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Citation Window-related Problems in FH7

Irene Peters
 

Dear All,

I have seen two problems with FH7 and am wondering if anyone else has seen this behavior:

1. In the Property Window (which I customized), I get a repeatable error message when I enter information into the data fields for 'Occupation', 'Religion', 'Birth', 'Death' and maybe others. The error occurs after I enter the respective information/data and then hit the button for 'Paste Citation from Source Clipboard' (to fill the 'Source for...' space with a previously copied citation). A window pops up with an error message 'No data to add a citation to'. But the field is filled with data. I then have to exit out of the error msg window by hitting OK, and then repeat the action 'Paste Citation from Source Clipboard'. That second time works every time, just the first time generates the error message, also every time. This was not how FH6 behaved and while it is not critical, it is a bit annoying.

2. When the new, separate Citation Window is open and I click the top right 'x' to close it (for example because it is in the way of seeing what is underneath), it sometimes happens that the entire program quits unceremoniously. No warning, no offer to save, just closes and that's that. I cannot say that this happens reliably every time, but I have now experienced this probably 3 times since using FH7.

Thank you much.

Regards,
Irene Peters


Re: FH7 stand alone

Mike Tate
 

Adrian, you are absolutely correct. It would be a nightmare.
Some products only support a few file types, c.f. MS Word/Excel, but FH is very different.

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce
Sent: 17 December 2020 20:54
To: Family Historian Groups.io mailing list <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

... As I bought full versions, the new version did not over-write the other. In my opinion, Calico Pie have not followed an established software convention here. ...
I'm not so sure how universal that convention is. I know that people have said that they do use software where they can happily install old and new at the same time and run them in parallel. No doubt from this that it can be made to work. Sometimes. However, for starters, you need to install the software into different directories (e.g. FH6 and
FH7) - that's an extra something that can go wrong, especially if you follow convention and allow people to decide where to install the software.

Secondly, if you think how the file association works, right now .GED files are opened by FH.EXE in C:\Program Files (x86)\Family Historian\Program (or whatever your "Program Files" is called). If the
v7 is installed in a new folder, then, by default, all .GED files will be opened by C:\Program Files (x86)\Family Historian v7\Program\FH.EXE (say). That means that if you try to double click your GEDCOM 5.5 file, it *will* be opened by your v7 program and get converted to GEDCOM 5.5.1. So if you're in a situation where both are installed, you have to remember to open FH v6 first, then open the 5.5 file. And heaven help you if, as Lorna says, you open a 5.5.1 file in v6.

Furthermore, file association knock-ons *probably* go on and on. I suspect you'd not be able to download and install a new query into the
v6 FH because the extension .FHQ (is it?) will be pointing at the v7 FH. And LUA, as used by the plug-ins? That probably goes through similar linkages that start with a versionless LUA key in the registry. That's certainly what stuff looked like in the days when I could read Windows Registries. Or thought I could.

Certain standalone software items, running on an unchanged and unchangeable file format, clearly can be made to work in parallel on one machine (I'm guessing that the file format for Adobe Elements didn't change between those versions, e.g.. Or if it did, the file extension changed - cf .DOC versus .DOCX). But anything with a wider ecosystem requires a lot more hard work to have this sort of capability. In my professional career, we certainly never had - never paid for - bespoke software with that capability. Use 2 PCs would be the answer to running in parallel.

Sorry if this sounds a lot - I'm just trying to emphasise that this is not a trivial task, without a massive change to configurations - and I'd rather pay for a massive change in usable abilities.

Adrian


Re: FH7 stand alone

Ian Thirlwell
 

All the versions you buy are full versions. The upgrade is the cheaper price you pay because you have an earlier version.
Ian


Re: FH7 stand alone

Adrian Bruce
 

... As I bought full versions, the new version did not over-write the other. In my opinion, Calico Pie have not followed an established software convention here. ...
I'm not so sure how universal that convention is. I know that people
have said that they do use software where they can happily install old
and new at the same time and run them in parallel. No doubt from this
that it can be made to work. Sometimes. However, for starters, you
need to install the software into different directories (e.g. FH6 and
FH7) - that's an extra something that can go wrong, especially if you
follow convention and allow people to decide where to install the
software.

