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Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

Julia Vokes
 

I agree with Derek Kain. Before putting my tree onto Ancestry I used the excellent tools in FH to make a copy with all people born less than 100 years ago stripped out. I also removed all my sources, so that only the bare bones went onto Ancestry. It enabled DNA matches to work.
However, I have still had people making erroneous matches and some very basic errors. I have also suffered from people not replying to messages asking them to rectify the mistake, but understand this is very common. Hence why I’m very cautious what I put onto websites and when I find information on other trees.

Regards
Julia


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

Derek Kain
 

Hello readers,
A question, if you want to keep it private for sure why put the private information online?
I don't.
Derek

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 09:55, David Dewick <david.dewick@...> wrote:

Ancestry may have an algorithm for blocking access to  “living people”, however, it does not take a great deal of effort (or skill) to identify them and gather a lot of information about them. I keep my trees on Ancestry private, but searchable so if anyone needs information from my tree it is necessary to contact me for it. My trees are also private in response to requests from other family members to protect as much as possible the information available about them online whilst still being able to continue my research. My Heritage is not the only service provider to offer all kinds of inducements, though, to putting and keeping your tree online, and although some may be worthwhile, the benefits need to be assessed clinically before you get tempted.

 

As far as finding my information on other peoples’ trees, that problem is endemic. The failure to respond to notifications when you discover an error is unforgiveable, but sadly is the case the majority of times. Eventually, errors spread so widely it is all but impossible to get corrections out there. Keeping a tree private does, at least, allow you to control who has access to your research, and keep them up to date with developments.

 

I think I might have a tree from years ago on MyHeritage. I will check and delete it.

 

David Dewick


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

David Dewick
 

Ancestry may have an algorithm for blocking access to  “living people”, however, it does not take a great deal of effort (or skill) to identify them and gather a lot of information about them. I keep my trees on Ancestry private, but searchable so if anyone needs information from my tree it is necessary to contact me for it. My trees are also private in response to requests from other family members to protect as much as possible the information available about them online whilst still being able to continue my research. My Heritage is not the only service provider to offer all kinds of inducements, though, to putting and keeping your tree online, and although some may be worthwhile, the benefits need to be assessed clinically before you get tempted.

 

As far as finding my information on other peoples’ trees, that problem is endemic. The failure to respond to notifications when you discover an error is unforgiveable, but sadly is the case the majority of times. Eventually, errors spread so widely it is all but impossible to get corrections out there. Keeping a tree private does, at least, allow you to control who has access to your research, and keep them up to date with developments.

 

I think I might have a tree from years ago on MyHeritage. I will check and delete it.

 

David Dewick


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

John & Carol King
 

Exactly the same happened to me and My Heritage were very resistant to removing the information as I did not have an account with them, in the end it was removed however.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 at 8:14, Karen Groeneveld
<groeneveld@...> wrote:

Oh yes! My Heritage and privacy are an issue. I naïvely provided information to a relative 20 years ago, that included my own and my young daughters’ birthdates. Then when I moved to FH as my genie platform, I found these details up on My Heritage in a complete stranger’s tree! Without a My Heritage subscription at the time, it took a lot of effort to get the admin people to allow me to contact the person, who was very reluctant to take down the details. A real worry, as I’ve no idea how far the information spread. I think Ancestry has an algorithm in place that blocks access to details for living people and assumes anyone younger than 100 without a death date is ‘living’. Should be mandatory.

 

Karen Groeneveld

Queanbeyan, NSW, Australia


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

Karen Groeneveld
 

Oh yes! My Heritage and privacy are an issue. I naïvely provided information to a relative 20 years ago, that included my own and my young daughters’ birthdates. Then when I moved to FH as my genie platform, I found these details up on My Heritage in a complete stranger’s tree! Without a My Heritage subscription at the time, it took a lot of effort to get the admin people to allow me to contact the person, who was very reluctant to take down the details. A real worry, as I’ve no idea how far the information spread. I think Ancestry has an algorithm in place that blocks access to details for living people and assumes anyone younger than 100 without a death date is ‘living’. Should be mandatory.

 

Karen Groeneveld

Queanbeyan, NSW, Australia


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

Chris
 

I have noticed this too, but haven't done anything about it. I don't believe it is exclusive to matches via Family Historian, rather happens in MyHeritage with any Smart Matches.
Chris


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

Mike Tate
 

Allan, that should make no difference ~ living people data should be kept private according to MH own policy ~ full stop.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Allan Knodel
Sent: 18 August 2020 21:30
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

 

Are you logged in to your account on MH when you click the links? When you log out of your account do you get the same results? Just wondering....

