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Re: "How to" Missing and unknown dates

Adrian Bruce
 

I advised using the Facts tab because using the Main tab doesn't work as the software can't tell whether there has been any intention to create an empty entry, or whether it's just a user tabbing through. 

Adding the event on the Facts tab and leaving it empty is recognized. 

As for entering "nd", I'm afraid I must put my standards hat on and say, absolutely not. Dates should contain dates, date ranges or date phrases. Period. Anything else is a hostage to fortune, especially if and when multiple languages get involved. As an example, GEDCOM 5.5 at least, has the ability to put a "Y" somewhere on a Death event to show that, yes, they are dead - in theory, this should not cause an issue as the Y is not in the date or place item. In practice one system interpreted the Y as a place name - and there genuinely is a place in France called Y. Codes, I'm afraid, can easily get misinterpreted, especially across languages.

Use the Fact tab or the All tab and you'll get an empty event as you need. At least, it works in **v6** without any need to clear anything. 



Re: map function

pc45family@...
 

I had the same problem in v6. If I found a place on Google maps and copied the map reference it was always put some way to the west. I then had to centre the map on the reference and then move it. Another problem i found is that 'England' isn't always recognised. I found several were put in the USA. I have now moved them all but perhaps I should use 'UK'.

Peter Coates


Re: Format Citation in reports.

Mike Tate
 

I was beginning to struggle for a while 😁

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 15 December 2020 17:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Format Citation in reports.

 

Thats perfect Mike,
cracked it, you are a star indeed.
Thanks for hanging in there!!
John Firr


Re: map function

Mike Tate
 

Did you thoroughly reset the Place record when you changed the spelling?

i.e. Delete the Lat/Longitude.

When I try either spelling it plots perfectly on Banjul.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Jordan
Sent: 15 December 2020 17:28
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] map function

 

There seems to be an issue with the Map function in Version 7.
I entered a custom fact "Occupational event" which took place in Banjul, The Gambia. Inadvertantly I mistyped Banjul as Banjol and the  marker on the map correctly showed immediately above Banjul. However when I corrected the spelling the marker jumped about 50 miles to the east!
I now have to decide whether to leave the inaccurate spelling to show the map as correct or to put the correct spelling and have  the map to show incorrectly. Either way it does suggest that there is something wrong with the map function and does leave open the question as to how reliable the map function is

R A Jordan


Re: "How to" Missing and unknown dates

Lester Gilbert
 

Perhaps Calico Pie could be asked to allow a date entered as "nd" into a date field, such that the associated event is automatically created and reports etc show "n.d.", as is conventional in other contexts for something which has no date, is not dated, or has no data.

There are work-arounds, certainly.  Entering a space into the Birth date field of the Children sub-window in a Main tab nicely creates the birth event without any date. But as far as I can tell a birth event isn't created if a space is entered into the Born field at the Main tab. As with the other Main tab and Add Fact dates, a non-blank date entry must be made in order to have the event created, and then the date field needs to be cleared in the Facts tab, leaving just the event fact.


Re: map function

Lorna Craig
 

The mapping function is not perfect but map markers can be adjusted easily.  Keep the correct spelling but manually move the marker. You can do this by clicking the 'Drag' icon at the right hand end of the map window toolbar.

It's a good idea to use Tools>Preferences>Map Window and set 'Mark Auto-geocodes as Tentative if:' to Always. Also tick 'Block Refresh for Non-tentative Geocodes'.  Then any geocodes you change manually will not be accidentally upset by any future auto geocoding.

Lorna

On 15/12/2020 17:27, Robert Jordan wrote:
There seems to be an issue with the Map function in Version 7.
I entered a custom fact "Occupational event" which took place in Banjul, The Gambia. Inadvertantly I mistyped Banjul as Banjol and the  marker on the map correctly showed immediately above Banjul. However when I corrected the spelling the marker jumped about 50 miles to the east!
I now have to decide whether to leave the inaccurate spelling to show the map as correct or to put the correct spelling and have  the map to show incorrectly. Either way it does suggest that there is something wrong with the map function and does leave open the question as to how reliable the map function is

R A Jordan


Re: Format Citation in reports.

johnfirr@...
 

Thats perfect Mike,
cracked it, you are a star indeed.
Thanks for hanging in there!!
John Firr


map function

Robert Jordan
 

There seems to be an issue with the Map function in Version 7.
I entered a custom fact "Occupational event" which took place in Banjul, The Gambia. Inadvertantly I mistyped Banjul as Banjol and the  marker on the map correctly showed immediately above Banjul. However when I corrected the spelling the marker jumped about 50 miles to the east!
I now have to decide whether to leave the inaccurate spelling to show the map as correct or to put the correct spelling and have  the map to show incorrectly. Either way it does suggest that there is something wrong with the map function and does leave open the question as to how reliable the map function is

R A Jordan


Re: upgrading to v7

theduncans65@...
 

