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Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

Mike Tate
 

Whether a Marriage or Death certificate gives better information depends on a number of factors.

The following refers to the UK.

Many early Marriage Certificates simply say of Full Age which only tells you they are older than 21.

Whereas a Death Certificate or Burial record gives a specific Age at death.

Later Marriage Certificates do give the spouse’s Ages but no Place of Birth.

Whereas a Death Certificate gives an actual Date and Place of Birth.

So in my opinion a Death Certificate is usually better than a Marriage Certificate.

Also a Census record for a child usually gives an accurate Age and Place of Birth.

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Markham
Sent: 03 February 2020 18:46
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

I would say any marriage certificate would be before death certificate. These would be more important than census details which you can think of as being supplementary to the certification.

This is the first message I have received via the new system and would say it is better than the old one

Victor

On 3 Feb 2020, at 18:25, "David.potter5 via Groups.Io" <googlemail.com@groups.io target=_blank>david.potter5=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Forum.

I'm looking for advice on how to 'weight' birth sources in degree of importance. Of course not all will/may exist in my list below, and some will contain lesser info that others. But I'm looking for a recommendation on how to Rank the following types of Sources that support the Birth of an Individual.

I have one order of importance in mind: Birth Certifcate (if exists), Baptism, Death Certicate (if exists), Burial, Census - 1939, Marriage Certificate (if exists)

Can I have your views please.

Thank you

David Potter


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

Victor Markham
 

I would say any marriage certificate would be before death certificate. These would be more important than census details which you can think of as being supplementary to the certification.

This is the first message I have received via the new system and would say it is better than the old one

Victor

On 3 Feb 2020, at 18:25, "David.potter5 via Groups.Io" <googlemail.com@groups.io target=_blank>david.potter5=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Forum.

I'm looking for advice on how to 'weight' birth sources in degree of importance. Of course not all will/may exist in my list below, and some will contain lesser info that others. But I'm looking for a recommendation on how to Rank the following types of Sources that support the Birth of an Individual.

I have one order of importance in mind: Birth Certifcate (if exists), Baptism, Death Certicate (if exists), Burial, Census - 1939, Marriage Certificate (if exists)

Can I have your views please.

Thank you

David Potter


Re: GEDCOM Duplication

Mike Tate
 

Yes, it advises that you import the MyHeritage GEDCOM into FH as a New Project.

If you have Media that needs to migrate into FH then use the MyHeritage Family Tree Builder rather than the Online Family Tree.

See the Knowledge Base for Importing from MyHeritage and follow all its advice:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:import_from_myheritage

 

Practice using the File > Merge/Compare File command on a copy of your main Project and a subset of MyHeritage data.

The most common mistake users make is forgetting to check EVERY TAB for each type of record in the Merge dialogue.

If you follow the advice carefully then you should avoid any disasters, but if they arise then there is a recovery path using backups.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Geoffrey via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 February 2020 20:44
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GEDCOM Duplication

 

Thank you, Mike.  For the avoidance of doubt, will the procedure in the link you gave avoid or help to avoid the disaster of which you warned?

 

Yours aye,

Geoffrey

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 03 February 2020 19:37
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GEDCOM Duplication

 

Hi Geoffrey

FH has a File > Merge/Compare File command, but there are many pitfalls in using it successfully.

There are options for automatically synchronising duplicate records (not just Individuals but also Sources, Media, etc.)

Do NOT try and merge a GEDCOM file exported from MyHeritage directly with your main Project as that spells DISASTER.

There is much advice in the FUG Knowledge Base in the Merge/Compare File section:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=glossary:merge_compare_files

 

I suggest you join the FHUG and review the advice before proceeding, and ask any further questions in the Forum there.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Geoffrey via Groups.Io
Sent: 02 February 2020 10:35
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] GEDCOM Duplication

 

I wish to align my FH project with a MyHeritage project that is rather larger.  Please tell me, if I seek to transfer a GEDCOM file, how does FH resolve large numbers of duplications?

 

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Re: GEDCOM Duplication

Geoffrey
 

Thank you, Mike.  For the avoidance of doubt, will the procedure in the link you gave avoid or help to avoid the disaster of which you warned?

 

Yours aye,

Geoffrey

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Tate
Sent: 03 February 2020 19:37
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] GEDCOM Duplication

 

Hi Geoffrey

FH has a File > Merge/Compare File command, but there are many pitfalls in using it successfully.

There are options for automatically synchronising duplicate records (not just Individuals but also Sources, Media, etc.)

Do NOT try and merge a GEDCOM file exported from MyHeritage directly with your main Project as that spells DISASTER.