 


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

Allan Knodel
 

Are you logged in to your account on MH when you click the links? When you log out of your account do you get the same results? Just wondering....


On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 at 04:16, Fruitbat <eric.familyhistory@...> wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that results from MyHeritage reveal information about living people appearing in other peoples’ trees?

 

 

For example, the MH match I received for one living individual in my tree, doesn’t only reveal that he is in another tree, it gives his year of birth, lists his parents, his wife (with year of birth), his children (with their years of birth) and his siblings – all of whom are living!

 

Clicking on the links provided for each of the above relatives returns the named individual’s profile page, which is then correctly flagged as <Private>, with no forename or vital information displayed, but it does show the surnames (birth and married) of the mother and of the siblings and half-siblings.

 

These disclosures appear to be in breach of MH’s own policy, which is shown on each individual’s profile page, which says “MyHeritage protects the privacy of its users strictly: information on living people is not disclosed to protect privacy. ...”

This isn't a one-off, it's the same whenever living people appear in the family of a matched individual.


Re: Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

colevalleygirl@colevalleygirl.co.uk
 

Best taken up with MyHeritage I suggest as they control what data is included in hints.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Fruitbat
Sent: 18 August 2020 12:17
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

 

Has anyone else noticed that results from MyHeritage reveal information about living people appearing in other peoples’ trees?

 

 

For example, the MH match I received for one living individual in my tree, doesn’t only reveal that he is in another tree, it gives his year of birth, lists his parents, his wife (with year of birth), his children (with their years of birth) and his siblings – all of whom are living!

 

Clicking on the links provided for each of the above relatives returns the named individual’s profile page, which is then correctly flagged as <Private>, with no forename or vital information displayed, but it does show the surnames (birth and married) of the mother and of the siblings and half-siblings.

 

These disclosures appear to be in breach of MH’s own policy, which is shown on each individual’s profile page, which says “MyHeritage protects the privacy of its users strictly: information on living people is not disclosed to protect privacy. ...”

This isn't a one-off, it's the same whenever living people appear in the family of a matched individual.


Data matching privacy issue on MyHeritage

Fruitbat
 

Has anyone else noticed that results from MyHeritage reveal information about living people appearing in other peoples’ trees?

 

 

For example, the MH match I received for one living individual in my tree, doesn’t only reveal that he is in another tree, it gives his year of birth, lists his parents, his wife (with year of birth), his children (with their years of birth) and his siblings – all of whom are living!

 

Clicking on the links provided for each of the above relatives returns the named individual’s profile page, which is then correctly flagged as <Private>, with no forename or vital information displayed, but it does show the surnames (birth and married) of the mother and of the siblings and half-siblings.

 

These disclosures appear to be in breach of MH’s own policy, which is shown on each individual’s profile page, which says “MyHeritage protects the privacy of its users strictly: information on living people is not disclosed to protect privacy. ...”

This isn't a one-off, it's the same whenever living people appear in the family of a matched individual.


Re: Internet Data Match issue

edwardrowland45@...
 

Thank you Mike
Edward


Re: Second different death record on Family Group Sheet

F97Russell
 

Thank you again, Mike for your explanation. All is now well - says he with fingers crossed..!


Re: share a tree

james o'kelly
 

Thanks to all for the replies, they are very helpful, 

kind regards James

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 10:22 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

The answer to this type of question depends fundamentally on two criteria.

  1. In FH are you using a Project or a free-standing GEDCOM?
  2. What genealogy product does the recipient have?

 

Saved FH Charts are only possible in a Project, and the recipient would need to have FH installed.

 

Publish > Make a Family Tree CD/DVD is only possible with a Project but the recipient only needs a browser.

 

If the recipient has some other genealogy product then the Export Gedcom File plugin is usually the best option.

But the charts available will depend on what is available with that other genealogy product.

If the target product is an online tree such as in Ancestry, FindMyPast, ZoomPast, etc, then the privacy of living individuals and document copyright are important issues.

 

What seems like a simple question has a great many connotations depending on those two criteria.

 


Re: Second different death record on Family Group Sheet

Mike Tate
 

Those extra image details make everything clear.

 

You are using what is referred to as a Method 2 ‘lumper’ Source Citations for GRO Index entries, which is perfectly OK.

So you have one Source record titled GRO to represent the entire set of GRO Index pages.

Each separate Citation holds the GRO Index details, i.e. Nicholas Boyes in Totnes in your example.

