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Re: Gedcom help

Helena Coney
 

Hello Mike

 

I have spent the last two days inputting the occupations manually in the new FH files but still have the main file of over 17000 names to do!  I am still waiting a reply from S&N.  The only other missing information is relating to the census – the date and address are there but not the age or description/occupation – this is in FH.

 

I received Tree View for Christmas and transferred all my files from Roots magic, hence me still having a back up of the Roots magic files.  However I have made various updates since then (no record kept) so would prefer to use the TV Gedcom and merge it in either FH with the RM Gedcom or in RM and then transfer to FH!

 

Which is the best way to merge in FH?  The TV into the RM or RM into TV?

 

 

Helena

 

The bladon family history study

Registered with the Guild of One-Name Studies

https://bladonfamilyhistory.wordpress.com
 

 

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 05 March 2021 10:50
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Gedcom help

 

Hi Helena,

There is a little confusion between the Occupation Fact and the Occupation Details but I understand now what you mean by empty.

 

TreeView is exporting the 1 OCCUpation fact but leaving out the ‘Details’ that should be on the same line. i.e. It is empty.

e.g. It should be like:

1 OCCU Doctor

 

Are there any other facts like that with ‘Details’ that are being omitted from the GEDCOM and need reporting to S&N?

Does it make any difference if such facts also have a value for Date, Place, Notes, etc?

 

FYI: In FH the Occupation shown on the Main tab is derived from the 1st Occupation fact listed on the Facts tab.

They are both the same entity. Most information on the Main tab is just a filtered view of details shown elsewhere.

 

I’m getting a bit confused about what data you have in TreeView, RootsMagic and FH.

Are you saying that RootsMagic does have the Occupation facts with their ‘Details’ included?

Does the merged RM & TV data in the FH Facts tab have both RM Occupations with ‘Details’ and similar TV Occupations but without ‘Details’?

If so, then it would be easy to delete all the TV Occupation facts without ‘Details’ in FH.

e.g. You could manually delete the empty Occupation for Thomas Bladon and then the RM Occupation Details will appear on the Main tab.

Does that sound like a solution? If so, then I can explain how to bulk delete all those empty Occupation facts.

The only caveat is that any Occupation ‘Details’ added in TV since December will get deleted and need adding manually.

 

The alternative is to wait and see if S&N can fix the GEDCOM export fault.

 

Mike

 

 


Re: Export Gedcom File - Place Tidy

Mike Tate
 

Dave,

I’m not sure what you mean by “identifies similar places”.

Are you thinking of the Conflicting Place Record Names warning with ‘Result Set’ and ‘Acknowledge’ options?

If you choose the ‘Result Set’ option then it does list them.

 

The plugin removes blank comma-separated Place parts and ensures every comma is followed by a space.

That is essentially the same Place name tidying that FH performs in Diagrams and Reports.

If the Plugin exported GEDCOM includes Place records, and the tidied Place names of two records are the same, then it raises the warning.

 

So is it only a list of such conflicting Place record names that you are proposing would be useful?

Why not use the Result Set produced by the Export Gedcom File plugin?

I suspect a review of Tools > Work with Data > Places or the Records Window Places tab would soon spot such conflicts.

 

As a challenge, why not write the Plugin yourself?

 

Mike

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of dave@...
Sent: 04 March 2021 23:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Export Gedcom File - Place Tidy

 

Mike

There is a routine in the plugin that identifies similar places and tidies them as part of the export.

Would it be possible to extract that routine to identify such places, but not correct them?

I feel that that would be a useful plugin in its own right.

Many thanks

Dave
FH v7


Re: Place Names Changing Over Time

Victor Markham
 

Whatever place name you use it needs to be consistent. If these have changed over time I would add a note about the change but keep the original name.

In Yorkshire one could put a place name say Scalby, Yorkshire, England. Problem her is there are 2 places in Yorkshire called Scalby. So it could be either Scalby, North Yorkshire or Scalby, East Yorkshire.

I would prefer to use township rather than twp. When it comes to places in Durham I alwaysa use County Durham as that is the full title for the county.

Whatever one does it is their choice but just make it consistent that is when the same place name is used use the same description.

I am not bothered about long/lat element

Victor

On 05/03/2021 10:57 am, Adrian Bruce wrote:
Just to be both pedantic and clear, if you have events at both Scott twp and Durham reg and you want to use the place name contemporary with the event (usually considered best practice), then you record events over time using both names. This will give you two place records (correctly). The place record for Scott twp then needs to have its Standardised name set to (the current value of) Durham reg. 


