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Re: Sources and linking media

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Ancestral Sources is a companion program for FH that helps to create sources and also the facts derived from them (for common source types e.g. BBMDB and Census). It works with V7 and can use generic or templated sources. More at https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/ancestral-sources/

 

V7 also has Data Entry Assistants (DEAs) which start from a source you’ve already prepared a citation to and creates the facts derived form that source. They’re not as mature as AS, but are worth investigating; I’m working as fast as I can to write them for common source types...

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Sillitoe
Sent: 27 February 2021 13:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

Thank you, CVG

 Where does the oft-cited Ancestral Sources fit in, please?

 

Best

 

Paul

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone but not so smart as to usefully auto-correct the typos from my large fingers 🙂

 

 

-------- Original message --------

Date: 27/02/2021 13:05 (GMT+00:00)

Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

A source is a historical record – the source of some information. As you say, it needs to be clearly and unambiguously identified.

 

A citation is a link from a fact/assertion to a source. It may have additional information associated with it (‘where within source’, ‘assessment’ etc.)

 

How much information goes into the source record versus citation depends on whether you’re a lumper or a splitter., as described at https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/citing-sources-method-1-and-method-2/

 

As a newcomer to FH you may find https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/sources-and-citations-in-version-7-for-new-users/ useful.

 

V7 has source templates which can be used to structure how sources are identified and also references to sources/citations in footnotes, bibliographies etc.  There are two sets provided (the Essential collection based on work at Strathclyde University) and the Advance collection (based on Elizabeth Shown Mills work). You can also define your own templates.

 

Of course, some people have ways of working that diverge from the above.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Sillitoe
Sent: 27 February 2021 12:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

As a newcomer to FH  but not to referencing primary sources, I'm not able to see how the distinction is being drawn between sources and citations in FH.

 

To my mind, the source is the evidential record upon which interpretations are made. References to such records need to be as granular and unambiguous as is necessary for readers to be able to find the same source.

 

In the context of family history sources such as are being discussed here, it would seem that the reference to source level needs to go down to at least the page, or individual item record if possible. That is the source. Hopefully, it is a physical record or a digital image. If it is a transcription or other non-original abstract or copy, that needs to be clearly stated.

 

The citation, then, is the form of words in which the reference to the source is written, using a standard syntax or style. Published papers will normally specify such a style APA, Chicago, etc. Perhaps such a standard form.is specified in FH, but this thread seems to indicate either that it is not specified, or is not widely known. 

 

Best to all

 

Paul Sillitoe

 


Re: Sources and linking media

Paul Sillitoe
 

Thank you, CVG
 Where does the oft-cited Ancestral Sources fit in, please?

Best

Paul



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone but not so smart as to usefully auto-correct the typos from my large fingers 🙂


-------- Original message --------
From: colevalleygirl@...
Date: 27/02/2021 13:05 (GMT+00:00)
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

A source is a historical record – the source of some information. As you say, it needs to be clearly and unambiguously identified.

 

A citation is a link from a fact/assertion to a source. It may have additional information associated with it (‘where within source’, ‘assessment’ etc.)

 

How much information goes into the source record versus citation depends on whether you’re a lumper or a splitter., as described at https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/citing-sources-method-1-and-method-2/

 

As a newcomer to FH you may find https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/sources-and-citations-in-version-7-for-new-users/ useful.

 

V7 has source templates which can be used to structure how sources are identified and also references to sources/citations in footnotes, bibliographies etc.  There are two sets provided (the Essential collection based on work at Strathclyde University) and the Advance collection (based on Elizabeth Shown Mills work). You can also define your own templates.

 

Of course, some people have ways of working that diverge from the above.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Sillitoe
Sent: 27 February 2021 12:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

As a newcomer to FH  but not to referencing primary sources, I'm not able to see how the distinction is being drawn between sources and citations in FH.

 

To my mind, the source is the evidential record upon which interpretations are made. References to such records need to be as granular and unambiguous as is necessary for readers to be able to find the same source.

 

In the context of family history sources such as are being discussed here, it would seem that the reference to source level needs to go down to at least the page, or individual item record if possible. That is the source. Hopefully, it is a physical record or a digital image. If it is a transcription or other non-original abstract or copy, that needs to be clearly stated.

 

The citation, then, is the form of words in which the reference to the source is written, using a standard syntax or style. Published papers will normally specify such a style APA, Chicago, etc. Perhaps such a standard form.is specified in FH, but this thread seems to indicate either that it is not specified, or is not widely known. 

