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Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Bill Metcalf
 

Lorna

 

I’m probably being totally thick but can you please tell me where to find <Insert into Diagram> under <Diagram Options>.

 

Thanks.

 

Bill

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 11:49
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

Bill, you refer to “the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant”.  But if she is a true (direct) descendant of the diagram root any descendant of her second marriage will also be direct descendants.  Did you mean to say she is NOT a true descendant, in other words she was the WIFE of a true descendant (her first husband)?

 

If that is the case a Descendants diagram whose root is one of her first husband’s ancestors won’t include her second family.  However it is possible to insert an extra diagram into the first.  Use Diagram Options > Insert into Diagram and insert a Descendants Tree whose root is this wife. Then in this extra diagram hide her descendants from her first marriage (if any) by clicking the expansion button above them, and hide her first husband (who already appears in the main diagram) by right clicking and selecting ‘Hide’.   By using the Movement Control Box (second icon from the right in the diagram toolbar) you should be able to move various elements of the main diagram so that you can position the inserted tree next to the ‘wife’, ideally overlapping her boxes from the two diagrams.  Unless you are used to manipulating diagrams this might seem difficult, but it can be done.

 

Another approach would be to create an All Relatives diagram with the ‘wife’ and her first husband as joint diagram roots.  (Select them BOTH in the records list or in the existing diagram, then click the All Relatives icon.)  This diagram will include all descendants from both marriages of the wife.  However it will also include any other ancestral branches for either of them, in addition to the particular branch descended from the ancestor who was the root of the original Descendants diagram.  You could then hide these unwanted ancestral branches by clicking on the relevant expansion buttons.

 

Lorna

 

From: Bill Metcalf
Sent: 15 September 2020 18:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.

 


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Neil Grantham
 

Great isn't it.
The large print option I picked up a few weeks ago from this list, and was just what I needed for a cousin who wanted to see all the descendants of our mutual grandfather

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Wednesday, 16 September 2020, 14:54:11 BST, Julia Vokes <julia.vokes7@...> wrote:


This thread illustrates why FH is such a brilliant program.  Today I’ve learnt two things, so far, how to print very large trees and how to use a family record as the root

Thanks everyone 😀
Julia


On 16 Sep 2020, at 14:49, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig@...> wrote:



There is guidance on printing large diagrams as a single page PDF in the FHUG Knowledge Base here:  https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:creating_a_single_page_pdf_of_a_diagram#printing-diagramwindow-largecharts

As you will see from the second paragraph, the maximum PDF page size supported by this method is 128" x 128".  So your 6 ft (72 ") chart should be fine. You can do it all using the inbuilt PDF printer in FH.

Lorna

On 16/09/2020 14:34, Bill Metcalf wrote:

Thanks everybody for the information.

 

In return, I’m wondering if the following might be of help:

 

I have a very ‘wide’ tree with 13 generations and nearly 500 entries which is difficult to print. To deal with this, the system I have devised is to –

 

            Install a new PDF printer (Bullzip – Free . . totally easy!)

                        https://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

               Print to a PDF file via Bullzip (Size A0)

                        This results in two pages Landscape (even at A0)

            Then use e.g. Adobe Illustrator to seamlessly join the two pages into one single page

            Take the result to a print shop that has a printer with continuous (roll) paper feed

            Print the result ~ 6 ft long (or scaled to size)

 

I hope this helps although I suspect that there are a variety of alternate approaches.

 

Bill Metcalf

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 13:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Julia Vokes
 

This thread illustrates why FH is such a brilliant program.  Today I’ve learnt two things, so far, how to print very large trees and how to use a family record as the root

Thanks everyone 😀
Julia


On 16 Sep 2020, at 14:49, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig@...> wrote:



There is guidance on printing large diagrams as a single page PDF in the FHUG Knowledge Base here:  https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:creating_a_single_page_pdf_of_a_diagram#printing-diagramwindow-largecharts

As you will see from the second paragraph, the maximum PDF page size supported by this method is 128" x 128".  So your 6 ft (72 ") chart should be fine. You can do it all using the inbuilt PDF printer in FH.

