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Re: Membership of ancestry.com

Randy Dykhuis
 

Not sure whether this is true worldwide, but in the US, Proquest, the vendor for the library version of Ancestry, announced the extension of home access to the library version through the end of September and said they would reconsider then what to do. It should also be mentioned that the library version is quite different from what you get with an individual subscription. While you can download images, you cannot attach them to your Ancestry family tree. In fact, with the library version, you have no ability to edit your family tree on Ancestry at all. For those us who only use Ancestry as a data source and keep our tree elsewhere, home access to the library version is a huge gift. If, however, you want to maintain your tree on Ancestry you will still need your own individual subscription.


From: "Jane Wilson" <janefwilson195@...>
To: "family-historian@groups.io" <family-historian@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 9:41:51 AM
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Membership of ancestry.com

I'm in Hertfordshire and we can  log in to our  local  library with our membership card and pin number from own computer at home. We get free access to Ancestry but not Find my Past. Not sure for how much longer though. Jane


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Sue Paul
 

Lorna

Yes, you are correct. I was using the wrong terminology. It was the media records that went missing. I have not tried Mike's solution yet having just returned from visiting my elderly mother but, from what you and Mike have said, I am confident that the solution MIke suggested will work.

Kind regards,

Sue

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 11:25, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Sue,

 

Hopefully you are well on your way to sorting things out now, but it would be helpful to understand exactly what went missing.

 

There’s an important difference between a media file and a media record, so can you confirm exactly what was missing?  A media file is typically (but not necessarily) an image file in JPG format, and if you are using the standard FH project structure these files will be held in the Media folder of your project.  A media record is a type of record within FH which links to one of your media files.

 

So when you say “Family Historian only has 2301 out of 7544 media files it should hold” do you mean the files have disappeared from the media folder of you project?  Or just that there are no longer any media records in FH corresponding to those files?  I suspect, and hope, you mean the latter because you said they are not showing as broken links which is what would happen if there was a media record without a corresponding media file.  If so, restoring to a recent gedcom backup or a recent snapshot (as Mike suggested) should put things right.  Good luck!

 

Lorna

 

From: Sue Paul
Sent: 18 May 2021 11:08
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] All Source Citations Lost for One Project

 

Mike

 

Thanks. I am grateful for the advice which is just what I was looking for. My primary concern was not making matters worse by trying to recover the situation in the wrong way. 

 

Incidentally, I do a full back-up to two different external devices weekly. I simply forgot to mention them in my panic. However, from what you say, I should be able to recover with less loss of work.

 


Re: Membership of ancestry.com

Jane Wilson
 

I'm in Hertfordshire and we can  log in to our  local  library with our membership card and pin number from own computer at home. We get free access to Ancestry but not Find my Past. Not sure for how much longer though. Jane


Re: Date of death Column

Mike C
 

I work mainly with diagrams visible, and the Property Box open on RH side.
For a child who dies before maturity - 'Add fact>Add child count' = 0.
Right-click the diagram, then on 'Diagram options>General' there is a checkbox 'No-offspring marker' and on 'Options' set a vibrant colour for the line.
Now it is instantly obvious in the diagram which individuals will never have descendants.
Also useful for adults where it is known or suspected (none found in GRO) there are no offspring.
 


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Lorna Craig
 

Hi Sue,

 

Hopefully you are well on your way to sorting things out now, but it would be helpful to understand exactly what went missing.

 

There’s an important difference between a media file and a media record, so can you confirm exactly what was missing?  A media file is typically (but not necessarily) an image file in JPG format, and if you are using the standard FH project structure these files will be held in the Media folder of your project.  A media record is a type of record within FH which links to one of your media files.

 

So when you say “Family Historian only has 2301 out of 7544 media files it should hold” do you mean the files have disappeared from the media folder of you project?  Or just that there are no longer any media records in FH corresponding to those files?  I suspect, and hope, you mean the latter because you said they are not showing as broken links which is what would happen if there was a media record without a corresponding media file.  If so, restoring to a recent gedcom backup or a recent snapshot (as Mike suggested) should put things right.  Good luck!

 

Lorna

 

From: Sue Paul
Sent: 18 May 2021 11:08
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] All Source Citations Lost for One Project

 

Mike

 

Thanks. I am grateful for the advice which is just what I was looking for. My primary concern was not making matters worse by trying to recover the situation in the wrong way. 

 

Incidentally, I do a full back-up to two different external devices weekly. I simply forgot to mention them in my panic. However, from what you say, I should be able to recover with less loss of work.

 


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Sue Paul
 

Mike

Thanks. I am grateful for the advice which is just what I was looking for. My primary concern was not making matters worse by trying to recover the situation in the wrong way. 

Incidentally, I do a full back-up to two different external devices weekly. I simply forgot to mention them in my panic. However, from what you say, I should be able to recover with less loss of work.

