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Re: Plugin - Files in media folder and not linked to project

Mike Tate
 

James,

The Plugin is unlikely to be mistaken.

The Plugin says C:\Users\james\Documents\Family Historian Projects\Pam family\Pam family.fh_data\Media\xxx.jpg is not linked to a Media record.

You say it is, but does the Media record File Link: Media\xxx.jpg exactly match the file name in the Plugin report?

Please double-check. The filenames or folders may be similar but there must be something different.

 

FYI:

C:\Users\james\Documents\Family Historian Projects\ is the Location where you Projects are saved by FH.

\Pam family\Pam family.fh_data\Media is your Pam family project folder and data subfolder where Media files are saved.

They are all just standard Windows folders and files.

 

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of James Pam
Sent: 14 February 2021 12:44
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Plugin - Files in media folder and not linked to project

 

Thank you Adrian that helps me improve my understanding.

 but I still don’t understand why, when I check in a person’s property box/media I find the image that the plugin tells me is not linked to the project!

As you say the plugin:

‘ looks in the Project's media folder and checks whether the file (file in the Windows sense) has been linked to a Media Record in FH or not.

When I save images I follow the default route and save in the project not on my hard drive.

In the plugin report, the file structure is:

C:\Users\james\Documents\Family Historian Projects\Pam family\Pam family.fh_data\media\xxxjpg

I have a feeling that what I am exposing is a basic ignorance about file structures!


Re: Plugin - Files in media folder and not linked to project

James Pam
 

Thank you Adrian that helps me improve my understanding.

 but I still don’t understand why, when I check in a person’s property box/media I find the image that the plugin tells me is not linked to the project!

As you say the plugin:

‘ looks in the Project's media folder and checks whether the file (file in the Windows sense) has been linked to a Media Record in FH or not.

When I save images I follow the default route and save in the project not on my hard drive.

In the plugin report, the file structure is:

C:\Users\james\Documents\Family Historian Projects\Pam family\Pam family.fh_data\media\xxxjpg

I have a feeling that what I am exposing is a basic ignorance about file structures!


Re: FH7 and One-name Studies

Robert
 

Mike,

Thanks very much for that - it works a treat!

I was able to append the Pool to the Name in the Property Box, so it now reads : "Individual: Robert LUND ID: [1] Pool: [1]" - Awesome!

Ditto for Diagrams!

Many thanks,

Robert

On Sunday, 14 February 2021, 11:05:35 GMT, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:


Robert,

In a Diagram on the Text tab Clone… a Text Scheme and Edit the custom copy so a Used Item includes Pool =RelationPool()

It could even be appended to the Name item.

 

In a Property Box, I’ve realised it cannot be added to the Main tab but can appear in the Caption at the top.

Use its cog Menu > Options… click the Captions… button and in the Individual expression append Pool =RelationPool() after the Name.

 

Mike

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert via groups.io
Sent: 14 February 2021 08:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 and One-name Studies

 

Mike,

 

I thank you for your advice. I have managed to use the =RelationPool() function as a column in the Records view, and that is extremely useful.

 

However, I'm struggling to find how to include the function into the Diagrams and Property Box - the Property Box being the priority for me.

 

Any help appreciated?

 

Robert


Re: Migrating to a new laptop

Mike Tate
 

John,

Follow the FHUG Knowledge Base ~ Family Historian V5 & V6 Migration Guide it will work for FH V7:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-v5-v6-migration-guide/

You must migrate your custom settings as well as Projects and there are some gotchas regarding Media files.

Your situation is a bit different as you have already upgraded to FH V7.

I presume you are not planning to run both laptops in parallel synchronised together.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 14 February 2021 11:26
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Migrating to a new laptop

 

This is timely as I am taking delivery of a new laptop this week. Is it simply a matter of doing a full backup from my old machine, install FH on new machine then restore backup. Or did I read about having to manually move folders to maintain settings and plugins? I am on FH7.

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Re: Migrating to a new laptop

Mike Tate
 

Sylvia,

I presume you are not planning to keep the two laptops running in parallel in the long term.

In that case, make full backups of your Projects and all your custom settings.