Lorna

On 16/09/2020 14:34, Bill Metcalf wrote:

Thanks everybody for the information.

 

In return, I’m wondering if the following might be of help:

 

I have a very ‘wide’ tree with 13 generations and nearly 500 entries which is difficult to print. To deal with this, the system I have devised is to –

 

            Install a new PDF printer (Bullzip – Free . . totally easy!)

                        https://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

               Print to a PDF file via Bullzip (Size A0)

                        This results in two pages Landscape (even at A0)

            Then use e.g. Adobe Illustrator to seamlessly join the two pages into one single page

            Take the result to a print shop that has a printer with continuous (roll) paper feed

            Print the result ~ 6 ft long (or scaled to size)

 

I hope this helps although I suspect that there are a variety of alternate approaches.

 

Bill Metcalf

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 13:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Lorna Craig
 

There is guidance on printing large diagrams as a single page PDF in the FHUG Knowledge Base here:  https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:creating_a_single_page_pdf_of_a_diagram#printing-diagramwindow-largecharts

As you will see from the second paragraph, the maximum PDF page size supported by this method is 128" x 128".  So your 6 ft (72 ") chart should be fine. You can do it all using the inbuilt PDF printer in FH.

Lorna

On 16/09/2020 14:34, Bill Metcalf wrote:

Thanks everybody for the information.

 

In return, I’m wondering if the following might be of help:

 

I have a very ‘wide’ tree with 13 generations and nearly 500 entries which is difficult to print. To deal with this, the system I have devised is to –

 

            Install a new PDF printer (Bullzip – Free . . totally easy!)

                        https://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

               Print to a PDF file via Bullzip (Size A0)

                        This results in two pages Landscape (even at A0)

            Then use e.g. Adobe Illustrator to seamlessly join the two pages into one single page

            Take the result to a print shop that has a printer with continuous (roll) paper feed

            Print the result ~ 6 ft long (or scaled to size)

 

I hope this helps although I suspect that there are a variety of alternate approaches.

 

Bill Metcalf

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 13:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Bill Metcalf
 

Thanks everybody for the information.

 

In return, I’m wondering if the following might be of help:

 

I have a very ‘wide’ tree with 13 generations and nearly 500 entries which is difficult to print. To deal with this, the system I have devised is to –

 

            Install a new PDF printer (Bullzip – Free . . totally easy!)

                        https://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

               Print to a PDF file via Bullzip (Size A0)

                        This results in two pages Landscape (even at A0)

            Then use e.g. Adobe Illustrator to seamlessly join the two pages into one single page

            Take the result to a print shop that has a printer with continuous (roll) paper feed

            Print the result ~ 6 ft long (or scaled to size)

 

I hope this helps although I suspect that there are a variety of alternate approaches.

 

Bill Metcalf

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 13:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Mike Tate
 

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Bill Metcalf
 

No problem.

This is the assignment for this afternoon.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 13:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

They do have to be spouses.  In other words you are selecting a (single) Family record as the diagram root.  You can't do it with any two random people.

On 16/09/2020 12:46, Fruitbat wrote:
I didn't know you can set two diagram roots.  Thanks for the tip.


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Lorna Craig
 

They do have to be spouses.  In other words you are selecting a (single) Family record as the diagram root.  You can't do it with any two random people.

On 16/09/2020 12:46, Fruitbat wrote:
I didn't know you can set two diagram roots.  Thanks for the tip.


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Fruitbat
 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 11:48 AM, Lorna Craig wrote:
Select them BOTH in the records list or in the existing diagram, then click the All Relatives icon.
I didn't know you can set two diagram roots.  Thanks for the tip. 


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Bill Metcalf
 

Hi Lorna

 

Thank you for this advice.

