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I am definitely stealing this term and spreading it.
"If you want to do Continuous Delivery, you need to do Continuous
Integration. And if you want to do Continuous Integration, you
need to do Continuous Coding."
Memorable. Also true.
Laziness is nothing more than the habit of resting before you
- Jules Renard
On 12/4/19 5:33 PM, Avi Kessner wrote:
If I were to market XP today I would call it
"Continuous Coding". So you do CC, then CI, then CD. You could
shorten this to C3, and bring XP back in a full circle.
I think it’s a great idea to build a sellable brand for XP.
How about 'Effective Programming', as in delivering results?
On Dec 4, 2019, at 10:42 AM, R Dymond <rdymond@...
Yes I believe Howard could
invest *a lot* if he saw a route to growing
A couple ideas:
Agree that this needs a major
rebranding. "Safe" sells, "extreme" is a
terrible brand for an industry practice. James
Gosling, working at Sun got marketing and
branding involved and thats why we got the
great branding for Java.
How do we make these ideas cool?
Can we get the top tech celebrities advocating
and pitching for these ideas? By celebs I mean
mainstream tech celebs like Linus Torvalds,
some of these guys https://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-best-engineers-at-Google-Why
And also tech business leaders who can
influence the CXO crowd.
Nice to see you here!
sent from iPad, probably via Mars. Errors, if
any, are not mine.
is a better address for me, maybe.
> On Dec 4, 2019, at 12:58 AM, R Dymond
> Being in the Scrum camp more than XP, in
every CSM I overview in detail TDD, CI,
Pairing, Mobbing and Swarming. Also explain
that you have to look at XP, not Scrum for
great ideas on how to make great quality
I wish we knew how many CSTs do that. I think
what we do know is that even that apparently
doesn't work, as your own story below tells.
> I am at a loss on how to sell these ideas
though. At a client who I started working with
Scrum in 2010 I have trained most the staff on
Scrum. They have over 1000 developers. We sold
a total of 2 XP/TDD immersion courses with a
well known XP Coach after strenuous internal
marketing from HR and finally a Dev Sr Mgr
assigning people to the classes. This same
company spends millions per year on dev
training and regularly sell out courses on
Swift, C++, python, r, react, vmware, AWS,
Azure, tensorflow etc. etc. Budget isn't the
issue, demand for XP practices training is the
> So in 20 years we still do not have the
business case we need to convince developers
to widely adopt and spread these ideas.
It's a puzzlement. I've been talking with
Howard Sublett (Scrum Alliance Chief Product
Owner, for those who don't know) about the
developer problem. He's interested, and I
think he'd put some money behind it, but I'm
at a loss as to how to effectively help. It's
not clear what to do.