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Re: Internet Data Matching problem

Mike Tate
 

FYI: The Edge browser is another external browser just like Firefox or Chrome.

Those browser apps have absolutely no impact on the Internet Explorer Shell used by FH.

However, Windows Updates that coincidentally update the Edge may also upset the Internet Explorer Shell and require the resets suggested.

Using the External Web Browser option is a useful workaround.

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan Copeland
Sent: 14 March 2020 16:55
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Internet Data Matching problem

 

I believe something similar was asked a few days ago and there was an answer that suggested to me that Family Historian uses something akin to Internet Explorer as its built-in browser.  Settings were given that could be changed, but it all sounded a bit too fiddly to me ( I should say I was having the same issue as you).  I have recently installed the new version of Edge so suspect, but haven't checked, that the issue may well be related to the new Edge browser automatic settings, which is a Chrome based browser.

The alternative answer that was given was to change the settings in FamilyHistorian itself so as to open the data matches in an external browser.  I went for that option and it worked a treat.  It makes no odds to me whether I look at see the details of theses hints within FamilyHistorian or outside so I'm sticking with the changed settings.

You'll find the settings in Internet / Internet Data Matches then simply change the drop down for "Location to Display" to "External Web Browser".  A new tab will then open in your default browser, Chrome in my case.

Hopefully that's the answer to your question!

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Re: Internet Data Matching problem

Jonathan Copeland
 

I believe something similar was asked a few days ago and there was an answer that suggested to me that Family Historian uses something akin to Internet Explorer as its built-in browser.  Settings were given that could be changed, but it all sounded a bit too fiddly to me ( I should say I was having the same issue as you).  I have recently installed the new version of Edge so suspect, but haven't checked, that the issue may well be related to the new Edge browser automatic settings, which is a Chrome based browser.
The alternative answer that was given was to change the settings in FamilyHistorian itself so as to open the data matches in an external browser.  I went for that option and it worked a treat.  It makes no odds to me whether I look at see the details of theses hints within FamilyHistorian or outside so I'm sticking with the changed settings.
You'll find the settings in Internet / Internet Data Matches then simply change the drop down for "Location to Display" to "External Web Browser".  A new tab will then open in your default browser, Chrome in my case.
Hopefully that's the answer to your question!
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On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 15:40, Robert Flood via Groups.Io <robert.flood=btopenworld.com@groups.io> wrote:
I seem to have a problem with Internet Data Matching. I have matching enabled with Find my Past and in the Focus Window I can clearly see a roundel with a green figure in each person's entry. However when I click on the link the Web Search Window opens and is completely empty except for the address https://www.findmypast.co.uk/hints-ui/ in the bar. I cannot find any way of checking the link and the information at family-historian.co.uk/aidm does not seem to cover this. What am I doing wrong? Apologies if I should have posted this on FHUG, not sure what should go where.
Robert


Re: Sudden closures

Mike Tate
 

Phil & Pauline,

Can you please explain in more detail what you are doing.

Are you saying there are 50+ records to review for one person all in the same Web Search Window?

Or are you going back to the Focus Window and opening hints for another person?

I this latter case usually a new Web Search Window is opened so you will be accumulating many open Web Search Windows.

Unless that is you have changed Tools > Preferences > Workspaces to allow re-use of the Web Search Window.

 

Have you tried using the External Web Browser option?

 

If it really is a solid fault then it needs reporting to Calico Pie.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Pauline Parnell
Sent: 14 March 2020 17:12
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Sudden closures

 

Thanks Phil. I’ve been seeing the same thing but hadn’t joined the dots. 