Kind regards,

Sue

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 10:18, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Sue,

I am sorry to hear about your problems but it reinforces the importance of regular backups preferably to external storage media.

What if instead of a memory glitch your disk drive or whole PC had failed? Then you would lose all Projects and all Media files too!

 

Apart from your GEDCOM only FH Backups, FH also keeps regular snapshots of your GEDCOM file for each Project.

So use the File > Backup/Restore > Revert to Snapshot… command and review the Snapshot Taken dates.

Choose the one that you think will be just before the failures occurred and click Revert to Snapshot…

You can repeat that process for different dates as often as you like until you get the best outcome.

 

Having got back to some state of normality please review your backup regime.

See FHUG Knowledge Base ~ Backup and Recovery:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/backup-and-recovery/

That has specific advice for FH and general advice near the end about Making a Safe Backup to external storage media.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Lesley Lambourne
 

Sorry Mike - thought I was typing the FB page ...doh!


On Tue, 18 May 2021, 10:08 Lesley Lambourne via groups.io, <lesley.lambourne=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
It would be a good idea to pop this question on the forum which you can access from the FH Help menu. There may already be a thread on there that will help you..

On Tue, 18 May 2021, 08:18 Sue Paul, <suecarolpaul@...> wrote:
Further investigation shows the media file problem is larger than I initially thought. Family Historian only has 2301 out of 7544 media files it should hold.

I could re-add the missing files manually but it will take a very long time.

Kind regards,

Sue

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 07:35, Sue Paul via groups.io <suecarolpaul=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good morning

I have a technical issue I hope someone can advise on.

Yesterday, whilst using Family Historian, my laptop fell over with a memory issue. The subsequent scan of my laptop found no issues but, this morning, I have noticed two problems:

  1. I have lost all my source citations from the project. I have two other projects and they have not lost their source citations. To avoid panic, I am assuming that it is unlikely that I have lost the source citation data but that the link to them has been lost but, if so, how do I get them back?
  2. I have lost a percentage of my media files [links?]. It appears to be most of the most recently added [just over 3 weeks] but also some added earlier. The media is still on file but they have disappeared completely from Family Historian. They are not showing as broken links. The four media files I added before I noticed the problem are showing the full link [c://.../media/....] rather than the shortened link [media/...]for all the earlier files.
I take a Gedcom file only backup each time I exit Family Historian and still have the last 9. The oldest is from 26 April 2021. I would rather not restore back that far but, if that would cure the two problems, it would not be a disaster. However, I am unsure if that would fix the problems so am reluctant to do it without advice.

As my other two projects are OK, I cannot see that reinstalling Family Historian will help.

I am currently still using version 6 as I am in the middle of a huge tidy-up of my one-name study project. [I intend to upgrade as soon as I have finished.]

Many thanks for simply reading this. Any help you can give will be gratefully received.

Kind regards,

Sue


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Mike Tate
 

 

Please don’t ask the same question in two Forums. The same experts monitor both.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lesley Lambourne
Sent: 18 May 2021 10:08
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] All Source Citations Lost for One Project

 

It would be a good idea to pop this question on the forum which you can access from the FH Help menu. There may already be a thread on there that will help you..

 


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Mike Tate
 

Sue,

I am sorry to hear about your problems but it reinforces the importance of regular backups preferably to external storage media.

What if instead of a memory glitch your disk drive or whole PC had failed? Then you would lose all Projects and all Media files too!

 

Apart from your GEDCOM only FH Backups, FH also keeps regular snapshots of your GEDCOM file for each Project.

So use the File > Backup/Restore > Revert to Snapshot… command and review the Snapshot Taken dates.

Choose the one that you think will be just before the failures occurred and click Revert to Snapshot…

You can repeat that process for different dates as often as you like until you get the best outcome.

 

Having got back to some state of normality please review your backup regime.

See FHUG Knowledge Base ~ Backup and Recovery:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/backup-and-recovery/

That has specific advice for FH and general advice near the end about Making a Safe Backup to external storage media.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Lesley Lambourne
 

It would be a good idea to pop this question on the forum which you can access from the FH Help menu. There may already be a thread on there that will help you..


On Tue, 18 May 2021, 08:18 Sue Paul, <suecarolpaul@...> wrote:
Further investigation shows the media file problem is larger than I initially thought. Family Historian only has 2301 out of 7544 media files it should hold.

I could re-add the missing files manually but it will take a very long time.

Kind regards,

Sue

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 07:35, Sue Paul via groups.io <suecarolpaul=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good morning

I have a technical issue I hope someone can advise on.

