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Re: FH Exception Report

Terry Jacombs
 

Yes it is the reports from standalone gedcoms which go into C:Users/YOURUSERNAME/AppDate/Local/Temp, I was loading up an old gedcom from a relative which I refer to on occasions and generated a few errors. My two projects both loaded up with exceptions.

Kind regards
Terry Jacombs 

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 13:01, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

Yes, if there are no Exceptions then there is no Exception report.

Be aware that the Exception report and Validation report and other logs are only saved in Projects and not for standalone GEDCOM files.

Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John James
Sent: 14 December 2020 12:44
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH Exception Report

 


Thanks all for your responses.

 

Mike, that's far too simple and obvious! 😋

 

Do I assume correctly, then, that if there are no exceptions, no file is produced?  It might be more reassuring to see a log file that stated that positively, rather than being implied by its absence.

 

John



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Re: FH Exception Report

Mike Tate
 

Yes, if there are no Exceptions then there is no Exception report.

Be aware that the Exception report and Validation report and other logs are only saved in Projects and not for standalone GEDCOM files.

Mike Tate

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of John James
Sent: 14 December 2020 12:44
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH Exception Report

 


Thanks all for your responses.

 

Mike, that's far too simple and obvious! 😋

 

Do I assume correctly, then, that if there are no exceptions, no file is produced?  It might be more reassuring to see a log file that stated that positively, rather than being implied by its absence.

 

John


Re: FH Exception Report

John James
 


Thanks all for your responses.

Mike, that's far too simple and obvious! 😋

Do I assume correctly, then, that if there are no exceptions, no file is produced?  It might be more reassuring to see a log file that stated that positively, rather than being implied by its absence.

John


Re: Format Citation in reports.

Mike Tate
 

John,

If you simply want the old style of Report but with Sources without Titles use the Tools > Preferences > Sources tab and the Generic Source Formats… button.

That now sets the Sources settings for Reports globally and you can untick Titles, tick Notes, etc.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 14 December 2020 11:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Format Citation in reports.

 

I am reticent to post an FH7 query as I eagerly awaited the update and it looks great. I am trying to get myself through the learning curve and use the help file as much as possible so as to not add to the deluge of queries.

However I have hit something I cant work out.
Following advice received a few months ago I had set up my sources with a Manual set of titles which work for me when searching the source list and to avoid these "non standard" titles appearing on reports I would manually type in the source citation using The Strathclyde Standard as a source note. I then set my preferences on reports such that only the source note was printed on reports. This worked really well.

So for example I might have a source titled BLOGGS Fred [567] Parish Baptism 1865. with source citation in note field of Baptisms (PR). England. Hinckley, Leicestershire. 1865. BLOGGS Fred. Baptisms. Leicester Records Office.
When I printed say a narrative report only the citation note was printed which is what I wanted. Now in version 7 I cant work out how to stop it printing my custom title as well as the note despite trying almost every tick box on the sources print options.

Am I missing something obvious?

John Firr


Re: FH V7

Mike Tate
 

I cannot see any difference between GEDCOM 5.5 and 5.5.1 regarding PEDI tags.

But FH also has _PEDI tags for other than the four relationships allowed by GEDCOM.

It just struck me as very odd that every upset _FAMC tag had PEDI/_PEDI tags.

It would be worth reporting to CP.

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of colevalleygirl@...
Sent: 14 December 2020 10:34
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH V7

 

ATTN Mike: Highly technical question: Could the changes to the PEDI tags from Gedcom 5.5 to 5.5.1 be involved in the unlinked families?


Re: Format Citation in reports.

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Does https://fhug.org.uk/kb/kb-article/customising-v7-to-use-v6-style-sources/ from the KnowledgeBase help, particularly the section on Bibliography and Footnotes?

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of johnfirr via groups.io
Sent: 14 December 2020 11:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Format Citation in reports.

 


However I have hit something I cant work out.
Following advice received a few months ago I had set up my sources with a Manual set of titles which work for me when searching the source list and to avoid these "non standard" titles appearing on reports I would manually type in the source citation using The Strathclyde Standard as a source note. I then set my preferences on reports such that only the source note was printed on reports. This worked really well.

