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Family Historian Help

Derek Rogers
 
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I have quite an extensive tree logged to date.

 

Part of my early investigations were around trying to trace an unmarried mother's partner, and I suspect that I followed a couple of trails which proved to be incorrect.   As a result, I suspect that I have a number of individuals listed but where there is no valid link to my true tree.

 

 

Is there any way that I can identify any such individuals where there is no real link into my tree, such that I can just clean them out of my data.

 

 

Appreciate any assistance here.    Using V5.

 

Regards

 

Derek Rogers

 

 


Re: family history problem

Lorna Craig
 

This mailing list is provided by Calico Pie, the developers of Family Historian.  But FHUG (fhug.org.uk)  is a user group, run by and for users.   The two are independent of each other and it is entirely Calico Pie's choice to operate the mailing list.

Because many of the people who answer questions belong to both groups they find it easier to refer people to FHUG.  It contains an extensive Knowledge Base as well as the forums, so it is quicker to point someone to information there instead of repeating it here.  Also, has been said, any discussion involving images is much faster in the user group because there is no delay waiting for moderation.

On 29/11/2021 23:08, Ron Chapman wrote:

Just a comment about the group. What is the point in having this group if queries are always being transferred to the fhug.org.uk forums. Why not just use the forum all the time. It just seems to be a duplication of effort and it might cut back on the aggravation!


Re: family history problem

Trevor Rix
 

Because some people find this group/portal/social media first. The same applies to the Family Historian group on Facebook. Not much of a problem in my opinion. Better that people find some support rather than none.


Re: family history problem

Neil Grantham
 

Ron


It is only suggested when images need to be shown to demonstrate a problem. Images in this group are moderated and can take some time to appear. That isn't so on FHUG

The majority of issues discussed on this platform are text only though.


Best Wishes

Neil

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From: Ron Chapman
Sent: Nov 29, 2021 at 11:08 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] family history problem

Just a comment about the group. What is the point in having this group if queries are always being transferred to the fhug.org.uk forums. Why not just use the forum all the time. It just seems to be a duplication of effort and it might cut back on the aggravation!

On 26/11/2021 19:18, colevalleygirl@... wrote:

Rick, try Windows Snip and Sketch (Windows key-shift-S) to take a snapshot of the problem areas of the diagram.

 

It might be easier if you move the discussion over to the fhug.org.uk forums, if you’re willing to register for an account there. It’s much easier to attach files over there, so we can see what’s going wrong.

 



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Neil Grantham
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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: family history problem

Ron Chapman
 

Just a comment about the group. What is the point in having this group if queries are always being transferred to the fhug.org.uk forums. Why not just use the forum all the time. It just seems to be a duplication of effort and it might cut back on the aggravation!

On 26/11/2021 19:18, colevalleygirl@... wrote:

Rick, try Windows Snip and Sketch (Windows key-shift-S) to take a snapshot of the problem areas of the diagram.

 

It might be easier if you move the discussion over to the fhug.org.uk forums, if you’re willing to register for an account there. It’s much easier to attach files over there, so we can see what’s going wrong.

 



Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Printing

Mike Tate
 

Yes, all that gets saved to the CSV spreadsheet is the data and not the formatting.

So fonts and columns widths and row height are all dependent on the Excel settings.

 

It looks like your data has only five columns.

However, in the spreadsheet screenshot, only four columns are visible.

So the fifth column must be way off to the right and all the columns are clearly much wider.

Therefore Excel cannot fit so much on one A4 page and spreads it over multiple pages.

The number of rows in the spreadsheet is the same as the FH Result Set but the spacing looks larger.

If you reduce the column widths, font size, and row spacing to match the FH Result Set then the number of pages will go down.

In Excel, you can also scale the output and get the same number of pages as with FH.

Page numbering will need further customisation in Excel.

As I said, only the data is saved to CSV and everything else depends on Excel settings, which must be adjusted to match FH to get the same printout.

 


Re: Printing

Neil Grantham
 

Victor,

I have to say I noticed from the screenshots, there were more lines of information on the non Excel version, so probably the Font in Excel is larger and thus the row heights larger to compensate.