Yesterday, whilst using Family Historian, my laptop fell over with a memory issue. The subsequent scan of my laptop found no issues but, this morning, I have noticed two problems:

  1. I have lost all my source citations from the project. I have two other projects and they have not lost their source citations. To avoid panic, I am assuming that it is unlikely that I have lost the source citation data but that the link to them has been lost but, if so, how do I get them back?
  2. I have lost a percentage of my media files [links?]. It appears to be most of the most recently added [just over 3 weeks] but also some added earlier. The media is still on file but they have disappeared completely from Family Historian. They are not showing as broken links. The four media files I added before I noticed the problem are showing the full link [c://.../media/....] rather than the shortened link [media/...]for all the earlier files.
I take a Gedcom file only backup each time I exit Family Historian and still have the last 9. The oldest is from 26 April 2021. I would rather not restore back that far but, if that would cure the two problems, it would not be a disaster. However, I am unsure if that would fix the problems so am reluctant to do it without advice.

As my other two projects are OK, I cannot see that reinstalling Family Historian will help.

I am currently still using version 6 as I am in the middle of a huge tidy-up of my one-name study project. [I intend to upgrade as soon as I have finished.]

Many thanks for simply reading this. Any help you can give will be gratefully received.

Kind regards,

Sue


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

ShaneB
 

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:37 PM, Sue Paul wrote:
I am hoping that will be the solution but, with all due respect, as the problems seem unusual I am hoping someone with more experience of Family Historian confirms that it is the best route before I do anything that will make the problem worse.
Good idea! Better to listen to someone who knows that they're talking about. :-)

Hope it works out.


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Sue Paul
 

Andy

Thanks for the suggestion. I had not  thought of doing that. The latest two backups are substantially smaller. Perhaps indicating that a restore to an older backup would cure the problems.

Kind regards,

Sue

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 09:21, <andy@...> wrote:
Sue, 

I'd hold fire for a while before you do anything drastic. If your pc has a memory problem, it may just be that the citations and media are not being displayed properly and are really still there.

A simple check might be to look at the size of your last saved gedcom file and compare it to the size of the zipped file in your earlier backups. If the size is not substantially smaller, it may indicate a display problem.

Other users are much more experienced with this sort of stuff than I am, and they may well offer better help, but I advise waiting for a while until they can assist.

Hope it all turns out to be something simple and that no harm is done!


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Sue Paul
 

Shane

I am hoping that will be the solution but, with all due respect, as the problems seem unusual I am hoping someone with more experience of Family Historian confirms that it is the best route before I do anything that will make the problem worse.

Kind regards,

Sue

On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 08:37, ShaneB <shane@...> wrote:
Hi Sue

With the caveat that what I know about FH I could write on the back of a postage stamp: do you have a backup? Surely doing a recovery that way would get you close to where you were yesterday?

Good luck

Shane


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Andy Kennedy
 

Sue, 

I'd hold fire for a while before you do anything drastic. If your pc has a memory problem, it may just be that the citations and media are not being displayed properly and are really still there.

A simple check might be to look at the size of your last saved gedcom file and compare it to the size of the zipped file in your earlier backups. If the size is not substantially smaller, it may indicate a display problem.

Other users are much more experienced with this sort of stuff than I am, and they may well offer better help, but I advise waiting for a while until they can assist.

Hope it all turns out to be something simple and that no harm is done!


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

ShaneB
 

Hi Sue

With the caveat that what I know about FH I could write on the back of a postage stamp: do you have a backup? Surely doing a recovery that way would get you close to where you were yesterday?

Good luck

Shane


Re: All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Sue Paul
 

Further investigation shows the media file problem is larger than I initially thought. Family Historian only has 2301 out of 7544 media files it should hold.

I could re-add the missing files manually but it will take a very long time.

Kind regards,

Sue


On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 07:35, Sue Paul via groups.io <suecarolpaul=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good morning

I have a technical issue I hope someone can advise on.

Yesterday, whilst using Family Historian, my laptop fell over with a memory issue. The subsequent scan of my laptop found no issues but, this morning, I have noticed two problems:

  1. I have lost all my source citations from the project. I have two other projects and they have not lost their source citations. To avoid panic, I am assuming that it is unlikely that I have lost the source citation data but that the link to them has been lost but, if so, how do I get them back?
  2. I have lost a percentage of my media files [links?]. It appears to be most of the most recently added [just over 3 weeks] but also some added earlier. The media is still on file but they have disappeared completely from Family Historian. They are not showing as broken links. The four media files I added before I noticed the problem are showing the full link [c://.../media/....] rather than the shortened link [media/...]for all the earlier files.
I take a Gedcom file only backup each time I exit Family Historian and still have the last 9. The oldest is from 26 April 2021. I would rather not restore back that far but, if that would cure the two problems, it would not be a disaster. However, I am unsure if that would fix the problems so am reluctant to do it without advice.

As my other two projects are OK, I cannot see that reinstalling Family Historian will help.