So for example I might have a source titled BLOGGS Fred [567] Parish Baptism 1865. with source citation in note field of Baptisms (PR). England. Hinckley, Leicestershire. 1865. BLOGGS Fred. Baptisms. Leicester Records Office.
When I printed say a narrative report only the citation note was printed which is what I wanted. Now in version 7 I cant work out how to stop it printing my custom title as well as the note despite trying almost every tick box on the sources print options.



Format Citation in reports.

johnfirr@...
 

I am reticent to post an FH7 query as I eagerly awaited the update and it looks great. I am trying to get myself through the learning curve and use the help file as much as possible so as to not add to the deluge of queries.

However I have hit something I cant work out.
Following advice received a few months ago I had set up my sources with a Manual set of titles which work for me when searching the source list and to avoid these "non standard" titles appearing on reports I would manually type in the source citation using The Strathclyde Standard as a source note. I then set my preferences on reports such that only the source note was printed on reports. This worked really well.

So for example I might have a source titled BLOGGS Fred [567] Parish Baptism 1865. with source citation in note field of Baptisms (PR). England. Hinckley, Leicestershire. 1865. BLOGGS Fred. Baptisms. Leicester Records Office.
When I printed say a narrative report only the citation note was printed which is what I wanted. Now in version 7 I cant work out how to stop it printing my custom title as well as the note despite trying almost every tick box on the sources print options.

Am I missing something obvious?

John Firr


Re: "How to" resources for getting started

John Hanson
 

Lester

Without a year or an idea of the period is difficult to be certain but it is possible to add or change a child’s name on their birth certificate within the first 12 months

These would then be the handwritten entries at the bottom of the page
Find the entry for the child in as “female smith” and then search using FreeBMD on the volume page and see if there is an addition entry – the page number will normally be followed by an S

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 



 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Gilbert
Sent: 14 December 2020 09:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] "How to" resources for getting started

 

Two questions, please.  The little question is how to properly record a person who was not given a name at birth, since they were not expected to live.  Their birth certificate simply records their family name, let's say "Smith".  However, they survived, and were given the nickname "Kitty" for the, ah, sound they made when they sneezed.  In all further documents, such as their marriage, death, and probate, they were noted as "Kitty Smith".  Do I create a FH person record with name (1) "() Smith", (2) "(Kitty) Smith", (3) "(no name) (Kitty) Smith", (4) "No name (Kitty) Smith", (5) "Kitty Smith", (6) "Kitty (no name at birth) Smith", ...?

The big question is where to find this "how to" detail.  I've got the Dummies Guide, but that is about where to find information, nice but not a problem for me.  I've got ESM's "Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian", but that's about referencing, again nice but not a problem for me.  What is the book or on-line resource I need for how to record facts?  Many thanks!


Re: FH V7

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

ATTN Mike: Highly technical question: Could the changes to the PEDI tags from Gedcom 5.5 to 5.5.1 be involved in the unlinked families?


Re: FH Exception Report

Mike Tate
 

Guys, the easiest method is via Window > Log Files… command.

 

Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Terry Jacombs
Sent: 14 December 2020 09:02
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] FH Exception Report

 

Hello again

 

Just checked and the file was in the location I gave previously - in my case the file name was "2020-12-11 13.12  Gedcom Report.txt" the figures being the date and time i opened the project for the first time in V7.

 

Kind Regards

Terry Jacombs

 

 

 

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:47, Terry Jacombs via groups.io <terryjacombs=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello

 

My recollection is that the exception report from my upgrade from v6 to v7 was stored in C:Users/YOURUSERNAME/AppDate/Local/Temp (replace YOURUSERNAME with the name of your account on the PC). I would imagine that other error logs from GEDCOM loads etc would also be placed in there.

