Bill, you refer to “the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant”.  But if she is a true (direct) descendant of the diagram root any descendant of her second marriage will also be direct descendants.  Did you mean to say she is NOT a true descendant, in other words she was the WIFE of a true descendant (her first husband)?

If that is the case a Descendants diagram whose root is one of her first husband’s ancestors won’t include her second family.  However it is possible to insert an extra diagram into the first.  Use Diagram Options > Insert into Diagram and insert a Descendants Tree whose root is this wife. Then in this extra diagram hide her descendants from her first marriage (if any) by clicking the expansion button above them, and hide her first husband (who already appears in the main diagram) by right clicking and selecting ‘Hide’.   By using the Movement Control Box (second icon from the right in the diagram toolbar) you should be able to move various elements of the main diagram so that you can position the inserted tree next to the ‘wife’, ideally overlapping her boxes from the two diagrams.  Unless you are used to manipulating diagrams this might seem difficult, but it can be done.

Another approach would be to create an All Relatives diagram with the ‘wife’ and her first husband as joint diagram roots.  (Select them BOTH in the records list or in the existing diagram, then click the All Relatives icon.)  This diagram will include all descendants from both marriages of the wife.  However it will also include any other ancestral branches for either of them, in addition to the particular branch descended from the ancestor who was the root of the original Descendants diagram.  You could then hide these unwanted ancestral branches by clicking on the relevant expansion buttons.

Lorna

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.

On 16 Sep 2020, at 14:49, Lorna Craig via groups.io <l.m.craig@...> wrote:



There is guidance on printing large diagrams as a single page PDF in the FHUG Knowledge Base here:  https://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:creating_a_single_page_pdf_of_a_diagram#printing-diagramwindow-largecharts

As you will see from the second paragraph, the maximum PDF page size supported by this method is 128" x 128".  So your 6 ft (72 ") chart should be fine. You can do it all using the inbuilt PDF printer in FH.

Lorna

On 16/09/2020 14:34, Bill Metcalf wrote:

Thanks everybody for the information.

 

In return, I’m wondering if the following might be of help:

 

I have a very ‘wide’ tree with 13 generations and nearly 500 entries which is difficult to print. To deal with this, the system I have devised is to –

 

            Install a new PDF printer (Bullzip – Free . . totally easy!)

                        https://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

               Print to a PDF file via Bullzip (Size A0)

                        This results in two pages Landscape (even at A0)

            Then use e.g. Adobe Illustrator to seamlessly join the two pages into one single page

            Take the result to a print shop that has a printer with continuous (roll) paper feed

            Print the result ~ 6 ft long (or scaled to size)

 

I hope this helps although I suspect that there are a variety of alternate approaches.

 

Bill Metcalf

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 13:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.

Thanks everybody for the information.

 

In return, I’m wondering if the following might be of help:

 

I have a very ‘wide’ tree with 13 generations and nearly 500 entries which is difficult to print. To deal with this, the system I have devised is to –

 

            Install a new PDF printer (Bullzip – Free . . totally easy!)

                        https://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

               Print to a PDF file via Bullzip (Size A0)

                        This results in two pages Landscape (even at A0)

            Then use e.g. Adobe Illustrator to seamlessly join the two pages into one single page

            Take the result to a print shop that has a printer with continuous (roll) paper feed

            Print the result ~ 6 ft long (or scaled to size)

 

I hope this helps although I suspect that there are a variety of alternate approaches.

 

Bill Metcalf

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Tate via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 13:59
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

 

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.

To clarify, strictly speaking, you are not actually choosing two Individual records but their joint Family record as the Diagram Root, so there still is only one root record.

I didn't know you can set two diagram roots.  Thanks for the tip.

I didn't know you can set two diagram roots.  Thanks for the tip.

Bill, you refer to “the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant”.  But if she is a true (direct) descendant of the diagram root any descendant of her second marriage will also be direct descendants.  Did you mean to say she is NOT a true descendant, in other words she was the WIFE of a true descendant (her first husband)?

If that is the case a Descendants diagram whose root is one of her first husband’s ancestors won’t include her second family.  However it is possible to insert an extra diagram into the first.  Use Diagram Options > Insert into Diagram and insert a Descendants Tree whose root is this wife. Then in this extra diagram hide her descendants from her first marriage (if any) by clicking the expansion button above them, and hide her first husband (who already appears in the main diagram) by right clicking and selecting ‘Hide’.   By using the Movement Control Box (second icon from the right in the diagram toolbar) you should be able to move various elements of the main diagram so that you can position the inserted tree next to the ‘wife’, ideally overlapping her boxes from the two diagrams.  Unless you are used to manipulating diagrams this might seem difficult, but it can be done.

Another approach would be to create an All Relatives diagram with the ‘wife’ and her first husband as joint diagram roots.  (Select them BOTH in the records list or in the existing diagram, then click the All Relatives icon.)  This diagram will include all descendants from both marriages of the wife.  However it will also include any other ancestral branches for either of them, in addition to the particular branch descended from the ancestor who was the root of the original Descendants diagram.  You could then hide these unwanted ancestral branches by clicking on the relevant expansion buttons.

Lorna

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.

Thank you colevaleygirl, that's all I need.  Why didn't I think of that?  I put myself in the `stupid boy' category for even asking!

I can now see that the name Frederick doesn't appear in my tree before 1875.  That's going back to 1770, .  Since then it's become more widely used.
I'm just interested to work out where/why it suddenly got introduced.  Seems I'd need to widen my cousin research in the period before 1875.

Geoff Frederick J

I want to find out where a specific Christian name crops-up in a project.  I can see them fairly easily within a specific surname group, but females can marry and pass-on specific family names with their new surname.  FH display a Name in one lump, but I note when I'm creating a new one, it seems to that forward slashes are displayed momentarily.  Are the names held in a split-up format somewhere?
My objective is to find out when a long-used family name first came into use.
Regards to all.
GeoffJ

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I want to find out where a specific Christian name crops-up in a project.  I can see them fairly easily within a specific surname group, but females can marry and pass-on specific family names with their new surname.  FH display a Name in one lump, but I note when I'm creating a new one, it seems to that forward slashes are displayed momentarily.  Are the names held in a split-up format somewhere?
My objective is to find out when a long-used family name first came into use.
Regards to all.
GeoffJ

Hi Marjon,

I suggest you use the ‘Clone Any Record’ plugin available from the Plugin Store.

 

Select the current sister Individual record and run the plugin, which provides a Result Set of all the new cloned data.

 

That will produce an almost identical ‘twin’ sister with the same parents and all the same Individual facts except as outlined below.

 

This new ‘twin’ will NOT be linked to the husband of the original sister.

Therefore, she will NOT have any Family events such as Marriage nor any Children.

Also, she will NOT be a Fact Witness to any facts.

 

However, that should save you a great deal of work.

 

If you are unsatisfied with what the plugin produces, immediately use the Edit > Undo Plugin Updates command or the File > Backup/Restore > Revert to Snapshot command.

 

Regards, Mike Tate