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Re: Import and created death

Mike Tate
 

That is correct but Edward talked very specifically about a “living flag” not a Death event.

It may depend on what product produced the GEDCOM file and perhaps ‘manufactured’ the Death event itself.

Without seeing the test GEDCOM file before importing to FH it is difficult to speculate.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 02 March 2021 11:52
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Import and created death

 

In a discussion in FHUG back in 2016 about import issues the matter of tags with a value of Y came up.  In the course of that discussion, Mike, you said  “DEATH or any other Event with value Y is perfectly valid GEDCOM.  It is used to signify that an otherwise empty Event must be retained.  Checkout the spec 5.5.”

 

I imagine that is what has happened here.

 

(The original, rather lengthy, discussion covered a range of issues. https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=13254)

 

Lorna


Re: Import and created death

Lorna Craig
 

In a discussion in FHUG back in 2016 about import issues the matter of tags with a value of Y came up.  In the course of that discussion, Mike, you said  “DEATH or any other Event with value Y is perfectly valid GEDCOM.  It is used to signify that an otherwise empty Event must be retained.  Checkout the spec 5.5.”

 

I imagine that is what has happened here.

 

(The original, rather lengthy, discussion covered a range of issues. https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=13254)

 

Lorna

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 02 March 2021 10:15
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Import and created death

 

Edward,

As a general rule, FH does not manufacture or discard facts on the import of a GEDCOM file.

I’m not sure what sort of flag you are talking about because standard GEDCOM does not support flags.

Presumably, you created the one-person test file in some other genealogy product?

Could you post a copy of that GEDCOM test file before it was imported to FH and we’ll try and explain what is happening?

 


Re: File merge/saved charts

Don McQuade
 

Hi,

Thanks for the info. I only have one saved chart I want to merge so not a problem recreating that.

I have also taken your advice and checked all the tabs for duplicates,etc.

Regards,

Don


Re: Import and created death

Mike Tate
 

Edward,

As a general rule, FH does not manufacture or discard facts on the import of a GEDCOM file.

I’m not sure what sort of flag you are talking about because standard GEDCOM does not support flags.

Presumably, you created the one-person test file in some other genealogy product?

Could you post a copy of that GEDCOM test file before it was imported to FH and we’ll try and explain what is happening?

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 01 March 2021 23:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Import and created death

 

I was intrigued by the topic on this site about facts without sources. I followed instructions and downloaded the correct query.

I was surprised to find I had many facts without sources.  Some were real but most were not. It turns out that the vast majority of those facts without sources were death facts that had absolutely no data in them.

I went back and examined by ged file but it was too voluminous to detect anything. I created a one person test file and that person was listed as not living and only one fact: a birth fact.

During the import into FH7 the death fact was manufactured by FH. It turns out that FH created a death fact based on the living flag. If the person was living then no death fact but if the flag said not living then FH manufactures a death fact.

This leads to many "errors" in the imported project. Is there any way to not have FH create a death fact in these cases?


Re: Import and created death

Neil Grantham
 

Edward.
I can’t answer what FH is apparently doing but wonder how you created this one person import test.
Did you export the person from FH or from another program?
If FH did you remove the death fact first?
IE are you sure the Gedcom has no death fact?
Otherwise you are just importing the apparent mistake?

Best Wishes
Neil

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From: Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: Mar 1, 2021 at 11:45 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Import and created death

I was intrigued by the topic on this site about facts without sources. I followed instructions and downloaded the correct query.

I was surprised to find I had many facts without sources.  Some were real but most were not. It turns out that the vast majority of those facts without sources were death facts that had absolutely no data in them.

I went back and examined by ged file but it was too voluminous to detect anything. I created a one person test file and that person was listed as not living and only one fact: a birth fact.

During the import into FH7 the death fact was manufactured by FH. It turns out that FH created a death fact based on the living flag. If the person was living then no death fact but if the flag said not living then FH manufactures a death fact.

This leads to many "errors" in the imported project. Is there any way to not have FH create a death fact in these cases?


--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Import and created death

Edward Sneithe
 

I was intrigued by the topic on this site about facts without sources. I followed instructions and downloaded the correct query.

I was surprised to find I had many facts without sources.  Some were real but most were not. It turns out that the vast majority of those facts without sources were death facts that had absolutely no data in them.

I went back and examined by ged file but it was too voluminous to detect anything. I created a one person test file and that person was listed as not living and only one fact: a birth fact.

During the import into FH7 the death fact was manufactured by FH. It turns out that FH created a death fact based on the living flag. If the person was living then no death fact but if the flag said not living then FH manufactures a death fact.

This leads to many "errors" in the imported project. Is there any way to not have FH create a death fact in these cases?