 

All sorts of temporary stuff goes in there so it can be hard to spot a particular file sometimes - in principal anything in there can be deleted as it is only used for transient files by installers, loggers, debuggers etc, but other than using storage there is no problem just leaving it there.

 

Kind Regards

Terry Jacombs

 

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:33, Derek Kain <genealogist15@...> wrote:

Hello John,

Open File Explorer and click on Local disc (in my case it is C:) and in search type 'Exception'.

Wait. If nothing is found then there is no Exception Report to view.

Derek

 

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:11, John James <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:

Hello Derek,

 

I cannot find any such folder anywhere in this project's folder structure.

 

John

 

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 07:27 Derek Kain, <genealogist15@...> wrote:

Hello John,

Try looking in the log files directory within the project folder.

Derek

 

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 23:18, David Potter via groups.io <David.potter5=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

I'm no expert here. But I think the report is created when you import a gedcom file from another product.

 

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 23:15 John James, <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:

Probably being dim, but where does one find the FH Exception Report?  E.g. after opening an old Project /Gedcom file in FH7 for the first time.  I've looked through the Help, and whilst exception reports are mentioned, their location isn't.  Or is this something that's only displayed in case of need, and isn't a physical file on disk?

 

Thanks, 

John


 

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Re: "How to" resources for getting started

David Wilkinson
 


I would record the name as Kitty Smith and in the birth record make a note that at registration the child was unnamed. That is assuming that in a marriage and death, and perhaps other records she was also known as Kitty.

On 14/12/2020 09:38, Lester Gilbert wrote:
Two questions, please.  The little question is how to properly record a person who was not given a name at birth, since they were not expected to live.  Their birth certificate simply records their family name, let's say "Smith".  However, they survived, and were given the nickname "Kitty" for the, ah, sound they made when they sneezed.  In all further documents, such as their marriage, death, and probate, they were noted as "Kitty Smith".  Do I create a FH person record with name (1) "() Smith", (2) "(Kitty) Smith", (3) "(no name) (Kitty) Smith", (4) "No name (Kitty) Smith", (5) "Kitty Smith", (6) "Kitty (no name at birth) Smith", ...?

The big question is where to find this "how to" detail.  I've got the Dummies Guide, but that is about where to find information, nice but not a problem for me.  I've got ESM's "Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian", but that's about referencing, again nice but not a problem for me.  What is the book or on-line resource I need for how to record facts?  Many thanks!

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Re: "How to" resources for getting started

Jenny Cochrane
 

Hi Lester

Perhaps someone else will know better, but I don't think there is a "rule" for this, everybody will have their own way of recording these anomalies. I think it's just important to be consistent and to record info in a way that is meaningful and self explanatory.

I think you need to record that this is KITTY Smith, having only her surname in the name field will prove very confusing. Though not offically named at birth, she was de facto Kitty Smith. How you then record the anomaly is optional.Unless you specifically want it specified in the name field "Kitty (no name at birth) Smith", you could add it as a note attached to the birth fact or in the alternate name field.


Re: "How to" resources for getting started

Pauline Parnell
 

I’ve got several children named “Stillborn son”, “Stillborn daughter” and “Stillborn twin”, recorded as much to explain the gaps in birth dates as to show their existence. It’s very much a personal choice.

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 09:38, Lester Gilbert <lg11@...> wrote:
Two questions, please.  The little question is how to properly record a person who was not given a name at birth, since they were not expected to live.  Their birth certificate simply records their family name, let's say "Smith".  However, they survived, and were given the nickname "Kitty" for the, ah, sound they made when they sneezed.  In all further documents, such as their marriage, death, and probate, they were noted as "Kitty Smith".  Do I create a FH person record with name (1) "() Smith", (2) "(Kitty) Smith", (3) "(no name) (Kitty) Smith", (4) "No name (Kitty) Smith", (5) "Kitty Smith", (6) "Kitty (no name at birth) Smith", ...?

The big question is where to find this "how to" detail.  I've got the Dummies Guide, but that is about where to find information, nice but not a problem for me.  I've got ESM's "Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian", but that's about referencing, again nice but not a problem for me.  What is the book or on-line resource I need for how to record facts?  Many thanks!


