Date   

FamilySearch match

ddplooy@...
 

Can you match Family Historian people with FamilySearch as with Legacy and RootMagic?


Census entry

Neil Spencer
 

Hello Everyone. I've just joined this group and am very new to Family Historian so please forgive what is probably a very simple question.
I want to enter family groups from the UK censuses into the program. What is the best location for this?  Iget confused with the tabs "Notes", "Facts" and "Main". 
I would also like to enter the data for each individual in the family. Presumably I should use use "Copy" and "Paste" or is there a smarter way to do this?
Neil


Re: Mapping Facility in FH

David Potter
 

Hi John

 

I tried that link below but it failed to load the Map having found the place I asked for. I have a FamilySearch account. Is there something else required to get this to work.?

 

Thank you.

 

Kind Regards

 

David Charles Potter

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hanson
Sent: 08 January 2021 18:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Mapping Facility in FH

 

Robert

Whilst Mangotsfield might be in Gloucestershire it is in Keynsham registration district
There are many instances of registration districts crossing the county boundary

 

There are also instances where the registration district is not an actual place – Cosford in Suffolk that crops up many times in my family

 

These days I resort to an online gazetteer to sort them out and first port of call is the LDS mapping facility at https://www.familysearch.org/mapp/


Enter a parish and it will give you all the information that you want about it and links to its wiki which is one of the most underused part of the site these days yet one of the most important with link to all online information for a parish

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Jordan
Sent: 08 January 2021 18:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Mapping Facility in FH

 

Adrian

Your comments do not entirely make sense to me.

Firstly when I enter an event the registration district shows up in the source so I know what it is.

 

I know that Mangotsfield is in Gloucestershire and Keynsham is in Somerset is because I lived in the area. If the same situation occurred in say Northumberland then I would not have a clue and I think most people would take the same view as me. To look up some gazetteer to check every place name used would I suggest take the whole enjoyment out of studying family history.

 

I posed a question as to what marker would be used on the map for Mangotsfield, Keynsham, Somerset and gave three optional answers. Your answer was "probably yes"  I do not have a clue what your answer means!!!

 

I'm afraid you have not convinced me. The map facility was introduced in V6 and I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I have used it. From memory it was to look at the map for myself as I had travelled to all continents of the world, the second time was when I entered Banjol, Gambia in a place and found that the marker showed Banjul which is the correct spelling and when I changed my place entry to the correct spelling the marker jumped about 50 miles away!

This is not in my opinion a reliable facility and I for one will not be using it

 

Robert Jordan

 

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Re: Fact listing order FH7

Mike Tate
 

I don’t mean they will be in a random order, but that there are no GEDCOM rules that define a particular order.

So Calico Pie are at liberty to choose whatever order they like, which will naturally be the same order all the time in FH V7.

But as you say is a different order in FH V6. Other products can choose their order for such GEDCOM items.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 12 January 2021 21:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Fact listing order FH7

 

Hi Mike

Thanks for looking. Actually that list of items is not "any order", but specifically reproducible. That report is just what I have been looking for so I was delighted to find it - though I could have missed it if was there before - inclusive, minimalist and no wordy narrative. Lo,  around every silver lining there seems to be a cloud. Ho hum.

Many thanks.
Kath

On 12/01/2021 20:55, Mike Tate wrote:

Hi Kath,

The All tab shows the order of data in the GEDCOM file.

For items such as Date, Place, Address, Cause, Age, Source the GEDCOM specification says they can be in any order.

So it is not a bug and you cannot rearrange them. Sorry.

You could report it to Calico Pie, but I doubt if they would change it.

 

<snip>

 

Now using FHv7, I notice in the Property box and the All tab, the order of facts in, for example, Census and Death records now shows Age at the bottom of the list. Previously Source(s) appeared in last place, while Age was higher in the list with Cause etc.
. Census ... Date > Place > Address > Source > Age
. Death ... Date > Place > Address > Cause > Source > Age

 


Re: Fact listing order FH7

Kath Liddell
 

Hi Mike

Thanks for looking. Actually that list of items is not "any order", but specifically reproducible. That report is just what I have been looking for so I was delighted to find it - though I could have missed it if was there before - inclusive, minimalist and no wordy narrative. Lo,  around every silver lining there seems to be a cloud. Ho hum.

