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Re: Marrying Cousins

Robert Newberry
 

Many thanks for your comments. I will have another look at it as I've slept overnight!
Best wishes.
Bob


On 30 Jan 2021, at 10:49, Julia Vokes <julia.vokes7@...> wrote:

I would wholeheartedly endorse Jenny’s comments.  I too have siblings marrying siblings, cousins marrying, sometimes across generations- first cousin once removed.  FH copes with it all brilliantly with the diagrams displaying coloured lines showing where the links are connected.  Makes things so much easier to see.  It’s also revealed some relationships that were not initially obvious.

Regards
Julia


On 30 Jan 2021, at 10:00, Jenny Cochrane via groups.io <cochranejenny@...> wrote:


I don't quite understand what you mean by "linking to the shared grandparents". You should only link an individual to their parents. This will automatically link them to the appropriate grandparents. 

If you are trying to put in a separate and additional link, that would explain the duplication. I have several sets of cousins marrying and have never had a problem. FH works fine with just about any kind of relationship!

When you link or add an individual to a family make sure you use the appropriate choice for Link to Existing Individual or a new individual where appropriate.

Best of luck

Jenny


Re: Marrying Cousins

Robert Newberry
 

Thanks so much, I will have a re-look at it.


On 30 Jan 2021, at 10:00, Jenny Cochrane via groups.io <cochranejenny@...> wrote:

I don't quite understand what you mean by "linking to the shared grandparents". You should only link an individual to their parents. This will automatically link them to the appropriate grandparents. 

If you are trying to put in a separate and additional link, that would explain the duplication. I have several sets of cousins marrying and have never had a problem. FH works fine with just about any kind of relationship!

When you link or add an individual to a family make sure you use the appropriate choice for Link to Existing Individual or a new individual where appropriate.

Best of luck

Jenny


Re: Upgrade

Mike Tate
 

For this kind of advice, the FHUG Knowledge Base is a mine of information.

See ‘Upgrading to Family Historian 7’:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/upgrading-to-family-historian-7/

 

Check out the ‘What’s New in Family Historian7?’ both online and in the FH V7 Help pages, which also has ‘Notes on Upgrading to Version 7’.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of truffle@...
Sent: 29 January 2021 17:12
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Upgrade

 

I have been following all the posts in this group and seeing a number of problems with the change to FH7, which I have already downloaded! I have been waiting until things settle down but I now wonder whether there is an "Idiots Guide" to changing to FH7 which will cover the main problems? Thank you, Jeremy Hills


Re: Marrying Cousins

Mike Tate
 

Hi Bob,

If you think about it, when cousins marry, they have joined two branches of the same family tree.

So the FH Diagram reflects that by showing both branches.

Presumably, you are getting coloured ribbons linking the people who exist in both branches?

 

I’m not sure what you mean by linking to the shared grandparents.

You need to select one cousin, and when adding their spouse, select the other existing cousin.

The grandparents should not be involved in the process, but will become common shared ancestors.

 

How the Diagram is displayed depends on who you choose as the Starting Person for the root of the Diagram.

Sometimes only one branch is displayed initially, but if both are shown then one can easily be hidden.

Also, there are options to adjust the coloured ribbons. See Diagram > Options > General tab Check for duplicates & Options button.

 

It is difficult to give precise advice without seeing your Diagram.

Unfortunately, screenshots in this Email forum must be reviewed manually by administrators, so may take some time to get through.

The FHUG Forum https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/ is much faster.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of bob.newberry via groups.io
Sent: 29 January 2021 16:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Marrying Cousins

 

My first post! Hi everyone.
My Family Historian 7 seems to be having a problem coping with first cousins marrying. As soon as I try and link to the shared grandparents, it keeps giving me two duplicated lines of descent. I have a James Edmonds marrying an Ethel Parker. James Edmonds mother was Elizabeth Burr. Ethel parkers mother was Emma Burr. The parents of Elizabeth and Emma Burr are one of the same - Jonathon Burr.  i've completly started from scrtach on numerous occasions, but with always the same result. Unfortunately, it really messes up the tree. Hope this makes sense! Any help you can give me would be much appreciated. Many thanks.
Bob N. 


