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Re: Problem with Sources

waltonnz
 

Thank you so much. Your advice is appreciated as always.
Patricia

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 02:38, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Patricia, have you read the "Notes on Upgrading to Version 7"?

Those concerns ONLY apply to SOURCE record customised tabs, because the Source Citation features in FH v7.0 have significantly changed.

All other Property Box custom tabs are not a problem.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 21 January 2021 12:54
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

Thank you Mike, your help is much appreciated. I now have the confidence to give it a go. 

 

It was the information below from a member in an email 10 Dec that put me off - the bit about settings being lost.

Patricia

 

"Most of my customizations to the Record Window, Property Box and Source Box

have disappeared.  I have read the "Notes on Upgrading to Version 7" about
restoring Property Box customizations and I was working my way through them
until I reached items marked 1, 2, & 3 which, after telling me what could be
done, then strongly recommended that I don't do it because settings will be
lost somewhere else.  I am now completely bemused and confused. "

 

 

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 00:32, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

I don’t understand why somebody would advise against the advice from Calico Pie in their Help pages.

Maybe you are confusing that with some other process.

Anyway, you will not lose any FH v7 features whichever way you recreate the custom Property Box tab.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 21 January 2021 05:37
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

Thank you Mike. I saw an email from a member of this group saying they tried this but were advised against it. I'm not particularly bothered about the missing tab and I can set it up again should I need it, but I am concerned I would lose some of the special feature so vs7 in the process. The other customisations I made to the Property Box have been retained.

Patricia

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 01:48, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Patricia, you can retrieve your customise Property Box tab by following the advice in the FH Help > Family Historian Help > Notes on Upgrading to Version 7 under Important Notes on Restoring Property Box Customizations.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 20 January 2021 12:24
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

So far I haven't found any problems with FH7 except there's a customised tab missing from my Property Box, but that's not really important. 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

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Re: Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

Robert Jordan
 

Mike
 
When I raised the issue with Calico Pie I was simply told to use the External browser facility. It would have been nice if they had said that they were aware of the problem and would be taking steps in due course to make the necessary changes. Unfortunately they did not so one is left with the impression that they do not intend to do anything about it.
 
Robert Jordan

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On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 12:38, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Robert, you are confusing the user browsers with the API that programs must use, as has been mentioned before.

Yes, Microsoft Edge came out 5 years ago, but only recently radically changed to a Chrome based engine.

 

For many, many years Microsoft has only provided a browser API based on the Internet Explorer engine.

So that is what Calico Pie and every other developer have to use and is what every version of FH uses.

 

Microsoft offered the WebView and then WebView2 browser API based on Edge only last year.

So with all the other changes, that was too late for CP to incorporate into the FH v7.0 first release.

 

Just because a product is not supported does not stop it from working.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Jordan
Sent: 21 January 2021 07:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

 

Ian

You are not alone. The advice from Calico Pie is to use the External web browser rather than the web search facility, which makes one wonder why they have put in a facility and then recommend it be not used.

A cursory examination of the Microsoft website seems to suggest that they have for some time been advising Devolopers to switch (Microsoft Edge came out 5 years ago) and Internet Explorer will cease to be supported some time this year., I think in August so who knows what will happen then

 

Robert Jordan

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 07:03, ianpmitchell via groups.io <ianpmitchell=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have switched back to using the FH web browser so that the hints update automatically but every now and then get a big banner to say "Internet Explorer is going to stop working, use Edge".

 

 

 


Re: Problem with Sources

Mike Tate
 

Patricia, have you read the "Notes on Upgrading to Version 7"?

Those concerns ONLY apply to SOURCE record customised tabs, because the Source Citation features in FH v7.0 have significantly changed.

All other Property Box custom tabs are not a problem.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 21 January 2021 12:54
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

Thank you Mike, your help is much appreciated. I now have the confidence to give it a go. 

 

It was the information below from a member in an email 10 Dec that put me off - the bit about settings being lost.

Patricia

 

"Most of my customizations to the Record Window, Property Box and Source Box

have disappeared.  I have read the "Notes on Upgrading to Version 7" about
restoring Property Box customizations and I was working my way through them
until I reached items marked 1, 2, & 3 which, after telling me what could be
done, then strongly recommended that I don't do it because settings will be
lost somewhere else.  I am now completely bemused and confused. "

 

 

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 00:32, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

I don’t understand why somebody would advise against the advice from Calico Pie in their Help pages.

Maybe you are confusing that with some other process.

