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Re: Ancestral Cources

John Hanson
 

Hilary

Thanks – found it eventually and now installed 7.2.7

Would be nice though if my old 7.2.4 hadn’t said that it was the latest!

 

Do we know if Nick is producing a 1921 template or not

 

Seems silly lots of us developing our own if there is going to be one from Nick

 

Regards

John Hanson FSG

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Hilary
Sent: 04 January 2022 10:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Ancestral Cources

 

Mine is 7.2.7 updated from the FHUG website.


Re: Ancestral Cources

Mike Tate
 

If you use the Ancestral Sources Data Entry plugin, it should guide you to the latest version.

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From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hanson via groups.io
Sent: 04 January 2022 10:31
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Ancestral Cources

Several have talked of running v7.2.7 but mine says in is currently V7.2.4 and the latest version

Which is the latest version and if it is 7.2.7 where can I get it?

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk Research
website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk


Re: Advice on best practice

Brian Horridge
 

Mike

I'm still running FH 6.2 and now using AS 7.2.7.

Since the advice this morning from Neil and Victor I have done some 1911 inputting on a test gedcom file and although I've entered years married and number of live and deceased children against the wife (using the proper columns in AS) the data does not seem to have been transferred in the FH Gedcom file.  Is there a specific AS Option setting that I need to select.  I use Method 2 (data in Citation) and I've checked the AS Options but cannot find an obvious tick-box to make it happen.

Also, would the fact that I'm working on a Gedcom file rather than a FH Project have any impact.

I realise that with AS 7.2.7 you now have to select the census region and year to get the event date whereas before it did it automatically.  I fully understand now the reason why but it was a change I was not expecting.

Also, is there any information as to when AS might be updated to include support for the 1921 census??

Many thanks

Brian




On 04/01/2022 10:09, Mike Tate wrote:

Yes, it is possible that AS v5.2 would not update FH v7.0 but it should have said so.

 

Use the standard Child Count attribute fact to record the number of children on a particular date.

 

For me, in AS v7.2.7, once you have chosen the Census option, the Country, and the Year, then the Date is automatically completed.

 

Are you perhaps choosing Electoral Register which does not have specific dates?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 04 January 2022 09:48
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Advice on best practice

 

Neil / Victor

I did use Ancestral Sources to record my 1911 census returns but I now suspect that the version I'm using (Ver 5.2.0) did not transfer the info into FH.

I've now updated to Ver 7.2.7 so hopefully that will solve any future 1911  records (but unfortunately not retrospective!!).  Hopefully AS will be updated to include additions for 1921 facts.  I might hold of entering data using AS for a short time.

I've already noticed that AS Ver 7.2.7 works slightly different to my old Ver 5.2.0 (it does not automatically set the census date) so I'll need to check all my AS settings.

Thanks

Brian


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Re: Ancestral Cources

Hilary
 

Mine is 7.2.7 updated from the FHUG website.


Ancestral Cources

John Hanson
 

Several have talked of running v7.2.7 but mine says in is currently V7.2.4
and the latest version

Which is the latest version and if it is 7.2.7 where can I get it?

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk


Re: Advice on best practice

Mike Tate
 

Yes, it is possible that AS v5.2 would not update FH v7.0 but it should have said so.

 

Use the standard Child Count attribute fact to record the number of children on a particular date.

 

For me, in AS v7.2.7, once you have chosen the Census option, the Country, and the Year, then the Date is automatically completed.

 

Are you perhaps choosing Electoral Register which does not have specific dates?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 04 January 2022 09:48
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Advice on best practice

 

Neil / Victor

I did use Ancestral Sources to record my 1911 census returns but I now suspect that the version I'm using (Ver 5.2.0) did not transfer the info into FH.

I've now updated to Ver 7.2.7 so hopefully that will solve any future 1911  records (but unfortunately not retrospective!!).  Hopefully AS will be updated to include additions for 1921 facts.  I might hold of entering data using AS for a short time.

I've already noticed that AS Ver 7.2.7 works slightly different to my old Ver 5.2.0 (it does not automatically set the census date) so I'll need to check all my AS settings.

Thanks

Brian


Re: Transferring Settings

Mike Tate
 

No, do NOT copy the C:\Program Files (x86)\Family Historian\ folder. I never mentioned that.

If you have copied that into the same folder on the other PC then that may have upset FH.

I strongly suggest you re-install FH on that other PC.

 

The folder I said to copy is very different but does NOT include all settings:

C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\

 

It may be hidden as explained in the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Program Data Folder’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-program-data-folder/

 

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/

Under ‘Copying Program Settings’ it recommends using the ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin. 