Many thanks.
Kath

On 12/01/2021 20:55, Mike Tate wrote:

Hi Kath,

The All tab shows the order of data in the GEDCOM file.

For items such as Date, Place, Address, Cause, Age, Source the GEDCOM specification says they can be in any order.

So it is not a bug and you cannot rearrange them. Sorry.

You could report it to Calico Pie, but I doubt if they would change it.

 

<snip>

 

Now using FHv7, I notice in the Property box and the All tab, the order of facts in, for example, Census and Death records now shows Age at the bottom of the list. Previously Source(s) appeared in last place, while Age was higher in the list with Cause etc.
. Census ... Date > Place > Address > Source > Age
. Death ... Date > Place > Address > Cause > Source > Age



Re: Fact listing order FH7

Mike Tate
 

Hi Kath,

The All tab shows the order of data in the GEDCOM file.

For items such as Date, Place, Address, Cause, Age, Source the GEDCOM specification says they can be in any order.

So it is not a bug and you cannot rearrange them. Sorry.

You could report it to Calico Pie, but I doubt if they would change it.

 

Is there any other Report that comes close to what you need?

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 12 January 2021 17:45
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Fact listing order FH7

 

Now using FHv7, I notice in the Property box and the All tab, the order of facts in, for example, Census and Death records now shows Age at the bottom of the list. Previously Source(s) appeared in last place, while Age was higher in the list with Cause etc.
. Census ... Date > Place > Address > Source > Age
. Death ... Date > Place > Address > Cause > Source > Age

I believe I can live with this when the data is only on my computer, but I am now preparing a book which includes Reports of the type Record Detail - Individuals. This report records data in the same order as shown in the Property box.

Is there any way to rearrange these items to show Sources at the end and Age above? Or is it a bug?

Thanks.
Kath


Fact listing order FH7

Kath Liddell
 

Now using FHv7, I notice in the Property box and the All tab, the order of facts in, for example, Census and Death records now shows Age at the bottom of the list. Previously Source(s) appeared in last place, while Age was higher in the list with Cause etc.
. Census ... Date > Place > Address > Source > Age
. Death ... Date > Place > Address > Cause > Source > Age

I believe I can live with this when the data is only on my computer, but I am now preparing a book which includes Reports of the type Record Detail - Individuals. This report records data in the same order as shown in the Property box.

Is there any way to rearrange these items to show Sources at the end and Age above? Or is it a bug?

Thanks.
Kath


Re: MyHeritage browser support

Mike Tate
 

Victor,

What exactly are you asking? Would what work on Firefox?

If you mean the MyHeritage ‘hints’ in FH, then yes if you select the External Browser option and Firefox is your default browser.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham via groups.io
Sent: 11 January 2021 21:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

I don't use IE always Firefox wich is my default browser

Would this work on Firefox? It works with me

Victor

On 11/01/2021 6:49 pm, Mike Tate wrote:

The IE Shell is built into Windows and underpins not only IE but the Desktop and Windows File Explorer, etc.

It is that IE Shell that Windows application developers have had to use.

 

I think the Microsoft Edge WebView2 toolset was only announced in the last few months, too late for CP to incorporate into FH V7.0

 

Also, CP says FH is supported on Vista, which is not supported by Microsoft Edge WebView2, so CP would have to drop Vista (no great loss).

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce
Sent: 11 January 2021 17:42
To: Family Historian Groups.io mailing list <Family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

It's not even a version of IE that was released and has never been updated, IIRC. It's a "browser" that is built into Windows, as I understand it. After all, there has to be a mechanism of getting out there to start with, I've always assumed. Hence its replacement not being a simple Registry hack. (Unless anyone knows better!)

 

Adrian


Re: MyHeritage browser support

Victor Markham
 

I don't use IE always Firefox wich is my default browser

Would this work on Firefox? It works with me

Victor

On 11/01/2021 6:49 pm, Mike Tate wrote:

The IE Shell is built into Windows and underpins not only IE but the Desktop and Windows File Explorer, etc.

It is that IE Shell that Windows application developers have had to use.