Pauline 

 

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 17:08, Phil Young <phil@...> wrote:

Hi,
I have experienced this problem occasionally.
It only occurs for me when:

  1. the embedded IE web browser window is open,
  2. I have reviewed quite a few Internet data matches (say 50 or more) since last opening FH,
  3. opening of new pages / results seems to slow up and then it crashes

At the time it crashes I am not aware of having requested anything unusual or different.
When I re-open FH everything works fine (until the next time).
I just wonder whether there is a memory leak somewhere?
Just a thought, I have no evidence to support it.
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Re: Sudden closures

Pauline Parnell
 

Thanks Phil. I’ve been seeing the same thing but hadn’t joined the dots. 
Pauline 

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 17:08, Phil Young <phil@...> wrote:
Hi,
I have experienced this problem occasionally.
It only occurs for me when:
  1. the embedded IE web browser window is open,
  2. I have reviewed quite a few Internet data matches (say 50 or more) since last opening FH,
  3. opening of new pages / results seems to slow up and then it crashes
At the time it crashes I am not aware of having requested anything unusual or different.
When I re-open FH everything works fine (until the next time).
I just wonder whether there is a memory leak somewhere?
Just a thought, I have no evidence to support it.
Regards, Phil Young




Re: Sudden closures

Phil Young
 

Hi,
I have experienced this problem occasionally.
It only occurs for me when:
  1. the embedded IE web browser window is open,
  2. I have reviewed quite a few Internet data matches (say 50 or more) since last opening FH,
  3. opening of new pages / results seems to slow up and then it crashes
At the time it crashes I am not aware of having requested anything unusual or different.
When I re-open FH everything works fine (until the next time).
I just wonder whether there is a memory leak somewhere?
Just a thought, I have no evidence to support it.
Regards, Phil Young




Re: Internet Data Matching problem

Mike Tate
 

It is nothing to do with whether you use Internet Explorer or not, as it is an essential inherent component of Windows.

When programs like FH want to present a browser window they have to use the IE Shell.

But sometimes the IE Shell version needs resetting and the Plugin will do that, or you may have to reset IE itself as explained in the wiki.

That should get the FH Web Search Window working and you must Sign in to FMP via that FH window to retrieve records.

It is worth fixing otherwise other FH related features may not work correctly.

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Flood via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 March 2020 16:25
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Internet Data Matching problem

 

Mike,

 

Thanks. It all becomes clear from the wiki, I don't use Internet Explorer hence the problem. It does open in the External Web Browser, slightly less convenient but it works.

 

Regards

Robert

 

On Saturday, 14 March 2020, 15:53:55 GMT, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

 

 

Robert,

You can post wherever is most convenient, but it is a bit easier to refer to the FHUG Knowledge Base from the FHUG Forums than here.

Does it work OK if you choose an External Web Browser?

If so, then try running the Write Reg IE Shell Version Plugin.

Full details are explained in https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:internet_data_matches

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Flood via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 March 2020 15:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Internet Data Matching problem

 

I seem to have a problem with Internet Data Matching. I have matching enabled with Find my Past and in the Focus Window I can clearly see a roundel with a green figure in each person's entry. However when I click on the link the Web Search Window opens and is completely empty except for the address https://www.findmypast.co.uk/hints-ui/ in the bar. I cannot find any way of checking the link and the information at family-historian.co.uk/aidm does not seem to cover this. What am I doing wrong? Apologies if I should have posted this on FHUG, not sure what should go where.
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Re: Internet Data Matching problem

Robert Flood
 

Mike,

Thanks. It all becomes clear from the wiki, I don't use Internet Explorer hence the problem. It does open in the External Web Browser, slightly less convenient but it works.

Regards
Robert

On Saturday, 14 March 2020, 15:53:55 GMT, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:


Robert,

You can post wherever is most convenient, but it is a bit easier to refer to the FHUG Knowledge Base from the FHUG Forums than here.

Does it work OK if you choose an External Web Browser?

If so, then try running the Write Reg IE Shell Version Plugin.

Full details are explained in https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:internet_data_matches

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Flood via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 March 2020 15:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Internet Data Matching problem

 

I seem to have a problem with Internet Data Matching. I have matching enabled with Find my Past and in the Focus Window I can clearly see a roundel with a green figure in each person's entry. However when I click on the link the Web Search Window opens and is completely empty except for the address https://www.findmypast.co.uk/hints-ui/ in the bar. I cannot find any way of checking the link and the information at family-historian.co.uk/aidm does not seem to cover this. What am I doing wrong? Apologies if I should have posted this on FHUG, not sure what should go where.
Robert


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Re: Internet Data Matching problem

Mike Tate
 

Robert,

You can post wherever is most convenient, but it is a bit easier to refer to the FHUG Knowledge Base from the FHUG Forums than here.