 

If you migrate the settings as explained above then the FH v7 display should be very similar to FH v6.

 

However, if you need specific advice for specific displays then please start a new posting and ask for those detailed settings.

 


Re: Advice on best practice

Brian Horridge
 

Neil / Victor

I did use Ancestral Sources to record my 1911 census returns but I now suspect that the version I'm using (Ver 5.2.0) did not transfer the info into FH.

I've now updated to Ver 7.2.7 so hopefully that will solve any future 1911  records (but unfortunately not retrospective!!).  Hopefully AS will be updated to include additions for 1921 facts.  I might hold of entering data using AS for a short time.

I've already noticed that AS Ver 7.2.7 works slightly different to my old Ver 5.2.0 (it does not automatically set the census date) so I'll need to check all my AS settings.

Thanks

Brian



On 04/01/2022 09:08, Neil Grantham via groups.io wrote:
Like Victor, I also use Ancestral Sources to do this.

It has templates for all the UK censuses, which for 1911 includes what you mentioned


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Brian Horridge via groups.io" <brian.horridge@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 4 Jan, 2022 At 08:24
Subject: [family-historian] Advice on best practice

Hi all

Can I ask if (and how) people record minor facts such as the number of alive / dead children that a couple had in the 1911 census.

When I started many years ago it was difficult to identify the names of any deceased children recorded in the 1911 but the new GRO database has helped fill in those gaps but I did not at the time systematically record the numbers given on the census returns. I did enter all the 1911 data in Ancestral Sources but I'm not aware that it was added in to my FH database. I'm currently working back through pre-1911 families but it's not easy unless I revisit the original images. It would have been useful if I'd recorded the numbers so I could just run a query to identify the families to investigate.

Another reason for raising it now is the impending release of the 1921 census that may also provide other similar (but minor) information. One fact that I think is in the 1921 is whether a child has lost one or both parents. Again, this does not seem to be a fact that would normally be recorded against an individual but could be useful in the future if recorded while looking at the 1921 returns. It does not seem that the number of deceased children is recorded in the 1921 census but it does record the number of children alive - again a useful fact to have available for later review.

It would be easy to create a Custom fact but I thought I'd ask others before I go too far down the wrong rabbit hole.

Many thanks

Brian

Virus-free. www.avg.com

--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Advice on best practice

Andy Kennedy
 

Hi Brian,

There is a standard fact called Child Count that can be dated. I use that with a slightly altered sentence to say how many child were still living and how many had died for 1911 census. It's useful for other records too.

Andy


Re: Advice on best practice

Neil Grantham
 

Like Victor, I also use Ancestral Sources to do this.

It has templates for all the UK censuses, which for 1911 includes what you mentioned


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Brian Horridge via groups.io" <brian.horridge@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 4 Jan, 2022 At 08:24
Subject: [family-historian] Advice on best practice

Hi all

Can I ask if (and how) people record minor facts such as the number of alive / dead children that a couple had in the 1911 census.

When I started many years ago it was difficult to identify the names of any deceased children recorded in the 1911 but the new GRO database has helped fill in those gaps but I did not at the time systematically record the numbers given on the census returns. I did enter all the 1911 data in Ancestral Sources but I'm not aware that it was added in to my FH database. I'm currently working back through pre-1911 families but it's not easy unless I revisit the original images. It would have been useful if I'd recorded the numbers so I could just run a query to identify the families to investigate.

Another reason for raising it now is the impending release of the 1921 census that may also provide other similar (but minor) information. One fact that I think is in the 1921 is whether a child has lost one or both parents. Again, this does not seem to be a fact that would normally be recorded against an individual but could be useful in the future if recorded while looking at the 1921 returns. It does not seem that the number of deceased children is recorded in the 1921 census but it does record the number of children alive - again a useful fact to have available for later review.

It would be easy to create a Custom fact but I thought I'd ask others before I go too far down the wrong rabbit hole.

Many thanks

Brian

--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Family Historian Hints for Find my past

Colin_McCullough
 

Thank you all for your comments' also i  cleared cache + cookies. It has righted itself as discussed
Regards 
Colin


Re: Advice on best practice

Victor Markham
 

I record the number of dead/live children in the 1911 census via Ancestral Sources

Victor

On 04/01/2022 8:24 am, Brian Horridge via groups.io wrote:
Hi all

Can I ask if (and how) people record minor facts such as the number of alive / dead children that a couple had in the 1911 census. 

When I started many years ago it was difficult to identify the names of any deceased children recorded in the 1911 but the new GRO database has helped fill in those gaps but I did not at the time systematically record the numbers given on the census returns.  I did enter all the 1911 data in Ancestral Sources but I'm not aware that it was added in to my FH database.  I'm currently working back through pre-1911 families but it's not easy unless I revisit the original images.  It would have been useful if I'd recorded the numbers so I could just run a query to identify the families to investigate.

