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Re: Compound queries (join Place to Individual records)

Mike Tate
 

I’ll see you over in the FHUG Forums.

 

There is a ~SPOU shortcut to get to the wife’s husband but does get a bit trickier when there is more than one,

i.e. ~SPOU[1], ~SPOU[2], ~SPOU[3], et seq.

 

Yes, there are plenty of ‘One Name Study’ researchers using FH.

 

Yes, it is a steep learning curve for newcomers, but hang in there.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Zanzig
Sent: 22 November 2021 21:45
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Compound queries (join Place to Individual records)

 

I have found all those, and videos too, spent the weekend studying. I'll move the questions over to the FHUG.

 

All that geocoding I did is going to come in handy for this--I have 35 men with some form of "Johann" and/or "Friederich" in their name (in ONE of their names!) and I have to find out which one was in which place to figure out who a child belongs to at times from clues like occupation.Women are worse because sometimes you first have to figure out who their husband is. There are other one name studies using FH, aren't there? We must all have similar problems.

 

When I said the other day that exporting places was convoluted--I've been thinking about that. I don't have my head around FH's world view yet. When I understand its logic I will be able to figure out where to look for an operation.

 

I'm overwhelmed by the sheer amount of documentation--I love that the various helps explain what happens and why and don't just say "do this". It's marvelous but a lot to work through at the same time.

--Barbara


Re: Compound queries (join Place to Individual records)

Barbara Zanzig
 

I have found all those, and videos too, spent the weekend studying. I'll move the questions over to the FHUG.

All that geocoding I did is going to come in handy for this--I have 35 men with some form of "Johann" and/or "Friederich" in their name (in ONE of their names!) and I have to find out which one was in which place to figure out who a child belongs to at times from clues like occupation.Women are worse because sometimes you first have to figure out who their husband is. There are other one name studies using FH, aren't there? We must all have similar problems.

When I said the other day that exporting places was convoluted--I've been thinking about that. I don't have my head around FH's world view yet. When I understand its logic I will be able to figure out where to look for an operation.

I'm overwhelmed by the sheer amount of documentation--I love that the various helps explain what happens and why and don't just say "do this". It's marvelous but a lot to work through at the same time.
--Barbara


On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 1:15 PM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

You didn’t mention the FH Help pages which are another useful resource.

There is also the FHUG Forum where it is sometimes possible to find answers.

It is often easier to enter into a dialogue there than it is here because sample Queries can be attached.

 

In the FHUG Knowledge Base have you found the many custom Queries in the Downloads?

Also, see ‘An Overview of Queries’: https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/an-overview-of-queries/

That explores ‘Custom Query Types’ and I think Fact type Queries will work for your search.

 

They let your Rows filter test the %FACT.PLAC% of every Fact (Event & Attribute).

At the same time, they can test the Name of the Fact Owner.

 

It is similar to the FHUG Forum posting How to Exclude on Any Fact Place Contains:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=19993

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Zanzig
Sent: 22 November 2021 20:34
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Compound queries (join Place to Individual records)

 

I need help to formulate a query, please. With my one name study, in TMG I did a lot of filters of the sort
"find me everyone with xxx anywhere in their name and any event in a specified place". I've been playing with the Find Text query and the Events within a specified distance.

So far I can get the people or the place but haven't figured out how to join them together. I can see that I have two different types of records so I have to get them to cuddle up together somehow, but I haven't found the right combo yet and I don't think I'm quite ready for plugins.

I have found the knowledge base and the V5 Getting Started with FH book and I'm reading the help files--are there other resources I should know about?

--Barbara


Re: Compound queries (join Place to Individual records)

Mike Tate
 

Hi Barbara,

You didn’t mention the FH Help pages which are another useful resource.

There is also the FHUG Forum where it is sometimes possible to find answers.

It is often easier to enter into a dialogue there than it is here because sample Queries can be attached.

 

In the FHUG Knowledge Base have you found the many custom Queries in the Downloads?

Also, see ‘An Overview of Queries’: https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/an-overview-of-queries/

That explores ‘Custom Query Types’ and I think Fact type Queries will work for your search.

 

They let your Rows filter test the %FACT.PLAC% of every Fact (Event & Attribute).

At the same time, they can test the Name of the Fact Owner.

 

It is similar to the FHUG Forum posting How to Exclude on Any Fact Place Contains:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=19993

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Zanzig
Sent: 22 November 2021 20:34
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Compound queries (join Place to Individual records)

 

I need help to formulate a query, please. With my one name study, in TMG I did a lot of filters of the sort
"find me everyone with xxx anywhere in their name and any event in a specified place". I've been playing with the Find Text query and the Events within a specified distance.