Anyway, you will not lose any FH v7 features whichever way you recreate the custom Property Box tab.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 21 January 2021 05:37
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

Thank you Mike. I saw an email from a member of this group saying they tried this but were advised against it. I'm not particularly bothered about the missing tab and I can set it up again should I need it, but I am concerned I would lose some of the special feature so vs7 in the process. The other customisations I made to the Property Box have been retained.

Patricia

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 01:48, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Patricia, you can retrieve your customise Property Box tab by following the advice in the FH Help > Family Historian Help > Notes on Upgrading to Version 7 under Important Notes on Restoring Property Box Customizations.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 20 January 2021 12:24
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

So far I haven't found any problems with FH7 except there's a customised tab missing from my Property Box, but that's not really important. 

Patricia

 

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

 

 


Re: Problem with Sources

waltonnz
 

Thank you Mike, your help is much appreciated. I now have the confidence to give it a go. 

It was the information below from a member in an email 10 Dec that put me off - the bit about settings being lost.
Patricia

"Most of my customizations to the Record Window, Property Box and Source Box
have disappeared.  I have read the "Notes on Upgrading to Version 7" about
restoring Property Box customizations and I was working my way through them
until I reached items marked 1, 2, & 3 which, after telling me what could be
done, then strongly recommended that I don't do it because settings will be
lost somewhere else.  I am now completely bemused and confused. "


On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 at 00:32, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

I don’t understand why somebody would advise against the advice from Calico Pie in their Help pages.

Maybe you are confusing that with some other process.

Anyway, you will not lose any FH v7 features whichever way you recreate the custom Property Box tab.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 21 January 2021 05:37
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

Thank you Mike. I saw an email from a member of this group saying they tried this but were advised against it. I'm not particularly bothered about the missing tab and I can set it up again should I need it, but I am concerned I would lose some of the special feature so vs7 in the process. The other customisations I made to the Property Box have been retained.

Patricia

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 01:48, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Patricia, you can retrieve your customise Property Box tab by following the advice in the FH Help > Family Historian Help > Notes on Upgrading to Version 7 under Important Notes on Restoring Property Box Customizations.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 20 January 2021 12:24
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

So far I haven't found any problems with FH7 except there's a customised tab missing from my Property Box, but that's not really important. 

Patricia

 


 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

 

 


Re: Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

Mike Tate
 

Robert, you are confusing the user browsers with the API that programs must use, as has been mentioned before.

Yes, Microsoft Edge came out 5 years ago, but only recently radically changed to a Chrome based engine.

 

For many, many years Microsoft has only provided a browser API based on the Internet Explorer engine.

So that is what Calico Pie and every other developer have to use and is what every version of FH uses.

 

Microsoft offered the WebView and then WebView2 browser API based on Edge only last year.

So with all the other changes, that was too late for CP to incorporate into the FH v7.0 first release.

 

Just because a product is not supported does not stop it from working.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Jordan
Sent: 21 January 2021 07:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

 

Ian

You are not alone. The advice from Calico Pie is to use the External web browser rather than the web search facility, which makes one wonder why they have put in a facility and then recommend it be not used.

A cursory examination of the Microsoft website seems to suggest that they have for some time been advising Devolopers to switch (Microsoft Edge came out 5 years ago) and Internet Explorer will cease to be supported some time this year., I think in August so who knows what will happen then

 

Robert Jordan

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 07:03, ianpmitchell via groups.io <ianpmitchell=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I have switched back to using the FH web browser so that the hints update automatically but every now and then get a big banner to say "Internet Explorer is going to stop working, use Edge".


Re: Problem with Sources

Mike Tate
 

I don’t understand why somebody would advise against the advice from Calico Pie in their Help pages.

Maybe you are confusing that with some other process.

Anyway, you will not lose any FH v7 features whichever way you recreate the custom Property Box tab.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 21 January 2021 05:37
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

Thank you Mike. I saw an email from a member of this group saying they tried this but were advised against it. I'm not particularly bothered about the missing tab and I can set it up again should I need it, but I am concerned I would lose some of the special feature so vs7 in the process. The other customisations I made to the Property Box have been retained.

Patricia

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 01:48, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Patricia, you can retrieve your customise Property Box tab by following the advice in the FH Help > Family Historian Help > Notes on Upgrading to Version 7 under Important Notes on Restoring Property Box Customizations.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 20 January 2021 12:24
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

So far I haven't found any problems with FH7 except there's a customised tab missing from my Property Box, but that's not really important. 