Re: Sources and linking media

Mike Tate
 

It is perfectly feasible to record DNA results/matches in FH V6.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ‘Recording DNA Matches’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/recording-dna-matches/

That cross-refers to ‘Recording DNA Matches in Family Historian’:

https://www.taubman.org.uk/family/wp/2019/03/13/recording-dna-matches-in-family-historian/

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Heather Williams via groups.io
Sent: 01 March 2021 20:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

Lorna,
Thank you for your very sensible thoughts which have made me consider what I actually want to achieve. While some family members are definitely interested in my findings, I am not sure that any of them would have the time or enthusiasm to continue with any research. I don't think I can tackle another upgrade anyway and therefore I plan on concentrating on v6 and sorting my sources and citations. One thing I was interested in doing was linking DNA results to my tree and I think that is possible in v7 but I will set up a named list of my DNA matches and see if I can think of how to show them within my tree.
As ever I am grateful for all help from the forum,
Heather


Re: Sources and linking media

Heather Williams
 

Lorna,
Thank you for your very sensible thoughts which have made me consider what I actually want to achieve. While some family members are definitely interested in my findings, I am not sure that any of them would have the time or enthusiasm to continue with any research. I don't think I can tackle another upgrade anyway and therefore I plan on concentrating on v6 and sorting my sources and citations. One thing I was interested in doing was linking DNA results to my tree and I think that is possible in v7 but I will set up a named list of my DNA matches and see if I can think of how to show them within my tree.
As ever I am grateful for all help from the forum,
Heather


Re: Census downloads

Howard Phillips
 

Thank you for all the replies. I can now push ahead with all
I want to do.
H


Re: Sources and linking media

Lorna Craig
 

Heather,

At the beginning of this topic I think you said that you have used FH for many years and are now in a position where you want to make sure your data is in a fit state to pass on to your family.  So you have probably already done the bulk of your research and are now just 'tidying up'.  The decision about whether to upgrade to V7 depends on (a) whether you want to do more than just tidy up and (b) whether your family are likely to want to carry on using FH or just want to be able to read some reports and look at some charts you have created.

Tidying up your existing media links in V6 will be less work than learning the new features of V7, deciding whether to use any of those features, and then tidying up  in V7.  If your family want to carry on using FH in the future then upgrading to V7 would be a good idea, but otherwise you would be generating extra work for yourself.  So ask your family what they'd like you to do.  (Or tidy up in V6 and let them upgrade to V7 if they want to!)

Lorna

On 01/03/2021 16:03, Heather Williams via groups.io wrote:
Robert,
Thanks very much for that idea. It has given me much food for thought. I have looked online at what the new format would be and maybe that is the way to go. It does seem sensible not to learn all the functions of v6 at this stage if I need to relearn things in v7.
I am a bit nervous about the upgrade because it seems to be a one-way decision so you have to like it once you have it. I will do some more research on it.
Thanks again,
Heather
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Re: Sources and linking media

Sue Herrington
 

Heather, I have similar reservations myself.

 

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From: Heather Williams via groups.io
Sent: 01 March 2021 16:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

Robert,
Thanks very much for that idea. It has given me much food for thought. I have looked online at what the new format would be and maybe that is the way to go. It does seem sensible not to learn all the functions of v6 at this stage if I need to relearn things in v7.
I am a bit nervous about the upgrade because it seems to be a one-way decision so you have to like it once you have it. I will do some more research on it.
Thanks again,
Heather

 

 


Re: Sources and linking media

Heather Williams
 

Mike,
Many thanks again for taking the time and trouble to explain things in detail. I almost feel I want to start again and split off immediate family to a new tree and concentrate on getting that in order then adding more lines later but it is all a bit too daunting, whichever way I look at it. I will take your advice and go back to the Sample Project. I admit I haven't used that fully as I was always too impatient to get on with my tree - which I thought was ok until I messed up with sources.
Heather


Re: Sources and linking media

Heather Williams
 

Robert,
Thanks very much for that idea. It has given me much food for thought. I have looked online at what the new format would be and maybe that is the way to go. It does seem sensible not to learn all the functions of v6 at this stage if I need to relearn things in v7.
I am a bit nervous about the upgrade because it seems to be a one-way decision so you have to like it once you have it. I will do some more research on it.
Thanks again,
Heather


Re: File merge/saved charts

Mike Tate
 

Don,
I endorse everything Lorna says especially about checking ALL the Merge dialogue tabs.

It is easier to specify what will be merged rather than what will not be carried over.
Only the records in the GEDCOM file and its linked Media files will carry over.

Everything else in the .fh_data folder and the Public folder will NOT carry over automatically.
That includes saved Books, Cached 'hints', saved Charts, local Project Fact Types, website Packages, Plugin settings, etc.
If you copy some of those to the master Project they will still not work due to the changed Record id problem.
Local Project Fact Types, website Packages, and Plugin settings can be copied over manually and might be OK.
Saved Books and Charts are unlikely to work if copied over.