So far I can get the people or the place but haven't figured out how to join them together. I can see that I have two different types of records so I have to get them to cuddle up together somehow, but I haven't found the right combo yet and I don't think I'm quite ready for plugins.

I have found the knowledge base and the V5 Getting Started with FH book and I'm reading the help files--are there other resources I should know about?

--Barbara


Compound queries (join Place to Individual records)

Barbara Zanzig
 

I need help to formulate a query, please. With my one name study, in TMG I did a lot of filters of the sort
"find me everyone with xxx anywhere in their name and any event in a specified place". I've been playing with the Find Text query and the Events within a specified distance.

So far I can get the people or the place but haven't figured out how to join them together. I can see that I have two different types of records so I have to get them to cuddle up together somehow, but I haven't found the right combo yet and I don't think I'm quite ready for plugins.

I have found the knowledge base and the V5 Getting Started with FH book and I'm reading the help files--are there other resources I should know about?

--Barbara


Re: family history problem

Mike Tate
 

Please double-left-click on the Diagram box for either of the couple, i.e. the father or the mother.

That will display their Property Box with any Children listed in the pane at the bottom below the Spouses.

If there are multiple Spouse: tabs then select each tab in turn, including any that say <no spouse>.

Are you sure that none of those Spouse tabs has any Children listed?

 

Additionally, double-left-click the Diagram box of the child to show their Property Box details.

The large blue up arrow at the top of the Property Box will link to the parents.

 

If that still does not explain where the child exists then please describe the characteristics of the three Diagram boxes for the couple and the child, e.g. the background colour, the box outline, the connecting lines, etc.

 

Alternatively, post a screenshot of the Diagram showing the couple & child with one of their Property Boxes open.

 

Mike Tate


Re: family history problem

Rick Montgomery
 

Thanks for responding. I don't see any errors in the database.....just the diagram. For instance, on couple shows a drop down box indicating a child, but they don'y have one


On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 12:40 PM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

What sort of errors are you talking about?

Please tell us the text of the error messages.

 

Maybe you mean there are discrepancies between what is shown in the Diagram and what is in the Project data.

Usually, that cannot happen.

Whenever a Diagram is displayed it shows the current Project data.

Even a Saved Chart will update with the current Project data.

 

So please can you give more specific details about the “errors”.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: family history problem

Mike Tate
 

What sort of errors are you talking about?

Please tell us the text of the error messages.

 

Maybe you mean there are discrepancies between what is shown in the Diagram and what is in the Project data.

Usually, that cannot happen.

Whenever a Diagram is displayed it shows the current Project data.

Even a Saved Chart will update with the current Project data.

 

So please can you give more specific details about the “errors”.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: family history problem

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

You need to give us a little more detail -- what sort of errors? Is the diagram wrong, or is the underlying data wrong?


family history problem

Rick Montgomery
 

There are errors on my family diagram. Is there a way to start a new diagram using the underlying data base?


Re: Managing places

Mike Tate
 

It is not as convoluted as it sounds because many of those are the default options.

Usually, most of the records of the Project need to be exported.

So it is not surprising that to export just Place Records needs a few options changed.

 


Re: Managing places

Barbara Zanzig
 

Seems convoluted but that's a lot of options! Good to know I can do it. This program is in many ways even more complex than TMG, the learning curve right now is steep.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:53 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Hi Barbara,

 

This topic has been discussed in the FHUG Forums.

 

To save a master geocoded list use the File > Import/Export > Export > GEDCOM File… command.

Use the following option settings:

Do NOT Select any Individual records.

Tick all Records to Exclude except Place Records.

Tick to Exclude all Facts & Notes.

Media Records: Exclude

Source Records: Exclude

Then click OK and ignore the warning about no Individual records to produce a GEDCOM file of only Place records.

That GEDCOM can be used with File > Merge/Compare File to import into a new empty Project.

 

To obtain a listing of all Place record details use Publish > Record Details Report > Record Detail – Places.

Select all the Place records and in Report > Options > Page Layout untick Start records on new page.

That report can be saved as a PDF or RTF word-processor document.

 

Mike Tate

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Re: Bug reporting and feature requests

Barbara Zanzig
 

Thank you, I missed it the first time.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 11:10 PM colevalleygirl@... <colevalleygirl@...> wrote:

Bug reporting (From the KB): “If you encounter a problem or fault with Family Historian that cannot be resolved in the FH User Group, then report it via the Help > Technical Support command within the software” (which will take you to a general Support page; scroll down to the bottom for the link to open a support ticket.