This will all compound to make many more pages than the non Excel version


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Monday, 29 Nov, 2021 At 21:51
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Printing

Sorry for the omission of the detail I saved the file in. It was CSV I subsequently saved it as excel file with the same result.

I have just tested the PDF version and it, as you say, similar the FH internal version.

Saving on CSV I adjust the spreadsheet settings and it doesn't give the same result as FH internal version. I have checked all settings there was nothing I could do to make it like FH or PDF

In future I will think twice about saving things as CSV

On 29/11/2021 5:18 pm, Mike Tate wrote:

I agree with Helen. It would have been much simpler to use the FHUG Forum.

You omitted an important detail ~ what type of file did you save to: PDF, CSV, Text?

Depending on the application program that handles those file types the printout can vary dramatically.

When I tried PDF, the saved file was virtually identical to the FH internal printed version with the same numbered pages, headings, etc.

Save to a CSV spreadsheet file and the printout format will depend on the spreadsheet program’s settings, page orientation, etc.

Save to a Text file which is plain text with no formatting and you lose tidy columns and page numbering.

I’m not sure what else you could have expected with those file types.


--
Neil Grantham
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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Printing

Victor Markham
 

Sorry for the omission of the detail I saved the file in. It was CSV I subsequently saved it as excel file with the same result.

I have just tested the PDF version and it, as you say, similar the FH internal version.

Saving on CSV I adjust the spreadsheet settings and it doesn't give the same result as FH internal version. I have checked all settings there was nothing I could do to make it like FH or PDF

In future I will think twice about saving things as CSV

On 29/11/2021 5:18 pm, Mike Tate wrote:

I agree with Helen. It would have been much simpler to use the FHUG Forum.

 

You omitted an important detail ~ what type of file did you save to: PDF, CSV, Text?

Depending on the application program that handles those file types the printout can vary dramatically.

 

When I tried PDF, the saved file was virtually identical to the FH internal printed version with the same numbered pages, headings, etc.

 

Save to a CSV spreadsheet file and the printout format will depend on the spreadsheet program’s settings, page orientation, etc.

 

Save to a Text file which is plain text with no formatting and you lose tidy columns and page numbering.

 

I’m not sure what else you could have expected with those file types.

 


Re: Printing

Mike Hall
 

Thanks for the info as I only signed up earlier.

I have been searching in desperation  as the last Widows 10 has lost a dll file so Family Historian has failed to load.  I have limited computer knowledge and approaching 80 !
I have a support ticket in but I will see if I can find on your site
Mike Hall


On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 17:16, colevalleygirl@... <colevalleygirl@...> wrote:
Mike H, as you're subscribed to the family-historian mailing list, you'll receive all emails sent to the group whether they're of interest to you or not. (and everyone will see your replies).  If a topic isn't of interest to you, visit groups.io/family-historian/topics, select the topic concerned and then 'Mute this topic'.


Re: Printing

Mike Tate
 

Or click the ‘Mute This Topic’ link at the bottom of the Email message.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 29 November 2021 17:16
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Printing

 

Mike H, as you're subscribed to the family-historian mailing list, you'll receive all emails sent to the group whether they're of interest to you or not. (and everyone will see your replies).  If a topic isn't of interest to you, visit groups.io/family-historian/topics, select the topic concerned and then 'Mute this topic'.


Re: Printing

Mike Tate
 

I agree with Helen. It would have been much simpler to use the FHUG Forum.

 

You omitted an important detail ~ what type of file did you save to: PDF, CSV, Text?

Depending on the application program that handles those file types the printout can vary dramatically.

 

When I tried PDF, the saved file was virtually identical to the FH internal printed version with the same numbered pages, headings, etc.

 

Save to a CSV spreadsheet file and the printout format will depend on the spreadsheet program’s settings, page orientation, etc.

 

Save to a Text file which is plain text with no formatting and you lose tidy columns and page numbering.

 

I’m not sure what else you could have expected with those file types.

 


Re: Printing

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Mike H, as you're subscribed to the family-historian mailing list, you'll receive all emails sent to the group whether they're of interest to you or not. (and everyone will see your replies).  If a topic isn't of interest to you, visit groups.io/family-historian/topics, select the topic concerned and then 'Mute this topic'.