Patricia

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 00:17, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

Correction: you can still see the toolbar, below where you have positioned the Citation window.

 

From: Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 20 January 2021 11:02
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

In your screenshot I can see that you have positioned the floating Citation Window over the bottom of the ‘Sources for’ pane, obscuring the toolbar for that pane.  If you move the citation window you will see the toolbar in the ‘Sources for ‘ pane has a cog wheel icon.  Click this icon and choose Display Citation As.. and then choose Source Record.  You should now see the name of the Source record displayed.

 

Lorna

 

 

 

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Re: Problem with Sources

waltonnz
 

Thank you Mike. I saw an email from a member of this group saying they tried this but were advised against it. I'm not particularly bothered about the missing tab and I can set it up again should I need it, but I am concerned I would lose some of the special feature so vs7 in the process. The other customisations I made to the Property Box have been retained.
Patricia

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 01:48, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Patricia, you can retrieve your customise Property Box tab by following the advice in the FH Help > Family Historian Help > Notes on Upgrading to Version 7 under Important Notes on Restoring Property Box Customizations.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 20 January 2021 12:24
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

So far I haven't found any problems with FH7 except there's a customised tab missing from my Property Box, but that's not really important. 

Patricia

 

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 00:17, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

Correction: you can still see the toolbar, below where you have positioned the Citation window.

 

From: Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 20 January 2021 11:02
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Problem with Sources

 

In your screenshot I can see that you have positioned the floating Citation Window over the bottom of the ‘Sources for’ pane, obscuring the toolbar for that pane.  If you move the citation window you will see the toolbar in the ‘Sources for ‘ pane has a cog wheel icon.  Click this icon and choose Display Citation As.. and then choose Source Record.  You should now see the name of the Source record displayed.

 

Lorna

 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

 

 


Re: Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

Robert Jordan
 

Ian
You are not alone. The advice from Calico Pie is to use the External web browser rather than the web search facility, which makes one wonder why they have put in a facility and then recommend it be not used.
A cursory examination of the Microsoft website seems to suggest that they have for some time been advising Devolopers to switch (Microsoft Edge came out 5 years ago) and Internet Explorer will cease to be supported some time this year., I think in August so who knows what will happen then

Robert Jordan

Virus-free. www.avast.com


On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 at 07:03, ianpmitchell via groups.io <ianpmitchell=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I have switched back to using the FH web browser so that the hints update automatically but every now and then get a big banner to say "Internet Explorer is going to stop working, use Edge".


Re: Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

ianpmitchell@...
 

I have switched back to using the FH web browser so that the hints update automatically but every now and then get a big banner to say "Internet Explorer is going to stop working, use Edge".


Re: Rootsmagic to FH: sources/templates

Leslie P
 

What I'm finding really helpful in analyzing the different ways things show up between RM and FH is to load up the GEDCOM file in my text editor and look at EXACTLY what RM is "saying" and exactly what FH is "reading". It helps a LOT in understanding, and in getting ideas of what I may want to tweak a bit in RM so that it goes over to FH differently.

Sources will always be "freeform" on export/import. What we call Freeform in RM is called, I think "generic" in FH. All of mine still are messed up freeform from when I had beautifully wonderfully complex templated sources in TMG and then converted to RM. Maybe someday I'll fix it all.

Looking at the GEDCOM for your sources will REALLY help a lot in understanding how the pieces fit together.


Re: Rootsmagic to FH: sources/templates

michael fike
 

I have joined the group.  A change like this is not quick step.  I still plan to have RM as my main app for several several months yet until I know good handle on FH.

I hope there will be an update to the FH book to V7 as looking at older versions it should be a good resource.

Thanks for the help.  I will delve into the fhug site.

michael


Re: Rootsmagic to FH: sources/templates

ewade
 

I was a RM user for many years but switched to FH last August.  I still prefer RM's way of matching your relatives to outside sources such as Ancestry and FamilySearch.  
Don't be surprised if your Gedcom from RM does not bring over the multimedia files to FH correctly.  I really like FH.  

Eldon

On Jan 20, 2021 at 4:51 PM, michael fike <postalcae@...> wrote:

I am contemplating a move from RM as my primary tool to FH.  I see a lot that I like.  But no matter how good a program is ... migration is never perfect ... or good.

When I look a the sources that come in, they all seem to be "dumb" or free-form.  All template fields seem to be gone.  And ... there are no source templates.

I assume this is the norm as template formatting is most likely unique from program to program.  But I want to verify.

