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Re: Researching and documenting apparent change of Family Surname

Mike Tate
 

Welcome Colin,

Strictly speaking this a Family Historian product forum run by Calico Pie so research questions are a little off beam.

The FHUG website Forums include one dedicated to such research questions where other users are willing to help.

https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/

 

However, I suggest you pursue your research further. The family should appear together in the 1891 Census.

You should also find Birth and Marriage records for everyone in the family.

Together those records will clarify the family surname.

I suspect the 1901 Census entry is just a mistake by the enumerator who misheard the surname.

If so there is no name change and your Source record for the 1901 Census will just need a Note to identify the mistake and your reasons why.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colin.brook@...
Sent: 19 February 2021 13:05
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Researching and documenting apparent change of Family Surname

 

Hello, although I've used Family Historian for a number of years now I haven't previously joined this support group. I would appreciate help with a current problem I have.

I'm particularly interested in help with Olive BROWN; in the 1911 Census she is shown to be living with her parents Thomas and Elizabeth BROWN and her brother Percy T(om) BROWN at 23 Cromwell Lane, Maldon. She subsequently married Ernest Wilberforce TUNMER (also of Maldon) on Christmas Day 1913.
In the 1911 Census the whole BROWN family were shown to have been born in the Chatham, Rochester, Maidstone area of Kent. In the 1901 Census there is however no sign of the BROWN family in either Maldon, Essex or Maidstone, Kent. There is however an otherwise identical family with the surname BROWNING living at 103 Rochester Avenue, Rochester and Chatham with 'correct' ages and birthplaces. So, my big current challenge is to find some record of the apparent migration and renaming of this BROWNING family in Maidstone in 1901 to become the BROWN family of Maldon by 1911. Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Assuming that I'm correct in thinking these two families are one and the same what is the best way of handling this Surname change in Family Historian?

Looking forward to any advice about solving and documenting this mystery.

Colin


Re: Update to FH7 - lost my umlauts

Mike Tate
 

Hi Anne-Marie,

FH V5 uses ANSI character encoding that only supports a limited subset of accented characters.

FH V6 & V7 use full Unicode UTF-8 character encoding that supports all accented and foreign characters and symbols.

It would seem that the FH translation from ANSI to UTF-8 is not being performed correctly.

I suggest you report the problem to Calico Pie via their support ticket system:

http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Anne-Marie R
Sent: 19 February 2021 05:05
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Update to FH7 - lost my umlauts

 

Hi all,
I've just updated from V5 to V7 and found that all my accented etc European characters have been replaced by the generic character error symbol. I did replace V5 with a full V7 version,not the upgrade version. 
I've opened the before/after GEDCOM files with notepad++ to confirm that those characters have been lost in the actual file rather than a display problem.
I can retype in all those characters one-by-one but I'd rather not. Any suggestions?

This upgrade was done on my laptop copy as a test, which I admit is running on Win10 in VMWare on a Mac, but V5 was encoded OK. Any suggestions on how to prevent this happening when I update the main copy?

Thanks for any suggestions, Anne-Marie


Researching and documenting apparent change of Family Surname

colin.brook@...
 

Hello, although I've used Family Historian for a number of years now I haven't previously joined this support group. I would appreciate help with a current problem I have.

I'm particularly interested in help with Olive BROWN; in the 1911 Census she is shown to be living with her parents Thomas and Elizabeth BROWN and her brother Percy T(om) BROWN at 23 Cromwell Lane, Maldon. She subsequently married Ernest Wilberforce TUNMER (also of Maldon) on Christmas Day 1913.
In the 1911 Census the whole BROWN family were shown to have been born in the Chatham, Rochester, Maidstone area of Kent. In the 1901 Census there is however no sign of the BROWN family in either Maldon, Essex or Maidstone, Kent. There is however an otherwise identical family with the surname BROWNING living at 103 Rochester Avenue, Rochester and Chatham with 'correct' ages and birthplaces. So, my big current challenge is to find some record of the apparent migration and renaming of this BROWNING family in Maidstone in 1901 to become the BROWN family of Maldon by 1911. Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Assuming that I'm correct in thinking these two families are one and the same what is the best way of handling this Surname change in Family Historian?

Looking forward to any advice about solving and documenting this mystery.

Colin


Update to FH7 - lost my umlauts

Anne-Marie R
 

Hi all,
I've just updated from V5 to V7 and found that all my accented etc European characters have been replaced by the generic character error symbol. I did replace V5 with a full V7 version,not the upgrade version. 
I've opened the before/after GEDCOM files with notepad++ to confirm that those characters have been lost in the actual file rather than a display problem.
I can retype in all those characters one-by-one but I'd rather not. Any suggestions?

This upgrade was done on my laptop copy as a test, which I admit is running on Win10 in VMWare on a Mac, but V5 was encoded OK. Any suggestions on how to prevent this happening when I update the main copy?

Thanks for any suggestions, Anne-Marie


Re: Possible Error Bug?

John Hanson
 

Andrew

You haven’t said how you are adding the child as it can have some relevance
Are you using the property box, Focus window, diagram or something else?

