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Re: Incremental Record IDs

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

FH has never reused record numbers.

 

If you want to renumber everything, use Tools> Record Identifiers > Generate New Records IDs starting from 1.

 

However, if the record number are important to you (perhaps because you’ve used them in a filing scheme or on a website that you can’t easily regenerate with the new numbers) this will not be what you want.

 

Most people seem to leave the numbers untouched (i.e. allow FH to allocate them) and live with any gaps.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 30 August 2021 14:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Incremental Record IDs

 

Can someone help please.

By mistake, I added some people into a wrong project which, once realised, I then deleted the relevant individuals, families, places and any other fact about these people that I could find.

However, when I next went to add someone to the same project, I noticed that the next Record ID allocated was the one after the people I had just deleted which then left a gap in the Record ID numbering.  I'm sure I've done this in the past and FH has then re-used the first deleted ID (I envisioned FH learnt the "next number" when loading the Gedcom file).

I've tried re-starting my project several times (having "saved" it without the unwanted entries) and every time the same thing happens.

I'm assuming there is something somewhere related to the project / Gedcom which records the last number used but I cannot find where / how to reset this.

I am using FH Ver 6.2.7

Many thanks

Brian


Incremental Record IDs

Brian Horridge
 

Can someone help please.

By mistake, I added some people into a wrong project which, once realised, I then deleted the relevant individuals, families, places and any other fact about these people that I could find.

However, when I next went to add someone to the same project, I noticed that the next Record ID allocated was the one after the people I had just deleted which then left a gap in the Record ID numbering.  I'm sure I've done this in the past and FH has then re-used the first deleted ID (I envisioned FH learnt the "next number" when loading the Gedcom file).

I've tried re-starting my project several times (having "saved" it without the unwanted entries) and every time the same thing happens.

I'm assuming there is something somewhere related to the project / Gedcom which records the last number used but I cannot find where / how to reset this.

I am using FH Ver 6.2.7

Many thanks

Brian





Re: Ancestry Gedcom file

Pat Haefner
 

Perfect.


On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 8:35 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

No, use Roots Magic, which is free.



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Re: Ancestry Gedcom file

Mike Tate
 

No, use Roots Magic, which is free.


Re: Ancestry Gedcom file

Pat Haefner
 

Thanks Mike,

I just read through the info so other then buying FTM my only other option is to download all of my media one by one from Ancestry and then save it in FH. Is that about right?

Thanks,
Pat


Re: Ancestry Gedcom file

Mike Tate
 

Welcome Pat.

That is a common problem that users encounter when migrating from online trees to PC based genealogy programs.

Online trees from such as Ancestry and FindMyPast do NOT export the Media with the GEDCOM.

What you can see are the Media records that are trying to link to the online Media, but can never succeed.

 

The FHUG Knowledge Base has advice for users migrating from other products and importing to Family Historian.

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/importing-to-family-historian/

The section on ‘Import from Ancestry website’ has specific advice on using Family Tree Maker or Roots Magic as an intermediary to preserve Media.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 


Ancestry Gedcom file

Pat Haefner
 

I am new to FH. I uploaded my Ancestry file to FH version 6.2.7, when I look at the media window it shows that they are there but I can't view them. What happened and can I fix this so I don't lose all of my media. 

Thanks
Pat


Re: Family Historian

Mike Tate
 

Just try running the Search For Orphans standard Query.

It lists everyone grouped by their Pool number.

Typically, your main family tree with all your relatives is in Pool number 1.

Anyone in a different Pool is totally unrelated to you either directly or by marriage.

So if you are not interested in such unrelated people then bulk delete them as follows.

Select them and use the cog Query Menu > Add Select Cell Records to Named List.

Then right-click the Named List and choose Delete Listed Records…

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Family Historian

Yasmin Gibbins
 

Thanks again, I missed all the talk about Pool Numbers so don't know how the work I have looked through the help files on the system but they are not very clear.
What I have managed to do which I think will work. When I imported the file I set a source as the person that sent it to me so I ran a query on links to that source and have come up with over 200 names.
I think I am going to admit defeat and just leave them in my tree for the time being.