Secondly, if you think how the file association works, right now .GED
files are opened by FH.EXE in C:\Program Files (x86)\Family
Historian\Program (or whatever your "Program Files" is called). If the
v7 is installed in a new folder, then, by default, all .GED files will
be opened by C:\Program Files (x86)\Family Historian v7\Program\FH.EXE
(say). That means that if you try to double click your GEDCOM 5.5
file, it *will* be opened by your v7 program and get converted to
GEDCOM 5.5.1. So if you're in a situation where both are installed,
you have to remember to open FH v6 first, then open the 5.5 file. And
heaven help you if, as Lorna says, you open a 5.5.1 file in v6.

Furthermore, file association knock-ons *probably* go on and on. I
suspect you'd not be able to download and install a new query into the
v6 FH because the extension .FHQ (is it?) will be pointing at the v7
FH. And LUA, as used by the plug-ins? That probably goes through
similar linkages that start with a versionless LUA key in the
registry. That's certainly what stuff looked like in the days when I
could read Windows Registries. Or thought I could.

Certain standalone software items, running on an unchanged and
unchangeable file format, clearly can be made to work in parallel on
one machine (I'm guessing that the file format for Adobe Elements
didn't change between those versions, e.g.. Or if it did, the file
extension changed - cf .DOC versus .DOCX). But anything with a wider
ecosystem requires a lot more hard work to have this sort of
capability. In my professional career, we certainly never had - never
paid for - bespoke software with that capability. Use 2 PCs would be
the answer to running in parallel.

Sorry if this sounds a lot - I'm just trying to emphasise that this is
not a trivial task, without a massive change to configurations - and
I'd rather pay for a massive change in usable abilities.

Adrian


Re: FH7 stand alone

Lorna Craig
 

New versions of FH have always installed over existing versions, ever since it was first released.  I suspect that if it had been possible for V7 to be installed alongside V6 on the same computer there would now be far more complaints.  Inevitably some people would not have heeded the warnings that V7 file structure is different, and they would have tried to open the same project with V6 after it had been converted to V7, resulting in data corruption.  So whatever Calico Pie had decided to do there would have been complaints!

Lorna

On 17/12/2020 19:01, stephen.challis@... wrote:

I agree, Kathy. I also would buy a full version in the expectation that it would not over-write the older version.

 

For example, I have versions 6 and 10 of Roxio CD Creator on my computer and versions 7 and 2020 of Adobe Premier Elements video editing software. As I bought full versions, the new version did not over-write the other. In my opinion, Calico Pie have not followed an established software convention here. Only an upgrade should over-write the older version.

 

I suggest that if you still want to run both versions, you create another partition on which you would install your operating system, FH7 or FH6 and such other programs as you need to run the program. But setting it up is a time consuming process. I did it years ago and it’s not something I would repeat unless I was desperate.

 

Kind regards

 

Stephen Challis

Please reply to Stephen.Challis@...

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 17 December 2020 14:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

When you upgraded from FH v5 to FH v6 it would have overwritten.

Reverting to FH v5 was not such a big change but Place records and Fact Witnesses would have been lost.

FH v7 is a MUCH bigger change.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

Thank you. Yes, I have seen the other posts, but with other software it is usually just the upgrade that overwrites, not the stand alone pristine start-from-scratch version. That is why I bought the full version. That's what I did when FH6 was released and I don't recall any problem with FH5. Alas, it seems I have wasted my money.

Kath

On 17/12/2020 12:32, Mike Tate wrote:

Kath,

Did you not see all the other postings on this topic?

FH updates/upgrades always overwrite the previous installation but FH v7.0 makes more changes than most.