 

I think the Microsoft Edge WebView2 toolset was only announced in the last few months, too late for CP to incorporate into FH V7.0

 

Also, CP says FH is supported on Vista, which is not supported by Microsoft Edge WebView2, so CP would have to drop Vista (no great loss).

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce
Sent: 11 January 2021 17:42
To: Family Historian Groups.io mailing list <Family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

It's not even a version of IE that was released and has never been updated, IIRC. It's a "browser" that is built into Windows, as I understand it. After all, there has to be a mechanism of getting out there to start with, I've always assumed. Hence its replacement not being a simple Registry hack. (Unless anyone knows better!)

 

Adrian


Re: MyHeritage browser support

Mike Tate
 

The IE Shell is built into Windows and underpins not only IE but the Desktop and Windows File Explorer, etc.

It is that IE Shell that Windows application developers have had to use.

 

I think the Microsoft Edge WebView2 toolset was only announced in the last few months, too late for CP to incorporate into FH V7.0

 

Also, CP says FH is supported on Vista, which is not supported by Microsoft Edge WebView2, so CP would have to drop Vista (no great loss).

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce
Sent: 11 January 2021 17:42
To: Family Historian Groups.io mailing list <Family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

It's not even a version of IE that was released and has never been updated, IIRC. It's a "browser" that is built into Windows, as I understand it. After all, there has to be a mechanism of getting out there to start with, I've always assumed. Hence its replacement not being a simple Registry hack. (Unless anyone knows better!)

 

Adrian


Re: AS - Problem with deleting data from an automatically populated field.

Nick Walker (Ancestral Sources)
 

As I mentioned recently, this is a Calico Pie mailing list and AS is not a Calico Pie product so I don’t want to upset CP by dealing with AS issues here – please use the FHUG Ancestral Sources forum. I’ll give you the quick answer while I’m here but if you need to ask more please do so via the forum or email me direct. You just need to untick any parents who aren’t referred to in the entry, you don’t delete them. As you said, AS unchecked the ‘SP Mother’ automatically which would have been enough.

 

Cheers

 

Nick

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of ianpmitchell via groups.io
Sent: 11 January 2021 17:34
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] AS - Problem with deleting data from an automatically populated field.

 

I have just entered a marriage into AS, for a marriage that was already there, (I want to be consistent with my sources). It automatically populated the bride's mother who wasn't mentioned on the marriage certificate, so I deleted it. I think AS unchecked "SP Mother" automatically. When I went to save it, it said ~Do you want to rename Alice Amos to ""~ . I answered no. The only option I got then was to either lose all the entry details or cancel. In the end after a couple of circuits I decided to say yes to Rename Alice. Back in FH the screen showed the mother, Alice, as Alice Mitchell, her married name, (changed from Alice Amos), in the man screen, but the property box name was empty.

I feel sure I have done this in the past and not had this issue.


Re: MyHeritage browser support

Adrian Bruce
 

It's not even a version of IE that was released and has never been updated, IIRC. It's a "browser" that is built into Windows, as I understand it. After all, there has to be a mechanism of getting out there to start with, I've always assumed. Hence its replacement not being a simple Registry hack. (Unless anyone knows better!)

Adrian


Re: MyHeritage browser support

Ian Thirlwell
 

For Microsoft Edge (Chromium) there’s the WebView2 control, though not being a programmer I’ve no idea how easy, or difficult, it would be to go that route. Quote from the relevant Microsoft page:
 
The Microsoft Edge WebView2 control enables you to host web content in your application using Microsoft Edge (Chromium) as the rendering engine. For more information, see Overview of Microsoft Edge WebView2 and Getting Started with WebView2.”
 
Ian
 

From: colevalleygirl@...
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 5:09 PM
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support
 

Microsoft dictates that IE is used within an internal browser in a Windows application, not CP. It would be nice to think they would change it but I’m not holding my breath.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Jordan
Sent: 11 January 2021 17:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

The Proposal by colevalleygirl works  but it effectively makes the web search window redundant.  I have raised this with Calico Pie with the same response.

The websearch window allowed one to drag and drop, using an external browser will not allow that.

I suspect the problem which Calico Pie has is that they are using Internet Explorer which is in its death throes and sooner or later will have to change.

