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New user place/address advice

michael fike
 

Looking for advice.  New user with FH … coming from Rootsmagic.

Place and address setup (columns).  I haven’t decided on how to use each.  I am going through examples in my tree and see how they work with FH.


I have the following location …

St. Michael Church, 8237 South Shore Drive, Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States.


If I lump the location only in Place or Address, I will need 6 columns. Name, street&number, city, county, state, and country.  Correct?


If I split between place and address I would have 2 columns for address, and 4 columns for place.  Correct?

               Place:  Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States

               Address:  St. Michael Church, 8237 South Shore Drive


What if I have just the street & address (no name)?  IE:  1234 Water St., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States.  I would still need a leading entry ( , ) for name correct?


The entry would look like …

               ,1234 Water St., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States

Do I have a correct understanding?


Lastly … I do have ancestors in Wales which I have not researched yet.  For proper locations in the UK (Wales) how many columns would I need for place if I put ALL the information in place?

How many columns in place and address if I split the location?


Any advice would be appreciated.


michael


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

Jan Murphy
 

I highly recommend using the 'reverse order' trick posted by John Hanson, suggested by Simon Orde, while cleaning up place names.

I recommend NOT putting street addresses into place names.  (I am currently getting ready for a project to find people in the 1950 census by browsing, and am investigating other solutions for keeping track of street-level data.)

I recommend either standardizing the place on a modern place for ease in geo-mapping, while keeping the name of the place as it appears in the record in research notes, or standardizing on a specific gazetteer. E.g. for Germany, FamilySearch uses Meyers' gazetteer as its standard. If I find a place in the online Meyers Gaz https://www.meyersgaz.org/ I copy and paste the location as it appears there so FH will match what Meyers' Gaz has. 

The one thing I haven't settled on for my Do-Over is whether or not to include UK registration districts as part of the place name for my (mostly) English places.  The advantage would be that it helps to differentiate Kingsbridge RD from a GRO registration from Kingsbridge the place.The US has town, county, state, country and having four jurisdictions there, it seems sensible to have the town/parish, reg district, county, country in four parts too. 

Jan Murphy
Moderator Pro Tempore



On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 10:12 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

It is important to decide how you will format foreign country Place names now. They can’t wait a while.

You are familiar with UK place names and so it is the foreign ones that cause the issues.

If those foreign countries need an extra column, then you will have to revisit all the UK place names.

It may be a simple change using an appropriate plugin, but why add that extra hassle?

 

Mike


Re: GRO

John Hanson
 

All the commercial websites use the same database provided by the GRO from entries from 1984 onwards

It was updated yearly until 2005 when they stopped providing the updates

 

The new GRO website has the data post 2005 however it is missing some of the information on both births and deaths and of course marriages are not included

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 24 January 2021 21:33
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GRO

 

Brian

I haven't checked Ancestry yet but thanks for letting me know

We just need the GRO plug in to reflect this

Victor

On 24/01/2021 9:05 pm, Brian Horridge via groups.io wrote:

Victor
After that date the GRO started quoting the month of registration and this can be seen on Ancestry searches.
Brian
Sent via BT Email App



From: Victor Markham via groups.io <victor@...>
Sent: 24 January 2021 20:50:19 GMT+00:00
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GRO

I guessed that what is needed is for the plugin to reflect this so we can just mention the year

On 24 Jan 2021, at 20:39, Chris King <christournayking@...> wrote:

Hi Victor, 

 

The GRO stopped using quarter's at that time. FreeBMD is only reflecting the change. 

 

Regards, 

Chris 

Sent from my Huawei phone



-------- Original message --------
From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 17:57
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] GRO

I have used the GRO plugin quite a lot

It is great but on FreeBMD after 1983 it doesn't list the quarters.