You can keep FH v6.2 on one PC and install FH v7.0 on another PC but they can’t share anything.

You can migrate the FH v6.2 Projects and Settings to FH v7.0 but there is no easy way back.

 

The Export Gedcom File plugin allows FH v7.0 Projects to be exported in FH v6.2 format.

But the only sure way of getting back to FH v6.2 is with Full Project Backups AND the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings plugin backups.

 

Your last suggestion will certainly result in carnage.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

I have paid for and downloaded a full version of FH7, not the upgrade, thinking I would be able to install on my computer without affecting the original version FH6.2.7. On a second laptop, on installation, the program detects the previous version and overwrites without providing an option to preserve FH6.

I would like to install FH7 as a pristine version without affecting my FH6 system and then perhaps import the FH6 gedcom later. Is it possible to do that?

What would happen if I unstinstall FH6, then install FH7, then re-install FH6 as well ? I'm guessing that would create carnage. Am I missing something?

Kath

 


Re: FH7 stand alone

stephen.challis@...
 

I agree, Kathy. I also would buy a full version in the expectation that it would not over-write the older version.

 

For example, I have versions 6 and 10 of Roxio CD Creator on my computer and versions 7 and 2020 of Adobe Premier Elements video editing software. As I bought full versions, the new version did not over-write the other. In my opinion, Calico Pie have not followed an established software convention here. Only an upgrade should over-write the older version.

 

I suggest that if you still want to run both versions, you create another partition on which you would install your operating system, FH7 or FH6 and such other programs as you need to run the program. But setting it up is a time consuming process. I did it years ago and it’s not something I would repeat unless I was desperate.

 

Kind regards

 

Stephen Challis

Please reply to Stephen.Challis@...

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 17 December 2020 14:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

When you upgraded from FH v5 to FH v6 it would have overwritten.

Reverting to FH v5 was not such a big change but Place records and Fact Witnesses would have been lost.

FH v7 is a MUCH bigger change.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

Thank you. Yes, I have seen the other posts, but with other software it is usually just the upgrade that overwrites, not the stand alone pristine start-from-scratch version. That is why I bought the full version. That's what I did when FH6 was released and I don't recall any problem with FH5. Alas, it seems I have wasted my money.

Kath

On 17/12/2020 12:32, Mike Tate wrote:

Kath,

Did you not see all the other postings on this topic?

FH updates/upgrades always overwrite the previous installation but FH v7.0 makes more changes than most.

You can keep FH v6.2 on one PC and install FH v7.0 on another PC but they can’t share anything.

You can migrate the FH v6.2 Projects and Settings to FH v7.0 but there is no easy way back.

 

The Export Gedcom File plugin allows FH v7.0 Projects to be exported in FH v6.2 format.

But the only sure way of getting back to FH v6.2 is with Full Project Backups AND the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings plugin backups.

 

Your last suggestion will certainly result in carnage.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

I have paid for and downloaded a full version of FH7, not the upgrade, thinking I would be able to install on my computer without affecting the original version FH6.2.7. On a second laptop, on installation, the program detects the previous version and overwrites without providing an option to preserve FH6.

I would like to install FH7 as a pristine version without affecting my FH6 system and then perhaps import the FH6 gedcom later. Is it possible to do that?

What would happen if I unstinstall FH6, then install FH7, then re-install FH6 as well ? I'm guessing that would create carnage. Am I missing something?

Kath

 


Re: FH7 stand alone

Mike Tate
 

When you upgraded from FH v5 to FH v6 it would have overwritten.

Reverting to FH v5 was not such a big change but Place records and Fact Witnesses would have been lost.

FH v7 is a MUCH bigger change.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:41
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

Thank you. Yes, I have seen the other posts, but with other software it is usually just the upgrade that overwrites, not the stand alone pristine start-from-scratch version. That is why I bought the full version. That's what I did when FH6 was released and I don't recall any problem with FH5. Alas, it seems I have wasted my money.