 

Best to all

 

Paul Sillitoe

 


Re: Sources and linking media

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

A source is a historical record – the source of some information. As you say, it needs to be clearly and unambiguously identified.

 

A citation is a link from a fact/assertion to a source. It may have additional information associated with it (‘where within source’, ‘assessment’ etc.)

 

How much information goes into the source record versus citation depends on whether you’re a lumper or a splitter., as described at https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/citing-sources-method-1-and-method-2/

 

As a newcomer to FH you may find https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/sources-and-citations-in-version-7-for-new-users/ useful.

 

V7 has source templates which can be used to structure how sources are identified and also references to sources/citations in footnotes, bibliographies etc.  There are two sets provided (the Essential collection based on work at Strathclyde University) and the Advance collection (based on Elizabeth Shown Mills work). You can also define your own templates.

 

Of course, some people have ways of working that diverge from the above.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Sillitoe
Sent: 27 February 2021 12:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

 

As a newcomer to FH  but not to referencing primary sources, I'm not able to see how the distinction is being drawn between sources and citations in FH.

 

To my mind, the source is the evidential record upon which interpretations are made. References to such records need to be as granular and unambiguous as is necessary for readers to be able to find the same source.

 

In the context of family history sources such as are being discussed here, it would seem that the reference to source level needs to go down to at least the page, or individual item record if possible. That is the source. Hopefully, it is a physical record or a digital image. If it is a transcription or other non-original abstract or copy, that needs to be clearly stated.

 

The citation, then, is the form of words in which the reference to the source is written, using a standard syntax or style. Published papers will normally specify such a style APA, Chicago, etc. Perhaps such a standard form.is specified in FH, but this thread seems to indicate either that it is not specified, or is not widely known. 

 

Best to all

 

Paul Sillitoe

 


Re: Sources and linking media

Mike Tate
 

Hi Geoff,

Certainly, consistency is an important consideration for Source Citations.

 

I was fascinated that your description focusses on Census records yet your aide-memoir notice does not mention Census.

 

You say “if you add an image in the Fact/Citation area it doesn’t appear in the Source Pane area”.

Indeed, images added directly to Facts do not appear in any Source area, but do appear elsewhere.

Images added to Citations most definitely do appear alongside images added to Source records.

They can be accessed via the ‘Show Media’ button in both the Facts tab and the yellow Sources For pane.

They appear in the ‘Sources’ section in Reports.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Sources and linking media

Paul Sillitoe
 

As a newcomer to FH  but not to referencing primary sources, I'm not able to see how the distinction is being drawn between sources and citations in FH.

To my mind, the source is the evidential record upon which interpretations are made. References to such records need to be as granular and unambiguous as is necessary for readers to be able to find the same source.

In the context of family history sources such as are being discussed here, it would seem that the reference to source level needs to go down to at least the page, or individual item record if possible. That is the source. Hopefully, it is a physical record or a digital image. If it is a transcription or other non-original abstract or copy, that needs to be clearly stated.

The citation, then, is the form of words in which the reference to the source is written, using a standard syntax or style. Published papers will normally specify such a style APA, Chicago, etc. Perhaps such a standard form.is specified in FH, but this thread seems to indicate either that it is not specified, or is not widely known. 

Best to all

Paul Sillitoe




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone but not so smart as to usefully auto-correct the typos from my large fingers 🙂


-------- Original message --------
From: Geoff Johnson <geoff@...>
Date: 27/02/2021 12:20 (GMT+00:00)
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sources and linking media

I've got a T shirt for this one too!
Personal factors come in here.  Some users seem to not worry about sources at all or, if they do, their system is often inconsistent.  That’s the way I started.

I define it this way.  Sources are meant to be where the information came from, whereas Citations should define how and in what way the source is relevant to the topic in question.

Commonly a source might be Find My Past Census records.  The Citation might be HO 107 Piece 7 Bk1 Fol 3 p2

But that’s hard work!  And the most important thing is that neither identify who it’s about!

You know what you’ve found is available in one of several sources of census data.  But the key thing is who it is you’re interested in.  In this case my combined Citation AND Source example is `Joseph Peacock b1742 1841 Bolnhurst HO 107 Piece 7 Bk1 Fol 3 p2

 

So, to that end, I prefer to keep both Citation and Source stuff, both information and images, the same.  Occasionally a less frequent type of source may be a bit unusual.  Typically:

·         a gravestone or graveyard book entry, a letter dd/mm/yy from `Aunty Florence’, TNA WW2 Officers record etc.