Re: Marrying Cousins

Julia Vokes
 

I would wholeheartedly endorse Jenny’s comments.  I too have siblings marrying siblings, cousins marrying, sometimes across generations- first cousin once removed.  FH copes with it all brilliantly with the diagrams displaying coloured lines showing where the links are connected.  Makes things so much easier to see.  It’s also revealed some relationships that were not initially obvious.

Regards
Julia


On 30 Jan 2021, at 10:00, Jenny Cochrane via groups.io <cochranejenny@...> wrote:


I don't quite understand what you mean by "linking to the shared grandparents". You should only link an individual to their parents. This will automatically link them to the appropriate grandparents. 

If you are trying to put in a separate and additional link, that would explain the duplication. I have several sets of cousins marrying and have never had a problem. FH works fine with just about any kind of relationship!

When you link or add an individual to a family make sure you use the appropriate choice for Link to Existing Individual or a new individual where appropriate.

Best of luck

Jenny


Re: Marrying Cousins

John Hanson
 

Bob
If you mean in diagrams it is just showing you that the person appears in two trees
No way to stop it (unless something sneaked into FH7 that I am yet to find!) but there has been many discussions over the years on how to reduce the impact of the ribbons

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of bob.newberry via groups.io
Sent: 29 January 2021 16:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Marrying Cousins

 

My first post! Hi everyone.
My Family Historian 7 seems to be having a problem coping with first cousins marrying. As soon as I try and link to the shared grandparents, it keeps giving me two duplicated lines of descent. I have a James Edmonds marrying an Ethel Parker. James Edmonds mother was Elizabeth Burr. Ethel parkers mother was Emma Burr. The parents of Elizabeth and Emma Burr are one of the same - Jonathon Burr.  i've completly started from scrtach on numerous occasions, but with always the same result. Unfortunately, it really messes up the tree. Hope this makes sense! Any help you can give me would be much appreciated. Many thanks.
Bob N. 


Re: Marrying Cousins

Jenny Cochrane
 

I don't quite understand what you mean by "linking to the shared grandparents". You should only link an individual to their parents. This will automatically link them to the appropriate grandparents. 

If you are trying to put in a separate and additional link, that would explain the duplication. I have several sets of cousins marrying and have never had a problem. FH works fine with just about any kind of relationship!

When you link or add an individual to a family make sure you use the appropriate choice for Link to Existing Individual or a new individual where appropriate.

Best of luck

Jenny


Upgrade

Jeremy Hills
 

I have been following all the posts in this group and seeing a number of problems with the change to FH7, which I have already downloaded! I have been waiting until things settle down but I now wonder whether there is an "Idiots Guide" to changing to FH7 which will cover the main problems? Thank you, Jeremy Hills


Marrying Cousins

Robert Newberry
 

My first post! Hi everyone.
My Family Historian 7 seems to be having a problem coping with first cousins marrying. As soon as I try and link to the shared grandparents, it keeps giving me two duplicated lines of descent. I have a James Edmonds marrying an Ethel Parker. James Edmonds mother was Elizabeth Burr. Ethel parkers mother was Emma Burr. The parents of Elizabeth and Emma Burr are one of the same - Jonathon Burr.  i've completly started from scrtach on numerous occasions, but with always the same result. Unfortunately, it really messes up the tree. Hope this makes sense! Any help you can give me would be much appreciated. Many thanks.
Bob N. 


Re: Does FH7 Do a Direct Import fro RM6?

Leslie P
 

To import from RM to FH, you'll need to export from RM to GEDCOM, and then do a GEDCOM import in FH. No direct import capability. The good news is that if you make sure to include the RM specific stuff in your GEDCOM export, FH can handle it. Some of it will come into FH perfectly well, other stuff will come in to FH and be undefined, but it's THERE and you can help FH define it or move the info to the place you want it. There's not much data loss.

For me, I have RM7 and have chosen over time to NOT use very many of the RM specific features, so there's really nothing lost that I've found so far.

