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Re: deleting files

John Hanson
 

James

I all honesty I don’t think that what you are looking for you will find in a book
The book will help if you are starting out but I feel that the problem that you have is more of a one-off and those you will never find solutions for in a book
Let me give you an example
I wrote a book many years ago on the 1901 census when it was first released and was given unlimited access to it before release so that we could get it in time
I spent a great deal of time sorting out the question of why you might not find people and thought that I had covered everything possible

Three days after launch an old friend wrote and explained that they had another to add to the list – It was a one off that I had not thought of

So, the moral is, if the book had been written on family historian including trouble shooting I doubt that it would have covered your scenario

So FOLLOW Mike’s excellent description of how to get round it to the letter and you will be well on the way.

Having sorted the problem then is the time to get the book out and look at it otherwise it is only going to muddy the waters again

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

 

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of james o'kelly
Sent: 25 July 2020 07:51
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] deleting files

 

thank you John, I do now have a copy of the book, and like you say it looks very daunting, I was hoping to use it as a troubleshooting guide, but I don't think that will be the case, but thanks again for the info 

 

Regards James

 

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 7:45 AM james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:

Okay Mike, is this what you are looking for?, if not then I will give, sorry to have caused you so much trouble,

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:53 PM james o'kelly via groups.io <shaymoandann=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

thank you Trevor, that is worth looking into, 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Trevor Rix <trevor@...> wrote:

James, does your local family history society have a computer group? Does your local U3A have a family history group? Both options may offer one-to-one assistance in using Family Historian. Both will probably be meeting online at present. That is what is happening in my locality.

Trevor


Re: deleting files

james o'kelly
 

thank you John, I do now have a copy of the book, and like you say it looks very daunting, I was hoping to use it as a troubleshooting guide, but I don't think that will be the case, but thanks again for the info 

Regards James

On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 7:45 AM james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:
Okay Mike, is this what you are looking for?, if not then I will give, sorry to have caused you so much trouble,

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:53 PM james o'kelly via groups.io <shaymoandann=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
thank you Trevor, that is worth looking into, 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Trevor Rix <trevor@...> wrote:
James, does your local family history society have a computer group? Does your local U3A have a family history group? Both options may offer one-to-one assistance in using Family Historian. Both will probably be meeting online at present. That is what is happening in my locality.

Trevor


Re: deleting files

John Hanson
 

James
There is normally a list on the Family Historian website in https://www.family-historian.co.uk/community/events
However because of CV they have all been cancelled apart from the taster listed and that may not cover the area that you are in

Certainly the sessions that I run at the Society of Genealogists in London have all been cancelled and no signs yet of a schedule for 2021.

 

There are also a series of short videos at https://www.family-historian.co.uk/support/videos
that might be of benefit to some but I don’t think that they are going to help with your problem

 

Regards
John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust - https://www.halsted.org.uk
Research website - https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk

2021 Family History Conference - https://www.elizabethanancestors.org.uk

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of james o'kelly
Sent: 24 July 2020 21:36
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] deleting files

 

Thank you Victor, do you know when and where there might be a training session? I know it might be a bit awkward in these trying times, or is there anyone near to Lincolnshire that may be able to help? I don't mind if I have to travel, 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:27 PM Victor Markham <victor@...> wrote:

James

There have been training courses for users so may be of benefit to you to attend the next one.

I find FH is great compared to others but I am not 100% familiar with it. However I get about fine and am happy

Just take one step at a time and persevere. Hopefully in the end you will like it as much as I do

Victor

On 24/07/2020 8:55 pm, james o'kelly wrote:

Thank you for your support Neil, I still can't where I am going wrong, but I will sort it I am sure, Mike has been a great help, 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 8:24 PM Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Keep battling on James,

I think FH is as complicated as you want. Out of the box I think it's pretty easy to use compared to some I've used in the past such as 'The Master Genealogist' (now defunct)

 

The baffling thing is, that you appear to have installed in a none standard way, whether that's consciously or not I don't know.

By default, if you just install via the Wizard, your projects would have all been in the standard place rather than on your desktop.

 

I know that Mike is trying his hardest to get this sorted for you.

 

Best Wishes,

Neil

 

 

On Friday, 24 July 2020, 19:43:44 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:

 

 

this is not a wind up, but I have come to the conclusion that Family Historian, is a very complicated programe, I am beginning to wish that I never wish that I had never purchased it in the first place, but I will follow mike's latest instructions and hopefully I will get it sorted, however long it takes, I will not post any more until I have it sorted, once again Mike, thank you for your patience and perseverance with me. 

  

 

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Re: deleting files

johnfirr@...
 