 

The problem is that somehow you have edited the Source record titled GRO and filled its Text From Source field (referred to as Actual Text in the Source pane) with the GRO Index details of Christopher Benson in Cardiff.

(I did say it was an unusual ‘GRO’ Source record.)

BTW: Check the Citation details associated with the Death event for Christopher Benson.

 

The easiest way to correct your problem is to click the blue arrow ‘Go To Source Record’ button shown in your screenshot.

That will open the Source record Property Box where you can delete the Text From Source field.

BTW: Confusingly, there are two forms of Text From Source field; one in the Source pane Citation; and one in the Source record.

 

There is another problem with that Source record titled GRO.

It has its Type set to Death, which implies it should only be applied to Death events for GRO Death Index entries.

But there are also GRO Birth Index and GRO Marriage Index entries that apply to Birth events and Marriage events.

Perhaps you have several Source records titled GRO, each with a different Type set to Death, Birth & Marriage respectively.

It might be less confusing to retitle those Source records as GRO Death Index, GRO Birth Index & GRO Marriage Index.

If you don’t have several such Source records, then I suggest you create them as described above.

Does all that make sense?

 


Re: Second different death record on Family Group Sheet

F97Russell
 

Mike; many thanks for your reply. I have attached two images which hopefully will explain the problem more clearly.

 

The Source pane image shows that although the death record in the ‘Text From Source’ box is that of Nicholas Boyes, the ‘Actual Text’ is that of Christopher Benson, which is why both deaths show up in the Family Group Sheet as in the attached image.

I have tried deleting Nicholas’ death record and re-entering it, but the Actual Text line stays the same even though I’ve deleted Christopher Benson’s death record.

I also found that every record that has GRO as the Source record has Christopher Benson in the Actual Text line, even if the Text From Source box is empty or contains other than the GRO online index record.

 

However, the problem is now resolved. After ferreting around for a while, I went to ‘View > Standard Queries > Source Records - All; went down to GRO, right-clicked on Properties and deleted the offending line from the ‘All’ tab. I still don’t know how it happened, but should it ever occur again, I’ll know what to do; and the Family Group Sheet is now minus C B.

 

You asked for the background to this Source record: my reason for using GRO as a Source record is that’s where it came from. Logically (to me anyway) the source of the record is the website of the GRO - aka the Passport and Identity Service, but a rose by any other name....

My assessment of the record is Secondary evidence: because it’s not the actual death record. It might have the name, age, year, district, volume and page references, but they have been known to be wrong.

Where within Source: would be where I obtained the particular record, which is the GRO’s online index.

And Text From Source: is the record as it appears in the online index.

 

I can imagine lots of people throwing their hands up in horror and shouting “Noooo!”, but it seems logical (again, to me anyway) and I’m happy with it.

I’m not (nor will I ever be) a professional genealogist. I’m researching my family tree purely out of interest as a hobby(although I was once called a ghoul because I mentioned I liked looking around cemeteries), and as long as I note where all my info comes from and can find it again if needs be, then I’m happy.

I fully realise that FH has more bells and whistles than I will ever use in this lifetime, but that’s why I moved to FH from my previous program (FTM) many years ago, precisely because I found it had the bells and whistles I needed that FTM didn’t have.


Re: share a tree

Mike Tate
 

The answer to this type of question depends fundamentally on two criteria.

  1. In FH are you using a Project or a free-standing GEDCOM?
  2. What genealogy product does the recipient have?

 

Saved FH Charts are only possible in a Project, and the recipient would need to have FH installed.

 

Publish > Make a Family Tree CD/DVD is only possible with a Project but the recipient only needs a browser.

 

If the recipient has some other genealogy product then the Export Gedcom File plugin is usually the best option.

But the charts available will depend on what is available with that other genealogy product.

If the target product is an online tree such as in Ancestry, FindMyPast, ZoomPast, etc, then the privacy of living individuals and document copyright are important issues.

 

What seems like a simple question has a great many connotations depending on those two criteria.

 


Re: share a tree

Paul Tanner-Tremaine
 

You can always create a cd/dvd set of files from Publish => Make a Family Tree CD/DVD. (I used to use this method quite a lot when asking relatives for info to fill missing gaps)  You will need to 'play around' with it to get the formats you like, ie family group worksheets, ancestor and/or descendant outline reports, narrative reports, media,etc.
When you finally create the dvd, it creates a set of html files which you can then zip up to mail.  Publish you charts, save into pdf format, and include them in the zip.
The recipient does not need to have any software installed, as it runs in their browser, and is read-only, so they cannot 'mess' with your gedcom file.
keep well
Paul


Re: share a tree

waltonnz
 

Yes, I understand. Thank you for your help.
Patricia

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 09:57, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Patricia

I shouldn't really mention other programs in a forum designed to support Family Historian.