 

Yes: you are quite correct – there was a missing ‘NOT’ . . . sort of important in the communication: embarrassment!

 

I’ll investigate further.

 

Bill

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 11:49
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

Bill, you refer to “the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant”.  But if she is a true (direct) descendant of the diagram root any descendant of her second marriage will also be direct descendants.  Did you mean to say she is NOT a true descendant, in other words she was the WIFE of a true descendant (her first husband)?

 

If that is the case a Descendants diagram whose root is one of her first husband’s ancestors won’t include her second family.  However it is possible to insert an extra diagram into the first.  Use Diagram Options > Insert into Diagram and insert a Descendants Tree whose root is this wife. Then in this extra diagram hide her descendants from her first marriage (if any) by clicking the expansion button above them, and hide her first husband (who already appears in the main diagram) by right clicking and selecting ‘Hide’.   By using the Movement Control Box (second icon from the right in the diagram toolbar) you should be able to move various elements of the main diagram so that you can position the inserted tree next to the ‘wife’, ideally overlapping her boxes from the two diagrams.  Unless you are used to manipulating diagrams this might seem difficult, but it can be done.

 

Another approach would be to create an All Relatives diagram with the ‘wife’ and her first husband as joint diagram roots.  (Select them BOTH in the records list or in the existing diagram, then click the All Relatives icon.)  This diagram will include all descendants from both marriages of the wife.  However it will also include any other ancestral branches for either of them, in addition to the particular branch descended from the ancestor who was the root of the original Descendants diagram.  You could then hide these unwanted ancestral branches by clicking on the relevant expansion buttons.

 

Lorna

 

From: Bill Metcalf
Sent: 15 September 2020 18:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.

 


Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Lorna Craig
 

Bill, you refer to “the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant”.  But if she is a true (direct) descendant of the diagram root any descendant of her second marriage will also be direct descendants.  Did you mean to say she is NOT a true descendant, in other words she was the WIFE of a true descendant (her first husband)?

 

If that is the case a Descendants diagram whose root is one of her first husband’s ancestors won’t include her second family.  However it is possible to insert an extra diagram into the first.  Use Diagram Options > Insert into Diagram and insert a Descendants Tree whose root is this wife. Then in this extra diagram hide her descendants from her first marriage (if any) by clicking the expansion button above them, and hide her first husband (who already appears in the main diagram) by right clicking and selecting ‘Hide’.   By using the Movement Control Box (second icon from the right in the diagram toolbar) you should be able to move various elements of the main diagram so that you can position the inserted tree next to the ‘wife’, ideally overlapping her boxes from the two diagrams.  Unless you are used to manipulating diagrams this might seem difficult, but it can be done.

 

Another approach would be to create an All Relatives diagram with the ‘wife’ and her first husband as joint diagram roots.  (Select them BOTH in the records list or in the existing diagram, then click the All Relatives icon.)  This diagram will include all descendants from both marriages of the wife.  However it will also include any other ancestral branches for either of them, in addition to the particular branch descended from the ancestor who was the root of the original Descendants diagram.  You could then hide these unwanted ancestral branches by clicking on the relevant expansion buttons.

 

Lorna

 

From: Bill Metcalf
Sent: 15 September 2020 18:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.

 


Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Bill Metcalf
 

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.


Re: List of a specific Christian name

Jane Taubman
 



On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 at 11:02, <geoff@...> wrote:

I can now see that the name Frederick doesn't appear in my tree before 1875.  That's going back to 1770, .  Since then it's become more widely used.
_._,_._,_

The ever useful https://www.behindthename.com has this to say on Frederick

The Normans brought the name to England in the 11th century but it quickly died out. It was reintroduced by the German House of Hanover when they inherited the British throne in the 18th century.


Re: List of a specific Christian name

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

We’ve all stared at a screen and not seen the obvious...  stupid NOT to ask, if you can’t see how to do something!