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Braid
Sent: 19 February 2021 08:29
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Possible Error Bug?

 

I have a complex family. The father died and the mother remarried, but before she remarried she had a child, I do not know who the father is. When I enter the child with no spouse for the mother I get a possible error message saying the death is more than 12 months after the father's death. Is this a bug?
As an aside the birth entry of the son does not give a maiden name for the mother as is normal with illegitimate births but as she was previously married she did have a maiden name, Is this usual practice?
Andrew Braid


Re: Possible Error Bug?

Andrew Braid
 

Jenny

Thank you and apologies I discover I have added him to the father and not the mother! (it's still a bit early in the day.)

As regards the second point it was 1867.

Andrew


On 19/02/2021 08:44, Jenny Cochrane via groups.io wrote:

In answer to your first question, it's probably not a bug. It is one of several "alerts" that FH gives when you enter data that would be outside normal parameters. For example - a birth to a mother aged 60, or a "life" event with a date after the individual's death. If you re getting it when no spouse is recorded for the mother, double check the child's record to make sure no father is linked to the child (rather than spouse to the mother).

Re your second question, I'm not sure I entirely understand but I think you are saying that only the mother's married name was recorded on her son's birth cert? I don't know if this was usual, but it doesn't surprise me. You don't mention when this happened but people told all sorts of porkies or were "economical with the truth" when it came to illegitimacy or the registrar may simply have concluded that as the child was illegitimate, its mother had not been married.

Jenny

On Friday, 19 February 2021, 08:29:17 GMT, Andrew Braid <jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:


I have a complex family. The father died and the mother remarried, but before she remarried she had a child, I do not know who the father is. When I enter the child with no spouse for the mother I get a possible error message saying the death is more than 12 months after the father's death. Is this a bug?
As an aside the birth entry of the son does not give a maiden name for the mother as is normal with illegitimate births but as she was previously married she did have a maiden name, Is this usual practice?
Andrew Braid


Re: Possible Error Bug?

Jenny Cochrane
 

In answer to your first question, it's probably not a bug. It is one of several "alerts" that FH gives when you enter data that would be outside normal parameters. For example - a birth to a mother aged 60, or a "life" event with a date after the individual's death. If you re getting it when no spouse is recorded for the mother, double check the child's record to make sure no father is linked to the child (rather than spouse to the mother).

Re your second question, I'm not sure I entirely understand but I think you are saying that only the mother's married name was recorded on her son's birth cert? I don't know if this was usual, but it doesn't surprise me. You don't mention when this happened but people told all sorts of porkies or were "economical with the truth" when it came to illegitimacy or the registrar may simply have concluded that as the child was illegitimate, its mother had not been married.

Jenny

On Friday, 19 February 2021, 08:29:17 GMT, Andrew Braid <jamesandrewbraid@...> wrote:


I have a complex family. The father died and the mother remarried, but before she remarried she had a child, I do not know who the father is. When I enter the child with no spouse for the mother I get a possible error message saying the death is more than 12 months after the father's death. Is this a bug?
As an aside the birth entry of the son does not give a maiden name for the mother as is normal with illegitimate births but as she was previously married she did have a maiden name, Is this usual practice?
Andrew Braid


Possible Error Bug?

Andrew Braid
 

I have a complex family. The father died and the mother remarried, but before she remarried she had a child, I do not know who the father is. When I enter the child with no spouse for the mother I get a possible error message saying the death is more than 12 months after the father's death. Is this a bug?
As an aside the birth entry of the son does not give a maiden name for the mother as is normal with illegitimate births but as she was previously married she did have a maiden name, Is this usual practice?
Andrew Braid


Re: New download failure

Kathy Bergman <kathy@...>
 

Lorna - yes, I had to go create the folder myself - it did not create the folder upon installation.  I can only assume the protective virus software caused the glitch.  I got the program working -- and set the virus software to accept  family historian information.  I've had to do this more than once, though - so I'm not sure why the permission I gave is not universal.  I'll continue to watch where this occurs.  If I have to continue to give permission for FH to input data, I think it will get bothersome.  It will take some time to see why this is happening.    Thank you again.


Re: New download failure

Kathy Bergman <kathy@...>
 

Aha!  It turns out that our virus protection software saw FH as a threat and was blocking the creation of the folders (and was also the problem with the initial download.  I have an open window.  We will see if any more problems arise.  Thank you, all of you, for your help.  I hope I shall not have to return with any more start up issues.  Have a wonderful day or evening, wherever you are.


Re: New download failure

Lorna Craig
 

Is there actually a folder called 'Family Historian Projects' in Documents?  It should have been created when FH was installed.  If it's not there try creating it manually in Documents. Then go back to the Project window and try again to create a new project within it.

If it still won't work I'm baffled.  Perhaps someone else can shed some light?

On 17/02/2021 20:30, Kathy Bergman wrote:
I just tried a different approach.  I selected a specific location instead of the default.
Location now shows  C:\Users\Kathy\Documents\Family Historian Projects

I still get the same error "unable to create project folder" message after this change.


Re: New download failure

Lorna Craig
 

Yes, the folder name needs to match.  So change it to Documents.

