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Re: TItels

Mike Tate
 

No, sorry, that is not possible.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of jbullee@...
Sent: 28 October 2020 17:17
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] TItels

 

I have a question,

i am making a peditree from monarchie's and is it possible that you when you ad a child or parents it automaticle takeover the Tile's as prince or count so i don't have to ad this by every person seperat, 

Also the people belong to a dynasty and my question in this is also can you ad this automatic to every children and parents ? (aspecialy with to follow the Male line in this ?

i hope this is possible

Jan


Re: Colour coded identfication of maternal and paternal Lines

Laurel
 

Jane, works brilliantly, thank you so much.

On 28-Oct-20 6:14 PM, Jane Taubman wrote:
Select other and paste in the string to the expression.  Remember to change the record IDs to match your parents 


 Do I right click the header on the Individual Records column to bring up the Configure Columns table, then select..... ummm???



Re: Colour coded identfication of maternal and paternal Lines

Jane Taubman
 

Select other and paste in the string to the expression.  Remember to change the record IDs to match your parents 


 Do I right click the header on the Individual Records column to bring up the Configure Columns table, then select..... ummm???



Re: Colour coded identfication of maternal and paternal Lines

Laurel
 

Thanks for the suggestion Brian.  I dont know much about flags, but in this case would I have to manually add the Flag to each individual? With 4,000 entries that would be a tad onerous.  I am looking for a method that would automatically identify whether an individual already in FH was on my paternal or maternal line and add a marker automatically to any new entries.


On 28-Oct-20 5:26 PM, Brian Horridge via groups.io wrote:
Laurel

Have you thought about using Flags - one for each line.  Then you can use different Icons in diagrams to show against the relevant boxes.

Brian

On 28/10/2020 15:46, Laurel wrote:
Hi, I have about 4,000 names in my family tree and want to be able to identify which individuals are on my maternal line, and which are on my paternal line. I suppose I could do this by adding a new Attribute in some way, either as a coloured square or choice of letter P or M (??) and including it as a column in my Individual Records List?  Or is there a better way to flag up the two lines?  And can it be done automatically everytime I add another person to my tree?

Any suggestions welcome.
Kind regards
Laurel

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Re: Colour coded identfication of maternal and paternal Lines

Laurel
 

Thanks Jane.  However, I really am a bit technically shaky! I realise that once I get to the right place I can just copy and paste your text, but where? Do I right click the header on the Individual Records column to bring up the Configure Columns table, then select..... ummm???

Cheers

laurel

On 28-Oct-20 5:10 PM, Jane Taubman wrote:
You can't colour code,  but something like this as a column should work.

=Text(TextIf(IsTrue(IsRelativeOf(Record(3,"I"),%INDI%)) and IsTrue(RelationCode(Record(3,"I"),%INDI%,SPOUSE_START,1) = 0),"P","") . TextIf(IsTrue(IsRelativeOf(Record(3,"I"),%INDI%)) and IsTrue(RelationCode(Record(4,"I"),%INDI%,SPOUSE_START,1) = 0),"M",""))

Just replace Record(3 and Record(4 with the IDs of your parents).


Re: Colour coded identfication of maternal and paternal Lines

Brian Horridge
 

Laurel

Have you thought about using Flags - one for each line.  Then you can use different Icons in diagrams to show against the relevant boxes.

Brian

On 28/10/2020 15:46, Laurel wrote:
Hi, I have about 4,000 names in my family tree and want to be able to identify which individuals are on my maternal line, and which are on my paternal line. I suppose I could do this by adding a new Attribute in some way, either as a coloured square or choice of letter P or M (??) and including it as a column in my Individual Records List?  Or is there a better way to flag up the two lines?  And can it be done automatically everytime I add another person to my tree?

Any suggestions welcome.
Kind regards
Laurel

Virus-free. www.avg.com


TItels

jbullee@...
 

I have a question,

i am making a peditree from monarchie's and is it possible that you when you ad a child or parents it automaticle takeover the Tile's as prince or count so i don't have to ad this by every person seperat, 

Also the people belong to a dynasty and my question in this is also can you ad this automatic to every children and parents ? (aspecialy with to follow the Male line in this ?

i hope this is possible

Jan


Re: Colour coded identfication of maternal and paternal Lines

Jane Taubman
 

You can't colour code,  but something like this as a column should work.

