#### Re: Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Bill Metcalf

Lorna or Jane

Am I permitted to send you a file for assistance? I really am struggling to create a Descendants diagram that joins two Trees in a satisfactory manner.

The merging, moving and hiding are OK but I still get duplicates and need to reverse the horizontal order of spouses but without compromising the whole diagram.

Bill

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 15:56
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Sorry, you are not being thick at all.  I should have said right-click in the background of the diagram to get a short menu of options. One of the options is 'Insert into Diagram'.  I had forgotten that it's not within the Diagram Options (which are themselves another option in the same menu).

Lorna

On 16/09/2020 15:39, Bill Metcalf wrote:

Lorna

I’m probably being totally thick but can you please tell me where to find <Insert into Diagram> under <Diagram Options>.

Thanks.

Bill

From: family-historian@groups.io <family-historian@groups.io> On Behalf Of Lorna Craig via groups.io
Sent: 16 September 2020 11:49
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: Re: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Bill, you refer to “the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant”.  But if she is a true (direct) descendant of the diagram root any descendant of her second marriage will also be direct descendants.  Did you mean to say she is NOT a true descendant, in other words she was the WIFE of a true descendant (her first husband)?

If that is the case a Descendants diagram whose root is one of her first husband’s ancestors won’t include her second family.  However it is possible to insert an extra diagram into the first.  Use Diagram Options > Insert into Diagram and insert a Descendants Tree whose root is this wife. Then in this extra diagram hide her descendants from her first marriage (if any) by clicking the expansion button above them, and hide her first husband (who already appears in the main diagram) by right clicking and selecting ‘Hide’.   By using the Movement Control Box (second icon from the right in the diagram toolbar) you should be able to move various elements of the main diagram so that you can position the inserted tree next to the ‘wife’, ideally overlapping her boxes from the two diagrams.  Unless you are used to manipulating diagrams this might seem difficult, but it can be done.

Another approach would be to create an All Relatives diagram with the ‘wife’ and her first husband as joint diagram roots.  (Select them BOTH in the records list or in the existing diagram, then click the All Relatives icon.)  This diagram will include all descendants from both marriages of the wife.  However it will also include any other ancestral branches for either of them, in addition to the particular branch descended from the ancestor who was the root of the original Descendants diagram.  You could then hide these unwanted ancestral branches by clicking on the relevant expansion buttons.

Lorna

From: Bill Metcalf
Sent: 15 September 2020 18:03
To: family-historian@groups.io
Subject: [family-historian] Standard Diagrams - All Descendants

Is there any way to force (or cheat) the 'All Descendants' chart to include the second marriage of a wife who is a true descendant? My interest is in the descendants of the second marriage who are not true descendants but, nevertheless of family interest.

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