There is much advice in the FUG Knowledge Base in the Merge/Compare File section:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=glossary:merge_compare_files

 

I suggest you join the FHUG and review the advice before proceeding, and ask any further questions in the Forum there.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Geoffrey via Groups.Io
Sent: 02 February 2020 10:35
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] GEDCOM Duplication

 

I wish to align my FH project with a MyHeritage project that is rather larger.  Please tell me, if I seek to transfer a GEDCOM file, how does FH resolve large numbers of duplications?

 


Re: GEDCOM Duplication

Mike Tate
 

Hi Geoffrey

FH has a File > Merge/Compare File command, but there are many pitfalls in using it successfully.

There are options for automatically synchronising duplicate records (not just Individuals but also Sources, Media, etc.)

Do NOT try and merge a GEDCOM file exported from MyHeritage directly with your main Project as that spells DISASTER.

There is much advice in the FUG Knowledge Base in the Merge/Compare File section:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=glossary:merge_compare_files

 

I suggest you join the FHUG and review the advice before proceeding, and ask any further questions in the Forum there.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Geoffrey via Groups.Io
Sent: 02 February 2020 10:35
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] GEDCOM Duplication

 

I wish to align my FH project with a MyHeritage project that is rather larger.  Please tell me, if I seek to transfer a GEDCOM file, how does FH resolve large numbers of duplications?

 


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

Mike Tate
 

Hi David,

Your list is quite rational although early Census records may be more contemporary than later Marriage, Death, or Burial records.

In the Sources For yellow citations panel use the black up/down arrows to move the Source records into the desired precedence order.

Also the Assessment for each Source Citation could say how reliable you believe the information to be.

That should be just for the Birth information in this case, and will partly depend on how contemporary the record is.

i.e. a Birth Certificate or Baptism record is most contemporary with the Birth event, but later records less so, with Death or Burial being least contemporary.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of David.potter5 via Groups.Io
Sent: 03 February 2020 15:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Importance Value of various Birth Sources

 

Hi Forum.

I'm looking for advice on how to 'weight' birth sources in degree of importance. Of course not all will/may exist in my list below, and some will contain lesser info that others. But I'm looking for a recommendation on how to Rank the following types of Sources that support the Birth of an Individual.

I have one order of importance in mind: Birth Certifcate (if exists), Baptism, Death Certicate (if exists), Burial, Census - 1939, Marriage Certificate (if exists)

Can I have your views please.

Thank you

David Potter


Re: Importance Value of various Birth Sources

uhkh3tsccmz9@beconfidential.com
 

David

"Importance" can mean so many things!

In terms of reliability, the nearer a record of the birth / the closer the relative, the more reliable (less likely to being miss-remembered or deliberately manipulated) it is likely to be:

  • A mother will remember in detail the day after
  • The father may be a bit hazy (even the next day) as to exactly which side of midnight the birth actually took place
  • A bride giving her age/date of birth for her wedding certificate may have reason to up it a bit (if under age) or lower it a bit (if older than the groom)
  • A son recording a death may be unreliable as to birth date due to never really being sure, being upset, wanting to record a particular date
  • A care home manager doing the same might simply repeat what the person told them "I'm 92 you know!" (yeah sure!)

In terms of which record a court might take as truth:

  • The Birth certificate is the official document of record, so other evidence would have to be very persuasive to trump the birth certificate

In term of precision some records give to the day, others may only give to a year, some others (e.g.. UK Census) it would have to be calculated from a claimed age (so how old are you in years the day before your birthday?)

In terms of sorting your sources against a birth fact in FH, I would probably follow your suggestions - unless I was uncertain about the reliability of some of the later records

David


GEDCOM Duplication

Geoffrey
 

I wish to align my FH project with a MyHeritage project that is rather larger.  Please tell me, if I seek to transfer a GEDCOM file, how does FH resolve large numbers of duplications?


Importance Value of various Birth Sources

David Potter
 

Hi Forum.

I'm looking for advice on how to 'weight' birth sources in degree of importance. Of course not all will/may exist in my list below, and some will contain lesser info that others. But I'm looking for a recommendation on how to Rank the following types of Sources that support the Birth of an Individual.

I have one order of importance in mind: Birth Certifcate (if exists), Baptism, Death Certicate (if exists), Burial, Census - 1939, Marriage Certificate (if exists)

Can I have your views please.

Thank you

David Potter


Re: Ancestral Sources

JulieSpav
 

Many thanks Mike, I'm using method 1 and I've found it on the source now.

I've followed the user guide so I've carried out the editing too!

Best regards, Julie


Re: Ancestral Sources

Mike Tate
 

Hi Julie,

It depends on whether your have set Ancestral Sources to use Method 1 (the default) or Method 2.

But assuming Method 1 then that Auto Text is added to the Source record Text From Source field.

It should be edited to be an accurate transcript of the Source document, as Ancestral Sources only attempts a machine generated similarity.

