Re: Editing Places in FH7

Neil Grantham

I don't know the answer about geocoding, but I use the boundaries in place at the time of the event.

EG, I was born in Coventry, which was Warwickshire at the time, and recorded as such in FH. My children's births are recorded as Coventry, West Midlands.

I haven't made much use of the map to see what FH makes of it.

Best Wishes


------ Original Message ------
From: "Victor Markham via" <victor@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 6 Jan, 2021 At 15:29
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Editing Places in FH7

I would like to say one thing about this when it comes to places in Yorkshire. Always add East, North or West to the Yorkshire county name. I have no idea what happens with geo coding or even the revised boundaries which now includes South Yorkshire. Here are some examples are Scalby, North Yorkshire. There is Scalby, East Yorkshire. The first os North of Scarborough and the second next to Gilberdkye, West of Hull. Another example is Hessle, East Yorkshire and Hessle, West Yorkshire. The first is West of Hull and the second near Wakefield. There could be other similar names in Yorkshire. Would geo coding recognise the differences?

Would geo coding also recognise Sheffield, West Yorkshire or Sheffield, South Yorkshire (as it is today due to revised admin boundary changes). I prefer to stick to the original boundaries which in reality are still there butnot as admin boundaries.


On 06/01/2021 3:00 pm, Lorna Craig via wrote:

Mike is correct, of course, but he is thinking of performing the merge in the standard way which can be used for any record type, by selecting the records to be emerged in the Records window then using Edit>Merge/Compare Records. On the other hand I was thinking of Using Tools>Work with Data>Places, where you can select the records to be merged and then click the Merge button. In that case you only get to choose one whole record for the final version, and you cannot ‘pick and choose’ which parts are retained. So if you do it that way the final record will have whatever geocoding was in the record you selected for the final version, even if it had none and one of the other records did have geocoding.


From: Mike Tate
Sent: 06 January 2021 14:18
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Editing Places in FH7

The principles of merging any type of record are fundamentally the same, but depend on several factors.

If a particular field is allowed multiple instances, such as Notes or linked Media, then the Merge keeps all instances from both records.

If a particular field is only allowed one instance, such as Lat/Long geocoding, then the Merge applies some simple rules.

When only one of the two records has a value in that field, or the value in both records is the same, then that value is kept in the merged record.

It is only when both records have a different value in that field that a decision is needed.

Whichever record is chosen as the final or preferred record then its field value is kept by default, but that can be reversed in the Merge Record dialogue.

So when Lorna says for the final merged record the geocoding in that record will remain unchanged is not strictly correct.

If the preferred final record has no geocoding, but the other record does, then that other geocoding will be used by default, but can be manually overridden.

Mike Tate

From: <> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via
Sent: 06 January 2021 13:50
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Editing Places in FH7

When you merge two Place records you choose which one is to be the final merged record, and the geocoding in that record will remain unchanged. When you edit the name of a record the geocoding remains unchanged. If you then want to refresh the automatic geocoding, select the record(s) in the Records window and click Map>Map Location of Selected Place Records (or use Tools>Work with Data> Places, select them there then click View in Map>View in Map Window.) Then, in the Map Window toolbar use Map>Geocoding>Refresh Geocoding.

By the way, in order to avoid accidentally refreshing the geocoding for a Place you have previously geocoded manually, it is recommended that you use Tools>Preferences>Map Window and set Mark Auto-geocodes as Tentative if... to Always, and tick Block Refresh for Non-tentative Geocodes.


....I just want to check that if I edit or merge places does the geocoding for latitude etc adjust automatically or is there something I need to do to "recode" the list? I only ask because the conversation above shows me that the mapping function is perhaps more complicated than I might have thought?

Neil Grantham
Using FH 7 & AS 7
Researching Grantham, Skuce, Barrow, Birchall.

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