Hello Karen,
I upgraded a couple of days again from V6 and all went very well. Even used gedcom on to renew it on my ipad . 
Had paid for upgrade on V6 so no money required either. All good! Go for it! 

Regards
Susan 


On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:55, Karen Hodges <rowantreek@...> wrote:


Hi

I have version 6 of FH and have not upgraded this program before. 

It seems a lot of people are having trouble with the upgrade. I can't tell from the posts  if these are software issues that need a fix or if they are issues caused by errors in the data people have recorded and saved and brought into the new upgraded version or both.

I am wondering if I should upgrade and what to do to avoid problems or wait until more people have tested the new upgrade and a fix if needed added.

Karen


Re: Format Citation in reports.

Mike Tate
 

I have a solution !!!!

To imitate your scenario I copied your Note text and that made a difference.

I can now get your symptoms.

 

I discovered that the first line is coming from the Tools > Preferences > Source settings.

The default for long text from a Note is to truncate it shorter than in FH v6, often at the first full stop.

 

The second line is coming from your Report > Options > Sources tab non-default settings.

I think you have the ‘Append from Source Record’ option for Notes ticked?

Untick that and the second line vanishes.

 

Now back in Tools > Preferences > Source settings use the following to display the entire Note:

{=GetParagraph(%SOUR.NOTE2%,1)}

 

You have to do it that way because there appears to be no way to get the Tools > Preferences > Source settings to display absolutely nothing. If you untick all the options you still get (no text).

 

What was misleading us was the Report > Options > Sources setting.

 

Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 15 December 2020 14:38
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Format Citation in reports.

 

Apologies Mike,
it is difficult to get across without pictures I guess.

If this makes no sense feel free not to waste time on it, I am grateful for all the help I get on here, but I,ll try to be clearer:
Lets say I have a baptism for Joe Bloggs in Hinckley in 1945.
I might for example want the citation in the sources list at the end of the report to say:
1. Baptisms (PR). England. Hinckley Leicester. 1945. BLOGGS Joe .Baptisms. Leicester Record Office.

In order to achieve this I had adopted a process of typing exactly that text in the notes field on the source property box then setting via tools, preferences etc so that only that note was printed as the source and I did this by unticking every box except notes on the source options page. This was working perfectly.

Since upgrading to V7 and by doing exactly the same thing it is inserting the line (no text) first then putting my citation (lifted from the note field) on a second line. This isnt a killer but looks messy.

I checked the format box as you suggested and it was exactly as per your earlier note.

So I then thought I would try the second format text that you gave and I copied it from your mail and pasted into the custom format box ( so it was exactly as you typed it) to see if it worked, however instead of removing the first line "(no text)", it now still prints two lines with the first now saying:
1.Baptisms(PR) .....
and the second then being the note citation that I want.

This is still no good as it still has a completely superflous first line ( I have typed it exactly as it appears by the way.)

So what I am seeking to do is to stop it printing these erroneous first lines and just print the source note as the source citation as I type it and nothing else.

I appreciate that this may just be too complex for me to explain and as I said perhaps I should just accept the new system and use the autotext templates and the citations it produces.

If this helps explain the problem better I would obviously welcome more advice but equally accept that I,m just trying to do something that cant be done on the new version and find a different way of working.

regards
John F


Re: New computer AND stay with version 6

Sheila Beer
 

Looking good - thanks so much Mike


On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 14:13, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

OK, that makes things easier.

 

If you have mislaid the installation download file you bought, then you can download the Family Historian 6 (30-Day Free Trial) from:

https://www.family-historian.co.uk/downloads/download-archive

 

As well as the licence key (which you should not have published here) you need your licence name.

If you have mislaid that, then in FH use Help > About Family Historian… and it should be listed at the top as Registered To.

 

So on your new computer run the install_fh6.2.7_dl.exe downloaded file.

It will ask for your licence name and your licence key.

I suggest you copy & paste the licence key rather than type it in by hand.

 

Once FH is running on your new computer return to the FHUG KB steps:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-v5-v6-migration-guide/

 

There under Standard Migration Steps it is important to follow each step from 1) to 8).

You have already partly completed steps 2) and 3).

At step 4) you can use your external drive.

 

Let me know if anything is not clear.

 

Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Sheila Beer
Sent: 15 December 2020 13:37
To: family historian io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] New computer AND stay with version 6

 

It was a full version 'cause I think I was working with a very early version and could only get a complete new version.

Reg. key     000NGD-A8J0Y3-9YJ065-Q4HCHC-AUTPN2-TVU5QY-2RCV6K-HVKF6D

 

Thanks so much Mike

 

Sheila


Re: Format Citation in reports.

johnfirr@...
 