James,
I have been using Family Historian for a good few years and I guess like you have done I just got it out the box, threw it on my laptop and started using it without really getting to grips with it in any detail. Thats the beauty of the programme, its very intuitive and you can just start filling in boxes. I have recently started a new project which requires me to use more of the features and I have found its a phenomenally powerful programme under its calm exterior!

I realised that I had to start using more than the minimum and stop ignoring the bits that looked complicated. So about three weeks ago I stopped doing anymore active research, pulled out my printed copy of "getting the most from Family Historian 6" - which I had bought when version 6 came out and just left on the shelf because it looked very detailed. I have now spent a few weeks working through the whole book chapter by chapter as its a step by step tutorial in effect, If you just take time to work through it you will be amazed at what FH can do and it will make you more confident about what you can and cant break!

I cant work off the screen easily so although the whole guide is included with the programme in electronic form I cant recommend getting a printed copy enough and work through it ( yes it will take a few hours) - its all the training course I have needed and I feel much more confident.

regards
John


Re: deleting files

james o'kelly
 

thank you Trevor, that is worth looking into, 


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:50 PM Trevor Rix <trevor@...> wrote:
James, does your local family history society have a computer group? Does your local U3A have a family history group? Both options may offer one-to-one assistance in using Family Historian. Both will probably be meeting online at present. That is what is happening in my locality.

Trevor


Re: deleting files

Trevor Rix
 

James, does your local family history society have a computer group? Does your local U3A have a family history group? Both options may offer one-to-one assistance in using Family Historian. Both will probably be meeting online at present. That is what is happening in my locality.

Trevor


Re: deleting files

james o'kelly
 

Thank you Victor, do you know when and where there might be a training session? I know it might be a bit awkward in these trying times, or is there anyone near to Lincolnshire that may be able to help? I don't mind if I have to travel, 


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:27 PM Victor Markham <victor@...> wrote:

James

There have been training courses for users so may be of benefit to you to attend the next one.

I find FH is great compared to others but I am not 100% familiar with it. However I get about fine and am happy

Just take one step at a time and persevere. Hopefully in the end you will like it as much as I do

Victor

On 24/07/2020 8:55 pm, james o'kelly wrote:
Thank you for your support Neil, I still can't where I am going wrong, but I will sort it I am sure, Mike has been a great help, 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 8:24 PM Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Keep battling on James,
I think FH is as complicated as you want. Out of the box I think it's pretty easy to use compared to some I've used in the past such as 'The Master Genealogist' (now defunct)

The baffling thing is, that you appear to have installed in a none standard way, whether that's consciously or not I don't know.
By default, if you just install via the Wizard, your projects would have all been in the standard place rather than on your desktop.

I know that Mike is trying his hardest to get this sorted for you.

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Friday, 24 July 2020, 19:43:44 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:


this is not a wind up, but I have come to the conclusion that Family Historian, is a very complicated programe, I am beginning to wish that I never wish that I had never purchased it in the first place, but I will follow mike's latest instructions and hopefully I will get it sorted, however long it takes, I will not post any more until I have it sorted, once again Mike, thank you for your patience and perseverance with me. 
  

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On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 16:54, John Liddle, Backwell, North Somerset - "Where the cider apples grow" via groups.io <jaliddle=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
A casual observer would be forgiven for thinking that it's beginning to sound like a wind-up.


Re: deleting files

Victor Markham
 

James

There have been training courses for users so may be of benefit to you to attend the next one.

I find FH is great compared to others but I am not 100% familiar with it. However I get about fine and am happy

Just take one step at a time and persevere. Hopefully in the end you will like it as much as I do

Victor

On 24/07/2020 8:55 pm, james o'kelly wrote:
Thank you for your support Neil, I still can't where I am going wrong, but I will sort it I am sure, Mike has been a great help, 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 8:24 PM Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Keep battling on James,
I think FH is as complicated as you want. Out of the box I think it's pretty easy to use compared to some I've used in the past such as 'The Master Genealogist' (now defunct)

The baffling thing is, that you appear to have installed in a none standard way, whether that's consciously or not I don't know.
By default, if you just install via the Wizard, your projects would have all been in the standard place rather than on your desktop.

I know that Mike is trying his hardest to get this sorted for you.

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Friday, 24 July 2020, 19:43:44 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:


this is not a wind up, but I have come to the conclusion that Family Historian, is a very complicated programe, I am beginning to wish that I never wish that I had never purchased it in the first place, but I will follow mike's latest instructions and hopefully I will get it sorted, however long it takes, I will not post any more until I have it sorted, once again Mike, thank you for your patience and perseverance with me. 
  