Is there an option on GRO just to show the year he event took place

As things are I always end up with the first quarter. Is there a way of
leaving this blank i.e. not showing a quarter

Victor






Re: GRO

Victor Markham
 

Brian

I haven't checked Ancestry yet but thanks for letting me know

We just need the GRO plug in to reflect this

Victor

On 24/01/2021 9:05 pm, Brian Horridge via groups.io wrote:

Victor
After that date the GRO started quoting the month of registration and this can be seen on Ancestry searches.
Brian
Sent via BT Email App



From: Victor Markham via groups.io <victor@...>
Sent: 24 January 2021 20:50:19 GMT+00:00
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GRO

I guessed that what is needed is for the plugin to reflect this so we can just mention the year

On 24 Jan 2021, at 20:39, Chris King <christournayking@...> wrote:
Hi Victor, 

The GRO stopped using quarter's at that time. FreeBMD is only reflecting the change. 

Regards, 
Chris 

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 17:57
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] GRO
I have used the GRO plugin quite a lot

It is great but on FreeBMD after 1983 it doesn't list the quarters.

Is there an option on GRO just to show the year he event took place

As things are I always end up with the first quarter. Is there a way of
leaving this blank i.e. not showing a quarter

Victor







Re: GRO

Brian Horridge
 

Victor
After that date the GRO started quoting the month of registration and this can be seen on Ancestry searches.
Brian
Sent via BT Email App



From: Victor Markham via groups.io <victor@...>
Sent: 24 January 2021 20:50:19 GMT+00:00
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GRO

I guessed that what is needed is for the plugin to reflect this so we can just mention the year

On 24 Jan 2021, at 20:39, Chris King <christournayking@...> wrote:
Hi Victor, 

The GRO stopped using quarter's at that time. FreeBMD is only reflecting the change. 

Regards, 
Chris 

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 17:57
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] GRO
I have used the GRO plugin quite a lot

It is great but on FreeBMD after 1983 it doesn't list the quarters.

Is there an option on GRO just to show the year he event took place

As things are I always end up with the first quarter. Is there a way of
leaving this blank i.e. not showing a quarter

Victor







Re: GRO

Mike Tate
 

Exactly which plugin are you talking about? What is its full Title, Author, Version & Date?

There are two similar plugins in the Plugin Store but neither has been updated for FH V7.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 24 January 2021 20:50
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GRO

 

I guessed that what is needed is for the plugin to reflect this so we can just mention the year

On 24 Jan 2021, at 20:39, Chris King <christournayking@...> wrote:

Hi Victor, 

 

The GRO stopped using quarter's at that time. FreeBMD is only reflecting the change. 

 

Regards, 

Chris 

Sent from my Huawei phone



-------- Original message --------
From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 17:57
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] GRO

I have used the GRO plugin quite a lot

It is great but on FreeBMD after 1983 it doesn't list the quarters.

Is there an option on GRO just to show the year he event took place

As things are I always end up with the first quarter. Is there a way of
leaving this blank i.e. not showing a quarter

Victor






Re: GRO

Victor Markham
 

I guessed that what is needed is for the plugin to reflect this so we can just mention the year

On 24 Jan 2021, at 20:39, Chris King <christournayking@...> wrote:
Hi Victor, 

The GRO stopped using quarter's at that time. FreeBMD is only reflecting the change. 

Regards, 
Chris 

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 17:57
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] GRO
I have used the GRO plugin quite a lot

It is great but on FreeBMD after 1983 it doesn't list the quarters.

Is there an option on GRO just to show the year he event took place

As things are I always end up with the first quarter. Is there a way of
leaving this blank i.e. not showing a quarter

Victor







Re: GRO

Chris King
 

Hi Victor, 

The GRO stopped using quarter's at that time. FreeBMD is only reflecting the change. 

Regards, 
Chris 

Sent from my Huawei phone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Victor Markham via groups.io" <victor@...>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021, 17:57
To: Family History <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] GRO
I have used the GRO plugin quite a lot

It is great but on FreeBMD after 1983 it doesn't list the quarters.