Re: "How to" resources for getting started

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

I’d call her Kitty Smith. Was she baptised? Or (if she was born after Civil Registration) does her birth certificate record a name given after birth?

 

In any case, you’d record the documents you have as a source for her name (including the birth certificate, as that’s a source for her surname, as well as the fact she wasn’t named when registered).

 

As you’ve got ESM’s book, you’re probably happy with recording sources and citing them – shout if you aren’t. Simply linking images to an individual has a large number of drawbacks.

 

On to your big question: where to find this ‘how to’ detail.  You won’t find a single source that provides the info to the nth degree – there are a lot of books that cover the simple issues, but for stuff like this, the best way is to ask on this mailing list or in the FHUG forums.

 

Helen

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lester Gilbert
Sent: 14 December 2020 09:39
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] "How to" resources for getting started

 

Two questions, please.  The little question is how to properly record a person who was not given a name at birth, since they were not expected to live.  Their birth certificate simply records their family name, let's say "Smith".  However, they survived, and were given the nickname "Kitty" for the, ah, sound they made when they sneezed.  In all further documents, such as their marriage, death, and probate, they were noted as "Kitty Smith".  Do I create a FH person record with name (1) "() Smith", (2) "(Kitty) Smith", (3) "(no name) (Kitty) Smith", (4) "No name (Kitty) Smith", (5) "Kitty Smith", (6) "Kitty (no name at birth) Smith", ...?

The big question is where to find this "how to" detail.  I've got the Dummies Guide, but that is about where to find information, nice but not a problem for me.  I've got ESM's "Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian", but that's about referencing, again nice but not a problem for me.  What is the book or on-line resource I need for how to record facts?  Many thanks!


Re: "How to" resources for getting started

Trevor Rix
 

My method would be to record her as Kitty Smith. Then link the image of her birth cerfificate to her. That way Kitty will have a presence in FH as the name she was known by, and you have the linked in evidence of her birth certificate that shows that she had no forename when the birth was registered.


"How to" resources for getting started

Lester Gilbert
 

Two questions, please.  The little question is how to properly record a person who was not given a name at birth, since they were not expected to live.  Their birth certificate simply records their family name, let's say "Smith".  However, they survived, and were given the nickname "Kitty" for the, ah, sound they made when they sneezed.  In all further documents, such as their marriage, death, and probate, they were noted as "Kitty Smith".  Do I create a FH person record with name (1) "() Smith", (2) "(Kitty) Smith", (3) "(no name) (Kitty) Smith", (4) "No name (Kitty) Smith", (5) "Kitty Smith", (6) "Kitty (no name at birth) Smith", ...?

The big question is where to find this "how to" detail.  I've got the Dummies Guide, but that is about where to find information, nice but not a problem for me.  I've got ESM's "Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian", but that's about referencing, again nice but not a problem for me.  What is the book or on-line resource I need for how to record facts?  Many thanks!


Re: FH Exception Report

Terry Jacombs
 

Hello again

Just checked and the file was in the location I gave previously - in my case the file name was "2020-12-11 13.12  Gedcom Report.txt" the figures being the date and time i opened the project for the first time in V7.

Kind Regards
Terry Jacombs



On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:47, Terry Jacombs via groups.io <terryjacombs=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello

My recollection is that the exception report from my upgrade from v6 to v7 was stored in C:Users/YOURUSERNAME/AppDate/Local/Temp (replace YOURUSERNAME with the name of your account on the PC). I would imagine that other error logs from GEDCOM loads etc would also be placed in there.

All sorts of temporary stuff goes in there so it can be hard to spot a particular file sometimes - in principal anything in there can be deleted as it is only used for transient files by installers, loggers, debuggers etc, but other than using storage there is no problem just leaving it there.

Kind Regards
Terry Jacombs

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:33, Derek Kain <genealogist15@...> wrote:
Hello John,
Open File Explorer and click on Local disc (in my case it is C:) and in search type 'Exception'.
Wait. If nothing is found then there is no Exception Report to view.
Derek

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:11, John James <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:
Hello Derek,

I cannot find any such folder anywhere in this project's folder structure.

