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Re: Prison record

Adrian Bruce
 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 08:47, colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
<colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk> wrote:
...
I record time in prison as a Residence event, with approx. dates if I don’t have exact dates. ...
How interesting. I'd never have thought of that. Well, in honesty, I
doubt I'd do that myself - the closest I came to doing it was
considering whether my grandfathers' should have a Residence of
"France & Flanders" during WW1 and deciding against it because they
got the vote in their "home" constituency and it didn't seem right to
alter their Residence away from that.

Makes me wonder how many subtle differences there are in our usages -
such as using the standard "Occupation" for military service instead
of a Custom Attribute? I doubt such differences matter for most of
us....

Adrian


Re: FH7 and One-name Studies

Debbie Kennett
 

I’ve been using Family Historian for my one-name study since the very early days of Family Historian. I’ve never seen the point of using Custodian as anything you can enter into Custodian can be entered into Family Historian instead.

 

I keep all my family history data including my one-name study data in one big Family Historian project. In the Record Window you can display all the people in your database in a spreadsheet-like display with sortable and customisable columns. It therefore becomes very easy to see at a glance how many people you have in your database with the same name born at the same time. That can sometimes be very helpful for elimination purposes. For example, if there are only two people with the same name born at the same time and you’ve already “killed off” one of them, you will know that all the records after the death date must relate to the other person.

 

Groups of unrelated individuals are assigned by Family Historian into pools. I find it useful to add a column in the Records Window for my pools and you can then sort by pool to see all the people in each group. Pool 1 is everyone in my own family tree. I have a total of 108 pools. Some of them only consist of three or four people. If I research a family I find it easier just to record all the information in Family Historian in the hope that one day I will be able to join the dots up to one of the bigger trees.


Debbie Kennett

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert via groups.io
Sent: 10 February 2021 09:19
To: Family Historian Groups.io Mailing List <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] FH7 and One-name Studies

 

I am looking into doing a one-name study, and was wondering whether FH7 could be used for this purpose. Has anyone any idea or experience of this? I have been directed to the Custodian software, but don’t see the point if FH7 can do the same job.

Robert


 


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Adrian Bruce
 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 11:56, Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@gmail.com> wrote:
.... I'm still not quite clear on the matter of trees which have been shared with me.
Just go to the main menu in Ancestry, click Trees and look at the drop
down list. That will show you your trees and the ones that you've been
given explicit access to. Remember that if it's a public tree, you
don't need explicit access so you might use one all the time and not
see it in that list.

By the way, thanks to all those who reassured us that you can keep
access on rejoining. Sounds like it's been written to allow people
back in and take up where they left off - which is not a given.

Adrian


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Teresa Goatham
 

Agree, you don't lose access to your tree(s). I'm pretty sure you can still change them, add to them etc. while you don't have a sub. I definitely find when I am between subs I can also see the trees belonging to others that they have shared with me and most of the content. I can see their notes, images they have attached, but where they have added links to media on Ancestry I can see what they have attached but can't see the record transcript or the image (e.g. I can see that they have attached the 1891 census images, but not the details on it).

Without a sub I can see new DNA matches, but the info about their tree (if there is one) is limited. At present though I can go into library edition and view their full tree there. There is no problem with using the two versions at once - no need to log out of one to log in to the other. Without a sub I can contact DNA matches (from the non-library edition) but it's not possible to contact other people e.g. because there tree shows a match from either edition (but I can reply if they contact me).

Teresa 

On 10/02/2021 11:16, Sue Herrington wrote:
From personal experience, you will retain your username, password and any/all trees which you have created, along with attached media images.

Sue

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, 11:01 Frances Atherton, <frankie445@...> wrote:
I have let my membership lapse and then renewed using the discount code and I have never lost access to my trees on Ancestry. 

Frances 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 10:57, Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 10:32 Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@...> wrote:
   ... what happens to your trees and any which have been shared with you? I have 4 trees shared with me and I wouldn't want to lose access to them.
...
I don't know the answer but logic says that if you cancel and become a new member, you will *not* retain your user identity - whether visibly or behind the scenes. Otherwise, surely you're not a new member?

That would imply that you didn't retain access to other people's trees because you're not you any more. My logic would even suggest that you don't retain update access to your own tree.