Is there an option on GRO just to show the year he event took place

As things are I always end up with the first quarter. Is there a way of
leaving this blank i.e. not showing a quarter

Victor







Re: family group sheets

Mike Tate
 

It is a bug that needs reporting to Calico Pie via http://www.calico-pie.com/osticket/open.php
I have the same symptoms that are due to various subsidiary fields added to a Fact.
In the case of the Death event it is due to the Cause field.
Actually, any fact can have a Cause field and has the same effect.
The problem also affects Individual Summary Reports.

Mike Tate

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Stella Phillips
Sent: 24 January 2021 19:40
To: Family Historian group <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] family group sheets

I am having a problem trying to solve a puzzle with familty group sheets. I don't remember what my options were with version 6, but
I know that with deaths of individuals, what I got looked like this:
Death 29 Dec 1879 (age 75) Brompton, Kensington, Middlesex
Cause: heart disease
Address: 10 Knaresborough Road, Brompton, Kensington, Middlesex

What I get now - the first linie is the same, but the second is as follows

Cause: heart disease. Address 10 Knaresborough Road, Brompton, Kensington, Middlesex. 10 Knaresborough Road, Brompton,
Kensington, Middlesex


The settings I'm using are
Family members main list - cause of death Hide [ I don't where it comes in the body of the report. I've tried shifting the
position, but it didn't work]

Family members Events / Attributes List
Death

Additional information for events/ attributes Addresses ticked. Display on next line

It appears to be working properly for censuses, births & baptisms, just not for deaths


I'd appreciate any suggestions!
Stella Phillips


family group sheets

Stella Phillips
 

I am having a problem trying to solve a puzzle with familty group sheets. I don't remember what my options were with version 6, but I know that with deaths of individuals, what I got looked like this:
Death 29 Dec 1879 (age 75) Brompton, Kensington, Middlesex
Cause: heart disease
Address: 10 Knaresborough Road, Brompton, Kensington, Middlesex

What I get now - the first linie is the same, but the second is as follows

Cause: heart disease. Address 10 Knaresborough Road, Brompton, Kensington, Middlesex. 10 Knaresborough Road, Brompton, Kensington, Middlesex


The settings I'm using are
Family members main list - cause of death Hide [ I don't where it comes in the body of the report. I've tried shifting the position, but it didn't work]

Family members Events / Attributes List
Death

Additional information for events/ attributes
Addresses ticked. Display on next line

It appears to be working properly for censuses, births & baptisms, just not for deaths


I'd appreciate any suggestions!
Stella Phillips


Re: New prospective user

michael fike
 

Thanks for the input.  I have several citations that are bad from the time I migrated from TMG to RM that needs fixing.  With RM8 now able to merge citations, I can merge them, fix all in one fell swoop, and import to FH.

Those are the only RM fixes I am planning right now.  Soooo much to learn before I make any other decisions.

Right now I am evaluating lumping vs splitting (  again! :-)  ).  With AS and plugins, I am rethinking strategy.

So, I am entering data in a throw away project ( real work in RM7 ) until I understand more about everything.


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

Mike Tate
 

It is important to decide how you will format foreign country Place names now. They can’t wait a while.

You are familiar with UK place names and so it is the foreign ones that cause the issues.

If those foreign countries need an extra column, then you will have to revisit all the UK place names.

It may be a simple change using an appropriate plugin, but why add that extra hassle?

 

Mike


GRO

Victor Markham
 

I have used the GRO plugin quite a lot

It is great but on FreeBMD after 1983 it doesn't list the quarters.

Is there an option on GRO just to show the year he event took place

As things are I always end up with the first quarter. Is there a way of leaving this blank i.e. not showing a quarter

Victor


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

UK kris
 

Brilliant Mike,

 

Also thanks to everyone for their advice.

 

I will do as you say, Mike, and take it a step at a time.  Country first, starting with England, then Scotland, Wales and Ireland. 

If it’s ok with you I’ll check back when the UK is done, or if I find a load of Counties missing their Country.

The foreign countries can wait a while. 

 

Once again, thanks for your patience.

 

Kristeen

 


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

Andrew Braid
 

A further advantage of the reverse display is that you don't have to worry about how many levels there are in a place. Of course you must be consistent in the parish, town, county, country order.