Kath

On 17/12/2020 12:32, Mike Tate wrote:

Kath,

Did you not see all the other postings on this topic?

FH updates/upgrades always overwrite the previous installation but FH v7.0 makes more changes than most.

You can keep FH v6.2 on one PC and install FH v7.0 on another PC but they can’t share anything.

You can migrate the FH v6.2 Projects and Settings to FH v7.0 but there is no easy way back.

 

The Export Gedcom File plugin allows FH v7.0 Projects to be exported in FH v6.2 format.

But the only sure way of getting back to FH v6.2 is with Full Project Backups AND the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings plugin backups.

 

Your last suggestion will certainly result in carnage.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

I have paid for and downloaded a full version of FH7, not the upgrade, thinking I would be able to install on my computer without affecting the original version FH6.2.7. On a second laptop, on installation, the program detects the previous version and overwrites without providing an option to preserve FH6.

I would like to install FH7 as a pristine version without affecting my FH6 system and then perhaps import the FH6 gedcom later. Is it possible to do that?

What would happen if I unstinstall FH6, then install FH7, then re-install FH6 as well ? I'm guessing that would create carnage. Am I missing something?

Kath

 


Re: Finding Specific Dates

Mike Tate
 

No FH v7 does not provide an equivalent to the Data Ref Assistant but for functions.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 17 December 2020 13:20
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Finding Specific Dates

 

Mike

Thanks.  I've looked at the examples in the link you sent and I've got something working- I just need to play around to get the columns exactly how I want them  (after I get to grips with the function syntax which the examples will help with).

I think it would be nice if it was possible to select the functions for columns in a similar way that one can select Facts / events in queries.  I'm still on FH6 - does FH7 improve this sort of thing ??

Brian


Re: Finding Specific Dates

Brian Horridge
 

Mike

Thanks.  I've looked at the examples in the link you sent and I've got something working- I just need to play around to get the columns exactly how I want them  (after I get to grips with the function syntax which the examples will help with).

I think it would be nice if it was possible to select the functions for columns in a similar way that one can select Facts / events in queries.  I'm still on FH6 - does FH7 improve this sort of thing ??

Brian


On 16/12/2020 13:45, Mike Tate wrote:

Yes, there are many ways that and other options can be exercised.

Checkout the FH standard Fact Queries like All Facts.

See the Knowledge Base for loads of advice…

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/an-overview-of-queries/

Look under Sorting a Fact Query on Owner Surname

Also, the Downloads for Fact Queries has many examples.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 16 December 2020 12:20
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Finding Specific Dates

 

Mike

Once I realised I had to change the Query type to a "Fact" query, I managed to get a list of events with that date so thanks for that.  I've also got it working with a Parameter box so I can easily check any data I like.

However, I cannot seem to see a way of displaying the relevant individual in a Column that the event "happened" to.  If I click on one of the results it takes me to the relevant Individual's Property box but none of the Query "Column" fields seem to offer a way of identifying the person in the result set.  Can this be done ??

Many thanks

Brian


On 16/12/2020 10:28, Mike Tate wrote:

You must use a Fact Query with Row filter =GetDisplayText(%FACT.DATE%, MIN) begins with 25 Dec

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 16 December 2020 09:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Finding Specific Dates

 

Hi

Out of curiosity, I wanted to see how many people in my database had an "event" on 25 December (no specific year).  I tried to use the "Contains Text" query but that only looks at data fields that are defined as Text fields.

Is there an equivalent that will look at any Date field.  I can do it in the raw Gedcom file if opened in a text editor and using "Find" but it would be nice to be able to do it with FH.

Many thanks

Brian

 

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Re: FH7 stand alone

Kath Liddell
 

Thank you. Yes, I have seen the other posts, but with other software it is usually just the upgrade that overwrites, not the stand alone pristine start-from-scratch version. That is why I bought the full version. That's what I did when FH6 was released and I don't recall any problem with FH5. Alas, it seems I have wasted my money.