Now, can anyone confirm or deny my logic

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Re: Prison record

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

As I said, it’s a valid suggestion, but how would you handle an Acquittal (no Criminal Record, no Conviction, no Criminal History)?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 10 February 2021 11:53
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

My example of a Conviction attribute was just that ~ an example of Sentence Template options.

I also suggested Criminal Record and Criminal History.

The main point was to consider making the custom fact Name/Label as generic as reasonably possible.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 10 February 2021 11:31
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

Mike, my fact is specifically designed to record the Court Appearance event, and use the Note field as flexibly as possible. Your suggestion is valid, but does something else...  Would you also have a Acquitted fact, because using one of your suggestions would have the bizarre result of e.g. a Conviction fact with a sentence saying they were acquitted.  Which doesn’t work well in a summary report...

 

The Court Appearance fact also caters for civil court appearances.

 


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Paul Reeve
 

From personal experience, you will retain your username, password and any/all trees which you have created, along with attached media images.
 
Sue
Thank you. My own trees are basically there because I shared them with others. I'm still not quite clear on the matter of trees which have been shared with me.
Paul
 


Re: Prison record

Mike Tate
 

My example of a Conviction attribute was just that ~ an example of Sentence Template options.

I also suggested Criminal Record and Criminal History.

The main point was to consider making the custom fact Name/Label as generic as reasonably possible.

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 10 February 2021 11:31
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

Mike, my fact is specifically designed to record the Court Appearance event, and use the Note field as flexibly as possible. Your suggestion is valid, but does something else...  Would you also have a Acquitted fact, because using one of your suggestions would have the bizarre result of e.g. a Conviction fact with a sentence saying they were acquitted.  Which doesn’t work well in a summary report...

 

The Court Appearance fact also caters for civil court appearances.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 10 February 2021 11:23
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

It might be more appropriate to use a more generic fact name/label such as Criminal Record, Criminal History or Conviction.

{individual} was convicted {date} {place} {age}

 

If you make it a custom Attribute then its value could describe the crime and the sentence.

{place} {date} {age}, {individual} was convicted< of {value}>

e.g.

In The Central Criminal Court about 1910 aged 30, he was convicted of GBH and sentenced to 12 and 7 years to run concurrently.

 

In some cases, it may be necessary to customise the Sentence for specific instances of the fact.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 10 February 2021 10:00
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

It’s a very simple fact definition. (I won’t attach a screenshot as that will go into moderation).

 

Name and Label both Court Appearance

Normal Tim Frame: Live

No witness roles

Sentence: {individual} appeared in court {date} {place} {age}

 

Fields required: Date, Place, Note, Age

 

I don’t use Address so haven’t included that, and frankly I’m not convinced the address of the court is relevant.

 


Re: Prison record

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Mike, my fact is specifically designed to record the Court Appearance event, and use the Note field as flexibly as possible. Your suggestion is valid, but does something else...  Would you also have a Acquitted fact, because using one of your suggestions would have the bizarre result of e.g. a Conviction fact with a sentence saying they were acquitted.  Which doesn’t work well in a summary report...

 

The Court Appearance fact also caters for civil court appearances.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 10 February 2021 11:23
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

It might be more appropriate to use a more generic fact name/label such as Criminal Record, Criminal History or Conviction.

{individual} was convicted {date} {place} {age}

 

If you make it a custom Attribute then its value could describe the crime and the sentence.

{place} {date} {age}, {individual} was convicted< of {value}>

e.g.

In The Central Criminal Court about 1910 aged 30, he was convicted of GBH and sentenced to 12 and 7 years to run concurrently.

 

In some cases, it may be necessary to customise the Sentence for specific instances of the fact.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 10 February 2021 10:00
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

It’s a very simple fact definition. (I won’t attach a screenshot as that will go into moderation).

 

Name and Label both Court Appearance

Normal Tim Frame: Live

No witness roles

Sentence: {individual} appeared in court {date} {place} {age}

 

Fields required: Date, Place, Note, Age

 

I don’t use Address so haven’t included that, and frankly I’m not convinced the address of the court is relevant.

 


Re: Prison record

Mike Tate
 

It might be more appropriate to use a more generic fact name/label such as Criminal Record, Criminal History or Conviction.