Apologies Mike,
it is difficult to get across without pictures I guess.

If this makes no sense feel free not to waste time on it, I am grateful for all the help I get on here, but I,ll try to be clearer:
Lets say I have a baptism for Joe Bloggs in Hinckley in 1945.
I might for example want the citation in the sources list at the end of the report to say:
1. Baptisms (PR). England. Hinckley Leicester. 1945. BLOGGS Joe .Baptisms. Leicester Record Office.

In order to achieve this I had adopted a process of typing exactly that text in the notes field on the source property box then setting via tools, preferences etc so that only that note was printed as the source and I did this by unticking every box except notes on the source options page. This was working perfectly.

Since upgrading to V7 and by doing exactly the same thing it is inserting the line (no text) first then putting my citation (lifted from the note field) on a second line. This isnt a killer but looks messy.

I checked the format box as you suggested and it was exactly as per your earlier note.

So I then thought I would try the second format text that you gave and I copied it from your mail and pasted into the custom format box ( so it was exactly as you typed it) to see if it worked, however instead of removing the first line "(no text)", it now still prints two lines with the first now saying:
1.Baptisms(PR) .....
and the second then being the note citation that I want.

This is still no good as it still has a completely superflous first line ( I have typed it exactly as it appears by the way.)

So what I am seeking to do is to stop it printing these erroneous first lines and just print the source note as the source citation as I type it and nothing else.

I appreciate that this may just be too complex for me to explain and as I said perhaps I should just accept the new system and use the autotext templates and the citations it produces.

If this helps explain the problem better I would obviously welcome more advice but equally accept that I,m just trying to do something that cant be done on the new version and find a different way of working.

regards
John F


Re: "How to" Missing and unknown dates

Graham Kent
 

Assuming that you are using FH7 - you have described the reason for the introduction of "Sort Dates" - see the Help File for advice on how to use them.

For versions before FH7, there was unfortunately, no option for a blank date as the program then had no way of knowing where to place the fact. In most of those cases though, a "Date Phrase" could be applied with reasonable results.


Re: New computer AND stay with version 6

Mike Tate
 

OK, that makes things easier.

 

If you have mislaid the installation download file you bought, then you can download the Family Historian 6 (30-Day Free Trial) from:

https://www.family-historian.co.uk/downloads/download-archive

 

As well as the licence key (which you should not have published here) you need your licence name.

If you have mislaid that, then in FH use Help > About Family Historian… and it should be listed at the top as Registered To.

 

So on your new computer run the install_fh6.2.7_dl.exe downloaded file.

It will ask for your licence name and your licence key.

I suggest you copy & paste the licence key rather than type it in by hand.

 

Once FH is running on your new computer return to the FHUG KB steps:

https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/family-historian-v5-v6-migration-guide/

 

There under Standard Migration Steps it is important to follow each step from 1) to 8).

You have already partly completed steps 2) and 3).

At step 4) you can use your external drive.

 

Let me know if anything is not clear.

 

Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Sheila Beer
Sent: 15 December 2020 13:37
To: family historian io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [family-historian] New computer AND stay with version 6

 

It was a full version 'cause I think I was working with a very early version and could only get a complete new version.

Reg. key     000NGD-A8J0Y3-9YJ065-Q4HCHC-AUTPN2-TVU5QY-2RCV6K-HVKF6D

 

Thanks so much Mike

 

Sheila


Re: New computer AND stay with version 6

Sheila Beer
 

It was a full version 'cause I think I was working with a very early version and could only get a complete new version.
Reg. key     000NGD-A8J0Y3-9YJ065-Q4HCHC-AUTPN2-TVU5QY-2RCV6K-HVKF6D

Thanks so much Mike

Sheila

On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 13:07, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Hi Sheila,

You must install FH v6.2 in much the same way as you did on the old computer.

Was the FH v6 download a full version or an upgrade from FH v5?

You will need the FH v6 licence name and key.

If an upgrade then you need the FH v5 licence name and key and the installation download file too.

Tell us what you have and what is missing and we can take it from there.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Sheila Beer
Sent: 15 December 2020 12:50
To: family historian io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] New computer AND stay with version 6

 

Hi Guys

 

I would like to stay using version 6 (which I have installed, and I know the registration key, on the old computer).

 

So I need to copy the program to my new computer.

 

My question is how?

 

I've looked and looked at the info on the FHUG site (I've run/updated the Backup and restore and copied that onto my external drive and installed that onto the new computer).

 

Can someone tell me (i'm old and definitely not tech minded) in simple terms, one step at a time, how to copy, using my external drive,  the version 6.2.7 programm from old to new computer.   I know that 2 installations per registration no. IS allowed.   I thought about buying a CD version 6 from Amazon but new computer has no CD/DVD drive.  My version six was a download.