Re: Family Historian

Victor Markham
 

I tend to copy my FH gedcom file to Family Tree Maker. FH describes many name as not directly related FTM does give a description like '3rd great grandmother of wife of Victor Markham' at least that provides a link. Whilst I am not directly related my children are. Other descriptions are ' cousin of cousin of wife of brother'

This is the only reason I have FTM I always work on FH as my default tree

Victor

On 25/08/2021 5:18 pm, Yasmin Gibbins wrote:
Thank you to everyone for your help and advice. The problem is I have managed to import a GEDCOM sent to me and whilst some of the people on it are related to me there are a lot that have no information apart from names and I am not sure that they are even linked and if they are it is so far removed and back that I am getting completely confused. I did think about just going through and deleting everyone accept the the person that links to my tree. But it seems like a lot of work. I have tried creating a query to do it, I have looked at the charts but cant see the one I want.
It was a stupid mistake to make as I have always tried to make sure that I note all my sources and evidence. I am planning to visit a record office and was trying to sort out the information I am missing based on my previous research there before lock down.


Re: Family Historian

Jenny Cochrane
 

Yasmin - As I'm sure you know yourself, the problem here is one of organisation which FH has many ways of managing, depending on personal preference and circumstance. However, there may be no substitute for some methodical filtering and research which the tools in FH can help with. At the moment you can't see wood for trees, so you need to take a deep breath and chop down a few branches one at a time!!

Without knowing the detail and trying to keep it simple, I would not split the tree as everyone else agrees. I would go through all the individuals and mark those lacking information/needing research with an appropriate flag and add them to a list as you go. So maybe you might have a list for those who need their identity checking, another for those who simply need more detailed research or individuals relevant to a records office. Just don't end up with too many lists and start off with bite size chunks! 

The new Notes function in FH7 is excellent, allowing you to add research/to do hashtags to notes and the records window has a separate tab for Research Notes which I find very useful when those ideas strike and I know I will forget them all too quickly!

I wouldn't delete everyone who isn't directly linked to you. Some of my most interesting lines of inquiry have been with distant relatives and surprisingly often events link back to closer connections or illuminate family stories.

I would also echo using charts to get a feel for relationships and using the hide branch buttons as necessary.

Good luck

Jenny 





Re: Family Historian

Mike Tate
 

When you say you have imported a GEDCOM do you mean you have recently File Merged a GEDCOM into your main Project?

 

I can understand why that might cause a problem if many of the merged records are of no interest to you.

 

If it is only a recent merge, can you revert your main Project to a Backup taken just before the merge?

 

Then the way forward would be to create a separate Project from that GEDCOM and split out the people of no interest.

People who are not related to anyone in your tree will have a different Relationship Pool number, so are easily identified.

We have discussed Relationship Pool numbers here before but do you need a reminder?

The first step is to run the Search For Orphans standard Query which despite its name actually just lists people by Pool number.

 

If you cannot revert your main Project then that Query would also help you find unrelated people.

 

Mike Tate


Re: Family Historian

Yasmin Gibbins
 

Thank you to everyone for your help and advice. The problem is I have managed to import a GEDCOM sent to me and whilst some of the people on it are related to me there are a lot that have no information apart from names and I am not sure that they are even linked and if they are it is so far removed and back that I am getting completely confused. I did think about just going through and deleting everyone accept the the person that links to my tree. But it seems like a lot of work. I have tried creating a query to do it, I have looked at the charts but cant see the one I want.
It was a stupid mistake to make as I have always tried to make sure that I note all my sources and evidence. I am planning to visit a record office and was trying to sort out the information I am missing based on my previous research there before lock down.


Re: misiing census record flag in diagrams

Mike Tate
 

Robert,

You have gradually provided a lot more background to this issue following your initial posting.

I was only trying to help based on the information you provided.

Since it turns out to be a fault in the FH program that Calico Pie will presumably fix, then you no longer need my assistance.

 

 


Re: misiing census record flag in diagrams

Robert Jordan
 

Mike
Just to be absolutely clear. After restoring the project it looked OK as I had not noticed the many citations had gone missing. Apart from that everything was normal all the records were there as were the facts in the property box. That led me to believe that another file had been corrupted. I have been in contact with Calico Pie who have admitted that the back up process had "truncated" the backup file. So it was perfectly reasonable for me to say that it was not the ged.com file as that on the face of it, it looked  to be OK. The problem was caused by another file in the backup/restore process which had truncated the ged.com file used in the back up and then the restore process, so I was right in my initial analysis.

You say you are not comfortable with having the same live project stored in 5 different location.

Let me explain.