{individual} was convicted {date} {place} {age}

 

If you make it a custom Attribute then its value could describe the crime and the sentence.

{place} {date} {age}, {individual} was convicted< of {value}>

e.g.

In The Central Criminal Court about 1910 aged 30, he was convicted of GBH and sentenced to 12 and 7 years to run concurrently.

 

In some cases, it may be necessary to customise the Sentence for specific instances of the fact.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 10 February 2021 10:00
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

It’s a very simple fact definition. (I won’t attach a screenshot as that will go into moderation).

 

Name and Label both Court Appearance

Normal Tim Frame: Live

No witness roles

Sentence: {individual} appeared in court {date} {place} {age}

 

Fields required: Date, Place, Note, Age

 

I don’t use Address so haven’t included that, and frankly I’m not convinced the address of the court is relevant.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hanson
Sent: 10 February 2021 09:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

Thanks – however this one isn’t that easy
No record of a court case that I can find in the papers (Battersea area of London is very poorly covered)
All I have is the Crime Report from the TNA CRIM9 -
Central Criminal Court: After Trial Calendars Of Prisoners on FindMyPast
These record the crime (no dates) the sentence (in his case 12 and 7 years to run concurrently)
He was in Brixton prison in 1911 and I suspect when 1921 comes out he will probably be in Dartmoor
Suddenly realised that it will be in the oldbaileyonline - https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-60-19110425&div=t19110425-60#highlight

Second wife divorces him in 1915
In 1935 he marries for the third time and finally dies in 197

So I suppose a source of the CRIM record and can link that to his 1911 census and also a court appearance (any chance of a copy of the fact from you?)
Regards

John

 


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Trevor Rix
 

When you cancel your membership, let it expire, then rejoin, you just carry on from where you left off. You don't lose access to anything.


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Sue Herrington
 

From personal experience, you will retain your username, password and any/all trees which you have created, along with attached media images.

Sue

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021, 11:01 Frances Atherton, <frankie445@...> wrote:
I have let my membership lapse and then renewed using the discount code and I have never lost access to my trees on Ancestry. 

Frances 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 10:57, Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 10:32 Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@...> wrote:
   ... what happens to your trees and any which have been shared with you? I have 4 trees shared with me and I wouldn't want to lose access to them.
...
I don't know the answer but logic says that if you cancel and become a new member, you will *not* retain your user identity - whether visibly or behind the scenes. Otherwise, surely you're not a new member?

That would imply that you didn't retain access to other people's trees because you're not you any more. My logic would even suggest that you don't retain update access to your own tree.

Now, can anyone confirm or deny my logic?



Re: FH7 and One-name Studies

Trevor Rix
 

It is not necessary to give each family an identifier. The Search For Orphans query does that for you automatically. You can then select a person in a particular Pool to work on that family.


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Frances Atherton
 

I have let my membership lapse and then renewed using the discount code and I have never lost access to my trees on Ancestry. 

Frances 

On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 10:57, Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 10:32 Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@...> wrote:
   ... what happens to your trees and any which have been shared with you? I have 4 trees shared with me and I wouldn't want to lose access to them.
...
I don't know the answer but logic says that if you cancel and become a new member, you will *not* retain your user identity - whether visibly or behind the scenes. Otherwise, surely you're not a new member?

That would imply that you didn't retain access to other people's trees because you're not you any more. My logic would even suggest that you don't retain update access to your own tree.

Now, can anyone confirm or deny my logic?



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Adrian Bruce
 


On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 10:32 Paul Reeve <pg.reevegroups@...> wrote:
   ... what happens to your trees and any which have been shared with you? I have 4 trees shared with me and I wouldn't want to lose access to them.
...
I don't know the answer but logic says that if you cancel and become a new member, you will *not* retain your user identity - whether visibly or behind the scenes. Otherwise, surely you're not a new member?

That would imply that you didn't retain access to other people's trees because you're not you any more. My logic would even suggest that you don't retain update access to your own tree.

Now, can anyone confirm or deny my logic?



FH7 and One-name Studies

Sinebeg
 

Sorry, hit Send too soon.

If you give each person in a family the identifier, then you can use it to select the family, for example, in an export.