 

See the FHUG Ancestral Sources Tutorials that explain the process in much more detail:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=ancestralsources:index

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of JulieSpav via Groups.Io
Sent: 01 February 2020 19:40
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Ancestral Sources

 

Hi everyone,

I'm using Ancestral Sources to enter Census entries to FH. Can someone tell me where the "Text" element transfers to in FH as I can't see it?

Its probably really simple once you know!

Many thanks

Julie

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Ancestral Sources

JulieSpav
 

Hi everyone,

I'm using Ancestral Sources to enter Census entries to FH. Can someone tell me where the "Text" element transfers to in FH as I can't see it?

Its probably really simple once you know!

Many thanks

Julie


Re: Family Historian on Linux

Jon
 

Thanks Mike, I shall take a look at this.
Regards
Jon


Re: Exporting gedcom file

Brian D
 

Thanks, Mike.  Although my uploads to Ancestry  etc are pretty basic and purely to enable any DNA matches to get some idea of who's who, I think I'll get the plug-in and be on the safe side.

Thanks 
Brian


Re: Exporting gedcom file

Mike Tate
 

Hi Brian,

Yes, if your trees are uncomplicated and you only want to use Ancestry DNA then File > Import/Export > Export > GEDCOM File will often be OK.

As you say, you must remember to choose UTF-8 and omit all the Media.

 

But there are many features of FH that are not supported by Ancestry.

e.g. Custom Attributes, the Age and Address fields, Fact Witnesses, Place records, etc.

Also to enable Census matching, Ancestry prefers Residence facts to Census events.

The Export Gedcom File Plugin has an Ancestry setting that handles all that and more, as well as the UTF-8 and exclude Media modes.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian D
Sent: 30 January 2020 13:52
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Exporting gedcom file

 

Hello,
I'm a little puzzled by this.  I have uploaded several small Gedcom trees to Ancestry DNA, but I've never (knowingly!) installed any plug-ins.  My version of FH is 6.2.7 - which i think is the most recent - and under the Export Gedcom file menu it seems to only offer UFH-8.  I recall just following the Ancestry (and FamilyTreeDNA, for that ,matter) instructions and after a false start resulting from not omitting the media. all went very well.

Cheers,
Brian


Re: Family Historian on Linux

Mike Tate
 

Jon, There is a lot of advice and Linux FH users on the FHUG website.

 

The FHUG Knowledge Base has Family Historian V6 & Ancestral Sources V5 on Crossover, PlayOnLinux/Mac & Wine:

https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:family_historian_v6_on_crossover_wine

 

Ask in the https://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/ and you will get plenty of detailed advice from those that have gone before.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon
Sent: 30 January 2020 14:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Family Historian on Linux

 

Thank you David, I will explore your scenario further. I really want to go back to using FH.
Cheers.
Jon


Re: Exporting gedcom file

Brian D
 

Hello,
I'm a little puzzled by this.  I have uploaded several small Gedcom trees to Ancestry DNA, but I've never (knowingly!) installed any plug-ins.  My version of FH is 6.2.7 - which i think is the most recent - and under the Export Gedcom file menu it seems to only offer UFH-8.  I recall just following the Ancestry (and FamilyTreeDNA, for that ,matter) instructions and after a false start resulting from not omitting the media. all went very well.

Cheers,
Brian


Re: Family Historian on Linux

Jon
 

Thank you David, I will explore your scenario further. I really want to go back to using FH.
Cheers.
Jon


Re: Family Historian on Linux

uhkh3tsccmz9@beconfidential.com
 

I have successfully been running 99.?%? of fh functionality on Linux for almost two and a half years (specifically Lubuntu 16.04 and then 18.04 with Wine 4.0.3 - emulating Windows 7) Wine 5.0 has recently become available.

I installed Wine through the Software repository and then downloaded the FH instal program into the download directory of my "wine C drive". Then I seem to remember that I ran the install program by right clicking on the file and selecting "Open With > Wine Windows Program Loader". In genealogical terms I got Bob as my mother's brother!

I then tweaked things to get the Menu option that I wanted copying the set up for another program that installed with Wine (possibly notepad or even the default FH menu option which was deep in the Wine Menu system off the Start Button - I cannot now recall, but it was a minimal hassle tweak) and moved directories around to get them where I wanted them (using simlinks/shortcuts to maintain things the same as far as the program was concerned)

The FH supplied pdf driver does not work under Wine but other options are available under Linux. Other than that I am not aware of any FH problems

Some dialogue boxes can be a touch messy because the fonts on the buttons are a bit too big for the text to fit. Expanding the Dialogue box often cures this and if I fiddled with the Wine Configuration (for me; Start Menu>q4wine>Default>system>winecfg) I might improve it further.

David


Re: Family Historian on Linux

mchance@...
 

Hi Jon

I have an Apple mac and have been using Crossover (which uses Wine) for a number of years with great success. I've found it very easy to install and use and FH works extremely well on it.

Michael

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