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:18 PM Jonathan Copeland <jccopeland@...> wrote:
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 16:54, John Liddle, Backwell, North Somerset - "Where the cider apples grow" via groups.io <jaliddle=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
A casual observer would be forgiven for thinking that it's beginning to sound like a wind-up.


Re: deleting files

james o'kelly
 

Thank you for your support Neil, I still can't where I am going wrong, but I will sort it I am sure, Mike has been a great help, 


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 8:24 PM Neil Grantham via groups.io <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Keep battling on James,
I think FH is as complicated as you want. Out of the box I think it's pretty easy to use compared to some I've used in the past such as 'The Master Genealogist' (now defunct)

The baffling thing is, that you appear to have installed in a none standard way, whether that's consciously or not I don't know.
By default, if you just install via the Wizard, your projects would have all been in the standard place rather than on your desktop.

I know that Mike is trying his hardest to get this sorted for you.

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Friday, 24 July 2020, 19:43:44 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:


this is not a wind up, but I have come to the conclusion that Family Historian, is a very complicated programe, I am beginning to wish that I never wish that I had never purchased it in the first place, but I will follow mike's latest instructions and hopefully I will get it sorted, however long it takes, I will not post any more until I have it sorted, once again Mike, thank you for your patience and perseverance with me. 
  

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:18 PM Jonathan Copeland <jccopeland@...> wrote:
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 16:54, John Liddle, Backwell, North Somerset - "Where the cider apples grow" via groups.io <jaliddle=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
A casual observer would be forgiven for thinking that it's beginning to sound like a wind-up.


Re: deleting files

Neil Grantham
 

Keep battling on James,
I think FH is as complicated as you want. Out of the box I think it's pretty easy to use compared to some I've used in the past such as 'The Master Genealogist' (now defunct)

The baffling thing is, that you appear to have installed in a none standard way, whether that's consciously or not I don't know.
By default, if you just install via the Wizard, your projects would have all been in the standard place rather than on your desktop.

I know that Mike is trying his hardest to get this sorted for you.

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Friday, 24 July 2020, 19:43:44 BST, james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:


this is not a wind up, but I have come to the conclusion that Family Historian, is a very complicated programe, I am beginning to wish that I never wish that I had never purchased it in the first place, but I will follow mike's latest instructions and hopefully I will get it sorted, however long it takes, I will not post any more until I have it sorted, once again Mike, thank you for your patience and perseverance with me. 
  

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:18 PM Jonathan Copeland <jccopeland@...> wrote:
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A casual observer would be forgiven for thinking that it's beginning to sound like a wind-up.


Re: deleting files

james o'kelly
 

this is not a wind up, but I have come to the conclusion that Family Historian, is a very complicated programe, I am beginning to wish that I never wish that I had never purchased it in the first place, but I will follow mike's latest instructions and hopefully I will get it sorted, however long it takes, I will not post any more until I have it sorted, once again Mike, thank you for your patience and perseverance with me. 
  

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:18 PM Jonathan Copeland <jccopeland@...> wrote:
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Re: deleting files

Jonathan Copeland
 

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A casual observer would be forgiven for thinking that it's beginning to sound like a wind-up.


Re: deleting files

John Liddle, Backwell, North Somerset - "Where the cider apples grow"
 

A casual observer would be forgiven for thinking that it's beginning to sound like a wind-up.


Re: deleting files

Mike Tate
 

James, why are you working with Location: set to My Documents\Family Historian Projects ?

You are not following my instructions.

You have copied the Kelly and O’Kelly Family but not copied the other Projects from …\Desktop\Shays Trees

 

Click on My Documents\Family Historian Projects, select Choose Location… and browse to C:\Users\shay\Desktop\Shays Tree to reveal your Projects.

Do NOT use Choose Location again until you have copied all the Projects.

Keep the Location: set to C:\Users\shay\Desktop\Shays Tree. Is that clear?

 

Now follow the steps 1 - 5 shown in my earlier screenshot to Copy each of the Projects in turn one at a time.

So you must select one Project, perform the 5 steps, select the next Project, perform the 5 steps, and so on for each of the four Projects:

            1 3

            Ann’s Family Tree (2)

            Ann’s Family Tree

            Family Historian Sample Project

 

PLEASE DO NOT change the Location. Keep it set to C:\Users\shay\Desktop\Shays Tree

 

PLEASE DO NOT delete anything. DO NOT delete Backups. DO NOT delete Projects.

They are your protection in case things go wrong, which is highly likely if you do not follow instructions closely.

 

PLEASE DO NOT do anything else that I have not asked you to do.

 

If you continue to go off doing your own thing, I will stop helping you.

 

This Project copying should have been completed days ago.