On 17/02/2021 20:26, Kathy Bergman wrote:

Location:  My Documents\Family Historian Projects

Should it say "Documents" instead of "My Documents"?  The actual directory on my PC is "Documents"
_.


Re: Removing a downloaded property box tab

Julia Vokes
 

Mike

 

I’ll investigate the ‘Enhanced Death & Burial Set’ and see what it does. If not I’ll stick to the Fact Witness which is very good.  I was hoping to reduce some inputting as I’m buying lots of Wills during lockdown to fill in blanks. 

 

Thanks again for your help

 

Julia

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 17 February 2021 18:47
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Removing a downloaded property box tab

 

Julia,

Check the FHUG KB Download for the Property Box ‘Wills’ tab and it refers to the ‘Enhanced Death and Burial’ Fact Set.

The ‘Wills’ tab uses some of those custom facts rather than Fact Witnesses because they did not exist when it was designed.

It would be possible to redesign the ‘Wills’ tab to use Fact Witnesses but it is a bit complex and has some gotchas.

Firstly, it is not possible to identify which Fact Witnesses are Executors and which are Beneficiaries by checking their Role.

The Fact Witnesses would have to exist in a specific order to match the ‘Wills’ tab, so it is not really feasible. Sorry.

The same goes for Fact Witnesses on the Probate event.

Mike Tate

 


Re: New download failure

Kathy Bergman <kathy@...>
 

I just tried a different approach.  I selected a specific location instead of the default.
Location now shows  C:\Users\Kathy\Documents\Family Historian Projects

I still get the same error "unable to create project folder" message after this change.


Re: New download failure

Kathy Bergman <kathy@...>
 

Location:  My Documents\Family Historian Projects

Should it say "Documents" instead of "My Documents"?  The actual directory on my PC is "Documents"


Re: New download failure

Lorna Craig
 

So did you  "Reset Location to Installation Default" or "Choose Location for Projects", and if the latter what location did you choose?

Can you tell us exactly what is shown in the Project window where it says "Location:"

On 17/02/2021 19:32, Kathy Bergman wrote:

Lorna, Mike and all:  I was able to establish the Family Historian Project file under Documents on my PC. I was able to get the Project start window to appear.  I put in my name, parents names, etc.  I hit the "create project" button and got a pop-up that says, "Unable to create project folder."


Re: New download failure

Kathy Bergman <kathy@...>
 

Lorna, Mike and all:  I was able to establish the Family Historian Project file under Documents on my PC. I was able to get the Project start window to appear.  I put in my name, parents names, etc.  I hit the "create project" button and got a pop-up that says, "Unable to create project folder."

 

Any other suggestions?


Re: New download failure

Kathy Bergman <kathy@...>
 

Mike - it did not create a folder in my documents/family historian projects location. It didn't create any location.

I just received a response from FH and they told me to do this:  "I presume you are trying to create a new project in the "Project Window" (see window caption). Below the list of "Family Historian Projects" is a field labelled "Location". I'm guessing that this is pointing somewhere that doesn't exist, for some reason. Click on the "More Tasks" button. Then click on "Project List" and choose "Reset Location to Installation Default" or "Choose Location for Projects". If you opt for the latter, pick a suitable folder that you want your new project to be put into."

 So I used this advice along with Lorna's suggestions (which were the same - thank you Lorna).  It did work.  I'll try to create the project now and if I have further issues I will get back.  Thank you all so very much.

 


Re: Removing a downloaded property box tab

Mike Tate
 

Julia,

Check the FHUG KB Download for the Property Box ‘Wills’ tab and it refers to the ‘Enhanced Death and Burial’ Fact Set.

The ‘Wills’ tab uses some of those custom facts rather than Fact Witnesses because they did not exist when it was designed.

It would be possible to redesign the ‘Wills’ tab to use Fact Witnesses but it is a bit complex and has some gotchas.

Firstly, it is not possible to identify which Fact Witnesses are Executors and which are Beneficiaries by checking their Role.

The Fact Witnesses would have to exist in a specific order to match the ‘Wills’ tab, so it is not really feasible. Sorry.

The same goes for Fact Witnesses on the Probate event.

Mike Tate

 


Re: Removing a downloaded property box tab

Julia Vokes
 

Mike

Thank you very much for the prompt reply – it worked and I’ve moved the tab to the end. 

 

I currently enter beneficiaries using the cog Menu for witness on the Will fact and note the role as Beneficiary, then in the note part I enter their relationship to the Testator and what they inherited – eg son - inherits £250

 

I’ve just tried to add an Executor on the Probate fact using the cog menu, but notice that it doesn’t appear in the Wills tab.  The adjacent area is totally grey to Executoir details.  Any ideas?

 

Regards

Julia

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 16 February 2021 21:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Removing a downloaded property box tab

 

Julia,

Open that Wills tab then use the cog Menu > Customize Data Entry.

There you increase the tab position number or use More Tab Tasks > Delete Tab “Will”…

It might be possible to customise it further to show what each beneficiary inherited but I would need to know how you have entered that info.

Mike Tate

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