Use the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings plugin.

These are important for two reasons: 1) to migrate to the new PC; 2) In case you wish to revert to FH V6.

 

It is best to keep FH V6 running on your old laptop and also install FH V6 on the new laptop.

Then you can migrate the Projects and custom settings to the new laptop.

See the FHUG Knowledge Base ~ Family Historian V5 & V6 Migration Guide:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-v5-v6-migration-guide/

 

Then you can upgrade the new laptop to FH V7, but keep FH V6 on the old laptop for a while.

 

The alternative is to upgrade to FH V7 on both laptops, and perform similar backups as above but taking care not to overwrite the FH V6 backups.

Then migrate using the same Migration Guide which will also apply to FH V7.

 

What is NOT recommended is to upgrade to FH V7 on the new laptop and migrate the FH V6 backups.

The files are too different, especially for the custom settings.

 

Mike Tate


Re: Migrating to a new laptop

johnfirr@...
 

This is timely as I am taking delivery of a new laptop this week. Is it simply a matter of doing a full backup from my old machine, install FH on new machine then restore backup. Or did I read about having to manually move folders to maintain settings and plugins? I am on FH7.


Re: FH7 and One-name Studies

Mike Tate
 

Robert,

In a Diagram on the Text tab Clone… a Text Scheme and Edit the custom copy so a Used Item includes Pool =RelationPool()

It could even be appended to the Name item.

 

In a Property Box, I’ve realised it cannot be added to the Main tab but can appear in the Caption at the top.

Use its cog Menu > Options… click the Captions… button and in the Individual expression append Pool =RelationPool() after the Name.

 

Mike

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert via groups.io
Sent: 14 February 2021 08:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 and One-name Studies

 

Mike,

 

I thank you for your advice. I have managed to use the =RelationPool() function as a column in the Records view, and that is extremely useful.

 

However, I'm struggling to find how to include the function into the Diagrams and Property Box - the Property Box being the priority for me.

 

Any help appreciated?

 

Robert


Re: Migrating to a new laptop

Julia Vokes
 

Personally I’d do the new laptop first and keep the program you are familiar with.  But which ever route you decide to use, it’s essential to make a complete back up of everything.  When I last changed computers I actually made two backups of everything on two separate devices, external hard drives, as I would have been deviated if anything had been lost.  Bit belt and braces, but better safe than sorry!!

Julia


On 14 Feb 2021, at 08:54, Sylvia.waterson21@... wrote:

Hi everybody,
Is it best to upgrade to FH7 before migrating to a new laptop - or to migrate to a new laptop and then upgrade to FH7?
Any advice will be much appreciated


Re: Mystery

Julia Vokes
 

And if the two baptisms are several years apart it can indicate that the first child died and the second child was named after the first one, quite a common practice.  So worth checking burial registers as well.

Regards
Julia 


On 14 Feb 2021, at 10:06, Geoffrey Knott <geoff0knott@...> wrote:



If an unbaptised person died it was thought that he/she would not be received into heaven: so if a newborn or unbaptised child was thought to be unlikely to survive, a fairly common practice was for a baptism to be arranged at the home. This would usually, but not always, be indicated in the register by a 'P' or 'half-baptised'. If the child subsequently survived, a full church baptism would be held, again usually, but not always, marked in the register as 'received into the church'.

Hopr this helps.

Geoff

On 13/02/2021 20:32, james o'kelly wrote:
Not a technical problem, but a record source, I have come across two records of christening for the same person on two different occasions, one in 1813 and another in 1814, has anyone else found this?, and how can this be? would appreciate any input, I believe they are at the same church,


Re: Mystery

Geoffrey Knott
 

If an unbaptised person died it was thought that he/she would not be received into heaven: so if a newborn or unbaptised child was thought to be unlikely to survive, a fairly common practice was for a baptism to be arranged at the home. This would usually, but not always, be indicated in the register by a 'P' or 'half-baptised'. If the child subsequently survived, a full church baptism would be held, again usually, but not always, marked in the register as 'received into the church'.

Hopr this helps.

