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Re: Translating charts

Mike Tate
 

Sorry, but I was wrong about how to set up Diagrams to have different male and female translations for Born.

You need to edit the Diagram Text Scheme that was initially created when the Language Pack was created.

 

Display any Diagram and open the Diagram > Options > Language tab to choose the Diagram Language: Slovenian (SLV)

Then open the Text tab, choose the Text Scheme and click Edit Language Variant… button.

Select the Birth item under Used Items and click the Edit button at the bottom.

In the Template replace the text "E_Rojen(a): _, _" with Sex(%INDI%,"E_Rojen: _, _","E_Rojena: _, _","E_Rojen: _, _") so the whole Template is:

=FactText(%INDI.BIRT%,"CT",Sex(%INDI%,"E_Rojen: _, _","E_Rojena: _, _","E_Rojen: _, _"))

Finally, click OK several times to see the effect of the change.

 

That uses the Sex() function to test the Individual (%INDI%) Sex field and for Male use "E_Rojen: _, _", for Female use "E_Rojena: _, _", otherwise use "E_Rojen: _, _"

 

I realise that is an advanced technique and perhaps should be documented in the FH Help pages.

 

It is in that Text Scheme for Slovenian that you should change the Date Format: to Abbrev(3) so that the dd.mm.yyyy format is used in Slovenian Diagrams.

 


Re: Translating charts

Mike Tate
 

So you now have a Language Pack with Birth translated to rojen(a).

Use Tools > Language Pack… and Edit… your Slovenian Language Pack.

Select the word Birth and Edit… to open the Edit Translation window.

Select the Special Case option Female with Translate to Rojena then click Save to Update Existing entry.

Select the Special Case option (none) with Translate to Rojen then select Create New and click Create.

 

Now you have two separate translations for Female and the default (none) for Male.

 

You don’t need the Language Pack to set a Date format of 24.2.1711.

Use Tools > Preferences > General and set Preferred Short Date Format to dd.mm.yyy

In the Diagram > Options > Text tab, use Edit Text Scheme… and Set Date Format to Abbrev(3)

 


Re: Translating charts

jerebinho@...
 

Solved it, thank you. FH can't differentiate between masculine and feminine version of the word though, but I have managed to solve this issue using brackets (born in Slovene for male is "rojen", for female it's "rojena", solved using "rojen(a)").
I still have an issue changing the date format used in diagrams. Can I change that, so it would not say "on 24 February 1711" but only "24.2.1711"?


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Mike Tate
 

Karin,
I'm surprised you "had to figure out how to enter the exact age" as in your original posting you had already identified "the Age Entry Assistant Dialog associated with the Age box".

In the FHUG Forum, I have posted a development of the Query that calculates the earliest and latest Birth Date from any facts that have both Date & Age.
See 'Calculate Birth date from date & age in other facts' to download the 'Birth Date Calculator' Query at:
https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=19820


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Karin Schuette Weiss
 

Very nice Mike.  I like having this available right in the program.

Also, in order to use it, I first had to figure out how to enter the
exact age.  I am continually impressed with the fact that once I
figure out how to use something, Family Historian is amazing.


As are all you folks who so quickly provide answers to questions.
Thanks to all.

Karin Schuette Weiss

On 9/17/2021 1:49 PM, Mike Tate wrote:
I've just double-checked my custom Query 'Birth Date from Age at Death' against the online calculators and found a mistake.

The corrected plugin is attached.

So after entering the Death event Date and Age, run the Query to discover the calculated Birth Date.





Re: Translating charts

Mike Tate
 

Hi Miha,

I am no expert, but since nobody else has replied, I will try.

 

I experimented with the German language pack and displayed a Diagram chart.

It translated Born, Marr & Died correctly even though there are no translations for those explicit words in the language pack.

So it looks like the translation for Birth also handles Born, and likewise for Marriage/Marr and Death/Died.

So try Tools > Preferences > International with Default Output Language: Slovene and produced a Diagram chart.

It may already handle those translations.

 

Alternatively, in the ‘Edit Translation Tables for …’ dialogue have you tried the New… button to Create New translations?

That seems to be the way to add missing word translations.

I suggest you use the Help buttons in these dialogues to obtain pages of advice.

 


Translating charts

jerebinho@...
 

Hi,
I was trying to translate charts/diagrams from English to Slovene, but the list of words under option Tools - Language packs - xy language pack (Slovene in my case) - Edit, does not offer words "Born", "Married", "Died" for translation. How can I translate the chart so I can share it to people, who are not familiar with English?

Thank you and best regards,

Miha


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Mike Tate
 

I've just double-checked my custom Query 'Birth Date from Age at Death' against the online calculators and found a mistake.

The corrected plugin is attached.

So after entering the Death event Date and Age, run the Query to discover the calculated Birth Date.


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Karin Schuette Weiss
 

Thank you Mike.

On 9/17/2021 3:01 AM, Mike Tate wrote:
Karin,
It was a bit more complex than I expected but the attached custom Query 'Birth Date from Age at Death' calculates Date of Birth from Death Date and Age.

So after entering the Death event Date and Age, run the Query to discover the calculated Birth Date.





Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Adrian Bruce
 

On Fri, 17 Sept 2021 at 20:10, Karin Schuette Weiss
<karinsw@frontier.com> wrote:
it is not a simple calculation, as months
have different numbers of days and there are also leap years to
consider. Boggles my mind. ...
Mine too - if you think about it, two people might both be (say) 20
years and 5 months old, but one might be days *older* than the other
because *their* 5 months had more 31 day months in it than the other
person's!! And that's not even thinking about leap years....