Kath

On 17/12/2020 12:32, Mike Tate wrote:

Kath,

Did you not see all the other postings on this topic?

FH updates/upgrades always overwrite the previous installation but FH v7.0 makes more changes than most.

You can keep FH v6.2 on one PC and install FH v7.0 on another PC but they can’t share anything.

You can migrate the FH v6.2 Projects and Settings to FH v7.0 but there is no easy way back.

 

The Export Gedcom File plugin allows FH v7.0 Projects to be exported in FH v6.2 format.

But the only sure way of getting back to FH v6.2 is with Full Project Backups AND the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings plugin backups.

 

Your last suggestion will certainly result in carnage.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

I have paid for and downloaded a full version of FH7, not the upgrade, thinking I would be able to install on my computer without affecting the original version FH6.2.7. On a second laptop, on installation, the program detects the previous version and overwrites without providing an option to preserve FH6.

I would like to install FH7 as a pristine version without affecting my FH6 system and then perhaps import the FH6 gedcom later. Is it possible to do that?

What would happen if I unstinstall FH6, then install FH7, then re-install FH6 as well ? I'm guessing that would create carnage. Am I missing something?

Kath



Re: FH7 stand alone

Mike Tate
 

Kath,

Did you not see all the other postings on this topic?

FH updates/upgrades always overwrite the previous installation but FH v7.0 makes more changes than most.

You can keep FH v6.2 on one PC and install FH v7.0 on another PC but they can’t share anything.

You can migrate the FH v6.2 Projects and Settings to FH v7.0 but there is no easy way back.

 

The Export Gedcom File plugin allows FH v7.0 Projects to be exported in FH v6.2 format.

But the only sure way of getting back to FH v6.2 is with Full Project Backups AND the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings plugin backups.

 

Your last suggestion will certainly result in carnage.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Kath Liddell
Sent: 17 December 2020 12:21
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] FH7 stand alone

 

I have paid for and downloaded a full version of FH7, not the upgrade, thinking I would be able to install on my computer without affecting the original version FH6.2.7. On a second laptop, on installation, the program detects the previous version and overwrites without providing an option to preserve FH6.

I would like to install FH7 as a pristine version without affecting my FH6 system and then perhaps import the FH6 gedcom later. Is it possible to do that?

What would happen if I unstinstall FH6, then install FH7, then re-install FH6 as well ? I'm guessing that would create carnage. Am I missing something?

Kath


Re: Export Gedcom / FH7 problem?

Andrew Kemp
 

Mike,

Thanks for the prompt response. 
Yes I do have some long notes due to conducting a one-name study.

I am familiar with editing scripts/plugins and making changes under instruction, as well as proving feedback. Rather than test this via the mail list, I will move it over to the forum for your help.
Thanks.

Regards,
Andrew

On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 23:22, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Sorry about that.

I have changed the way the FH v7 plugin processes long Notes with CONT/CONC lines in order to handle ‘rich text’ conversions. Thus it can end up with very long text strings if you have very long Notes.

However, it still is a bit odd that it should run out of memory handling strings.

It is unlikely that I can do much via this Email thread with attached trial Plugin scripts.

Are you familiar with editing Plugin scripts if I explain what lines need changing?

The alternative is to post in the FHUG Forum for Plugin Discussions where I can attach trial Plugin scripts.

Apologetically, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Kemp
Sent: 17 December 2020 10:30
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Export Gedcom / FH7 problem?

 

Hi,

 

I am experiencing an issue with producing a gedcom of my FH file via Export Gedcom plugin for export to my TNG website since upgrading to FH v7.

 

The same gedcom successfully exported via Export Gedcom plugin under FH v6, however now since upgrading to v7 I am experiencing an "out of memory" issue. I have checked and upgraded to the latest Export Gedcom plugin v4.1, however that has not solved the problem.

 

My FH file is quite large, approximately 465K individuals &  140K families if that is relevant.