Does it work OK if you choose an External Web Browser?

If so, then try running the Write Reg IE Shell Version Plugin.

Full details are explained in https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:internet_data_matches

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Flood via Groups.Io
Sent: 14 March 2020 15:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Internet Data Matching problem

 

I seem to have a problem with Internet Data Matching. I have matching enabled with Find my Past and in the Focus Window I can clearly see a roundel with a green figure in each person's entry. However when I click on the link the Web Search Window opens and is completely empty except for the address https://www.findmypast.co.uk/hints-ui/ in the bar. I cannot find any way of checking the link and the information at family-historian.co.uk/aidm does not seem to cover this. What am I doing wrong? Apologies if I should have posted this on FHUG, not sure what should go where.
Robert


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Internet Data Matching problem

Robert Flood
 

I seem to have a problem with Internet Data Matching. I have matching enabled with Find my Past and in the Focus Window I can clearly see a roundel with a green figure in each person's entry. However when I click on the link the Web Search Window opens and is completely empty except for the address https://www.findmypast.co.uk/hints-ui/ in the bar. I cannot find any way of checking the link and the information at family-historian.co.uk/aidm does not seem to cover this. What am I doing wrong? Apologies if I should have posted this on FHUG, not sure what should go where.
Robert


Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Lorna Craig
 

Trevor, the Relationship to Root column is a standard column in the Records Window.  There is no need to set it up as a customised column.  However the more remote relationships (for example via in-laws of in-laws) are not shown so it would not help with Victor’s more distant connections.

 

Victor, as Trevor has said, the How Related Tool does exactly what you want.  The results can be displayed either graphically or in report form, and if two people are connected in more than one way it can show up to 9 relationships.

 

Lorna

 

From: Trevor Rix
Sent: 14 March 2020 08:52
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Trimming My Family Tree In FH

 

@Victor

In Family Historian, have you tried using Tools menu > How Related ... ?

Also, in the Records Window it is useful to set up the customised column Relationship To Root.

 


Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Brian Horridge
 

Another very useful FH function where you have a large number of people in your FH database (and a lot of separate groups that are not yet connected)  is the "RelationPool" function which gives an incremental number to show separate groups.  It is not a fixed number (like the ID number) but is dynamic and is effectively created when you start FH (or re-calculated when you link 2 separate groups together).

The expression to use in columns / queries is =RelationPool()       I have it as a column in my main Records window and in most of my custom queries.

Brian

On 14/03/2020 08:52, Trevor Rix wrote:
@Victor

In Family Historian, have you tried using Tools menu > How Related ... ?

Also, in the Records Window it is useful to set up the customised column Relationship To Root.


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Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Trevor Rix
 

@Victor

In Family Historian, have you tried using Tools menu > How Related ... ?

Also, in the Records Window it is useful to set up the customised column Relationship To Root.


Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Victor Markham
 

Well said Lorna

I have close on 80,000 names and more than half are not directly related

One part of a spouse will not be directly related but their children will be.

Only yesterday I was working on my tree and added a new name to an unrelated individual. That new addition changed connections with other names. Though still not directly related it moved things a bit closer.

There is nothing wrong with retaining all the names you have. You have done the research and even if there is no direct relationship there is still a 'link' somewhere.

FH is the software I work on and from time to time I copy the tree details to FTM. Unlike FH FTM tells me the connection to the person on the tree. One example says ' 1st cousin 2 times removed of husband of 3rd cousin. That alone tells m the link even if I have to work it out. I just wish it gave names in addition to the connection details

Victor

On 12/03/2020 7:45 pm, Lorna Craig via Groups.Io wrote:

Chris,

Before you do anything, it's worth noting that some FH users have huge files with tens of thousands of people in them.  FH is very good at handling large numbers of records and it will do no harm to leave all those distant cousins in your file.  Personally I would never delete any research.  However if you really want to delete some of them do make a copy of your entire project first in case you make any mistakes.  I would recommend keeping it as an archive anyway, because it might be useful one day.