Geoff

On 13/02/2021 20:32, james o'kelly wrote:
Not a technical problem, but a record source, I have come across two records of christening for the same person on two different occasions, one in 1813 and another in 1814, has anyone else found this?, and how can this be? would appreciate any input, I believe they are at the same church,


Re: Mystery

John Hanson
 

James

Without knowing the source of both here are a number of possibilities

1 – as others have said a private and then church baptism

2 – Different churches

3 – one from parish records and the other from BTs (the clerk got it wrong)

If you got them from ancestry of findmypast both with tell you whether they are PR or BT and also the name of the church

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of james o'kelly
Sent: 13 February 2021 20:33
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Mystery

 

Not a technical problem, but a record source, I have come across two records of christening for the same person on two different occasions, one in 1813 and another in 1814, has anyone else found this?, and how can this be? would appreciate any input, I believe they are at the same church,


Re: Mystery

Brian Horridge
 

James

Another scenario is where several children are baptised at the same time (ie "job lot").  If this is the case for the 1814 one, it could be that the parents decided to do the older child (1813 child) again "just in case".  I have found a couple of instances of this.

Brian

On 13/02/2021 20:32, james o'kelly wrote:
Not a technical problem, but a record source, I have come across two records of christening for the same person on two different occasions, one in 1813 and another in 1814, has anyone else found this?, and how can this be? would appreciate any input, I believe they are at the same church,

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Re: Mystery

Robin
 

I have found similar anomalies. It has often been there has been a birth, christening and death in quick succession. The next year a birth and christening uses the same name as was fairly common in those times. If this is on a transcription it could be an error but when it is the original church record it would more likely be correct.

Robin Dew

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of james o'kelly
Sent: 13 February 2021 20:33
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Mystery

 

Not a technical problem, but a record source, I have come across two records of christening for the same person on two different occasions, one in 1813 and another in 1814, has anyone else found this?, and how can this be? would appreciate any input, I believe they are at the same church,


Re: Mystery

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

I have an example of a repeated baptism here: https://genealogy.stackexchange.com/q/15307/6485. Was the first baptism private and the second simply a record of the child being received?

 

There’s another example here: https://genealogy.stackexchange.com/questions/3057/why-was-flossie-baptised-twice-1898-1903-at-stalbridge-dorset-england

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of james o'kelly
Sent: 13 February 2021 20:33
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Mystery

 

Not a technical problem, but a record source, I have come across two records of christening for the same person on two different occasions, one in 1813 and another in 1814, has anyone else found this?, and how can this be? would appreciate any input, I believe they are at the same church,


Migrating to a new laptop

Sylvia.waterson21@...
 

Hi everybody,
Is it best to upgrade to FH7 before migrating to a new laptop - or to migrate to a new laptop and then upgrade to FH7?
Any advice will be much appreciated


Mystery

james o'kelly
 

Not a technical problem, but a record source, I have come across two records of christening for the same person on two different occasions, one in 1813 and another in 1814, has anyone else found this?, and how can this be? would appreciate any input, I believe they are at the same church,


Re: FH7 and One-name Studies

Robert
 

Mike,

I thank you for your advice. I have managed to use the =RelationPool() function as a column in the Records view, and that is extremely useful.

However, I'm struggling to find how to include the function into the Diagrams and Property Box - the Property Box being the priority for me.

Any help appreciated?

Robert



On Thursday, 11 February 2021, 10:23:50 GMT, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:


Assuming there is no overlap between your Family and the ONS records you may not need Flags at all.

As has been suggested earlier, use the Relationship Pool number instead.

e.g.

Run the standard ‘Query > Relatives and Relationships > Search For Orphans’ which lists Individuals grouped into their Pool number.

Your large Family will be in Pool number 1 and all other unrelated groups will be in higher-numbered Pools.

The Pool number is shown by the =RelationPool() function that can be used anywhere an Expression is allowed in Queries, Diagrams, Reports, etc.

 

On the Records Window for Individuals, you can configure a column with =RelationPool() so it is always available.

It can also be configured into the Property Box on the Main tab or in the Caption above.