The best thing to do is just try it - create an "everything" GEDCOM in RM, import it into a new project in FH, and then see how it came over.


Re: Does FH7 Do a Direct Import fro RM6?

David Hodgson-Brown
 

I don't think so, but I imported a gedcom from Rootsmagic and there are only a few problems, mainly family residences, which the  current version of fh7 doesn't support. Shared facts seem to copy fine so you don't have to do anything to the gedcom before using it


From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> on behalf of Doc Fuddled <Deckie49@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 12:07:53 AM
To: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] Does FH7 Do a Direct Import fro RM6?
 
I have been looking at the trial version of FH7. I don't see any direct import features to import from other genealogy programs. That would be expected from a trial version. So, can anyone tell me if the full FH7 version has direct import capability?
Thanks






Does FH7 Do a Direct Import fro RM6?

Doc Fuddled
 

I have been looking at the trial version of FH7. I don't see any direct import features to import from other genealogy programs. That would be expected from a trial version. So, can anyone tell me if the full FH7 version has direct import capability?
Thanks


Re: Printing charts

Mark R.
 

Thanks so much,  Neil. I'll try it. I appreciate your help. 

Mark

-------- Original message --------
From: "Neil Grantham via groups.io" <neil40@...>
Date: 1/29/21 9:22 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Printing charts

Hi Mark


If you open a standard Diagram, for example a Descendant, from the toolbar, if these are shown, go to Diagrams>Options menu and check all the tabs to change what you want.

To remove Text dates etc. go to the Text Tab and scroll down to find 'Name Only', for Pictures, the Pictures Tab remove any ticks in the ...for these Box Types section.


If you wish this to be temporary, remove the 'Remember Options' tick (in V7 - can't remember if that's the same wording in V6) before you click OK.

If you forget, all Diagrams will have no dates or pictures until you reverse the above.


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: oriolesbball@...
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Friday, 29 Jan, 2021 At 14:06
Subject: [family-historian] Printing charts

Hi. I'm new to the Group.

I would like to print diagrams for a family member. However, I do not want to print diagrams with any information such as dates or photographs of family members. I only want to print diagrams with names. Can you help me set up so that I can print.

Thanks so much in advance for your assistance.

Mark

--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Re: 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

Mark R.
 

Thanks so much. I'll give it a try, but I have version 6. 

-------- Original message --------
From: "Lorna Craig via groups.io" <l.m.craig@...>
Date: 1/29/21 9:28 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

Gareth, did you try the chart called Ancestors - Left-to-Right which I mentioned in my reply? 

In V7 you can find it under Charts>More Diagrams (or View>Charts>More Diagrams).  In earlier versions I think it would probably have been under View>Charts.  If it wasn’t in earlier versions you can create it yourself starting with an Ancestor diagram and choosing the orientation in Diagram Options>General tab.

You can choose the number of generations in the Diagram options>General tab, and you can remove the pictures using Diagram Options>Pictures tab.    You could also remove the box frames if you want to, using Diagram options>Boxes>Presets>No Box, but in a crowded diagram they do help to keep things clearer.

The new V7 chart called Pedigree Chart is a bit different, it enables you to spread the chart over several continuation pages (with an arrow on each page indicating the number of the page it links to), for printing on A4 paper.

Lorna

 

From: Gareth Howell
Sent: 29 January 2021 13:15
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

 

Thanks, Mike
I have another look - I couldn't get the pedigree chart anywhere near that density, or drop things like pictures and boxes.
 

 


Re: 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

Lorna Craig
 

Gareth, did you try the chart called Ancestors - Left-to-Right which I mentioned in my reply? 

In V7 you can find it under Charts>More Diagrams (or View>Charts>More Diagrams).  In earlier versions I think it would probably have been under View>Charts.  If it wasn’t in earlier versions you can create it yourself starting with an Ancestor diagram and choosing the orientation in Diagram Options>General tab.

You can choose the number of generations in the Diagram options>General tab, and you can remove the pictures using Diagram Options>Pictures tab.    You could also remove the box frames if you want to, using Diagram options>Boxes>Presets>No Box, but in a crowded diagram they do help to keep things clearer.