 

Obviously, such Sources may need to be more specific.  However, I don’t believe in `sourcing’ what is just bog-standard data from Parish records or Censuses.  I just `cite’ what I have found, and keep that the same for the source.
Consistency

As I’ve said, since I started my research a couple of decades ago my source referencing had been totally inconsistent!    So, a couple of years ago I changed my ways.  Now, pinned to the wall in front of my desk, I have, a standard aide-memoir notice that reads (see also attached Jpeg):

File Entry Format - for Family History Sources
Name > Birth Year > Type > Location > Event Date

Folder Types:  •  Baptism  ‬• Marriage • Death •  Burial • Other Docs

 

I’ve been following that practice as religiously as possible; continually making amendments to the `old stuff’.  The benefits are slowly becoming apparent, and life is getting more consistent.  The practice definitely helps.

 

I also keep the citation text the same as the file name for the image.

For example: suppose I obtain a baptism image.  I give it a filename as per format on my notice.  I select and copy that same filename to clipboard.  Move to the right place in FH and create the `fact’ entry as a baptism entry.  Then create the source by pasting the same filename.  I can then `Add media for the Citation’ by the following process.
Adding Images

In Family Historian, if you add an image in the Fact/Citation area it doesn’t appear in the Source Pane area.  I advise that you always add images to the `lower’ Source box first: they then automatically appear as a Citation.
There are complications in V7 that upset my method.  For me it's necessary to always opt to `Add New Generic Source'.  I haven't got my head around Source Templates yet and feel I'm unlikely to change now!
Geoff Johnson


Re: Sources and linking media

Geoff Johnson
 

I've got a T shirt for this one too!
Personal factors come in here.  Some users seem to not worry about sources at all or, if they do, their system is often inconsistent.  That’s the way I started.

I define it this way.  Sources are meant to be where the information came from, whereas Citations should define how and in what way the source is relevant to the topic in question.

Commonly a source might be Find My Past Census records.  The Citation might be HO 107 Piece 7 Bk1 Fol 3 p2

But that’s hard work!  And the most important thing is that neither identify who it’s about!

You know what you’ve found is available in one of several sources of census data.  But the key thing is who it is you’re interested in.  In this case my combined Citation AND Source example is `Joseph Peacock b1742 1841 Bolnhurst HO 107 Piece 7 Bk1 Fol 3 p2

 

So, to that end, I prefer to keep both Citation and Source stuff, both information and images, the same.  Occasionally a less frequent type of source may be a bit unusual.  Typically:

·         a gravestone or graveyard book entry, a letter dd/mm/yy from `Aunty Florence’, TNA WW2 Officers record etc.

 

Obviously, such Sources may need to be more specific.  However, I don’t believe in `sourcing’ what is just bog-standard data from Parish records or Censuses.  I just `cite’ what I have found, and keep that the same for the source.
Consistency

As I’ve said, since I started my research a couple of decades ago my source referencing had been totally inconsistent!    So, a couple of years ago I changed my ways.  Now, pinned to the wall in front of my desk, I have, a standard aide-memoir notice that reads (see also attached Jpeg):

File Entry Format - for Family History Sources
Name > Birth Year > Type > Location > Event Date

Folder Types:  •  Baptism  ‬• Marriage • Death •  Burial • Other Docs

 

I’ve been following that practice as religiously as possible; continually making amendments to the `old stuff’.  The benefits are slowly becoming apparent, and life is getting more consistent.  The practice definitely helps.

 

I also keep the citation text the same as the file name for the image.

For example: suppose I obtain a baptism image.  I give it a filename as per format on my notice.  I select and copy that same filename to clipboard.  Move to the right place in FH and create the `fact’ entry as a baptism entry.  Then create the source by pasting the same filename.  I can then `Add media for the Citation’ by the following process.
Adding Images

In Family Historian, if you add an image in the Fact/Citation area it doesn’t appear in the Source Pane area.  I advise that you always add images to the `lower’ Source box first: they then automatically appear as a Citation.
There are complications in V7 that upset my method.  For me it's necessary to always opt to `Add New Generic Source'.  I haven't got my head around Source Templates yet and feel I'm unlikely to change now!
Geoff Johnson


Re: Census downloads

Mike Tate
 

FH Project (Medium & Full) Backups include all subfolders of the Project .fh_data folder so the answer is ‘Yes, the former’.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Neil Grantham via groups.io
Sent: 26 February 2021 15:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census downloads

 

Hi Mike

 

Does the backup include subfolders of the Media folder or just the Media folder. I would assume the former?

I use

Media (just for pictures of people)

>Census

>Birth

>Death

>Marriage

 

etc. where those with > are sub folders

 

Best Wishes

 

Neil.