=Text(TextIf(IsTrue(IsRelativeOf(Record(3,"I"),%INDI%)) and IsTrue(RelationCode(Record(3,"I"),%INDI%,SPOUSE_START,1) = 0),"P","") . TextIf(IsTrue(IsRelativeOf(Record(3,"I"),%INDI%)) and IsTrue(RelationCode(Record(4,"I"),%INDI%,SPOUSE_START,1) = 0),"M",""))

Just replace Record(3 and Record(4 with the IDs of your parents).


Colour coded identfication of maternal and paternal Lines

Laurel
 

Hi, I have about 4,000 names in my family tree and want to be able to identify which individuals are on my maternal line, and which are on my paternal line. I suppose I could do this by adding a new Attribute in some way, either as a coloured square or choice of letter P or M (??) and including it as a column in my Individual Records List?  Or is there a better way to flag up the two lines?  And can it be done automatically everytime I add another person to my tree?

Any suggestions welcome.
Kind regards
Laurel


Re: Nicknames, diminutives, shortenings

Trevor Rix
 

I record all people with their birth names. Then, Property Box > All tab > right click the person > Add Name. These alternative names/nicknames show as aka in my diagrams. I email pdf copies of relevant diagrams to interested parties, which means they can view all of these names.


Re: Nicknames, diminutives, shortenings

Jenny Cochrane
 

There are various ways you could do this. So long as you are consistent I think it is personal choice.

One option would be to record the name as Solomon (Solly) Surname. And then the other names used as either alternative or nicknames. I think it’s quite unusual for an individual to use so many different variations on a name.

For your father, you will always know who “Solly” is but for more distant relatives it’s important to record their official name assuming this is how they were described in official documents.

Jenny


Nicknames, diminutives, shortenings

Lester Gilbert
 

For some reason my family never called anyone by their given names.  I didn't know my father was Solomon until I saw my birth certificate 30 years later.  He was usually Solly, sometimes Sol, and "Judge" if someone wanted to point out the error of his ways.  These don't seem to qualify as Alternate names, but that just leaves Nicknames.  Is that where they all should go, in a comma-separated list?

When passing a GEDCOM file to relatives, more than one has emailed back in haste, Who is Solomon? when they first glance at the profiles.  Can the display name could be set as Solly Gilbert, while keeping the official given name, etc, intact, perhaps some special or hidden field?  Or should I make up a special file with the given name as, Solomon "Solly", or perhaps, Solomon (Solly)?


Re: Righting a wrongly enumerated name in census

Lester Gilbert
 

Have gone with "Alternate name", thanks.


Re: Righting a wrongly enumerated name in census

Adrian Bruce
 

As Lorna says, the original cannot be changed (if you were indeed contemplating that). Different online sites treat "corrections" differently. 

FamilySearch has only just started accepting "corrections" and even then, not for all datasets - it seems to depend on where the index has come from.

FindMyPast only allow one value at once for the index, and that must match the paper original. They will correct a transcript error - if they believe that the new value matches the original. Correcting an error in the original is not accepted by them, nor are other "useful" variants.

Ancestry, on the other hand, allows multiple values for a name on the index, so it is possible to correct errors in the original, or add variations, so that both the original and any corrections point to the same record. So, I can "correct" the Army clerk's rendering of my relative's name - the clerk wrote Pigstock, the index includes that Pigstock, but it now also includes an additional index of Pickstock pointing to that record. 

When it came to entering the Source Record for him in Family Historian, I created the title using the name as it is on the paper but added the correct version using "sic" - thus, something like "Muster Roll for Isaac Pigstock [sic - Pickstock] .... " - square brackets being a recognized convention for "this is not in the original". 

Whether to add an Alternate Name is a matter of debate. I tend not to do it with one off errors in originals, but consistent variants (such as Pigstock for Pickstock) are another matter. 

NB - I've been talking about "errors" in originals (or indexes) but it's often a moot point whether it's an error or a variant.

Adrian


Re: Righting a wrongly enumerated name in census

Lorna Craig
 

I’m afraid there is no way of getting the original census record changed.  If you think there has been a (modern) transcription error when the census household was indexed by one of the genealogy websites you can submit a correction to them, but if the image of the original record shows that it does say CHIP that cannot be changed.

 

It was not uncommon for names to be recorded incorrectly by a census enumerator, either because he (it would have been a he) was not good at spelling or because the name itself was unfamiliar, as in this case.  I have found as many as a dozen different spellings of some names.  In the case you have described it was probably just the enumerator’s own guess at the spelling, but bear in mind also that the ‘accepted’ spelling of a name may have evolved over time, and individuals themselves sometimes chose to change their names slightly, especially if they wanted to ‘anglicise’ a foreign name.  As a genealogist your role is to record faithfully what has been written in the original records and then, if appropriate, record why you think person X is really person Y, under a slightly different name.  