 

If you find you do need Record Flags then the Search For Orphans query Result Set menu lets you ‘Set Flag on Row Records’ you have selected.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert via groups.io
Sent: 11 February 2021 08:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 and One-name Studies

 

I also like the idea of using flags to separate my actual direct family line from the ONS. I have 9,162 individuals, and 2880 families in my current 'Master' project.  The thing is, how do I set about flagging them, obviously doing one by one will take an eternity! 

 

Looking at it logically, I would like to be able to create a Query which extracts all my confirmed relations, and then flags them to be so as "Family" say; and then flag the rest (only the one name) as "ONS". I would then still be able to use the Orphan and Pool system independently, for whatever reason.

 

Any ideas on creating such a query please?

 

Robert


Re: Comprehensive User Manual ?

Paul Sillitoe
 

Thank you, Jan, that's a helpful suggestion. 

Paul

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone but not so smart as to usefully auto-correct the typos from my large fingers 🙂


-------- Original message --------
From: Jan Murphy <packrat74@...>
Date: 13/02/2021 19:55 (GMT+00:00)
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Comprehensive User Manual ?

Hello, Paul --

If you haven't already, I encourage you to join the FHUG forum, search for previous discussions, and start a new one.  

I took a fiction workshop once where everyone read drafts and then offered criticisms and suggestions to fix things that weren't working. There I learned that even if a writer didn't take the suggested advice for a fix, the suggestion is still of value because it gives you something to bounce your own idea off of.  "No, I don't want to do X, Y will work better."  

If prompted, I suspect people will talk about the advantages and disadvantages of doing things their way.   I also have some cases where I need to do a combo One-Name and One-Place study and have been pondering how best to handle the data, so I'd be interested in hearing what you've done so far.  The forum is probably best for a discussion like that. 

I agree with Adrian that it helps to get some data into the program and play with it to see what things look like.  For people doing their own family research, I often suggest that they enter records from an associate or neighbor when doing a test-drive, to avoid the monotony of always entering the same family data over and over again.

I hope you can have a fruitful discussion that will help you clarify your thoughts.

Jan Murphy

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:05 AM Paul Sillitoe <paul@...> wrote:
Thank you all. These are the sorts of options that I need to know about in more detail. You are right to ask "what will work for me?" At this stage, I'm trying to better assimilate what information is available, and narrow the options down, while avoiding splitting too many infinitives and hairs.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone but not so smart as to usefully auto-correct the typos from my large fingers 🙂


Re: Comprehensive User Manual ?

Jan Murphy
 

Hello, Paul --

If you haven't already, I encourage you to join the FHUG forum, search for previous discussions, and start a new one.  

I took a fiction workshop once where everyone read drafts and then offered criticisms and suggestions to fix things that weren't working. There I learned that even if a writer didn't take the suggested advice for a fix, the suggestion is still of value because it gives you something to bounce your own idea off of.  "No, I don't want to do X, Y will work better."  

If prompted, I suspect people will talk about the advantages and disadvantages of doing things their way.   I also have some cases where I need to do a combo One-Name and One-Place study and have been pondering how best to handle the data, so I'd be interested in hearing what you've done so far.  The forum is probably best for a discussion like that. 

I agree with Adrian that it helps to get some data into the program and play with it to see what things look like.  For people doing their own family research, I often suggest that they enter records from an associate or neighbor when doing a test-drive, to avoid the monotony of always entering the same family data over and over again.

I hope you can have a fruitful discussion that will help you clarify your thoughts.

Jan Murphy


On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:05 AM Paul Sillitoe <paul@...> wrote:
Thank you all. These are the sorts of options that I need to know about in more detail. You are right to ask "what will work for me?" At this stage, I'm trying to better assimilate what information is available, and narrow the options down, while avoiding splitting too many infinitives and hairs.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone but not so smart as to usefully auto-correct the typos from my large fingers 🙂


Re: Beginners Question

Kathy Bergman
 

Thank you, everyone, for these thoughtful responses.  They will help me to know how to proceed.  I think your suggestion, Lorna, is a good one.  I think I shall endeavor towards that direction for now.  Linux is out of my field of expertise, but I know many who prefer it.  I appreciate this forum and the responses very much!

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