I have two Hard drives connected to the Router. One (Main drive)is used for everyday working and is switched on all day. The other is used only for the purposes of backing up the first drive and is switched on daily only whilst backing up so that it has minimal access to the internet in the event of hacking.

I did have a problem with the main hard drive some years ago which had to be replaced however, it was a very simple task to download all the data from the back up hard drive to the new main drive.

In addition I have two portable hard drives. connected to computers by USB ports. They are generally not connected. One is connected only for the purpose of backing up from the main drive and is then disconnected. The second is only connected when the internet connection is switched off and is used to back up from the other portable hard drive. This portable hard drive is backed up once a week as it is kept off premises should a disaster occur and the remaining hard drives are destroyed. All the other backups are backed up daily so thy will be identical.

For the sake of completeness the fifth back up is to a memory stick which I used to used to store the FH data but which I no longer use regularly but find useful if I go to another location where I want to use FH. This too is backed up daily so that  I always have have access to the latest data in FH.

I use AllwaySync software for all these backups, this is excellent software and it takes less than two minutes to back up changes to my FH project which is time well spent as far as I am concerned. Perhaps you should review your own backing up regime.

With regard to your comments about reading the knowledge base. I restored my project some months ago after FH crashed without any reason I read the manual and followed the instructions and everything was OK. Recently I followed the same procedure and things went wrong. Now I would put it to you that suppose some months ago you had a puncture, you read the manual and successfully changed the wheel. Then yesterday you had another puncture you followed the same procedure as before and the wheel fell off. Would you care to be told that you should have read the manual again before attempting the second wheel change, I think not. In my case the problem lay with the back up/restore process not anything I did wrong as I described earlier.

Robert









On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 11:46, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

So contrary to your claim that it can’t be the GEDCOM file that is at fault, it is the GEDCOM file that has lost some Citations for some Census facts for some people.

That means those same people will show the same Census icons regardless of which Diagram they appear in, which is what I was trying to discover.

 

When you create a Project Backup you use the FH File > Backup/Restore commands.

To recover a Project Backup you must also use the FH File > Backup/Restore commands. The clue is in the name Backup & Restore.

I advise against manipulating the backup ZIP files outside FH.

That is all explained in the FH Help page for Backups:

https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help/fh7/hh_start.htm#backups.html

 

Also, you should not be tinkering with ~fh6DAC.tmp files that are a side effect of a failure and a recipe for disaster.

 

I am not comfortable with the idea of having the same live Project stored in five different places. How do you synchronise them?

 

Snapshots are a good way of recovering GEDCOM only data but do not cover any other Project files such as Media.

That is explained in the FH Help page for the Snapshot Manager:

https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help/fh7/hh_start.htm#snapshotmanager.html

 

There is also the FHUG Knowledge Base advice on Backup and Recovery that I strongly suggest you read and understand:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/backup-and-recovery/

In particular, FH Project Backups and Snapshots do NOT backup your customised Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, etc, etc…

 

Have you now recovered your Project to a satisfactory state or do you need to merge the Project that has all the Census Citations with the later Project that has recently added records?

 

It may also be a good idea to discuss your Backup regime as it has clearly let you down.

 

Mike Tate


Re: misiing census record flag in diagrams

Trevor Rix
 

Robert,

I have multiple backups in multiple places, and over four decades of computer experience. My FTTP broadband has not gone down for over five years now.

My Family Historian is set to save every minute as I work to my desktop PC drive C, to Windows File History on an external drive, and to Dropbox. The same applies for other frequently used programs/data.

I also use ARQ that automatically backs up the whole of my drive C to Dropbox several times a day. In addition I make periodic backups to several external hard drives, Aomei Backuppper and Windows to create hard drive images, and six other cloud destinations for non-critical data.

In the context of this topic, corrupted Family Historian data, if I ever encountered an issue I could easily restore at one minute intervals back in time until I find an uncorrupted version. I have always paid extra for Dropbox Packrat that gives me unlimited version history forever, and unlimited access to deleted data forever; which for me is cheap insurance. Dropbox is secure enough for my purposes. Since 2009 I have never encountered a problem with Dropbox.

https://help.dropbox.com/accounts-billing/security/how-security-works

Trevor


Re: misiing census record flag in diagrams

Mike Tate
 

Robert, with all due respect, some of your comments contain a number of misconceptions.

 

Firstly, there is some truth in cloud security issues but they are minimal as most of the data is in the public domain already, which is probably where you obtained it.

There are far more fruitful targets for hackers to attack.