 

There are various ways of searching for people who seem to be ‘missing’ because names have been recorded wrongly.  Surnames can be searched with the use of ‘wild cards’ or ‘variant spellings’.  If that doesn’t work you can often have success by searching for someone with a particular forename and age range and birth place. 

 

In Family Historian you can add alternate names by clicking on ‘more...’ to the right of the name in the Property Box.  Alternate names can be included in reports and diagram text schemes in addition to the primary name.  So I would keep the primary name as SHIPP but add an alternate name of CHIP.   When you record the 1891 census use the note field for the fact to say they family name was ‘Chip’ in this census.

 

Lorna

 

 

From: Lester Gilbert
Sent: 27 October 2020 09:54
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Righting a wrongly enumerated name in census

 

Apologies if this has been explained before, but can't find the topic currently.

Family SHIPP, recently arrived from Poland in 1890 in Whitechapel, London, were enumerated in the 1891 census as CHIP.  Entirely understandable, but as a result they were lost to view for quite some time (smile).  Two questions, please.

How might I go about getting the official census record changed?

How might I record this information in Family Historian?  I'd like to keep the references to CHIP, and the link to the official census record, as prominent as possible to help others in their search, but want to name my ancestors correctly as SHIPP.  (A little wrinkle is that the 1901 census enumerated the family, still in Whitechapel, as SHIP, I guess Emanuel's diction had improved a little, but I've fudged that, I'm guessing most searchers will know to search SHIP and SHIPP....)

_._,_._,_

 


Righting a wrongly enumerated name in census

Lester Gilbert
 

Apologies if this has been explained before, but can't find the topic currently.

Family SHIPP, recently arrived from Poland in 1890 in Whitechapel, London, were enumerated in the 1891 census as CHIP.  Entirely understandable, but as a result they were lost to view for quite some time (smile).  Two questions, please.

How might I go about getting the official census record changed?

How might I record this information in Family Historian?  I'd like to keep the references to CHIP, and the link to the official census record, as prominent as possible to help others in their search, but want to name my ancestors correctly as SHIPP.  (A little wrinkle is that the 1901 census enumerated the family, still in Whitechapel, as SHIP, I guess Emanuel's diction had improved a little, but I've fudged that, I'm guessing most searchers will know to search SHIP and SHIPP....)

Many thanks!


Re: Census text scheme out of order

Don McQuade
 

Hi,

Thanks for the prompt responses.

I tend to use the Tools > Re-order Out-of-Sequence Data after I've added a number of individuals but forgot about its use after census entries.

You live and learn!

Thanks,

Don


Re: Census text scheme out of order

Mike Tate
 

Hi Don,

Don’t be fooled by the ‘Facts’ tab, as that sorts the display into Date order.

Whereas, the ‘All’ tab, Diagrams & Reports display facts in database order.

You need to use the Tools > Re-order Out-of-Sequence Data command or one of the other sorting commands.

Otherwise, the facts remain in the order they were entered.

This also applies to the order of Children and Spouses.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Don McQuade via groups.io
Sent: 26 October 2020 16:20
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Census text scheme out of order

 

Hi,

I have noticed that when I use the census text scheme in a diagram the census dates are not always in chronological order in some of the boxes.

I've checked the Facts list and they are in order there. Why not in the diagram?

Thanks in advance,

Don


Re: Census text scheme out of order

Lorna Craig
 

The facts tab of the Property box is sorting the events in chronological order by default, but the underlying data will be in the order it was recorded.  If you look at the All tab of the property box you will see the order there.  One-off cases can be rearranged using the up/down arrows in the All tab, but the quickest way to do a global re-sort is to us Tools > Re-order Out-of-Sequence Data.   You can ask it prompt you before every update, but if there are a lot of records to re-sort just let it do them all at once.  The correct order will then be displayed in diagrams.

Lorna

On 26/10/2020 16:19, Don McQuade via groups.io wrote:
Hi,

I have noticed that when I use the census text scheme in a diagram the census dates are not always in chronological order in some of the boxes.

I've checked the Facts list and they are in order there. Why not in the diagram?

Thanks in advance,

Don


Census text scheme out of order

Don McQuade
 

Hi,

I have noticed that when I use the census text scheme in a diagram the census dates are not always in chronological order in some of the boxes.

I've checked the Facts list and they are in order there. Why not in the diagram?

Thanks in advance,

Don

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