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Re: Holding Incomplete Data in FH

Brian Horridge
 

John

One methodology I've used in my One Name Study where I was not (at that moment) sure who the male was would be add the wife and children / grandchildren as a complete but  unconnected tree but leave out Mavis's husband.  Then, when I can identify who the husband is from others of the same name in my ONS you can just connect Mavis (and descendants) as a spouse.  I always use notes to say who she married (and maybe clues if I suspected some likely candidates).

Brian

On 19/11/2021 11:42, johnfirr via groups.io wrote:
I hope I can explain this issue in such a way as it makes sense and would love to know how others approach this.

I like to use FH as my repository for everything as it avoids my having lots of bits of paper which I inevitably lose. However you sometimes come across a snippet of data that its difficult to fit in.

Specifically I was sent an obituary cutting by email that incicates that a James married Mavis and they had at least two children Sue and Andy. They also had four grandchildren and a great grandchild but at this stage I obviously dont know who the grandchildren or great garndchild belong to ( Sue or Andy)  as it doesnt give their surnames.

Now I dont want to do more work on this at the moment as I am wading through censuses as part of a one name study but want to capture them in FH to hold what I have. I can obviously put together a family group for Robert, Mavis, Sue and Andy but dont know at this stage how to slot in the grandchildren.

Does anyone else ever have this conundrum and how do you handle it ( or is it just down to my adopting a process that just doesnt make sense?)

regards
John Firr

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Re: Holding Incomplete Data in FH

Victor Markham
 

Depending on the year of the obituary you can check FreeBMD and find out who the parents of the children are. I would can the article and add it to the death details of the person who died

Victor

On 19 Nov 2021, at 11:42, "johnfirr via groups.io" <yahoo.co.uk@groups.io target=_blank>johnfirr=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I hope I can explain this issue in such a way as it makes sense and would love to know how others approach this.

I like to use FH as my repository for everything as it avoids my having lots of bits of paper which I inevitably lose. However you sometimes come across a snippet of data that its difficult to fit in.

Specifically I was sent an obituary cutting by email that incicates that a James married Mavis and they had at least two children Sue and Andy. They also had four grandchildren and a great grandchild but at this stage I obviously dont know who the grandchildren or great garndchild belong to ( Sue or Andy)  as it doesnt give their surnames.

Now I dont want to do more work on this at the moment as I am wading through censuses as part of a one name study but want to capture them in FH to hold what I have. I can obviously put together a family group for Robert, Mavis, Sue and Andy but dont know at this stage how to slot in the grandchildren.

Does anyone else ever have this conundrum and how do you handle it ( or is it just down to my adopting a process that just doesnt make sense?)

regards
John Firr


Re: Holding Incomplete Data in FH

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

I’d add a unnamed dummy child of James and Mavis and hang the grandchildren off that; and add another dummy child to that ‘family’ and hang the great grandchildren off them. (I do the same thing if I find a grandchild living with grandparents in the census with no evidence of who their parent is.)

 

Given the data you describe, you can’t do anything else – you can’t be sure the grandchildren etc. descend from either Sue or Andy; they might belong to one or more other children not named in the obituary.

 

There are some more ideas here: Recording Credibility of Family Relationships – Family Historian User Group (fhug.org.uk)

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 19 November 2021 11:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Holding Incomplete Data in FH

 

I hope I can explain this issue in such a way as it makes sense and would love to know how others approach this.

I like to use FH as my repository for everything as it avoids my having lots of bits of paper which I inevitably lose. However you sometimes come across a snippet of data that its difficult to fit in.

Specifically I was sent an obituary cutting by email that incicates that a James married Mavis and they had at least two children Sue and Andy. They also had four grandchildren and a great grandchild but at this stage I obviously dont know who the grandchildren or great garndchild belong to ( Sue or Andy)  as it doesnt give their surnames.

Now I dont want to do more work on this at the moment as I am wading through censuses as part of a one name study but want to capture them in FH to hold what I have. I can obviously put together a family group for Robert, Mavis, Sue and Andy but dont know at this stage how to slot in the grandchildren.

Does anyone else ever have this conundrum and how do you handle it ( or is it just down to my adopting a process that just doesnt make sense?)


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Holding Incomplete Data in FH

johnfirr@...
 

I hope I can explain this issue in such a way as it makes sense and would love to know how others approach this.

I like to use FH as my repository for everything as it avoids my having lots of bits of paper which I inevitably lose. However you sometimes come across a snippet of data that its difficult to fit in.

Specifically I was sent an obituary cutting by email that incicates that a James married Mavis and they had at least two children Sue and Andy. They also had four grandchildren and a great grandchild but at this stage I obviously dont know who the grandchildren or great garndchild belong to ( Sue or Andy)  as it doesnt give their surnames.