In the Records window, Individuals tab, you can click on the heading of the Relationship to Root column to sort the records by relationship to you (assuming you are the file root).  You can then see just how many of each type you have and, if you really want to remove some groups, they can be selected in the Records Window and added to a Named List.  (Multiple records can be selected at once by holding down the Alt key while clicking the first and last in the group).

Remember that in addition to deleting those Individual records you will also need to delete any Note Records, Multimedia Records, Source Records, Repository Records and Place records which would be left unused after the deletion of the Individuals.  Use File > Split Tree Helper and select Delete all Individual records found by the Individual Query below, and use the Named List Members query.  In the 'Other Records' section set all the options to Delete ... Records left with no links to them.  Unfortunately the Split Tree Helper does not delete unused Place Records so you will need to do that afterwards by selecting  any Place records with no links (in the Records Window) and adding them to a Named List for deletion.

Lorna

List > Delete Named List Records. 

On 12/03/2020 18:39, Chris Wake wrote:

When I first start researching my Family History 20 years ago I put no limitations on who I should include in my Tree. Subsequently I now have over 5000 individuals who I am related to in one way or another. This has become unmanageable and makes research harder. What I’d like to do is trim my tree by restriction my “sideways” ancestors (I’m sure there is a correct genealogical term for this but I don’t know it) to 3 units. At the moment I have 4th,5th,6th , 7th cousins X Removed etc. included but would like to restrict this to a maximum of 3rd cousins. Is there a function / value in Family Historian that will give me the “sideways” value so I can write a query listing all 4th + cousins in my tree, and so remove them all.

 

Thanks

 

Chris


Re: Hourglass Chart

Mike Tate
 

Try the standard Ancestor and Descendant Diagram icon from the main toolbar.

Alternatively, use View > Standard Diagram Types > Bow Tie – All.

When you say print do you mean actually print on to paper?

 

With Diagram open use Diagram > Save Diagram As > PDF File (.pdf) and accept the defaults to produce a PDF file that can be printed usually on one page.

 

There is a File > Print command but you must get the paper size, page boundaries, and scale correct to fit it all on one page.

 

Further advice is in the FHUG Knowledge Base.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of kiwipete
Sent: 13 March 2020 01:22
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Hourglass Chart

 

Can I actually print what used be called an Hourglass Chart.  From memory I think it prints a chart left to right for the main family members and then a list of ancestors and Descendants,

Sorry bit vague was a long long while ago that I saw one.


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Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Lorna Craig
 

Yes, sorry! I meant to say the Shft key.

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 12 March 2020 19:52
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Trimming My Family Tree In FH

 

BTW: I think Lorna meant hold down the Shft key while clicking the first and last in the group, not the Alt key.

 

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Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

John Hanson
 

Chris

My personal file, which includes my small one-name study, which I started nearly 40 years ago now has 25,000 in it
I also do the research for the Halsted Trust (an educational family history charity) and that file has nearly 40,000 in it with over 700 John Halstead’s
You just get used to filtering the data and I make extensive use of flags to identify branches of the tree

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Wake
Sent: 12 March 2020 18:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Trimming My Family Tree In FH

 

When I first start researching my Family History 20 years ago I put no limitations on who I should include in my Tree. Subsequently I now have over 5000 individuals who I am related to in one way or another. This has become unmanageable and makes research harder. What I’d like to do is trim my tree by restriction my “sideways” ancestors (I’m sure there is a correct genealogical term for this but I don’t know it) to 3 units. At the moment I have 4th,5th,6th , 7th cousins X Removed etc. included but would like to restrict this to a maximum of 3rd cousins. Is there a function / value in Family Historian that will give me the “sideways” value so I can write a query listing all 4th + cousins in my tree, and so remove them all.