Re: Printing

Mike Hall
 

Sorry both

I think I have received the emails in error - I haven't a clue about this
Mike Hall


On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 15:56, colevalleygirl@... <colevalleygirl@...> wrote:
Victor,

It would be much easier for everyone concerned it you had posted your question on FHUG (where i kniw you have an account). At the very least, your attachments would not need a moderator to approve them there, and you would be accessing the same experts...


Re: Printing

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Victor,

It would be much easier for everyone concerned it you had posted your question on FHUG (where i kniw you have an account). At the very least, your attachments would not need a moderator to approve them there, and you would be accessing the same experts...


Re: Printing

Victor Markham
 

Mike

sorry for the brevity of my message. This is something I have never done before

I will try to be more specific

On ther FH sofware I prompt View which opens a menu to Query then Relations and Relationship thern relation and nearest relations.

This opens a list

To print this I use the arrow show direct to printer

This results in the following page


When I save the details to file I prompt the save, as shown above and the print version ffrom the save imge is

Two different images from the same origins. The last image does not give any page numbers and is a geat deal more than the first one

Hope this clears things a bit

Victor

On 29/11/2021 11:37 am, Mike Tate wrote:
Sorry Victor but you have lost me.
How are you printing a 99 page spreadsheet directly from FH?
Are you talking about a Query Result Set that can be printed in FH and also saved as a spreadsheet?
A little more clarification of exactly what commands you are using would help me understand.

Mike Tate








Re: Printing

Mike Tate
 

Sorry Victor but you have lost me.
How are you printing a 99 page spreadsheet directly from FH?
Are you talking about a Query Result Set that can be printed in FH and also saved as a spreadsheet?
A little more clarification of exactly what commands you are using would help me understand.

Mike Tate


Printing

Victor Markham
 

Hi all

I have just learned something new about printing.

I printed a relationship list of my sister on a spreadsheet. Initially I saved the list then started pronting direct from FH software. It was good. I encountered a problem with my printer.

After sorting the problem out I stated printing the list from the saved spreadsheet. I was puzzled because the printing was not the same as direct from the FH. The FH stated it was 99 pages but the saved edition said it was 295 pages! So I went back to FH and got back to the FJH print.

A diffr3nce between the 2 is FH lists the page numbers, like Page 50 of 99. The saved version doesn't give any page numbers. Also FH gives the same heading on every page like Relationships of ... (my sisters name) The saved version dosn't give anything

Just thought I would make others aware of the two types of versions when it comes to svaing and printing

Victor


Re: Second Source

paul.currell@...
 

My apologies for not replying earlier but thank you all for your replies and help. I have now created a new project called Test&Try with just a single family in it. I am trying your suggestions to see which suits best.
CheersPaul


Re: family history problem

Mike Tate
 

Rick,

The fact that a Property Box opens suggests they are database entries, albeit with no data recorded.

Are you saying that all three Diagram boxes and associated Property Boxes are devoid of data?

But what about Diagram boxes further up the tree, e.g. the parents of the empty father & mother boxes?

 

After opening an empty Property Box, please open its ‘All’ tab. What is its Record Id shown at the top?

You should be able to find that Individual Record with the same Record Id in the Records Window.

 

When you open either parent Property Box, does the Children section at the bottom show 1 child as [unnamed person]?

 

You seem to be saying that one of the Diagram boxes is a woman with data recorded in her Property Box.

What does it say in her Property Box on the Spouse tab? Does it say <no spouse> or [unnamed person]?

 

 


Re: family history problem

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Rick, try Windows Snip and Sketch (Windows key-shift-S) to take a snapshot of the problem areas of the diagram.

 

It might be easier if you move the discussion over to the fhug.org.uk forums, if you’re willing to register for an account there. It’s much easier to attach files over there, so we can see what’s going wrong.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Montgomery
Sent: 26 November 2021 19:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] family history problem

 

Sorry for the delay. The boxes in the diagram are empty. The double left click shows empty property boxes. I can't find any errors in the underlying databases. One of the empty boxes is attached [married] to a woman who was never married. I wish the was a way to copy and paste the problem areas of the diagram

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