Now I dont want to do more work on this at the moment as I am wading through censuses as part of a one name study but want to capture them in FH to hold what I have. I can obviously put together a family group for Robert, Mavis, Sue and Andy but dont know at this stage how to slot in the grandchildren.

Does anyone else ever have this conundrum and how do you handle it ( or is it just down to my adopting a process that just doesnt make sense?)

regards
John Firr


Re: Managing places

Mike Tate
 

P.S.

Forgot to say in the Export > GEDCOM File… command you must untick Unconnected Records too!

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 19 November 2021 10:53
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Managing places

 

Hi Barbara,

 

This topic has been discussed in the FHUG Forums.

 

To save a master geocoded list use the File > Import/Export > Export > GEDCOM File… command.

Use the following option settings:

Do NOT Select any Individual records.

Tick all Records to Exclude except Place Records.

Tick to Exclude all Facts & Notes.

Media Records: Exclude

Source Records: Exclude

Then click OK and ignore the warning about no Individual records to produce a GEDCOM file of only Place records.

That GEDCOM can be used with File > Merge/Compare File to import into a new empty Project.

 

To obtain a listing of all Place record details use Publish > Record Details Report > Record Detail – Places.

Select all the Place records and in Report > Options > Page Layout untick Start records on new page.

That report can be saved as a PDF or RTF word-processor document.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Zanzig
Sent: 19 November 2021 00:06
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Managing places

 

I've just spent 3 days geocoding the German part of my one name study, and I sure don't want to do it again! How does one import and export all this excellent place data so it can be reused, edited, etc? I have about 1500 place names, not all of which are unique places.

I had to do a lot of manual lookups in Meyers Orts gazetteer for places that barely exist anymore. The names don't match the modern names so I'm adding standardized names too. I want to save a master geocoded list so it can be reapplied to other projects, if possible, or sent to other programs.

I haven't seen anything that applies in the knowledge bases or plugin store but I might not have the right search words.


Re: Managing places

Mike Tate
 

Hi Barbara,

 

This topic has been discussed in the FHUG Forums.

 

To save a master geocoded list use the File > Import/Export > Export > GEDCOM File… command.

Use the following option settings:

Do NOT Select any Individual records.

Tick all Records to Exclude except Place Records.

Tick to Exclude all Facts & Notes.

Media Records: Exclude

Source Records: Exclude

Then click OK and ignore the warning about no Individual records to produce a GEDCOM file of only Place records.

That GEDCOM can be used with File > Merge/Compare File to import into a new empty Project.

 

To obtain a listing of all Place record details use Publish > Record Details Report > Record Detail – Places.

Select all the Place records and in Report > Options > Page Layout untick Start records on new page.

That report can be saved as a PDF or RTF word-processor document.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Zanzig
Sent: 19 November 2021 00:06
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Managing places

 

I've just spent 3 days geocoding the German part of my one name study, and I sure don't want to do it again! How does one import and export all this excellent place data so it can be reused, edited, etc? I have about 1500 place names, not all of which are unique places.

I had to do a lot of manual lookups in Meyers Orts gazetteer for places that barely exist anymore. The names don't match the modern names so I'm adding standardized names too. I want to save a master geocoded list so it can be reapplied to other projects, if possible, or sent to other programs.

I haven't seen anything that applies in the knowledge bases or plugin store but I might not have the right search words.


Re: Bug reporting and feature requests

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Bug reporting (From the KB): “If you encounter a problem or fault with Family Historian that cannot be resolved in the FH User Group, then report it via the Help > Technical Support command within the software” (which will take you to a general Support page; scroll down to the bottom for the link to open a support ticket.

 

There isn’t a ‘known problems list’.

 

Wish List: See Wish List – Family Historian User Group (fhug.org.uk). To suggest new items, or vote for existing ones, you will need to register for an account on the FHUG website if you don’t already have one.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara Zanzig
Sent: 19 November 2021 02:56
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Bug reporting and feature requests

 

Where is the right place to report problems? The FH website doesn't seem to have any way to submit them directly. I'm having trouble with an international character being displayed correctly (or at all). A pointer to a known problems list would also be useful--I haven't located one yet.

The place database exercise gave me a wish list--is there a place to request features and enhancements?

--Barbara


Bug reporting and feature requests

Barbara Zanzig
 

Where is the right place to report problems? The FH website doesn't seem to have any way to submit them directly. I'm having trouble with an international character being displayed correctly (or at all). A pointer to a known problems list would also be useful--I haven't located one yet.

The place database exercise gave me a wish list--is there a place to request features and enhancements?

--Barbara

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