John

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 07:27 Derek Kain, <genealogist15@...> wrote:
Hello John,
Try looking in the log files directory within the project folder.
Derek

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 23:18, David Potter via groups.io <David.potter5=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm no expert here. But I think the report is created when you import a gedcom file from another product.

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 23:15 John James, <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:
Probably being dim, but where does one find the FH Exception Report?  E.g. after opening an old Project /Gedcom file in FH7 for the first time.  I've looked through the Help, and whilst exception reports are mentioned, their location isn't.  Or is this something that's only displayed in case of need, and isn't a physical file on disk?

Thanks, 
John



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Re: FH Exception Report

Terry Jacombs
 

Hello

My recollection is that the exception report from my upgrade from v6 to v7 was stored in C:Users/YOURUSERNAME/AppDate/Local/Temp (replace YOURUSERNAME with the name of your account on the PC). I would imagine that other error logs from GEDCOM loads etc would also be placed in there.

All sorts of temporary stuff goes in there so it can be hard to spot a particular file sometimes - in principal anything in there can be deleted as it is only used for transient files by installers, loggers, debuggers etc, but other than using storage there is no problem just leaving it there.

Kind Regards
Terry Jacombs

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:33, Derek Kain <genealogist15@...> wrote:
Hello John,
Open File Explorer and click on Local disc (in my case it is C:) and in search type 'Exception'.
Wait. If nothing is found then there is no Exception Report to view.
Derek

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:11, John James <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:
Hello Derek,

I cannot find any such folder anywhere in this project's folder structure.

John

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 07:27 Derek Kain, <genealogist15@...> wrote:
Hello John,
Try looking in the log files directory within the project folder.
Derek

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 23:18, David Potter via groups.io <David.potter5=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm no expert here. But I think the report is created when you import a gedcom file from another product.

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 23:15 John James, <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:
Probably being dim, but where does one find the FH Exception Report?  E.g. after opening an old Project /Gedcom file in FH7 for the first time.  I've looked through the Help, and whilst exception reports are mentioned, their location isn't.  Or is this something that's only displayed in case of need, and isn't a physical file on disk?

Thanks, 
John



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Re: FH Exception Report

Derek Kain
 

Hello John,
Open File Explorer and click on Local disc (in my case it is C:) and in search type 'Exception'.
Wait. If nothing is found then there is no Exception Report to view.
Derek

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:11, John James <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:
Hello Derek,

I cannot find any such folder anywhere in this project's folder structure.

John

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 07:27 Derek Kain, <genealogist15@...> wrote:
Hello John,
Try looking in the log files directory within the project folder.
Derek

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 23:18, David Potter via groups.io <David.potter5=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm no expert here. But I think the report is created when you import a gedcom file from another product.

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 23:15 John James, <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:
Probably being dim, but where does one find the FH Exception Report?  E.g. after opening an old Project /Gedcom file in FH7 for the first time.  I've looked through the Help, and whilst exception reports are mentioned, their location isn't.  Or is this something that's only displayed in case of need, and isn't a physical file on disk?

Thanks, 
John


Re: FH Exception Report

John James
 

Hello Derek,

I cannot find any such folder anywhere in this project's folder structure.

John

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020, 07:27 Derek Kain, <genealogist15@...> wrote:
Hello John,
Try looking in the log files directory within the project folder.
Derek

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 23:18, David Potter via groups.io <David.potter5=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I'm no expert here. But I think the report is created when you import a gedcom file from another product.

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020, 23:15 John James, <gladtobegrey@...> wrote:
Probably being dim, but where does one find the FH Exception Report?  E.g. after opening an old Project /Gedcom file in FH7 for the first time.  I've looked through the Help, and whilst exception reports are mentioned, their location isn't.  Or is this something that's only displayed in case of need, and isn't a physical file on disk?

Thanks, 
John

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