Another reason for raising it now is the impending release of the 1921 census that may also provide other similar (but minor) information.  One fact that I think is in the 1921 is whether a child has lost one or both parents.  Again, this does not seem to be a fact that would normally be recorded against an individual but could be useful in the future if recorded while looking at the 1921 returns.  It does not seem that the number of deceased children is recorded in the 1921 census but it does record the number of children alive - again a useful fact to have available for later review.

It would be easy to create a Custom fact but I thought I'd ask others before I go too far down the wrong rabbit hole.

Many thanks

Brian


Advice on best practice

Brian Horridge
 

Hi all

Can I ask if (and how) people record minor facts such as the number of alive / dead children that a couple had in the 1911 census. 

When I started many years ago it was difficult to identify the names of any deceased children recorded in the 1911 but the new GRO database has helped fill in those gaps but I did not at the time systematically record the numbers given on the census returns.  I did enter all the 1911 data in Ancestral Sources but I'm not aware that it was added in to my FH database.  I'm currently working back through pre-1911 families but it's not easy unless I revisit the original images.  It would have been useful if I'd recorded the numbers so I could just run a query to identify the families to investigate.

Another reason for raising it now is the impending release of the 1921 census that may also provide other similar (but minor) information.  One fact that I think is in the 1921 is whether a child has lost one or both parents.  Again, this does not seem to be a fact that would normally be recorded against an individual but could be useful in the future if recorded while looking at the 1921 returns.  It does not seem that the number of deceased children is recorded in the 1921 census but it does record the number of children alive - again a useful fact to have available for later review.

It would be easy to create a Custom fact but I thought I'd ask others before I go too far down the wrong rabbit hole.

Many thanks

Brian


Re: Transferring Settings

Sue Paul
 

Mike

In the end I tried copying the program files but that did not do what I wanted and I have made the changes again. However, for the future I should like to understand better.

I am not stupid or computer illiterate [I start as a COBOL programmer in 1979] and have a hard copy of the user guide for FH v5 but still do not find FH setting intuitive. I need to get the manual out to remind me of the names of the panes. I really appreciate how FH works but must have some sort of mental block about part of it.

The only changes I make to FH is the look and feel [my aged eyes need more help these days] and what data I show on each pane [especially the user generated fields]. What do I need to save to restore these changes when I restore and/or upgrade FH, please?

There are a few things [all connected with aged eyes] that changed with version 7 that I have been unable to change and should like to know if it can be done. I find the taskbar down the left-hand side really difficult to use. Similarly the icons at the top right-hand side of the Property Box and the icons on the media edit pop-up. It is frustrating to keep missing the icon I want. On version 6 these were all much larger.

Kind regards, 

Sue 

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 10:02, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Yes, you could copy the C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\ folder but that won’t include everything such as the Windows Registry settings.

This topic is discussed regularly here and in the FHUG Forums.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Family Historian Copy and Migration Guide’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-copy-and-migration-guide/

Under ‘Copying Program Settings’ it recommends using the ‘Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings’ plugin. 

 


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Mike Tate
 

Phil,

I am also ex-Marconi (Comms division at Writtle and New Street) from 1968 to 2000.

Programmer and computer systems consultant, and now chairman of local computer club.

If you need any further advice then just ask.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello Mike,

 

As some one as a self taught programmer (Marconi Co ltd, Great Baddow) day after August BH, 1966 (first at end of month) that is so useful in the way of pointers. Lateral thinking and logical thinking as a poor maths graduate and 55 years in computers, is so very useful a background to be a family historian!

Now all I have to sort out is to learn not to engage my mouth before my brain!

 

Ver many thanks, Mike

 

Phil


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Phil Warn <philwarn@...>
 

Hello Mike,

 

As some one as a self taught programmer (Marconi Co ltd, Great Baddow) day after August BH, 1966 (first at end of month) that is so useful in the way of pointers. Lateral thinking and logical thinking as a poor maths graduate and 55 years in computers, is so very useful a background to be a family historian!

Now all I have to sort out is to learn not to engage my mouth before my brain!

 

Ver many thanks, Mike

 

Phil

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:06
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello Phil,

In addition to the built-in FH Help pages, you will find much additional advice in the FHUG Knowledge Base wiki and the associated FHUG Forums:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

They include advice about importing GEDCOM from Ancestry and writing Queries.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello fellow FHers,

For the very first time I got FH to respond to me.

I think this might be as I fear I had a circular link within my gedcom file.

FH just "knocked off" without any error message.