It would nice to think they will change it soon to allow the drag and drop facility

Here's hoping

Robert Jordan

 


AS - Problem with deleting data from an automatically populated field.

ianpmitchell@...
 

I have just entered a marriage into AS, for a marriage that was already there, (I want to be consistent with my sources). It automatically populated the bride's mother who wasn't mentioned on the marriage certificate, so I deleted it. I think AS unchecked "SP Mother" automatically. When I went to save it, it said ~Do you want to rename Alice Amos to ""~ . I answered no. The only option I got then was to either lose all the entry details or cancel. In the end after a couple of circuits I decided to say yes to Rename Alice. Back in FH the screen showed the mother, Alice, as Alice Mitchell, her married name, (changed from Alice Amos), in the man screen, but the property box name was empty.

I feel sure I have done this in the past and not had this issue.


Re: MyHeritage browser support

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Microsoft dictates that IE is used within an internal browser in a Windows application, not CP. It would be nice to think they would change it but I’m not holding my breath.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Jordan
Sent: 11 January 2021 17:01
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

The Proposal by colevalleygirl works  but it effectively makes the web search window redundant.  I have raised this with Calico Pie with the same response. 

The websearch window allowed one to drag and drop, using an external browser will not allow that.

I suspect the problem which Calico Pie has is that they are using Internet Explorer which is in its death throes and sooner or later will have to change.

It would nice to think they will change it soon to allow the drag and drop facility

Here's hoping

Robert Jordan

 


Re: MyHeritage browser support

Robert Jordan
 

The Proposal by colevalleygirl works  but it effectively makes the web search window redundant.  I have raised this with Calico Pie with the same response. 
The websearch window allowed one to drag and drop, using an external browser will not allow that.
I suspect the problem which Calico Pie has is that they are using Internet Explorer which is in its death throes and sooner or later will have to change.
It would nice to think they will change it soon to allow the drag and drop facility
Here's hoping
Robert Jordan




On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 16:33 Graham Neilson via groups.io, <neilson=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Many thanks Colevalleygirl, it now works well.

Much appreciated.

On 11 January 2021 at 09:08 "colevalleygirl@..." <colevalleygirl@...> wrote:

You need to configure FH to use an external web browser (so it picks up your default browser): the setting is at Tools > Preferences > Internet Data Matches

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of grayn75@...
Sent: 10 January 2021 17:32
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

I'm getting this message from MyHeritage links:
This browser is not fully supported. For better results, use Google Chrome
However I do have Chrome and it is selected as my default browser. 
How can I get Family Histortian / MyHeritage tomuse Chrome rather than selecting another browser possibly Edge - it is not clear which browser is being used.
Any help would be much appreciated.  

 



 


 


Graham Neilson 

Buildings Manager 

07724 992259


Re: MyHeritage browser support

Graham Neilson
 

Many thanks Colevalleygirl, it now works well.

Much appreciated.

On 11 January 2021 at 09:08 "colevalleygirl@..." <colevalleygirl@...> wrote:

You need to configure FH to use an external web browser (so it picks up your default browser): the setting is at Tools > Preferences > Internet Data Matches

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of grayn75@...
Sent: 10 January 2021 17:32
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

I'm getting this message from MyHeritage links:
This browser is not fully supported. For better results, use Google Chrome
However I do have Chrome and it is selected as my default browser. 
How can I get Family Histortian / MyHeritage tomuse Chrome rather than selecting another browser possibly Edge - it is not clear which browser is being used.
Any help would be much appreciated.  

 



 


 


Graham Neilson 

Buildings Manager 

07724 992259


Re: V7 Source driven entry vs Ancestral Sources

Lorna Craig
 

Another point worth making is that some users upgrading to V7 see the Data Entry Assistants as inseparable from the new templated sources.  It’s important to be clear that  these are two innovations, and you can use one without the other.  DEAs can be used with generic sources (although it will take some time before many have been written for generic sources) and templated sources can be used with or without DEAs.   And Nick Walker has produced a new version of Ancestral Sources so that it can cater for both generic and templated sources.