It should help in spotting gaps but I have never used in this way.

Andrew Braid


On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 15:05 John Hanson <john.hanson@...> wrote:

One trick that Simon himself showed me a few months ago when talking about this issue was to use the “reverse display order” box at the bottom of the list of button

 

This sort the screen in the reverse order and easier to see instantly where the countries are missing

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 24 January 2021 13:45
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

 

No, as advised by Adrian, don’t add Addresses to Places yet.

 

First, add the Country to all Places where that is missing.

Use the Tools > Work with Data > Places… dialogue.

That has columns headed Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, etc, so if necessary use the Columns… button to increase that to at least 4 columns.

Your objective is to ensure Part 1 holds the Parish, Part 2 holds the City, Part 3 holds the County and Part 4 holds the Country.

 

If you have a significant number of foreign, particularly USA place names that also needs a State, then that column alignment may need revising.

e.g. Parish, City, County, State, Country where in the UK you can use …, Norfolk, England, UK and in USA use …, Washington County, Alabama, USA

That will need 5 columns.

 

Select any Place name that needs adjusting and click Edit… and then Edit… again in the popup dialogue.

Edit Place Name until it has all the columns needed leaving a blank space between commas where necessary.

 

Eventually the Tools > Work with Data > Places… place list should have each column Part filled in or blank.

Click on each Part column header in turn so that it is sorted alphabetically.

So if you click on the column header holding Country then they should be listed in order.

 

If you feel you have far too many Place names to edit by hand then we may need to use the ‘Search and Replace’ plugin.

e.g. If you have a great many places in Norfolk without England then that plugin could convert them all in one go.

 

When all your Place names have been tidied then we can move on to Address fields.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of UK kris
Sent: 24 January 2021 12:43
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

 

Ok Mike, got that message loud and clear. :)

 

Can I have your opinion on my going into every entry and adding the address to the place ensuring I have the correct number of columns and/or commas, irrespective of how many hours it may take me?

 

Kristeen. 

 

Kristeen Simpkin


On 24 Jan 2021, at 8:17 pm, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:



DO NOT USE the ‘Find and Replace’ command to modify Place fields. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

I have lost count of how many time I have given that warning.

Don’t come asking me to fix the resulting multiple Place records.

Mike Tate


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

John Hanson
 

One trick that Simon himself showed me a few months ago when talking about this issue was to use the “reverse display order” box at the bottom of the list of button

 

This sort the screen in the reverse order and easier to see instantly where the countries are missing

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 24 January 2021 13:45
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

 

No, as advised by Adrian, don’t add Addresses to Places yet.

 

First, add the Country to all Places where that is missing.

Use the Tools > Work with Data > Places… dialogue.

That has columns headed Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, etc, so if necessary use the Columns… button to increase that to at least 4 columns.

Your objective is to ensure Part 1 holds the Parish, Part 2 holds the City, Part 3 holds the County and Part 4 holds the Country.

 

If you have a significant number of foreign, particularly USA place names that also needs a State, then that column alignment may need revising.

e.g. Parish, City, County, State, Country where in the UK you can use …, Norfolk, England, UK and in USA use …, Washington County, Alabama, USA

That will need 5 columns.

 

Select any Place name that needs adjusting and click Edit… and then Edit… again in the popup dialogue.

Edit Place Name until it has all the columns needed leaving a blank space between commas where necessary.

 

Eventually the Tools > Work with Data > Places… place list should have each column Part filled in or blank.

Click on each Part column header in turn so that it is sorted alphabetically.

So if you click on the column header holding Country then they should be listed in order.

 

If you feel you have far too many Place names to edit by hand then we may need to use the ‘Search and Replace’ plugin.

e.g. If you have a great many places in Norfolk without England then that plugin could convert them all in one go.

 

When all your Place names have been tidied then we can move on to Address fields.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of UK kris
Sent: 24 January 2021 12:43
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

 

Ok Mike, got that message loud and clear. :)

 

Can I have your opinion on my going into every entry and adding the address to the place ensuring I have the correct number of columns and/or commas, irrespective of how many hours it may take me?