------ Original Message ------
From: "Mike Tate" <post@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Friday, 26 Feb, 2021 At 15:27
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census downloads

It does not matter where the image starts and all options are feasible. What matters is where it ends up.

Both AS and FH allow the image to be anywhere and have the option to copy it into the Project internal Media folder.

It is important to know that only images that are copied into the Project internal Media folder are included in FH Project Backups.

If images are left linked externally to the Project then you must use other methods to back them up.

They may also cause problems when you migrate the Project to a new PC, which will happen sooner or later.

Mike Tate


--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Census downloads

Neil Grantham
 

Hi Mike


Does the backup include subfolders of the Media folder or just the Media folder. I would assume the former?

I use

Media (just for pictures of people)

>Census

>Birth

>Death

>Marriage


etc. where those with > are sub folders


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Mike Tate" <post@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Friday, 26 Feb, 2021 At 15:27
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Census downloads

It does not matter where the image starts and all options are feasible. What matters is where it ends up.

Both AS and FH allow the image to be anywhere and have the option to copy it into the Project internal Media folder.

It is important to know that only images that are copied into the Project internal Media folder are included in FH Project Backups.

If images are left linked externally to the Project then you must use other methods to back them up.

They may also cause problems when you migrate the Project to a new PC, which will happen sooner or later.

Mike Tate


--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: Census downloads

Mike Tate
 

It does not matter where the image starts and all options are feasible. What matters is where it ends up.

Both AS and FH allow the image to be anywhere and have the option to copy it into the Project internal Media folder.

It is important to know that only images that are copied into the Project internal Media folder are included in FH Project Backups.

If images are left linked externally to the Project then you must use other methods to back them up.

They may also cause problems when you migrate the Project to a new PC, which will happen sooner or later.

 

Mike Tate

 


Re: Yet More Map window questions (Parts)

Mike Tate
 

John,

To answer your last question, you enter extra commas without any names.

e.g. ‘ , , England’

 

There are tools in FH to extract say the 3rd Part of a Place name.

It is sometimes useful to know that will always be the country (assuming you have 3 Part Place names).

e.g.

Users sometimes need to differentiate Census records in UK from those in Canada.

The Census event for such records will use the same Date as they occurred on the same day in UK and Canada.

Therefore, the Place field must be inspected to see if has Canada as the country or not.

If the country is always in Part 3 then that is easy. If not then I’ll let you think about it.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 26 February 2021 14:45
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Yet More Map window questions (Parts)

 

Can I ask what is the significance of the "parts" column in the placename list widow in maps.

I have worked out that commas will seperate the record eg Biggleswade Bedfordshire England will all appear in the "part 1" column whereas Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England will split the place name between three "part" columns. Question is "why does that matter"?

and as a supplementary. Assuming it does matter how do I make sure town is always in part 1, County in part 2 and country in part 3, eg if I only have England, how do I force that into part 3 rather than letting it sit itself in part 1.

Sorry if that is a confused question, if it makes no sense I will try to rephrase.

thanks
John.


Re: Census downloads

Victor Markham
 

I always leave mine in the folder it is not doing any harm and is there if anything went wrong with FH

On 26 Feb 2021, at 15:05, "h.phillips4 via groups.io" <ntlworld.com@groups.io target=_blank>h.phillips4=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
All my previous census images have been scanned in and
I have used AS to enter into FH.
Now I've downloaded some and they are in my download folder.
Question? 
To enter using AS into FH should they be......
1.left in that folder and linked or
2.copied into the folder with the other scanned images and linked or
3.copied into a new folder and linked?
The existing folder has sub folders for b, m & d certs and 41,51 census etc.
Your advise and comments will be very welcombe.

Regards.......H


Re: Census downloads

Neil Grantham
 

H


In AS (i'm using 7.2.1), when you select the image for use in the Image viewer, set your preferences, then click Save, you get a dialogue were you are asked if you want to use the default media folder, or chose your own.


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "h.phillips4 via groups.io" <h.phillips4@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Friday, 26 Feb, 2021 At 13:06
Subject: [family-historian] Census downloads

All my previous census images have been scanned in and
I have used AS to enter into FH.
Now I've downloaded some and they are in my download folder.
Question?
To enter using AS into FH should they be......
1.left in that folder and linked or
2.copied into the folder with the other scanned images and linked or
3.copied into a new folder and linked?
The existing folder has sub folders for b, m & d certs and 41,51 census etc.
Your advise and comments will be very welcombe.