 

My first Frederick was in 1819... but I only have 3 in my tree.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of geoff@...
Sent: 14 September 2020 11:02
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] List of a specific Christian name

 

Thank you colevaleygirl, that's all I need.  Why didn't I think of that?  I put myself in the `stupid boy' category for even asking!

I can now see that the name Frederick doesn't appear in my tree before 1875.  That's going back to 1770, .  Since then it's become more widely used.
I'm just interested to work out where/why it suddenly got introduced.  Seems I'd need to widen my cousin research in the period before 1875.

Geoff Frederick J


Re: List of a specific Christian name

geoff@...
 

Thank you colevaleygirl, that's all I need.  Why didn't I think of that?  I put myself in the `stupid boy' category for even asking!

I can now see that the name Frederick doesn't appear in my tree before 1875.  That's going back to 1770, .  Since then it's become more widely used.
I'm just interested to work out where/why it suddenly got introduced.  Seems I'd need to widen my cousin research in the period before 1875.

Geoff Frederick J


Re: List of a specific Christian name

Brian Horridge
 

Geoff

Why not add an extra column in the main Records window for just the forename(s).  FH uses the words "Given Names" and there is a "Given" (just the first forename) and Given_All" (all forenames).  You can then simply sort the column by clicking on the column header.

You can also pick out the middle names by using "Middle" (often where family names are re-used in later generations).

Brian

On 13/09/2020 13:12, geoff@johnsonlb.plus.com wrote:
I want to find out where a specific Christian name crops-up in a project.  I can see them fairly easily within a specific surname group, but females can marry and pass-on specific family names with their new surname.  FH display a Name in one lump, but I note when I'm creating a new one, it seems to that forward slashes are displayed momentarily.  Are the names held in a split-up format somewhere?
My objective is to find out when a long-used family name first came into use.
Regards to all.
GeoffJ

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Re: List of a specific Christian name

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

A simple way is to go to the Records Window for Individuals and type the Christian name into the field “First” at the top of the window.

 

An alternative would be a query but try the simple way first.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of geoff@...
Sent: 13 September 2020 13:13
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] List of a specific Christian name

 

I want to find out where a specific Christian name crops-up in a project.  I can see them fairly easily within a specific surname group, but females can marry and pass-on specific family names with their new surname.  FH display a Name in one lump, but I note when I'm creating a new one, it seems to that forward slashes are displayed momentarily.  Are the names held in a split-up format somewhere?
My objective is to find out when a long-used family name first came into use.
Regards to all.
GeoffJ


List of a specific Christian name

geoff@...
 

I want to find out where a specific Christian name crops-up in a project.  I can see them fairly easily within a specific surname group, but females can marry and pass-on specific family names with their new surname.  FH display a Name in one lump, but I note when I'm creating a new one, it seems to that forward slashes are displayed momentarily.  Are the names held in a split-up format somewhere?
My objective is to find out when a long-used family name first came into use.
Regards to all.
GeoffJ


Re: Box size on diagrams

info@...
 

Many thanks, sorted it now.

Ron


Re: How to copy an ID record

m.schuessel@...
 

Thank you I will try that. 

Op do 10 sep. 2020 om 21:25 schreef Mike Tate <post@...>

Hi Marjon,

I suggest you use the ‘Clone Any Record’ plugin available from the Plugin Store.

 

Select the current sister Individual record and run the plugin, which provides a Result Set of all the new cloned data.

 

That will produce an almost identical ‘twin’ sister with the same parents and all the same Individual facts except as outlined below.

 

This new ‘twin’ will NOT be linked to the husband of the original sister.

Therefore, she will NOT have any Family events such as Marriage nor any Children.

Also, she will NOT be a Fact Witness to any facts.

 

However, that should save you a great deal of work.

 

If you are unsatisfied with what the plugin produces, immediately use the Edit > Undo Plugin Updates command or the File > Backup/Restore > Revert to Snapshot command.

 

Regards, Mike Tate

 









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