 

 

Below is the error message produced (if this helps):

 

[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:4343: not enough memory for buffer allocation
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'string.gsub'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:4343: in upvalue 'doPrune'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:8435: in local 'useRules'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9488: in function 'ExportGedcom'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9199: in function <[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9189>
(...tail calls...)
[C]: in function 'iuplua.MainLoop'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:2494: in field 'ShowDialogue'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9370: in function 'GUI_MainDialogue'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9546: in main chunk

 

Any ideas please? I would like to update my website before the end of the year. 

Thanks.

 

Regards,

Andrew


Re: Creating a Book

Mike Tate
 

1) No, except possibly image files exported from the other project.

2) Yes, within the limitations of what the ‘rich text’ Note format will allow.

3) One option is to create a Media record for the photo and use the Media Report.

Another is to use a Blank Diagram with just the photo inserted.

See https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/creating-a-book/#book_free_page_content

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of mofus31@...
Sent: 17 December 2020 11:17
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Creating a Book

 

just upgraded from 6 to 7.Creating a BOOK
1)can I create 1 book from 2 or more diff Projects
2) on Text page can you  copy & paste a document from a File or Word document
3) how put a photo on a page , large photo only

many thanks Alan Hillier


Re: Export Gedcom / FH7 problem?

Mike Tate
 

Sorry about that.

I have changed the way the FH v7 plugin processes long Notes with CONT/CONC lines in order to handle ‘rich text’ conversions. Thus it can end up with very long text strings if you have very long Notes.

However, it still is a bit odd that it should run out of memory handling strings.

It is unlikely that I can do much via this Email thread with attached trial Plugin scripts.

Are you familiar with editing Plugin scripts if I explain what lines need changing?

The alternative is to post in the FHUG Forum for Plugin Discussions where I can attach trial Plugin scripts.

Apologetically, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Kemp
Sent: 17 December 2020 10:30
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Export Gedcom / FH7 problem?

 

Hi,

 

I am experiencing an issue with producing a gedcom of my FH file via Export Gedcom plugin for export to my TNG website since upgrading to FH v7.

 

The same gedcom successfully exported via Export Gedcom plugin under FH v6, however now since upgrading to v7 I am experiencing an "out of memory" issue. I have checked and upgraded to the latest Export Gedcom plugin v4.1, however that has not solved the problem.

 

My FH file is quite large, approximately 465K individuals &  140K families if that is relevant.

 

 

Below is the error message produced (if this helps):

 

[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:4343: not enough memory for buffer allocation
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'string.gsub'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:4343: in upvalue 'doPrune'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:8435: in local 'useRules'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9488: in function 'ExportGedcom'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9199: in function <[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9189>
(...tail calls...)
[C]: in function 'iuplua.MainLoop'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:2494: in field 'ShowDialogue'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9370: in function 'GUI_MainDialogue'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9546: in main chunk

 

Any ideas please? I would like to update my website before the end of the year. 

Thanks.

 

Regards,

Andrew


FH7 stand alone

Kath Liddell
 

I have paid for and downloaded a full version of FH7, not the upgrade, thinking I would be able to install on my computer without affecting the original version FH6.2.7. On a second laptop, on installation, the program detects the previous version and overwrites without providing an option to preserve FH6.

I would like to install FH7 as a pristine version without affecting my FH6 system and then perhaps import the FH6 gedcom later. Is it possible to do that?

What would happen if I unstinstall FH6, then install FH7, then re-install FH6 as well ? I'm guessing that would create carnage. Am I missing something?

Kath


Creating a Book

mofus31@...
 

just upgraded from 6 to 7.Creating a BOOK
1)can I create 1 book from 2 or more diff Projects
2) on Text page can you  copy & paste a document from a File or Word document
3) how put a photo on a page , large photo only

many thanks Alan Hillier


Export Gedcom / FH7 problem?