Lastly, any help from people who have made the jump?  How did you make the migration?  What should I look out for?

Any insight I might need to know will be appreciated.

Thanks all,
michael



Re: Rootsmagic to FH: sources/templates

Mike Tate
 

Michael, your analysis is perfectly correct.

 

There are regular discussions and advice on migrating from RM to FH in the FHUG Forum and Knowledge Base.

They are continuously updated as both products evolve.

I suggest you join https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/ where the ‘Importing and Exporting’ forum is a good starting point.

In the FHUG KB see https://fhug.org.uk/kb/topic/importing-and-exporting/importing/ especially the ‘Importing to Family Historian’ section.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of michael fike
Sent: 20 January 2021 21:52
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Rootsmagic to FH: sources/templates

 

I am contemplating a move from RM as my primary tool to FH.  I see a lot that I like.  But no matter how good a program is ... migration is never perfect ... or good.

When I look a the sources that come in, they all seem to be "dumb" or free-form.  All template fields seem to be gone.  And ... there are no source templates.

I assume this is the norm as template formatting is most likely unique from program to program.  But I want to verify.

Lastly, any help from people who have made the jump?  How did you make the migration?  What should I look out for?

Any insight I might need to know will be appreciated.

Thanks all,
michael


Re: Family Shared Residence

Mike Tate
 

FH v6.2 is compliant with GEDCOM 5.5 which does NOT specify a Family standard Residence fact, so FH v6.2 has no such fact.

Patricia created a Family custom Residence fact for herself, which is perfectly legitimate and has been inherited by FH v7 when she upgraded.

 

FH v7.0 is compliant with GEDCOM 5.5.1 which does specify a Family standard Residence fact, but FH v7.0 has mistakenly omitted that fact.

Users who import GEDCOM from other GEDCOM 5.5.1 products such as RootsMagic notice that Family standard Residence fact is missing.

When the omission is fixed, Patricia can use the Change Any Fact Tag plugin to convert her custom Residence facts to standard Residence facts.

Likewise, RootsMagic migrants can convert their imported _RESI UDF to standard Residence facts.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of waltonnz
Sent: 20 January 2021 20:41
To: Family Historian <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Shared Residence

 

I can be corrected if I'm wrong about this. I've been using FH for a long time but don't have the expertise of some of the other group members. To enter 
Census records I now use Ancestral Sources which records a residence for each member on the census. However, before becoming familiar with AS, I created a shared residence fact and it seemed to work well. I've just installed FH7 and I see my created fact is still there. It has a red dot instead of a blue dot and the format is {date} {couple} resided in {address} {_place}. {note}. I love FH so much as it is so adaptable.

Patricia

 


Rootsmagic to FH: sources/templates

michael fike
 

I am contemplating a move from RM as my primary tool to FH.  I see a lot that I like.  But no matter how good a program is ... migration is never perfect ... or good.

When I look a the sources that come in, they all seem to be "dumb" or free-form.  All template fields seem to be gone.  And ... there are no source templates.

I assume this is the norm as template formatting is most likely unique from program to program.  But I want to verify.

Lastly, any help from people who have made the jump?  How did you make the migration?  What should I look out for?

Any insight I might need to know will be appreciated.

Thanks all,
michael


Re: Family Shared Residence

waltonnz
 

I can be corrected if I'm wrong about this. I've been using FH for a long time but don't have the expertise of some of the other group members. To enter 
Census records I now use Ancestral Sources which records a residence for each member on the census. However, before becoming familiar with AS, I created a shared residence fact and it seemed to work well. I've just installed FH7 and I see my created fact is still there. It has a red dot instead of a blue dot and the format is {date} {couple} resided in {address} {_place}. {note}. I love FH so much as it is so adaptable.
Patricia

On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 at 21:30, David Hodgson-Brown <dave@...> wrote:

Hi

 

I am very new to family historian and can’t find out how to add a shared family residence for husband and wife sourced from a UK census.

 

My other software is RootsMagic and in that I can just add a shared residence.

 

All the data I have imported from RM via GEDCOM has copied over, so I get for example Sources for ‘Marr. (John): Residence*’.  For new residences I try to add it seems to be an individual fact only.

 

What don’t I understand about shared facts?

 

The help doesn’t help much.