If you Google 'Gedcom viewer' you will find a series of results, including a website that reviews 16 'Best free gedcom viewers'

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Thursday, 13 August 2020, 22:36:10 BST, waltonnz <walton.patricia@...> wrote:


I found your response to James very helpful as I'd been wondering the same thing myself. I'm intrigued about the gedcom viewer. I didn't know there was such a thing. Can you recommend one?
Regards Patricia

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 09:31, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
James

The short answer really is no, largely depending on your intent.
Technically, you could have your Project(s) on a USB stick instead of the default location - I know you've had difficulties with your project location recently.
However, depends what you mean by 'the chart'.
If you mean what you see on the various Tabs in the Focus Window (Spouses & Children/Parents & Siblings/Ancestors/Descendants) then you can only see them by using the FH software.
The Charts (or more correctly 'Diagrams' that are shown by clicking on the 4 icons on the Toolbar are generated 'on the fly' depending on who is the 'Focus' person.
Other Charts/Diagrams can also be generated, again on the fly or if they are saved.

If you are wanting to give someone your tree, you can either 
a) Give them the whole project, but they'd need to purchase the FH software, or
b) Export your tree as a GEDCOM file which can be imported to other software, or even viewed with a Gedcom viewer
c) Export PDF files of your diagram(s)

However, we don't know what your intent is for this question.
Best Wishes,

Neil


On Thursday, 13 August 2020, 21:28:42 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:


can I save a tree to a memory stick, and will it save all including the chart 


Re: share a tree

Neil Grantham
 

Patricia

I shouldn't really mention other programs in a forum designed to support Family Historian.

If you Google 'Gedcom viewer' you will find a series of results, including a website that reviews 16 'Best free gedcom viewers'

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Thursday, 13 August 2020, 22:36:10 BST, waltonnz <walton.patricia@...> wrote:


I found your response to James very helpful as I'd been wondering the same thing myself. I'm intrigued about the gedcom viewer. I didn't know there was such a thing. Can you recommend one?
Regards Patricia

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 09:31, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
James

The short answer really is no, largely depending on your intent.
Technically, you could have your Project(s) on a USB stick instead of the default location - I know you've had difficulties with your project location recently.
However, depends what you mean by 'the chart'.
If you mean what you see on the various Tabs in the Focus Window (Spouses & Children/Parents & Siblings/Ancestors/Descendants) then you can only see them by using the FH software.
The Charts (or more correctly 'Diagrams' that are shown by clicking on the 4 icons on the Toolbar are generated 'on the fly' depending on who is the 'Focus' person.
Other Charts/Diagrams can also be generated, again on the fly or if they are saved.

If you are wanting to give someone your tree, you can either 
a) Give them the whole project, but they'd need to purchase the FH software, or
b) Export your tree as a GEDCOM file which can be imported to other software, or even viewed with a Gedcom viewer
c) Export PDF files of your diagram(s)

However, we don't know what your intent is for this question.
Best Wishes,

Neil


On Thursday, 13 August 2020, 21:28:42 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:


can I save a tree to a memory stick, and will it save all including the chart 


Re: share a tree

waltonnz
 

I found your response to James very helpful as I'd been wondering the same thing myself. I'm intrigued about the gedcom viewer. I didn't know there was such a thing. Can you recommend one?
Regards Patricia

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 09:31, Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
James

The short answer really is no, largely depending on your intent.
Technically, you could have your Project(s) on a USB stick instead of the default location - I know you've had difficulties with your project location recently.
However, depends what you mean by 'the chart'.
If you mean what you see on the various Tabs in the Focus Window (Spouses & Children/Parents & Siblings/Ancestors/Descendants) then you can only see them by using the FH software.
The Charts (or more correctly 'Diagrams' that are shown by clicking on the 4 icons on the Toolbar are generated 'on the fly' depending on who is the 'Focus' person.
Other Charts/Diagrams can also be generated, again on the fly or if they are saved.

If you are wanting to give someone your tree, you can either 
a) Give them the whole project, but they'd need to purchase the FH software, or
b) Export your tree as a GEDCOM file which can be imported to other software, or even viewed with a Gedcom viewer
c) Export PDF files of your diagram(s)

However, we don't know what your intent is for this question.
Best Wishes,

Neil


On Thursday, 13 August 2020, 21:28:42 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:


can I save a tree to a memory stick, and will it save all including the chart 

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