Mike Tate


Re: File merge/saved charts

Lorna Craig
 

I think the problem with saved charts is that they rely on record ID numbers to identify the individuals who are to appear in the chart.  When you merge two projects the 'main' project retains its Record IDs but the 'other' project (the one you are merging into the main project) has to have new ID numbers assigned to its records because there cannot be duplicate ID numbers.  As far as I remember (apologies if this is not correct, and I haven't tried it in V7)  saved charts in the 'main' project will still work because its record numbers are unchanged.

As for other parts of the projects, the important thing to remember is to check ALL the tabs in the merge dialogue, to ensure that ALL types of record are merged where appropriate. A common mistake is to look only at the Individuals tab and then discover afterwards that there are duplicate family records, sources, etc.

Lorna

On 01/03/2021 11:43, Don McQuade via groups.io wrote:
Hi,

I am experimenting with merging two projects before I take the plunge. I noticed that saved charts are not carried over.

Is it possible to do this? Are there any other parts of the project that will not be merged?

Thanks,

Don


Re: Facts without Sources

Helen at Darlington
 

Albert: I sympathize! I have been on a tidy-up job for MONTHS
Helen


File merge/saved charts

Don McQuade
 

Hi,

I am experimenting with merging two projects before I take the plunge. I noticed that saved charts are not carried over.

Is it possible to do this? Are there any other parts of the project that will not be merged?

Thanks,

Don


Re: Sources and linking media

Mike Tate
 

Heather,

I wonder if a short tutorial might help your understanding and make the options clearer.

What follows has examples in the Family Historian Sample Project listed in your Projects Window.

Most applies to both Method 1 ‘splitter’ and Method 2 ‘lumper’ and I’ll identify the differences.

 

Your Project database is composed of different ‘Record’ types, e.g. Individual, Source, Media, Place.

They are listed in the cunningly named ‘Records Window’ under each tab: Individuals, Sources, Media, Places, etc.

However, some are hidden and revealed via Tools > Preferences > Records Window and setting each to ‘Always show’.

 

Each ‘Record’ type is designed to represent a real-world entity.

Individual records hold details such as the Name, Facts, etc, for each person.

Family records link together Husband, Wife & Child Individual records and also hold partnership Facts such as Marriage & Divorce.

Source records hold details of a document that justifies Facts. In Method 1 that may be a BMD Certificate, a Census Household, etc.

Media records hold details of a media file such as a photo, a document image, etc.

Place records hold details of one place name with its latitude/longitude, etc.

There may be thousands of each ‘Record’ type but FH is good at managing them all.

 

Those ‘Records’ are linked to each other to form the database.

Select any ‘Record’ and use View > Record Links… to list every ‘Record’ that is linked to it.

 

Each ‘Citation’ is one of the details held within a ‘Record’.

It links one Name, one Fact, etc, to one Source record.

Each Name, Fact, etc, can have more than one ‘Citation’, i.e. a Fact can be justified by several Source documents.

Each Source record can have more than one ‘Citation’ linked to it, i.e. a Source document can justify several Facts.

 

You are comfortable with the concept of linking the Media photo of a person to that person’s Individual record via the Media tab.

With Method 1, the Media image of a document is linked to that document’s Source record via the Source record Media tab.

Any other details about that document such as its reference number or a transcript are held in that one Source record.

Each ‘Citation’ contains little more than the link between a Fact and a Source record.

 

With Method 2, a Source record represents an entire collection of documents, such as all Birth Certificates, or all Census records.

So the specific document Media and details must be attached to each ‘Citation’, which I suspect is where your difficulties began.

 

There are cases where Method 2 is best, but many users prefer Method 1 when Media and other details are needed for each document.

Review the Family Historian Sample Project and its Source records which mostly use Method 1 and five have linked Media.

Three that use Method 2 are the GRO Birth Index, GRO Death Index & GRO Marriage Index.

 

Mike Tate


Re: Tree disappearance

Mike Tate
 

Hi Chris,

Presumably, when you imported that family tree, you used File > Project Window > New Project… and ‘Import a GEDCOM file’.

Did you use a similar technique to create the new gift tree via New Project… but chose ‘Start a new project’?

Those are the only ways of creating a Project.

 

Alternatively, maybe by a ‘new tree’ you mean a Chart Diagram tree based on the imported family tree.

They won’t be listed in the Project Window and must be saved using Diagram > Save Diagram and retrieved using Charts > Saved Charts…

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of shelmerdine78@...
Sent: 01 March 2021 05:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Tree disappearance

 

Hi,
I am new to FH, have imported my family tree, all OK. However I have begun a new tree as a gift for my daughter-in-law & this tree is no longer listed under projects, where has it gone?. Can anyone help?
Regards
Chris


Tree disappearance

shelmerdine78@...
 

Hi,
I am new to FH, have imported my family tree, all OK. However I have begun a new tree as a gift for my daughter-in-law & this tree is no longer listed under projects, where has it gone?. Can anyone help?
Regards
Chris

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