I am currently still using version 6 as I am in the middle of a huge tidy-up of my one-name study project. [I intend to upgrade as soon as I have finished.]

Many thanks for simply reading this. Any help you can give will be gratefully received.

Kind regards,

Sue


All Source Citations Lost for One Project

Sue Paul
 

Good morning

I have a technical issue I hope someone can advise on.

Yesterday, whilst using Family Historian, my laptop fell over with a memory issue. The subsequent scan of my laptop found no issues but, this morning, I have noticed two problems:

  1. I have lost all my source citations from the project. I have two other projects and they have not lost their source citations. To avoid panic, I am assuming that it is unlikely that I have lost the source citation data but that the link to them has been lost but, if so, how do I get them back?
  2. I have lost a percentage of my media files [links?]. It appears to be most of the most recently added [just over 3 weeks] but also some added earlier. The media is still on file but they have disappeared completely from Family Historian. They are not showing as broken links. The four media files I added before I noticed the problem are showing the full link [c://.../media/....] rather than the shortened link [media/...]for all the earlier files.
I take a Gedcom file only backup each time I exit Family Historian and still have the last 9. The oldest is from 26 April 2021. I would rather not restore back that far but, if that would cure the two problems, it would not be a disaster. However, I am unsure if that would fix the problems so am reluctant to do it without advice.

As my other two projects are OK, I cannot see that reinstalling Family Historian will help.

I am currently still using version 6 as I am in the middle of a huge tidy-up of my one-name study project. [I intend to upgrade as soon as I have finished.]

Many thanks for simply reading this. Any help you can give will be gratefully received.

Kind regards,

Sue


Re: Membership of ancestry.com

Lyell Horwood
 

Free access to Ancestry via my local library from home is also available in Australia. I live in Melbourne and can access this via free online sign up at my local library and our State Library of Victoria. 
Lyell


Re: Data Transfer

UK kris
 

In my case I use ancestral sources so I’m auto entering baptism info then if need be I enter just the year (obviously could  be out) in the birth field. 

Kristeen Simpkin

On 17 May 2021, at 5:37 pm, David Nicoll <david_nicoll@...> wrote:



Following Nev’s question on shifting Birth dates to Baptisms…

 

I’ve been similarly relaxed about storing Baptism dates as birth dates pre-1837 as whether you’re using Family Historian or one of the online systems, that’s the easiest way to get a “birth” date displaying on the screen.

 

What would be really helpful to know is how to set up FH so that if there is no Birth date stored for an individual but there is a Baptism date for them, diagrams (or reports for that matter) display a Baptism date where the Birth date would normally display, preferebly with the ability to put some text against it like an asterisk so that you can quickly see that it’s Baptism not Birth.

 

With this facility, at least in FH the temptation to be relaxed on this would go!

 

I assume that someone has solved this somewhere if someone could point me in the right direction pls!

 

Thanks

 

David

 

 

 

 


Re: Membership of ancestry.com

Neil Grantham
 

Yes you can,

Save > Send Image Home


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Cathy Roberts" <roberts.research36@...>
To: "family-historian@groups.io" <family-historian@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, 17 May, 2021 At 21:01
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Membership of ancestry.com

Ancestry Library edition allows you to email the records you find back to yourself - or it did a couple of years ago. At present a lot of libraries are allowing home access because of covid-19 but I don't know how long that will last. It's particularly useful if you have a British subscription but just need the odd foreign record!
Cheers
Cathy

On Mon, 17 May 2021, 20:42 Victor Markham via groups.io, <victor=markham.me.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I was referring to the library computers forgot to mention flash drives.


Victor

On 17/05/2021 8:40 pm, Neil Grantham via groups.io wrote:
Victor,


Your library may differ, but I was able to save data from Ancestry Library Edition to a USB stick on the Library PC.

Not quite sure how you'd get it from the Library PC to your laptop any other way?


Best Wishes


Neil.



------ Original Message ------ From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...> To: family-historian@groups.io Sent: Monday, 17 May, 2021 At 20:37 Subject: Re: [family-historian] Membership of ancestry.com

When you go to the library take your lap top (if you have one) so you can download and save anything yomay want from Ancestry. You can't do that on the library computers.

It has been awhile since I did anything like this so the library rules may have changed. Come to think of it I used some libraries outside my area.

Victor

On 17/05/2021 7:33 pm, james o'kelly wrote:
Thank you, suzyblue, will check out our local library,
On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 5:39 PM suzyblue via groups.io <suzyblue=talktalk.net@groups.io> wrote:
Re: ancestry Dont know if you are in the UK but here in Devon we can access both Ancestry and Find My past for free at the local library. I know it is nowhere near as handy as having it at home but it is cheaper!!

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Neil Grantham
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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


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Neil Grantham
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Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.

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