 

In general it is likely that brand new users will adopt templated sources and (possibly) DEAs, while many established users will prefer to continue with their familiar workflow, using mainly (or exclusively) generic sources and AS.

 

Lorna

 

From: Mike Tate
Sent: 11 January 2021 10:29
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] V7 Source driven entry vs Ancestral Sources

 

AS has always promoted Source driven data entry and FH has always supported Source driven data entry, c.f. Automatic Source Citations.

It is simply that FH V7 has more tools that focus on that approach.

 

AS is aimed at capturing popular source documents for Birth, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial, and Census including 1939 Register and Electoral Rolls.

Whereas, FH Data Entry Assistants and Automatic Source Citations plus manual methods support any form of source information.

However, as Helen says, AS is more mature.

 

So it is a matter of mix & match and choosing whichever suits your modes of working.

 

Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 11 January 2021 09:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] V7 Source driven entry vs Ancestral Sources

 

Essentially both Data Entry Assistant Plugins and AS do the same job. AS is more mature, while DEAs will take a while to reach the same level of maturity.  DEAs don’t require you to run a programme alongside FH, and (if you have some IT experience and are willing to pick up Lua as a programming language) you can customise what exists (as they’re licenced under an MIT licence) or write your own to fit exactly your preferred method of working.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of gen@...
Sent: 09 January 2021 20:17
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] V7 Source driven entry vs Ancestral Sources

 

I have been following the topics in this group with interest ... thanks for the informed comments.

I am just returning to do more work on my Family History so it seemed sensible to start with upgrading to V7 which I have literally just installed and started reading the help.. I don't have extensive experience with FH or with Family History but I do have  a lot of IT experience. There are obviously lots of enhancements but the new Source driven data entry seems like a major innovation in terms of workflow and ease of use.

Has anyone who's looked into this got any comments. In particular I'm not entirely clear whether this complements / replaces / overlaps with Ancestral sources which I used consistently in my previous work.

Thanks John

 


Re: V7 Source driven entry vs Ancestral Sources

Mike Tate
 

AS has always promoted Source driven data entry and FH has always supported Source driven data entry, c.f. Automatic Source Citations.

It is simply that FH V7 has more tools that focus on that approach.

 

AS is aimed at capturing popular source documents for Birth, Baptism, Marriage, Death, Burial, and Census including 1939 Register and Electoral Rolls.

Whereas, FH Data Entry Assistants and Automatic Source Citations plus manual methods support any form of source information.

However, as Helen says, AS is more mature.

 

So it is a matter of mix & match and choosing whichever suits your modes of working.

 

Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 11 January 2021 09:07
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] V7 Source driven entry vs Ancestral Sources

 

Essentially both Data Entry Assistant Plugins and AS do the same job. AS is more mature, while DEAs will take a while to reach the same level of maturity.  DEAs don’t require you to run a programme alongside FH, and (if you have some IT experience and are willing to pick up Lua as a programming language) you can customise what exists (as they’re licenced under an MIT licence) or write your own to fit exactly your preferred method of working.

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of gen@...
Sent: 09 January 2021 20:17
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] V7 Source driven entry vs Ancestral Sources

 

I have been following the topics in this group with interest ... thanks for the informed comments.

I am just returning to do more work on my Family History so it seemed sensible to start with upgrading to V7 which I have literally just installed and started reading the help.. I don't have extensive experience with FH or with Family History but I do have  a lot of IT experience. There are obviously lots of enhancements but the new Source driven data entry seems like a major innovation in terms of workflow and ease of use.

Has anyone who's looked into this got any comments. In particular I'm not entirely clear whether this complements / replaces / overlaps with Ancestral sources which I used consistently in my previous work.

Thanks John


Re: MyHeritage browser support

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

You need to configure FH to use an external web browser (so it picks up your default browser): the setting is at Tools > Preferences > Internet Data Matches

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of grayn75@...
Sent: 10 January 2021 17:32
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] MyHeritage browser support

 

I'm getting this message from MyHeritage links:
This browser is not fully supported. For better results, use Google Chrome
However I do have Chrome and it is selected as my default browser. 
How can I get Family Histortian / MyHeritage tomuse Chrome rather than selecting another browser possibly Edge - it is not clear which browser is being used.
Any help would be much appreciated.  

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