 

Kristeen. 

 

Kristeen Simpkin


On 24 Jan 2021, at 8:17 pm, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:



DO NOT USE the ‘Find and Replace’ command to modify Place fields. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

I have lost count of how many time I have given that warning.

Don’t come asking me to fix the resulting multiple Place records.

Mike Tate


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

Mike Tate
 

No, as advised by Adrian, don’t add Addresses to Places yet.

 

First, add the Country to all Places where that is missing.

Use the Tools > Work with Data > Places… dialogue.

That has columns headed Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, etc, so if necessary use the Columns… button to increase that to at least 4 columns.

Your objective is to ensure Part 1 holds the Parish, Part 2 holds the City, Part 3 holds the County and Part 4 holds the Country.

 

If you have a significant number of foreign, particularly USA place names that also needs a State, then that column alignment may need revising.

e.g. Parish, City, County, State, Country where in the UK you can use …, Norfolk, England, UK and in USA use …, Washington County, Alabama, USA

That will need 5 columns.

 

Select any Place name that needs adjusting and click Edit… and then Edit… again in the popup dialogue.

Edit Place Name until it has all the columns needed leaving a blank space between commas where necessary.

 

Eventually the Tools > Work with Data > Places… place list should have each column Part filled in or blank.

Click on each Part column header in turn so that it is sorted alphabetically.

So if you click on the column header holding Country then they should be listed in order.

 

If you feel you have far too many Place names to edit by hand then we may need to use the ‘Search and Replace’ plugin.

e.g. If you have a great many places in Norfolk without England then that plugin could convert them all in one go.

 

When all your Place names have been tidied then we can move on to Address fields.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of UK kris
Sent: 24 January 2021 12:43
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

 

Ok Mike, got that message loud and clear. :)

 

Can I have your opinion on my going into every entry and adding the address to the place ensuring I have the correct number of columns and/or commas, irrespective of how many hours it may take me?

 

Kristeen. 

 

Kristeen Simpkin


On 24 Jan 2021, at 8:17 pm, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:



DO NOT USE the ‘Find and Replace’ command to modify Place fields. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

I have lost count of how many time I have given that warning.

Don’t come asking me to fix the resulting multiple Place records.

Mike Tate


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

Lorna Craig
 

Kristeen,

I'm in agreement with Adrian on this.

The first step is to tidy up the Place records by making sure they all have a country included, and that they all have the same number of comma separated parts, so that the country is always in the same (last) column.  It doesn't matter if some places have some blank parts - just insert the right number of commas.  You will need to do that manually.

The second step is to tidy up the Addresses (Use Tools>Work with Data>Addresses) so they also follow a regular pattern.

Then, and only then, you need to consider whether you want to add all the addresses into Place records.  This will mean you end up with a huge number of Place records, but some people prefer to work that way.  That stage can probably be automated if you want to do it, but you don't need to decide that until after you have tidied up the existing Places and Addresses.

Lorna

On 24/01/2021 12:43, UK kris wrote:
Ok Mike, got that message loud and clear. :)

Can I have your opinion on my going into every entry and adding the address to the place ensuring I have the correct number of columns and/or commas, irrespective of how many hours it may take me?

Kristeen.

Kristeen Simpkin


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

UK kris
 

Ok Mike, got that message loud and clear. :)

Can I have your opinion on my going into every entry and adding the address to the place ensuring I have the correct number of columns and/or commas, irrespective of how many hours it may take me?

Kristeen. 

Kristeen Simpkin

On 24 Jan 2021, at 8:17 pm, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:



DO NOT USE the ‘Find and Replace’ command to modify Place fields. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

I have lost count of how many time I have given that warning.

Don’t come asking me to fix the resulting multiple Place records.

Mike Tate


Re: Reassign Addresses to Place Names plugin.

Mike Tate
 

DO NOT USE the ‘Find and Replace’ command to modify Place fields. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

I have lost count of how many time I have given that warning.

Don’t come asking me to fix the resulting multiple Place records.

Mike Tate

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