So I try to ignore ages written in years, months and days!

Adrian


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Karin Schuette Weiss
 

Lorna -

I agree with you one hundred percent.


But in the absence of a birth date, if you are given a date of
death and age at death - use it.  Then when I enter the resulting
date of birth, also note how I got that.


Having several date calculators come up with the same date - I
see that as a good thing, since it is not a simple calculation, as months
have different numbers of days and there are also leap years to
consider.  Boggles my mind.  But when several calculators come up
with the same date, I am hopeful they have some algorithm to handle
all that.


And of course your second reason to be skeptical is so right.   And these
are the same people who report years differently census to census, etc.
There is no reason to think that those death ages are always right or
even close.  Just some times it is all there is.


Karin Schuette Weiss


On 9/17/2021 7:11 AM, Lorna Craig via groups.io wrote:
I'd like to just add a word of caution about calculating a birth date from a precise age at death.    The fact that the sated age at death is precise (to the day) doesn't mean it is accurate! There are two possible causes of error:

1. The deceased, and their relatives, usually knew their birthday (day and month of the year) but sometimes got the year wrong and thought they were older or younger than they were.  I have seen at least two cases where the age at death had been recorded in years, months and days but although the months and days were right the number of years was wrong!

2. The person who recorded the age at death had to do the reverse of your calculation: they started with the birth date (or what they believed to be the birth date) and calculated the age from that.  They might have made a mistake in their calculation, and they probably didn't have the benefit of an online calculator!

Just bear in mind that precision is not the same as accuracy!

Lorna







Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Karin Schuette Weiss
 

Thank you.  Have now tried (and bookmarked) this one also.
Answer was the same. 

Karin Schuette Weiss


On 9/16/2021 2:13 PM, MichaelM wrote:
There are a number of date calculators online, for example https://www.calendar-12.com/date_add_days

Michael

16 September 2021 at 21:13
I am using FH Ver 7.0.8.2.

I am wanting to calculate a birth date.  I have the death date and
the exact age at death - 48 years 2 months 28 days.  I think I need
to use the age data entry assistant to do this, but I cannot figure out
how.

Thank you

Karin Schuette Weiss








Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Karin Schuette Weiss
 

Paul - Thank you.  Just tried this and got the same date as I
did from the one I found online.  I like yours especially as it
can go either backward or forward.  I have it bookmarked.

Karin Schuette Weiss


On 9/17/2021 2:12 AM, Paul Tanner-Tremaine wrote:
I have a simple date calculator on my website free to use at https://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/settlercalculator.php


Re: New user of V7

Mike Tate
 

I have no idea how activation passwords and “info” has anything to do with the failures you reported, but glad that you solved it.

,_._,_


Re: New user of V7

westonicf@...
 

Mike,
        Found the solution with the help of Ros.I thought I had lost the activation password (forgotten that it was in the email) so I was looking for a procedure to recover it. The procedure called for placing the word "info" at the end of the target ID of the Family Historian desktop icon. This was meant for older versions of the software. Removing it from the target ID cleared the problem. Sorry to bother you with this....Bob


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Lorna Craig
 

I'd like to just add a word of caution about calculating a birth date from a precise age at death.    The fact that the sated age at death is precise (to the day) doesn't mean it is accurate! There are two possible causes of error:

1. The deceased, and their relatives, usually knew their birthday (day and month of the year) but sometimes got the year wrong and thought they were older or younger than they were.  I have seen at least two cases where the age at death had been recorded in years, months and days but although the months and days were right the number of years was wrong!

2. The person who recorded the age at death had to do the reverse of your calculation: they started with the birth date (or what they believed to be the birth date) and calculated the age from that.  They might have made a mistake in their calculation, and they probably didn't have the benefit of an online calculator!

Just bear in mind that precision is not the same as accuracy!

Lorna


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

MichaelM
 

There are a number of date calculators online, for example https://www.calendar-12.com/date_add_days

Michael

16 September 2021 at 21:13
I am using FH Ver 7.0.8.2.

I am wanting to calculate a birth date.  I have the death date and
the exact age at death - 48 years 2 months 28 days.  I think I need
to use the age data entry assistant to do this, but I cannot figure out
how.

Thank you

Karin Schuette Weiss








Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Mike Tate
 

Karin,
It was a bit more complex than I expected but the attached custom Query 'Birth Date from Age at Death' calculates Date of Birth from Death Date and Age.

So after entering the Death event Date and Age, run the Query to discover the calculated Birth Date.


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Paul Tanner-Tremaine
 

I have a simple date calculator on my website free to use at https://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/settlercalculator.php


Re: Calculate Birth date from age at death

Karin Schuette Weiss
 

Mike -

Yes, it was the Age Entry Assistant.  A little sad it doesn't help with
what I wanted.


It is the first time in a while I really missed TMG - they had an age
calculator that did just what I wanted.

So I tried framing a question online and found a Tombstone
Birthday Calculator.  It did just what I wanted.


You are right that I could figure it myself, but I like having an easy way
(and a way to check if my brain works).  The calculation I had done
myself was  correct.

On 9/16/2021 2:09 PM, Mike Tate wrote:
I think you are referring to the Age Entry Assistant Dialog associated with the Age box of every fact.
That will help you enter the exact Age into the Death event but it does NOT help with calculating the Date of Birth.
You will have to figure that out yourself by subtracting the years, months and days from the Date of Death.





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