Re: Place Names Changing Over Time

Adrian Bruce
 

Just to be both pedantic and clear, if you have events at both Scott twp and Durham reg and you want to use the place name contemporary with the event (usually considered best practice), then you record events over time using both names. This will give you two place records (correctly). The place record for Scott twp then needs to have its Standardised name set to (the current value of) Durham reg. 


Re: Gedcom help

Mike Tate
 

Hi Helena,

There is a little confusion between the Occupation Fact and the Occupation Details but I understand now what you mean by empty.

 

TreeView is exporting the 1 OCCUpation fact but leaving out the ‘Details’ that should be on the same line. i.e. It is empty.

e.g. It should be like:

1 OCCU Doctor

 

Are there any other facts like that with ‘Details’ that are being omitted from the GEDCOM and need reporting to S&N?

Does it make any difference if such facts also have a value for Date, Place, Notes, etc?

 

FYI: In FH the Occupation shown on the Main tab is derived from the 1st Occupation fact listed on the Facts tab.

They are both the same entity. Most information on the Main tab is just a filtered view of details shown elsewhere.

 

I’m getting a bit confused about what data you have in TreeView, RootsMagic and FH.

Are you saying that RootsMagic does have the Occupation facts with their ‘Details’ included?

Does the merged RM & TV data in the FH Facts tab have both RM Occupations with ‘Details’ and similar TV Occupations but without ‘Details’?

If so, then it would be easy to delete all the TV Occupation facts without ‘Details’ in FH.

e.g. You could manually delete the empty Occupation for Thomas Bladon and then the RM Occupation Details will appear on the Main tab.

Does that sound like a solution? If so, then I can explain how to bulk delete all those empty Occupation facts.

The only caveat is that any Occupation ‘Details’ added in TV since December will get deleted and need adding manually.

 

The alternative is to wait and see if S&N can fix the GEDCOM export fault.

 

Mike

 


Re: Place Names Changing Over Time

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Every place has a Standardized field. From the Help file:

 

“Auto-geocoding (see the Map Window to learn more about geocoding) is normally based on the Place field (see previous).  However, if the Standardized field is not blank, geocoding will be based on it instead.  Some historical names may not be recognised, or may be incorrectly geocoded.  In this situation, you can either simply specify the correct latitude and longitude yourself; or you can supply a modern, standardized name which will be correctly geocoded.”

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of rcook@...
Sent: 04 March 2021 23:50
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Place Names Changing Over Time

 

In many cases, place names in source documents change over time. In many cases, I have started out with one place name, only to change at a later time.

Example: Scott Twp., Ontario Co., Ontario, Canada is now Durham Region, Ontario, Canada as of January 1, 1974.

 

As well, many of the townships have been changed, amalgamated or dropped.

 

I have reviewed the guidance in  https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/working-with-places-and-addresses-for-new-users/  But geocoding may be problematic.

 

What do other FH7 users do to accommodate changing place names?

 

Thanks

Rob


Place Names Changing Over Time

rob.cook-genes@...
 

In many cases, place names in source documents change over time. In many cases, I have started out with one place name, only to change at a later time.

Example: Scott Twp., Ontario Co., Ontario, Canada is now Durham Region, Ontario, Canada as of January 1, 1974.

 

As well, many of the townships have been changed, amalgamated or dropped.

 

I have reviewed the guidance in  https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/working-with-places-and-addresses-for-new-users/  But geocoding may be problematic.

 

What do other FH7 users do to accommodate changing place names?

 

Thanks

Rob


Re: Gedcom help

Helena Coney
 

Hi Mike

 

I did Email S&N yesterday so still waiting their reply.  I have checked the reports and nothing is shown. This is the Gedcom for Thomas Bladon

 

2 FORM LINEAGE-LINKED

1 CHAR ANSI

0 @I1@ INDI

1 NAME Thomas /Bladon/

2 GIVN Thomas

2 SURN Bladon

1 SEX M

1 BIRT

2 DATE 1577

2 PLAC Findern, Derbyshire

1 BAPM

2 DATE 29 Apr 1577

2 PLAC Findern, Derbyshire

1 DEAT

2 DATE ABT 1655

2 PLAC Potter Somersal, Derbyshire

1 OCCU

2 DATE

2 PLAC

1 NOTE @N1@

1 FAMS @F1@

1 FAMC @F2@

2 PEDI birth

0 @I2@ INDI

 

This is where it gets complicated!  I do have a back up of the 30 odd Bladon trees I wish to transfer from tree View to FH which are in Roots magic dated 27 Dec 2020.  However since then I have made some changes to each of them (in tree View) as  I started my Bladon one name study and made a lot of updates.