I use Ancestry (.com, .ca and .co.uk) to hold my tree with over 151,000 souls therein and I really wanted to teach my self the "macro langauage" aka query language to be able to do searches such as  "find the man who married 5 times and whose mother and ALL 5 wives were all called Elizabeth"!

Now that the tree is acceptable to FH, I can start on doing such esoteric searches.

Thanks for reading

Best wishes,

Phil Warn

West Moors, east Dorset

 


Re: Circular GEDCOM files

Mike Tate
 

Hello Phil,

In addition to the built-in FH Help pages, you will find much additional advice in the FHUG Knowledge Base wiki and the associated FHUG Forums:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

They include advice about importing GEDCOM from Ancestry and writing Queries.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: 03 January 2022 11:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Circular GEDCOM files

 

Hello fellow FHers,

For the very first time I got FH to respond to me.

I think this might be as I fear I had a circular link within my gedcom file.

FH just "knocked off" without any error message.

I use Ancestry (.com, .ca and .co.uk) to hold my tree with over 151,000 souls therein and I really wanted to teach my self the "macro langauage" aka query language to be able to do searches such as  "find the man who married 5 times and whose mother and ALL 5 wives were all called Elizabeth"!

Now that the tree is acceptable to FH, I can start on doing such esoteric searches.

Thanks for reading

Best wishes,

Phil Warn

West Moors, east Dorset


Circular GEDCOM files

Phil Warn <philwarn@...>
 

Hello fellow FHers,

For the very first time I got FH to respond to me.

I think this might be as I fear I had a circular link within my gedcom file.

FH just "knocked off" without any error message.

I use Ancestry (.com, .ca and .co.uk) to hold my tree with over 151,000 souls therein and I really wanted to teach my self the "macro langauage" aka query language to be able to do searches such as  "find the man who married 5 times and whose mother and ALL 5 wives were all called Elizabeth"!

Now that the tree is acceptable to FH, I can start on doing such esoteric searches.

Thanks for reading

Best wishes,

Phil Warn

West Moors, east Dorset


Re: Collaborative Working

Mike Tate
 

Tony,

Some useful advice has been offered but some is perhaps misleading.

 

Chris said: “FH7 license only allows two concurrent users and I believe not different people”.

That is not quite correct. A single FH licence allows it to be installed on two PC owned by the user but only used one at a time.

However, if each person buys their own FH licence then its concurrent use is not restricted.

 

As Brian says, it is much easier to collaborate if you all use identical genealogy software.

His other points about synchronising the research updates are also very important.

 

PC based software such as FH, RootsMagic, Legacy, etc, rely on digital communication via some common media.

You could use CD or pen drives, but a cloud service such as OneDrive or Google Drive is easiest.

I would advise against synchronising the Projects directly via a cloud service.

If any one of you makes a mistake then all your copies could be upset and rely on backups to recover.

Instead, use the cloud to export/import copies of the whole Project or branches of the family tree.

 

Conversely, online software such as Ancestry, FindMyPast, ZoomPast, etc, does support collaborative research but the risks of making a mistake that upsets the database are very similar.

You can try many of those online family tree building services for free.

The subscription service simply grants access to the online records but is not necessary for the trees.

 

So collaboration is feasible but requires careful management.

 


Re: Changing Lap-top

Mike Tate
 

Victor, you misunderstand what I am talking about, so let me list the settings in more detail.

 

The Tools > Preferences… command has 20 sections. Have you ever changed anything in any of those sections?

 

When a Diagram is displayed the Diagram > Options… command has several tabs and settings. Have you changed any?

Have you used the Diagram > Save Diagram As > Custom Diagram Type option?

Have you added any custom Icons to the set of Diagram Box Icons?

 

When a Report is displayed the Report > Options… command has several tabs and settings. Have you changed any?

Have you used the Save Report As > Custom Report Type option?

 

Have you used the Tools > Fact Types… command to modify or add or import any fact definitions?

 

In the Records Window or Named Lists have you added any custom Columns?

 

In the Property Box have you used the Customize Property Box… option?

 

Have you run any custom Queries? Have you run any Plugins?

 

Have you adjusted the size or position of any of FH floating windows?

 

If you have answered ‘Yes’ to any of the above then you have custom settings that need backing up.

 

They are NOT saved in Project Backups.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 02 January 2022 22:26
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Changing Lap-top

Mike

Sorry for late reply I have been away

This is what I see when I prompt Prefeences, Diagrams I don't see any other details you have listed under Diagrams like

Diagram > Options, Report > Options, create custom Queries, run Plugins, customise Facts, etc, etc

Mine hs alays been like this from when I first started FH

Victor

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