Jay

_______________

Of course, Robert

I might suggest that you give each family some sort of identifier - I used the Group/Caste Membership attribute

Jay

On 10/02/21 20:19, Robert via groups.io wrote:
I am looking into doing a one-name study, and was wondering whether FH7 could be used for this purpose. Has anyone any idea or experience of this? I have been directed to the Custodian software, but don’t see the point if FH7 can do the same job.

Robert

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Re: FH7 and One-name Studies

Sinebeg
 

Of course, Robert

I might suggest that you give each family some sort of identifier - I used the Group/Caste Membership attribute

Jay

On 10/02/21 20:19, Robert via groups.io wrote:
I am looking into doing a one-name study, and was wondering whether FH7 could be used for this purpose. Has anyone any idea or experience of this? I have been directed to the Custodian software, but don’t see the point if FH7 can do the same job.

Robert

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Paul Reeve
 

Our local library doesn't subscribe to FMP, but I've been using the ancestry library edition a bit recently.
I've just had an email from Ancestry as my subscription is due to renew on 2nd March, so this looks very useful. If you cancel your membership and then rejoin, are you automatically a guest member once you cancel, and what happens to your trees and any which have been shared with you? I have 4 trees shared with me and I wouldn't want to lose access to them.

Thanks

Paul


Re: Prison record

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

It’s a very simple fact definition. (I won’t attach a screenshot as that will go into moderation).

 

Name and Label both Court Appearance

Normal Tim Frame: Live

No witness roles

Sentence: {individual} appeared in court {date} {place} {age}

 

Fields required: Date, Place, Note, Age

 

I don’t use Address so haven’t included that, and frankly I’m not convinced the address of the court is relevant.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hanson
Sent: 10 February 2021 09:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

Thanks – however this one isn’t that easy
No record of a court case that I can find in the papers (Battersea area of London is very poorly covered)
All I have is the Crime Report from the TNA CRIM9 -
Central Criminal Court: After Trial Calendars Of Prisoners on FindMyPast
These record the crime (no dates) the sentence (in his case 12 and 7 years to run concurrently)
He was in Brixton prison in 1911 and I suspect when 1921 comes out he will probably be in Dartmoor
Suddenly realised that it will be in the oldbaileyonline - https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-60-19110425&div=t19110425-60#highlight

Second wife divorces him in 1915
In 1935 he marries for the third time and finally dies in 197

So I suppose a source of the CRIM record and can link that to his 1911 census and also a court appearance (any chance of a copy of the fact from you?)
Regards

John

 


Re: FH7 and One-name Studies

Trevor Rix
 

Robert, If you choose to keep your one-name research in the same FH project as your own family, you can identify the separate one-name families by using the Search For Orphans query. That will identify the separate families as Pools.


Re: Prison record

John Hanson
 

Thanks – however this one isn’t that easy
No record of a court case that I can find in the papers (Battersea area of London is very poorly covered)
All I have is the Crime Report from the TNA CRIM9 -
Central Criminal Court: After Trial Calendars Of Prisoners on FindMyPast
These record the crime (no dates) the sentence (in his case 12 and 7 years to run concurrently)
He was in Brixton prison in 1911 and I suspect when 1921 comes out he will probably be in Dartmoor
Suddenly realised that it will be in the oldbaileyonline - https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def1-60-19110425&div=t19110425-60#highlight

Second wife divorces him in 1915
In 1935 he marries for the third time and finally dies in 197

So I suppose a source of the CRIM record and can link that to his 1911 census and also a court appearance (any chance of a copy of the fact from you?)
Regards

John

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 10 February 2021 08:48
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Prison record

 

I have a custom fact for Court Appearance, with the details recorded in the note, e.g.

 

He was found guilty of wounding during a scuffle while drunk and sentenced to 9 calendar months Hard Labour. His son Henry Richard Roberts (10 years old at the time) gave evidence in his defence.”

 

I record time in prison as a Residence event, with approx. dates if I don’t have exact dates.

 

 

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hanson
Sent: 10 February 2021 08:40
To:
family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Prison record

 

Family history of course is about all records not jus the good ones
I have a 3th cousin three times removed (part of my personal one-name study that does back to a single progenitor in 1670) who was a naught boy in 1911 (have carnal knowledge as the prison record says)

I have the crime record sheet from FMP and having scoured FHUG and this list can’t find a way to record it

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