 

Regards

 

David Hodgson-Brown

 


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Re: Family Shared Residence

Mike Tate
 

Jackie, if you use both tactics simultaneously it would be better to make the Resident ~ Witness Sentence Template {blank} for the Census Event.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Baker
Sent: 20 January 2021 16:54
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Shared Residence

 

Thanks Mike. I like being able to say resided with.....  but currently have individual facts.  I am aware of problems with transferring witnessed records and can live with that. If I want to use both tactics simultaneously as you mentioned, would I just make the individual event private? But does that work with the Lookup missing facts plugin? Thanks for any advice. I'll play around with it too.

Jackie


Re: Family Shared Residence

Mike Tate
 

Edward, it sounds like you are not using all the tools provided.

 

Once you have added a Census fact for one person in the household along with the Source Citation, use the Copy & Paste Fact buttons to replicate it for every other member of the household, and just adjust the Age entry if you record that. Then you won’t get those ‘finger’ mistakes.

 

Another tactic is to use the free companion program Ancestral Sources that captures the whole Census page and creates all the identical Census facts for you. It offers similar features for most BMD event documents.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Sneithe via groups.io
Sent: 20 January 2021 16:28
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Shared Residence

 

Thank you Mike,

 

That explains it well. Several years ago I played with the idea of putting the census in for every person but I didn't like the prospects of making a possible change to a census fact because I may have to change many individual census facts. With my fingers that may lead to mistakes being made.

 

I'm glad that my approach will continue to work.

 

On Wednesday, January 20, 2021, 11:14:31 AM EST, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi,

You are all discussing much the same concepts but there are a few misunderstandings.

 

In FH a ‘record’ has a very specific meaning that is derived from the GEDCOM specification and may be different from other products.

Every person in your Project database has one Individual ‘record’.

Couples that have a relationship such as Marriage have one Family ‘record’, and that is what the FH quote from Edward is referring to.

 

There are other types of ‘record’ for Source, Media, Places, etc, and have a dedicated tab in the Records Window.

 

What Edward is calling a ‘record’ is actually a ‘fact’ (Event or Attribute).

So when capturing a Census return you typically add a Census Event ‘fact’ to an Individual ‘record’ and cite a Source ‘record’ that may identify a Media ‘record’ with an image of the Census page.

What has also been mentioned is adding a Census (family) Event ‘fact’ to a Family ‘record’ for the couple, but that is not recommended.

 

One tactic is to give every member of the Census household a Census Event ‘fact’ in their Individual ‘record’.

That means every person gets the same treatment for every Census whether they are a child, adult, married, single, or whatever…

In Reports, each Census Event is listed without mention of the other household members.

 

Another tactic is to only give the head of household a Census Event ‘fact’ in their Individual ‘record’.

The other household members have a shared Fact Witness entry that links them to that one Census Event ‘fact’.

In Narrative Reports in particular, it is possible to mention all the members with the head of household.

It is not too repetitive, because those other members are simply mentioned in a list saying they were co-resident or whatever wording you choose.

So it might say: “John SMITH appeared in the Census of 1861 in Glasgow. Jane SMITH, Jack SMITH and Jim SMITH were co-resident.”

 

This tactic will now work for the FH V7 Census Report as all reports can now include Fact Witnesses.

But it does not currently work for the ‘Lookup Missing Census Facts’ plugin that requires one Census Event per person.

 

It is feasible to use both tactics simultaneously.

 

I hope that clarifies various details.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Baker
Sent: 20 January 2021 14:14
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Shared Residence

 

I'm also following this with interest. I was aware of the family residence bug, but I'm still slightly confused about the best approach. If I understand correctly, family facts are fine for marriage, etc.  But witnessed events work well for things like census and residence? i.e. I would make a single event for census, and then make everyone else in the household, including the spouse, a witness?  Does that work for the census report too?

Thanks,
Jackie


Re: Family Shared Residence

Jackie Baker <bakerjl75@...>
 

Thanks Mike. I like being able to say resided with.....  but currently have individual facts.  I am aware of problems with transferring witnessed records and can live with that. If I want to use both tactics simultaneously as you mentioned, would I just make the individual event private? But does that work with the Lookup missing facts plugin? Thanks for any advice. I'll play around with it too.

Jackie


Re: Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

Sue Herrington
 

Thanks Paul, that had never occurred to me, probably because I’ve only recently switched from viewing hints within the program.

 

Sue

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Paul Reeve
Sent: 20 January 2021 16:18
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Internet Matches - no updating in FHv7 once accepted/rejected

 

They don't clear automatically if you are using an external browser. Hover the mouse over the circle with the number of hbints and then click on the "refresh" circular arrow to the right. That should clear it (it does for me) - I am also using v6.

Paul

 

 

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