 

Thanks

 

Chris


Hourglass Chart

kiwipete
 

Can I actually print what used be called an Hourglass Chart.  From memory I think it prints a chart left to right for the main family members and then a list of ancestors and Descendants,

Sorry bit vague was a long long while ago that I saw one.


Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Mike Tate
 

BTW: I think Lorna meant hold down the Shft key while clicking the first and last in the group, not the Alt key.

 

(Multiple records can be selected at once by holding down the Alt key while clicking the first and last in the group).


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Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Mike Tate
 

Chris,

It would be handy to know in what ways it has become unmanageable and makes research harder.

 

I suggest you take a Full Project Backup beforehand just in case you delete too much or wish to retrieve a branch later.

 

To discover your more remote relatives try using View > Standard Queries > All Relatives which has a Relationship to Root column.

The Records Window Individuals tab usually has a Relationship to Root column too, so why not use that.

Click on that column heading to sort into order and all those who are so distant they have no relationship will be listed first.

Those starting 3rd cousin…, 4th cousin..., etc, will be further down.

Just select the ones you want to delete and add them to a Named List so you can use List > Delete Named List Records.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Wake
Sent: 12 March 2020 18:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Trimming My Family Tree In FH

 

When I first start researching my Family History 20 years ago I put no limitations on who I should include in my Tree. Subsequently I now have over 5000 individuals who I am related to in one way or another. This has become unmanageable and makes research harder. What I’d like to do is trim my tree by restriction my “sideways” ancestors (I’m sure there is a correct genealogical term for this but I don’t know it) to 3 units. At the moment I have 4th,5th,6th , 7th cousins X Removed etc. included but would like to restrict this to a maximum of 3rd cousins. Is there a function / value in Family Historian that will give me the “sideways” value so I can write a query listing all 4th + cousins in my tree, and so remove them all.

 

Thanks

 

Chris

 


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Re: Trimming My Family Tree In FH

Lorna Craig
 

Chris,

Before you do anything, it's worth noting that some FH users have huge files with tens of thousands of people in them.  FH is very good at handling large numbers of records and it will do no harm to leave all those distant cousins in your file.  Personally I would never delete any research.  However if you really want to delete some of them do make a copy of your entire project first in case you make any mistakes.  I would recommend keeping it as an archive anyway, because it might be useful one day.

In the Records window, Individuals tab, you can click on the heading of the Relationship to Root column to sort the records by relationship to you (assuming you are the file root).  You can then see just how many of each type you have and, if you really want to remove some groups, they can be selected in the Records Window and added to a Named List.  (Multiple records can be selected at once by holding down the Alt key while clicking the first and last in the group).

Remember that in addition to deleting those Individual records you will also need to delete any Note Records, Multimedia Records, Source Records, Repository Records and Place records which would be left unused after the deletion of the Individuals.  Use File > Split Tree Helper and select Delete all Individual records found by the Individual Query below, and use the Named List Members query.  In the 'Other Records' section set all the options to Delete ... Records left with no links to them.  Unfortunately the Split Tree Helper does not delete unused Place Records so you will need to do that afterwards by selecting  any Place records with no links (in the Records Window) and adding them to a Named List for deletion.

Lorna

List > Delete Named List Records. 

On 12/03/2020 18:39, Chris Wake wrote:

When I first start researching my Family History 20 years ago I put no limitations on who I should include in my Tree. Subsequently I now have over 5000 individuals who I am related to in one way or another. This has become unmanageable and makes research harder. What I’d like to do is trim my tree by restriction my “sideways” ancestors (I’m sure there is a correct genealogical term for this but I don’t know it) to 3 units. At the moment I have 4th,5th,6th , 7th cousins X Removed etc. included but would like to restrict this to a maximum of 3rd cousins. Is there a function / value in Family Historian that will give me the “sideways” value so I can write a query listing all 4th + cousins in my tree, and so remove them all.

 

Thanks

 

Chris

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