 


Re: deleting files

james o'kelly
 

Hi Mike in answer to your questions, did not find Family Historian Sample Project, in the project window, that's why I could not copy it, the reason the project is in My Documents\Family Historian Projects might be explained by the screenshot attached, the back ups I referred to, ever time I add data to the tree, when I close it always asked if I want to back up, which I do, is this the correct procedure?   


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

What do you mean by “it looks like all the projects are in one place”?

They should still be in two places, i.e. …\Desktop\Shays Tree\ and …\Documents\Family Historian Projects\

I guess you have changed the Project Location: to My Documents\Family Historian Projects even though I did not ask you to do that.

 

Please explain the problem with copying over the FH sample project.

 

What backup files are you talking about?

 

Please get into the habit of describing things in more detail.

You know what you are talking about, but I cannot see what you can see, unless you provide a screenshot.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of james o'kelly
Sent: 22 July 2020 21:43
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] deleting files

 

well Mike, it looks like all the projects are in one place, but I didn't manage to copy over the FH sample project,

 where do we go from here?, can I now delete the backup files and start to save them again as I go on,  

 


Re: deleting files

james o'kelly
 

Sorry I forgot to mention, they are saved in the two places as you said, 


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:34 PM james o'kelly <shaymoandann@...> wrote:
Hi Mike in answer to your questions, did not find Family Historian Sample Project, in the project window, that's why I could not copy it, the reason the project is in My Documents\Family Historian Projects might be explained by the screenshot attached, the back ups I referred to, ever time I add data to the tree, when I close it always asked if I want to back up, which I do, is this the correct procedure?   

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

What do you mean by “it looks like all the projects are in one place”?

They should still be in two places, i.e. …\Desktop\Shays Tree\ and …\Documents\Family Historian Projects\

I guess you have changed the Project Location: to My Documents\Family Historian Projects even though I did not ask you to do that.

 

Please explain the problem with copying over the FH sample project.

 

What backup files are you talking about?

 

Please get into the habit of describing things in more detail.

You know what you are talking about, but I cannot see what you can see, unless you provide a screenshot.

 

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of james o'kelly
Sent: 22 July 2020 21:43
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] deleting files

 

well Mike, it looks like all the projects are in one place, but I didn't manage to copy over the FH sample project,

 where do we go from here?, can I now delete the backup files and start to save them again as I go on,  

 


Re: Working with Lists

Sheila Bryant
 

Absolutely. The man is a legend!

Sheila


On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 19:11, <stephen.challis@...> wrote:

You’re not the only one, Connie! Either that or saint-hood!

 

Stephen

 

 

Stephen Challis

Please reply to Stephen.Challis@...

 

From: family-historian@groups.io [mailto:family-historian@groups.io] On Behalf Of Connie Williams
Sent: 22 July 2020 15:04
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Working with Lists

 

 

 

……..and I am thinking that we should be submitting Mike Tate to Windsor Castle for an award alongside Captain Tom!

 

 

 

Mrs  Connie  Williams

 



--
Sheila


Re: How related Diagram

Neil Grantham
 

Jane and Mike

The 'Family Connection Mapper' option worked a treat.

Best Wishes,

Neil


On Thursday, 23 July 2020, 12:36:02 BST, Jane Taubman <janetaubman@...> wrote:


To change the colour of the line on the diagram once displayed go to diagram>Family Connection mapper and select the line and then click the Format button.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:20, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

You can use either the Tools > How Related command which always uses Descendant Diagrams, or in any Diagram use the Diagram > Family Connection Mapper.

If you use the former, then in the resultant Diagram the latter option lets you choose the colour.

 

Regards, Mike Tate


Re: How related Diagram

Jane Taubman
 

To change the colour of the line on the diagram once displayed go to diagram>Family Connection mapper and select the line and then click the Format button.


On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 12:20, Mike Tate <post@...> wrote:

You can use either the Tools > How Related command which always uses Descendant Diagrams, or in any Diagram use the Diagram > Family Connection Mapper.

If you use the former, then in the resultant Diagram the latter option lets you choose the colour.

 

Regards, Mike Tate


Re: How related Diagram

Brian Peacock
 

HI Neil

Check the Calico Pie youtube channel. I think there is a video that covers what you are looking for


On Thu, 23 Jul 2020, 11:13 Neil Grantham via groups.io, <neil40=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all

I am creating some 'How related' diagrams for a new contact to show him our common ancestry.

Is there a way to make it consistently use the same colour for the path? (I like it Red)
It seems to generate a different colour each time.
I want to create a couple of these with 'Red' highlighting but it is generating a different colour each time.
Diagram options seems to be for a 'Descendants' diagram and 'Lines' tab has nothing for the highlighted path.
Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks

Best Wishes,

Neil

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