Andrew Kemp
 

Hi,

I am experiencing an issue with producing a gedcom of my FH file via Export Gedcom plugin for export to my TNG website since upgrading to FH v7.

The same gedcom successfully exported via Export Gedcom plugin under FH v6, however now since upgrading to v7 I am experiencing an "out of memory" issue. I have checked and upgraded to the latest Export Gedcom plugin v4.1, however that has not solved the problem.

My FH file is quite large, approximately 465K individuals &  140K families if that is relevant.


Below is the error message produced (if this helps):

[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:4343: not enough memory for buffer allocation
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'string.gsub'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:4343: in upvalue 'doPrune'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:8435: in local 'useRules'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9488: in function 'ExportGedcom'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9199: in function <[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9189>
(...tail calls...)
[C]: in function 'iuplua.MainLoop'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:2494: in field 'ShowDialogue'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9370: in function 'GUI_MainDialogue'
[string "C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\Pl..."]:9546: in main chunk

Any ideas please? I would like to update my website before the end of the year. 
Thanks.

Regards,
Andrew


Re: Finding Specific Dates

Mike Tate
 

Yes, there are many ways that and other options can be exercised.

Checkout the FH standard Fact Queries like All Facts.

See the Knowledge Base for loads of advice…

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/an-overview-of-queries/

Look under Sorting a Fact Query on Owner Surname

Also, the Downloads for Fact Queries has many examples.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 16 December 2020 12:20
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Finding Specific Dates

 

Mike

Once I realised I had to change the Query type to a "Fact" query, I managed to get a list of events with that date so thanks for that.  I've also got it working with a Parameter box so I can easily check any data I like.

However, I cannot seem to see a way of displaying the relevant individual in a Column that the event "happened" to.  If I click on one of the results it takes me to the relevant Individual's Property box but none of the Query "Column" fields seem to offer a way of identifying the person in the result set.  Can this be done ??

Many thanks

Brian


On 16/12/2020 10:28, Mike Tate wrote:

You must use a Fact Query with Row filter =GetDisplayText(%FACT.DATE%, MIN) begins with 25 Dec

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Horridge via groups.io
Sent: 16 December 2020 09:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Finding Specific Dates

 

Hi

Out of curiosity, I wanted to see how many people in my database had an "event" on 25 December (no specific year).  I tried to use the "Contains Text" query but that only looks at data fields that are defined as Text fields.

Is there an equivalent that will look at any Date field.  I can do it in the raw Gedcom file if opened in a text editor and using "Find" but it would be nice to be able to do it with FH.

Many thanks

Brian

 

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"How to" List the B-only descendants from the A+B union (aka the 'right join')

Lester Gilbert
 

The narrative report of descendants (FH7) for our "lone" ancestor (6 generations ago, refugee from Lithuania, let's call him A) has gone down a storm with the surviving relatives (smile), showing around 100 descendants.  A married B, and now the A tribe wants to know all about the B tribe.  Must be something to do with the approaching Auld Lang Syne season...  Generating that report results in a repetitive overlap of around 70 descendants they've already read about.

How do I generate a narrative report of Bs that omits all A-connected descendants, please?  In database terms, it's a right join, being that part of the union of A and B which has no As.  Many thanks!


Re: Media path length

Mike Tate
 

Thank you Graham.

There are many ways to determine path length, but Dave wants to use a custom Query to perform the check.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of graham.kent872@...
Sent: 16 December 2020 23:58
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Media path length

 

Dave,

The "preceeding path" can be found on the "Work with External File Links Dialog" (Main menu bar - Tools - External File Links).

Once you have that, look for you "Data" folder (named similar to "Family Historian Sample Project.fh_data"), then follow the directory to one of the long files. With Windows 10, you can click on the name of the folder in which your file sits and select "Copy address as text".

Once that is done, open Notepad and past in the full filename and directory path (ie just click paste). Now, look at the bottom line in Notepad and you will see "Ln1, Col XXX" where XXX is the length of the text + 1.

Hope this helps :)

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