 

I did transfer the up to date file from TV to FH then merged it in FH with the Roots magic Gedcom file hoping the occupation field would remain.  I had a sort of success.  The occupation was listed in the facts tab in the property box (along with another Occupation fact remaining blank), however the occupation entry remains blank under the main tab in the property box which I then have to manually enter.

 

Any other suggestions?  Is there a plug in I can use?  The best way seems to be via the slightly out of date roots magic file and merging

 

Helena

 

The bladon family history study

Registered with the Guild of One-Name Studies

https://bladonfamilyhistory.wordpress.com
 

 

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 04 March 2021 10:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Gedcom help

 

Hi Helena,

That confirms what I thought, that TreeView is not exporting standard OCCUpation facts in the GEDCOM.

So you could try reporting that problem to their support team.

 

Use WordPad to inspect the GEDCOM again and find the entry for 1 NAME Thomas /Bladon/

After that, there should be entries for 1 SEX M, 1 BIRT, 1 BAPM, and 1 DEAT with 2 DATE and 2 PLAC fields.

Is there anything else near there that could represent his Occupation fact?

 

After importing the GEDCOM into an FH Project…

Are there any clues in the FH Windows > Log Files > Exception Report?

Are there any Unrecognised Data Fields (UDF) listed by the Tools > Uncategorised Data command?

 

Mike Tate

 

 


Export Gedcom File - Place Tidy

dave@...
 

Mike

There is a routine in the plugin that identifies similar places and tidies them as part of the export.

Would it be possible to extract that routine to identify such places, but not correct them?

I feel that that would be a useful plugin in its own right.

Many thanks

Dave
FH v7


Re: Sources and linking media

Jackie Baker <bakerjl75@...>
 

Thank you. Missed that one.


Re: Gedcom help

Mike Tate
 

Hi Helena,

That confirms what I thought, that TreeView is not exporting standard OCCUpation facts in the GEDCOM.

So you could try reporting that problem to their support team.

 

Use WordPad to inspect the GEDCOM again and find the entry for 1 NAME Thomas /Bladon/

After that, there should be entries for 1 SEX M, 1 BIRT, 1 BAPM, and 1 DEAT with 2 DATE and 2 PLAC fields.

Is there anything else near there that could represent his Occupation fact?

 

After importing the GEDCOM into an FH Project…

Are there any clues in the FH Windows > Log Files > Exception Report?

Are there any Unrecognised Data Fields (UDF) listed by the Tools > Uncategorised Data command?

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Gedcom help

Helena Coney
 

Hello Mike

 

When exporting from Tree View, there is not much to chose from compared to other programmes as per the box below

 

 

The only errors were missing links for photos which were not in Tree view.

 

I have just reviewed the Gedcom file in Wordpad and 1 OCCU is empty yet as you can see, there are clearly occupations entered

 

 

I even thought of transferring via Ancestry but again the same thing happens

 

Helena

 

My Bladon family history web site
https://bladonfamilyhistory.wordpress.com
 

 

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 03 March 2021 18:27
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Gedcom help

 

Helena,

FH is pretty good at importing whatever is in the GEDCOM file.

Since the Occupations were also missing via RootsMagic then my guess is that TreeView is not exporting some (or all) of them.

I presume you chose to ‘Include private facts’ in the TreeView Export GEDCOM dialogue.

 

Are there any clues in the FH Windows > Log Files > Exception Report?

Are there any Unrecognised Data Fields (UDF) from Tools > Uncategorised Data.

 

Do you know how to review a GEDCOM file?

Open it in a plain text editor such as Windows Notepad or WordPad.

Search for 1 OCCU which is the Occupation tag. Do you find any?

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Helena Coney via groups.io
Sent: 03 March 2021 14:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Gedcom help

 

I have just upgraded to v7 after having a years break from FH.  I am trying to import my very large file of over 17000 people back into FH v7 from tree view (the software not online tree).  However the occupations have all vanished in the transfer.  everything else seems to be there - notes, 1939 census but not the occupation.  I then tried going tree view - roots magic to FH but the same thing happened. Can anyone help?  I don't fancy inputting over 1000 occupation's but want to start using FH after paying for the upgrade

 


Re: Gedcom help

Mike Tate
 

Helena,

FH is pretty good at importing whatever is in the GEDCOM file.

Since the Occupations were also missing via RootsMagic then my guess is that TreeView is not exporting some (or all) of them.

I presume you chose to ‘Include private facts’ in the TreeView Export GEDCOM dialogue.