Regards.......H


--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Census downloads

Howard Phillips
 

All my previous census images have been scanned in and
I have used AS to enter into FH.
Now I've downloaded some and they are in my download folder.
Question? 
To enter using AS into FH should they be......
1.left in that folder and linked or
2.copied into the folder with the other scanned images and linked or
3.copied into a new folder and linked?
The existing folder has sub folders for b, m & d certs and 41,51 census etc.
Your advise and comments will be very welcombe.

Regards.......H


Yet More Map window questions (Parts)

johnfirr@...
 

Can I ask what is the significance of the "parts" column in the placename list widow in maps.

I have worked out that commas will seperate the record eg Biggleswade Bedfordshire England will all appear in the "part 1" column whereas Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England will split the place name between three "part" columns. Question is "why does that matter"?

and as a supplementary. Assuming it does matter how do I make sure town is always in part 1, County in part 2 and country in part 3, eg if I only have England, how do I force that into part 3 rather than letting it sit itself in part 1.

Sorry if that is a confused question, if it makes no sense I will try to rephrase.

thanks
John.


Re: Sources and linking media

Heather Williams
 

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly Mike. I will definitely read up about the different methods of adding sources and I will get back to you.

Just to explain how I got to this stage with so few birth sources, when I started my tree many years ago I learnt how to input enough data to create the family records and I always intended learning how to add sources but somehow time went on and I hadn't done that. Eventually I thjought I would add media and link photos etc. and I didn't have any problems. When I finally looked into sources, a long time ago now, I did consider using AS but at that time I think I was confused by what to put in which field and I decided I preferred to just carry on inputting everything person by person.

For the next few years I added a source when I had one (e.g. a certificate) and sometimes I just added a note to say where I had found a particular record or what the census reference was. Over the years I bought certificates and so much more information was made available over the Internet that could be downloaded so I started a tree on Ancestry with the idea I would only add people to that as I verified them and amassed the census entries etc. I am well aware I should have been adding sources as I went but I often felt truly overwhelmed.

I am pleased to find I hadn't gone completely wrong by having blanket sources for each census etc. I guess I must have read that from the instruction manual at the time. I will reserve final judgement until I have followed the link you sent me. It would be great if I didn't have to delete too much and could rescue my media/source lniks.

Thank you for your offer to help once I know more about sources.
Heather


Re: Count Records

Mike Tate
 

Hi Rob,

The number of rows in a Result Set is always shown in the bottom right border of Query Window as ‘Records in Result Set:’

 

The number of Individual records and Family records is always in the Focus and Records Window on the bottom right border.

 

For other types of records use File > File Statistics… which lists all the Record Counts.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of rob p
Sent: 26 February 2021 03:16
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Count Records

 

Is there an easy way to "count" the number of rows (records) in the Records Window (tabs) or in a Result Set?


Count Records

rob p
 

Is there an easy way to "count" the number of rows (records) in the Records Window (tabs) or in a Result Set?


Re: Custom ID

Kathy Bergman <kathy@...>
 

Thank you, Mike and Robert!


Re: Custom ID

Robert
 

Kathy - I haven’t used the Custom ID as a Tab. I just used it as an item in the Main Tab of the Individual Property Box, just beneath the Name item, so I could keep a check on what people I have on FamilySearch (LDS).

If you go to Customize Property Box, then send the Custom ID item across to the Selected Items column, then move it up or down to where you want it. (I moved mine to just below the Name item). Having done that, I double clicked the Custom ID item, which let me edit the label. I changed it to LDS ID:.

Robert

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On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 18:34, Kathy Bergman <kathy@...> wrote:

Robert - I've been trying to do with with "Military."  I have found the Custom ID box, but when I choose a new tab, give it the name Military, it tells me:  "Only tabs that can be customized are listed" -- and none show up.  How did you get yours to create?  I must be missing an important step....


Re: Custom ID

Mike Tate
 

Hi Kathy,

The first step is to use the Property Box cog Menu > Customize Property Box… command.

Then use More Tab Tasks… and New Tab… where you can create the Military tab.

There you must untick ‘Show most commonly-used items’ and add <Custom Item> that can use %INDI.REFN% for the Custom Id field.

Presumably, you will be adding many more fields than that to the Military tab otherwise it is not worth creating a tab for one field.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kathy Bergman
Sent: 25 February 2021 18:34
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Custom ID

 

Robert - I've been trying to do with with "Military."  I have found the Custom ID box, but when I choose a new tab, give it the name Military, it tells me:  "Only tabs that can be customized are listed" -- and none show up.  How did you get yours to create?  I must be missing an important step....

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