively on the same data when using Historian? Or, as I would need to purchase Historian anyway, should I just bite the bullet and move to a different software package?

Thanks in advance,

Tony


Collaborative Working

Tony Chronnell
 

Hi.

I have just inherited the family tree from my recently deceased father who used Historian. There are a couple of my second cousins who would also like to use this data to add their own various family branches to. I've seen a few posts here of people sharing files on OneDrive or similar, but my question is whether this is a reliable way of working collaboratively on the same data when using Historian? Or, as I would need to purchase Historian anyway, should I just bite the bullet and move to a different software package?

Thanks in advance,

Tony


Re: Family Historian Hints for Find my past

Ian Leat
 

Hi Colin,

I had the same problem. Clearing the cache and cookies from my default browser resolved the problem.

Kind Regards,

Ian


Re: Changing Lap-top

Victor Markham
 

Mike

Sorry for late reply I have been away

This is what I see when I prompt Prefeences, Diagrams I don't see any other details you have listed under Diagrams like

Diagram > Options, Report > Options, create custom Queries, run Plugins, customise Facts, etc, etc

Mine hs alays been like this from when I first started FH

Victor

On 31/12/2021 6:22 pm, Mike Tate wrote:

Victor, you don’t directly access that folder or the registry but that is where FH saves most of its settings.

Do you use Tools > Preferences, Diagram > Options, Report > Options, create custom Queries, run Plugins, customise Facts, etc, etc.

All those custom settings are saved automatically by FH in C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\ or the Windows Registry.

In the same way that FH saves your database changes in the GEDCOM file without you ever needing to access the project folder.

So I say again, I believe you are NOT preserving your custom settings.

Ignore my warning at your own risk.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 31 December 2021 17:53
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Changing Lap-top

 

Mike

In that case I have never done ant custom settings have never accessed the link you gave

Victor

On 31/12/2021 4:45 pm, Mike Tate wrote:

Victor, the Family Historian Projects folder does NOT include many custom settings.

Most are in C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\ and the Windows Registry.

So I believe you are NOT preserving your custom settings.


Transferring Settings

Sue Paul
 

I think I know that the answer to this question but I am asking is hope that I am wrong.

Just before Christmas, I upgraded my laptop to Windows 11. It worked well for a couple of days but, then, an update failed part way through and it has proved impossible [with extensive help from Microsoft] to do anything but reinstall Windows 11. I can get the laptop into Safe Mode but without any network access and limited functionality.

My issues reinstalling Windows 11 are not relevant here. It is sufficient to say that prior to getting that done, I have set up FH on a new laptop also running Windows 11 and Family Historian 7.

I do a full backup of FH everytime I make any changes and back up all my data weekly. I have been able to do an additional backup of my data from Safe Mode so I have lost no data. What I cannot save and transfer are my settings.

I suspect that I will need to do these manually but reading past posts I have seen the suggestion that I could, perhaps, copy the Program Data Files from one laptop to the other. 

Is that possible from Safe Mode and, if so, would it be advisable.?

Kind regards,

Sue


Re: Family Historian Hints for Find my past

Lesley Lambourne
 

It seems to be an intermittent issue; I'm wondering if FMP are tickering in the background in preparation for the 6th.
I had the same issue a few days ago. I  restarted my computer (it had been running for a couple of days) and the issue cleared 

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, 07:00 Sue Herrington, <sue.herrington9@...> wrote:
Colin I had this on Saturday but by yesterday it had righted itself. It's happened previously in the same way. I'm no computer expert but I wonder if it happens when Findmypast make changes at their end which temporarily upset the link.

Sue

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, 00:00 Colin_McCullough, <madmac@...> wrote:
Hi folks 
Every time i click on find my past button i get error message 
{"statusCode":400,"error":"Bad Request","message":"Invalid cookie header"}
Help needed please to clear and allow my normal access 
Thanks 
Colin in New Zealand


Re: Family Historian Hints for Find my past

Sue Herrington
 

Colin I had this on Saturday but by yesterday it had righted itself. It's happened previously in the same way. I'm no computer expert but I wonder if it happens when Findmypast make changes at their end which temporarily upset the link.

Sue

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, 00:00 Colin_McCullough, <madmac@...> wrote:
Hi folks 
Every time i click on find my past button i get error message 
{"statusCode":400,"error":"Bad Request","message":"Invalid cookie header"}
Help needed please to clear and allow my normal access 
Thanks 
Colin in New Zealand


Family Historian Hints for Find my past

Colin_McCullough
 

Hi folks 
Every time i click on find my past button i get error message 
{"statusCode":400,"error":"Bad Request","message":"Invalid cookie header"}
Help needed please to clear and allow my normal access 
Thanks 
Colin in New Zealand


Re: Changing Lap-top

Cathy Roberts
 

Indeed an exceptionally timely reminder - & one of which I am gratefully reminded every 1st of the month by this


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On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 at 16:04, AlexH <ssiss166@...> wrote:
What an exceptionally timely subject as this is exactly what I have been doing.

 Using the 'Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings' and reading the Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide (https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/) made everything a doddle and totally painless.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone and a Happy New Year to one and all.

Many thanks

Sue

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 15:58, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

The most crucial operation to perform is to run the ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin before your old laptop dies.

Otherwise, you will lose all your custom settings to Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Fact Sets, Plugins, Records Window Columns, etc.

Once that backup is on a memory stick together with your Projects you will survive.

 

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