 

Are there any clues in the FH Windows > Log Files > Exception Report?

Are there any Unrecognised Data Fields (UDF) from Tools > Uncategorised Data.

 

Do you know how to review a GEDCOM file?

Open it in a plain text editor such as Windows Notepad or WordPad.

Search for 1 OCCU which is the Occupation tag. Do you find any?

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Helena Coney via groups.io
Sent: 03 March 2021 14:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Gedcom help

 

I have just upgraded to v7 after having a years break from FH.  I am trying to import my very large file of over 17000 people back into FH v7 from tree view (the software not online tree).  However the occupations have all vanished in the transfer.  everything else seems to be there - notes, 1939 census but not the occupation.  I then tried going tree view - roots magic to FH but the same thing happened. Can anyone help?  I don't fancy inputting over 1000 occupation's but want to start using FH after paying for the upgrade


Re: Sources and linking media

Mike Tate
 

Yes, the place to start is the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Planning and Tracking Your Research’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/planning-and-tracking-your-research/

That offers several different strategies including Named Lists.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Baker
Sent: 03 March 2021 14:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

Are the techniques you mentioned documented somewhere.  In the past I have used a non-printing event when I completed working on an individual but would be interested in other methods. 


Gedcom help

Helena Coney
 

I have just upgraded to v7 after having a years break from FH.  I am trying to import my very large file of over 17000 people back into FH v7 from tree view (the software not online tree).  However the occupations have all vanished in the transfer.  everything else seems to be there - notes, 1939 census but not the occupation.  I then tried going tree view - roots magic to FH but the same thing happened. Can anyone help?  I don't fancy inputting over 1000 occupation's but want to start using FH after paying for the upgrade


Re: Sources and linking media

Jackie Baker <bakerjl75@...>
 

Are the techniques you mentioned documented somewhere.  In the past I have used a non-printing event when I completed working on an individual but would be interested in other methods. 


Re: Update to 7.0.2

Thomas Allwright
 

I select "Birth" in the Sources For: box, select the citation and select "copy".
I then select "Name" in the Sources For: box and then select "paste".

This works perfectly well in FH v7.0.0, the problem only occurs after updating to v7.0.2.

I have reverted to FH v7.0.0 to allow me to continue doing things I have got used to.


Re: Ancestry subscription discount

Julia Vokes
 

Last year through Lost Cousins I managed to get a good discount, about 50%, on my Find my Past subscription and they gave me. credit for the balance of my subscription.

Julia


On 2 Mar 2021, at 20:11, Andrew Braid <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:


Sue

Thanks. I thought that was the case so I dare not cancel or I'll lose the 15%

Andrew 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 20:08 Sue Herrington <sue.herrington9@...> wrote:
Andrew

Findmypast rarely give discounts other than the 15% loyalty discount when you renew.

Sue

On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, 19:02 Andrew Braid, <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:
Good to know it still works.

Does anybody know if the same thing happens with Find my Past? 

Andrew Braid 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 18:47 Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@...> wrote:

I am pleased to say that the link has worked for me, I have just purchased a “new” membership for £60 instead of the £120 renewal.

 

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/offers/sub ... e+External for anyone who doesn’t want to trawl back through all the messages 😉

 

Paul


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Re: Ancestry subscription discount

Andrew Braid
 

Sue

Thanks. I thought that was the case so I dare not cancel or I'll lose the 15%

Andrew 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 20:08 Sue Herrington <sue.herrington9@...> wrote:
Andrew

Findmypast rarely give discounts other than the 15% loyalty discount when you renew.

Sue

On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, 19:02 Andrew Braid, <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:
Good to know it still works.

Does anybody know if the same thing happens with Find my Past? 

Andrew Braid 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 18:47 Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@...> wrote:

I am pleased to say that the link has worked for me, I have just purchased a “new” membership for £60 instead of the £120 renewal.

 

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/offers/sub ... e+External for anyone who doesn’t want to trawl back through all the messages 😉

 

Paul


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Re: Ancestry subscription discount

Sue Herrington
 

Andrew

Findmypast rarely give discounts other than the 15% loyalty discount when you renew.

Sue

On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, 19:02 Andrew Braid, <Jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:
Good to know it still works.

Does anybody know if the same thing happens with Find my Past? 

Andrew Braid 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 18:47 Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@...> wrote:

I am pleased to say that the link has worked for me, I have just purchased a “new” membership for £60 instead of the £120 renewal.

 

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/cs/offers/sub ... e+External for anyone who doesn’t want to trawl back through all the messages 😉

 

Paul


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