The new V7 chart called Pedigree Chart is a bit different, it enables you to spread the chart over several continuation pages (with an arrow on each page indicating the number of the page it links to), for printing on A4 paper.

Lorna

 

From: Gareth Howell
Sent: 29 January 2021 13:15
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

 

Thanks, Mike
I have another look - I couldn't get the pedigree chart anywhere near that density, or drop things like pictures and boxes.
 

 


Re: Printing charts

Neil Grantham
 

Hi Mark


If you open a standard Diagram, for example a Descendant, from the toolbar, if these are shown, go to Diagrams>Options menu and check all the tabs to change what you want.

To remove Text dates etc. go to the Text Tab and scroll down to find 'Name Only', for Pictures, the Pictures Tab remove any ticks in the ...for these Box Types section.


If you wish this to be temporary, remove the 'Remember Options' tick (in V7 - can't remember if that's the same wording in V6) before you click OK.

If you forget, all Diagrams will have no dates or pictures until you reverse the above.


Best Wishes


Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: oriolesbball@...
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Friday, 29 Jan, 2021 At 14:06
Subject: [family-historian] Printing charts

Hi. I'm new to the Group.

I would like to print diagrams for a family member. However, I do not want to print diagrams with any information such as dates or photographs of family members. I only want to print diagrams with names. Can you help me set up so that I can print.

Thanks so much in advance for your assistance.

Mark

--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.


Printing charts

Mark R.
 

Hi. I'm new to the Group. 

I would like to print diagrams for a family member. However,  I do not want to print diagrams with any information such as dates or photographs of family members. I only want to print diagrams with names. Can you help me set up so that I can print.

Thanks so much in advance for your assistance.  

Mark


Re: 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

Gareth Howell
 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 02:56 PM, Neil Grantham wrote:
I'm intrigued though. The PDF says it's a 12 generation but shows 9?!

Best Wishes

 

Neil.





------ Original Message ------
From: "Mike Tate" <post@...>
To: family-historian@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 27 Jan, 2021 At 14:55
Subject: Re: [family-historian] 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

Yes, you can get something similar using Chart > Pedigree Chart… with appropriate options if you have a large enough page.

 

A standard Ancestor Diagram with Right-left orientation is also quite similar.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Gareth Howell
Sent: 27 January 2021 14:11
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

 

I recently came across one of these in my mother's archives:

Would it be possible to create such a chart in FH7?

--
====

Gareth
FH 7.0
Researching HOWELL (England & Wales), DUNN (England), STILTS/STILTZ (England & Germany), FICKINGER (England & Germany)

 


--
Neil Grantham
-------------------
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.
The other three are on the other side.
 
--
====

Gareth
FH 7.0
Researching HOWELL (England & Wales), DUNN (England), STILTS/STILTZ (England & Germany), FICKINGER (England & Germany)


Re: 12 Generation Pedigree Chart

Gareth Howell
 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 02:55 PM, Mike Tate wrote:

Yes, you can get something similar using Chart > Pedigree Chart… with appropriate options if you have a large enough page.

 

A standard Ancestor Diagram with Right-left orientation is also quite similar.

 

 
Thanks, Mike
I have another look - I couldn't get the pedigree chart anywhere near that density, or drop things like pictures and boxes.
 
--
====

Gareth
FH 7.0
Researching HOWELL (England & Wales), DUNN (England), STILTS/STILTZ (England & Germany), FICKINGER (England & Germany)


Re: Source Template

waltonnz
 

t's ok, I found my error. I wasn't syncing the template with the source record. My Who field has now appeared.
Patricia

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 22:11, waltonnz via groups.io <walton.patricia=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
In vs 6 I had a source - Family Member -  and in the field "Where within" I would type something like Father James Dean. I'm now trying to venture into Source Templates and want to create as above. I've created a source Family Member in a collection called - My Templates. Now I want to create a field "Who"  to take the place of the "Where Within" field in the old Generic template. I've created the field, but when I try to use the template, the field "Who" isn't visible. Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong please? 
Patricia

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