On the other hand, purely local storage has its own risks due to fire, flood, theft, hardware failure, etc.

However, I recognise that your fifth point compensates for most of those risks and I agree local storage is a worthwhile extra backup.

 

Secondly, I purchase Office 365 for £60 per year that gives me the latest office products on several devices plus 1 Terabyte of OneDrive cloud storage.

So that is twice what you need at half the cost, and with Office 365 included, which is NOT a cloud product but installed apps (Word, Excel, etc) on my PC.

 

Thirdly, if the Internet is down you still have full access to all your data which is stored on both your PC and in the cloud and on any other PC synchronised to the same OneDrive account. It is a common misconception that you need Internet access to use OneDrive data which is not true.

 

Fourthly, as explained above, your data is on your PC just like now, so other people will have no problem accessing it.

You could even arrange with such people to share your OneDrive account so they have backup copies all the time.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: misiing census record flag in diagrams

Robert Jordan
 

Dear Trevor
With respect I have to disagree with you.

Firstly, the data stored on the cloud is as easy to hack into as anything else so it would not be wise to store any personal or sensitive data in the cloud.
Secondly, I have over 500 GByte of data which would cost in the region of £120 per year to obtain cloud storage. That is enough to buy two 1 Terabyte hard drive devices per year if anything should go wrong with them.
Thirdly,  the internet is often going down in which case you lose access to your data, whereas I will always have it under control.
Fourthly If anything should happen to me unexpectedly, then other people may experience not only difficulties in accessing the data but also additional costs in downloading it or transferring it.
Fifthly as far as disaster protection is concerned, one of my hard drive devices is kept off my premises so that in a disaster and the house was completely destroyed .I would still have access to my data.

I would think very carefully about using cloud storage. I would recommend that you have at least one external hard drive device, they only cost about £60, to give you peace of mind.

Robert



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On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 10:51, Trevor Rix <trevor@...> wrote:
Robert, with respect, your backup regime does not appear to include building disaster protection. These days additional backups in the cloud are essential.


Re: Family Historian

Geoff Johnson
 

A year or so ago Asmin, I was managing my family history in 5 separate projects.  It was becoming increasingly difficult, and I was needing repeated project switches.
I signed up to this wonderful Forum and read comments from the pundits.  They all expressed the view that I should merge them into `one big-un'.
So I did - Good move!
Not looked back since, other than to find one silly error that came up very recently; linking incorrectly two entirely different people with the same name.
My advice too is to stick with your current position, and perhaps focus on your navigation techniques.  I also find it crucial to have good management on birth-years.  Having ten William Johnsons in your Individual Records column is not good unless each can be identified by birth year.  I'm quite religious in listing Facts and Media as`Frederick Johnson b1845' for example.
Don't Unmerge!
Geoff J


Re: misiing census record flag in diagrams

Mike Tate
 

So contrary to your claim that it can’t be the GEDCOM file that is at fault, it is the GEDCOM file that has lost some Citations for some Census facts for some people.

That means those same people will show the same Census icons regardless of which Diagram they appear in, which is what I was trying to discover.

 

When you create a Project Backup you use the FH File > Backup/Restore commands.

To recover a Project Backup you must also use the FH File > Backup/Restore commands. The clue is in the name Backup & Restore.

I advise against manipulating the backup ZIP files outside FH.

That is all explained in the FH Help page for Backups:

https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help/fh7/hh_start.htm#backups.html

 

Also, you should not be tinkering with ~fh6DAC.tmp files that are a side effect of a failure and a recipe for disaster.

 

I am not comfortable with the idea of having the same live Project stored in five different places. How do you synchronise them?

 

Snapshots are a good way of recovering GEDCOM only data but do not cover any other Project files such as Media.

That is explained in the FH Help page for the Snapshot Manager:

https://www.family-historian.co.uk/help/fh7/hh_start.htm#snapshotmanager.html

 

There is also the FHUG Knowledge Base advice on Backup and Recovery that I strongly suggest you read and understand:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/backup-and-recovery/

In particular, FH Project Backups and Snapshots do NOT backup your customised Diagrams, Reports, Queries, Plugins, Fact Sets, etc, etc…

 

Have you now recovered your Project to a satisfactory state or do you need to merge the Project that has all the Census Citations with the later Project that has recently added records?

 

It may also be a good idea to discuss your Backup regime as it has clearly let you down.

 

Mike Tate

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