 

Don't get old girls and boys!!!!!!!!!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Sheila Beer


Re: New computer AND stay with version 6

Mike Tate
 

Hi Sheila,

You must install FH v6.2 in much the same way as you did on the old computer.

Was the FH v6 download a full version or an upgrade from FH v5?

You will need the FH v6 licence name and key.

If an upgrade then you need the FH v5 licence name and key and the installation download file too.

Tell us what you have and what is missing and we can take it from there.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Sheila Beer
Sent: 15 December 2020 12:50
To: family historian io <family-historian@groups.io>
Subject: [family-historian] New computer AND stay with version 6

 

Hi Guys

 

I would like to stay using version 6 (which I have installed, and I know the registration key, on the old computer).

 

So I need to copy the program to my new computer.

 

My question is how?

 

I've looked and looked at the info on the FHUG site (I've run/updated the Backup and restore and copied that onto my external drive and installed that onto the new computer).

 

Can someone tell me (i'm old and definitely not tech minded) in simple terms, one step at a time, how to copy, using my external drive,  the version 6.2.7 programm from old to new computer.   I know that 2 installations per registration no. IS allowed.   I thought about buying a CD version 6 from Amazon but new computer has no CD/DVD drive.  My version six was a download.

 

Don't get old girls and boys!!!!!!!!!

 

Thank you so much.

 

Sheila Beer


Re: "How to" Missing and unknown dates

Lorna Craig
 

If the problem is just with diagrams, you can edit the diagram text scheme to display some text of your own choice if a fact has no data at all.  When you edit the line in the text scheme there is a tick box for 'No data' text.  If you tick this you can then enter your chosen text in the adjacent field.  However this only works if the fact has no data at all. So it won't work if the date is unknown but something else, such as the place, is known.

Lorna

On 15/12/2020 12:34, Adrian Bruce wrote:
If I understand you correctly, the issue arises when you want to trigger a line about the event in a diagram or something. In general, of course, just leaving the date empty is enough to mean "Unknown". But you still need the Event in the first place.


New computer AND stay with version 6

Sheila Beer
 

Hi Guys

I would like to stay using version 6 (which I have installed, and I know the registration key, on the old computer).

So I need to copy the program to my new computer.

My question is how?

I've looked and looked at the info on the FHUG site (I've run/updated the Backup and restore and copied that onto my external drive and installed that onto the new computer).

Can someone tell me (i'm old and definitely not tech minded) in simple terms, one step at a time, how to copy, using my external drive,  the version 6.2.7 programm from old to new computer.   I know that 2 installations per registration no. IS allowed.   I thought about buying a CD version 6 from Amazon but new computer has no CD/DVD drive.  My version six was a download.

Don't get old girls and boys!!!!!!!!!

Thank you so much.

Sheila Beer


Re: "How to" Missing and unknown dates

Adrian Bruce
 

If I understand you correctly, the issue arises when you want to trigger a line about the event in a diagram or something. In general, of course, just leaving the date empty is enough to mean "Unknown". But you still need the Event in the first place. 

I just tried to use the All tab to add a Death event, but omitted any date or place. On my diagram, this triggered a line containing "d." only. Which seems adequate to me. 

It even seems to work if I add a Death event on the Facts tab of the Individual's property box. 

Adding it on the Main tab of the Individual's property box seems more difficult as spaces in the event details don't seem to be recognized as input - reasonably enough. In that case, you might consider putting a question mark in the place name. Naughty, of course, from a pedant's view. 

In all those cases, the narrative reports say "She died". 

Adrian


Re: Format Citation in reports.

Mike Tate
 

I’m not quite sure whether any of the examples you posted are satisfactory.

Are you saying that this format is perfectly OK except that you don’t want the word Note:?

1) Note: Baptisms(PR) ...

Then underneath this my note citation.

 

If so then use a variant of my expression without the "Note: " bit:

{=CombineText("",%SOUR.NOTE2%,""," ")}

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 15 December 2020 11:42
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Format Citation in reports.

 

Hi Mike,
not sure if this will help and I am avoiding attaching screenshots as I understand that this forum doesnt handle them well but obviously can do if it helps.

I have only got the "notes" box ticked and have checked the format as suggested and it shows the same as your note:

{%SOUR.NOTE2%}.

This yield a format in the source list on an individual narrative report of:
1. (No text)
Then the citation I have typed in as a note.
Before the upgrade this workaround worked fine.

I tried copying and pasting your custom format and got this as a source on exactly the same report
Note: Baptisms(PR) ...
Then underneath this my note citation.

The Baptisms (PR) bit is actually the start of my citation note.

Hope this helps? I,m clearly doing something wrong but cant quite figure it out and perhaps I just need to go with the new automated system. I,m not being a luddite its just that it took me ages to get my head around citations and sources and I had something working that I understood.

regards
John F

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