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[espeak-ng/espeak-ng] Pull request closed by jaacoppi:

#992 Add ךְ and ךָ

Adds ךְ and ךָ to Hebrew. Example use for ךְ and ךָ: לָךְ (Lakh) means "for you (for females)" while לְךָ (lekha) means "for you (for males)".


2 New Commits:

[espeak-ng:master] By Omer I.S <66558205+omeritzics@...>:
e1d9ae0e81b0: Add ךָ and ךְ

Modified: dictsource/he_rules


[espeak-ng:master] By jaacoppi <jaacoppi@...>:
d493a9dd37e1: Merge pull request #992

he: Add ךְ and ךָ

Modified: dictsource/he_rules


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[espeak-ng/espeak-ng] Pull request updated by omeritzics:

#992 Add ךָ and ךְ

Adds ךְ and ךָ to Hebrew. Example use for ךְ and ךָ: לָךְ (Lakh) means "for you (for females)" while לְךָ (lekha) means "for you (for males)".


[espeak-ng/espeak-ng] Pull request updated by omeritzics:

#992 Add ךְ and ךָ

Adds ךְ and ךָ to Hebrew. Example use for ךְ and ךָ: לָךְ (Lakh) means "for you (for females)" while לְךָ (lekha) means "for you (for males)".


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[espeak-ng/espeak-ng] Pull request opened by omeritzics:

#992 Add ךָ and ךְ

Adds ךָ and ךְ.


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

Great! If someone knows anyone in Techinion University - in Haifa, Israel, perhaps a teacher could take this project there...

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 5:27 PM Valdis Vitolins @.***> wrote:

I have added initial support for Hebrew MBROLA voices in eSpeak NG. You are welcome to improve it by yourself e.g. online here . Phonetic writing ([[...]]) is used in online demonstration because:

  1. Translation from Hebrew text to phonemes should be greatly improved in he_rules https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/dictsource/he_rules file. For information look at Text to Phoneme Translation https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/dictionary.md .
  2. eSpeak NG phoneme to MBROLA phoneme mapping should be improved (only dummy stub file is created) and many phoneme mappings are missing in he https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/ file. For information look at MBROLA Voices https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/mbrola.md and Readme for hb1 https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA-voices/tree/master/data/hb1 and Readme for hb2 https://github.com/numediart/MBROLA-voices/tree/master/data/hb2.

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By valdisvi:

I have added initial support for Hebrew MBROLA voices in eSpeak NG. You are welcome to improve it by yourself e.g. online here. Phonetic writing ([[...]]) is used in online demonstration because: 1. Translation from Hebrew text to phonemes should be greatly improved in he_rules file. For information look at Text to Phoneme Translation. 2. eSpeak NG phoneme to MBROLA phoneme mapping should be improved (only dummy stub file is created) and many phoneme mappings are missing in he file. For information look at MBROLA Voices and Readme for hb1 and Readme for hb2.

More general information: * General contribution guide * eSpeak NG online testing guide


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By valdisvi:

I have added initial support for Hebrew MBROLA voices in eSpeak NG. You are welcome to improve it by yourself e.g. online here. Phonetic writing ([[...]]) is used in online demonstration because: 1. Translation from Hebrew text to phonemes should be greatly improved in he_rules file. For information look at Text to Phoneme Translation. 2. eSpeak NG phoneme to MBROLA phoneme mapping should be improved (only dummy stub file is created) and many phoneme mappings are missing in he file. For information look at MBROLA Voices and Readme for hb1 and Readme for hb2.

More general information: * General contribution guide * eSpeak NG online testing guide


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1 New Commit:

[espeak-ng:master] By Valdis Vitolins <valdis.vitolins@...>:
3b637450e97d: Issue #825: add initial support for Hebrew MBROLA voices

Added: espeak-ng-data/voices/mb/mb-hb1
Added: espeak-ng-data/voices/mb/mb-hb2
Added: phsource/mbrola/he
Modified: Makefile.am


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By data-man:

@OrionRandD In Arch Linux you can use espeak-ng-git from AUR.


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By jaacoppi:

What I know is that there is something wrong... If you being a developer does not know... So, who knows? Is my versions of espek-ng in debian and archlinux the right one? If so, should this versions have "he" - Hebrew support on it? If so, why I do not see this when I install espeak-ng in both systems?

Read through the posts in this thread. For Hebrew support, you'll need 1.51-dev. Hebrew support has been added after version 1.50. Version 1.51 hasn't been released yet. That's why it's called 1.51-dev.

I do not know which versions Debian or Arch linux have. If you want them to have the latest version (1.51-dev from git), ask them to include it. The other option is to build from source. The instructions are in https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/building.md

Second question, why do all other languages know the Hebrew alphabet? It's because espeak-ng is programmed to spell out the letters of unknown alphabets one by one. It doesn't matter if the writing is in Hebrew, Telugu, Chinese, Greek or any other supported language. Espeak-ng recognises that this script is not native to this language. Note that this is a different discussion for a different thread.


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By valdisvi:

@OrionRandD, please read carefully, what I already wrote in previous comment:

hr is code for Croatian and he is for Hebrew of natively synthesized eSpeak NG voices.

If you use different voice, which doesn't have defined pronunciation of characters for other language, it is nothing wrong, if spells unicode names for these characters. You can get the same behaviour, if you use English, Latvian or other language instead of Hebrew e.g.:

espeak-ng -ven "דוגמה" -X
espeak-ng -vlv "דוגמה" -X


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

Ok, thanks. Debian and Archlinux install 1.50. I will just wait for 1.51... Fair enough thx a lot to explain my questions...

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 2:50 PM jaacoppi @.***> wrote:

What I know is that there is something wrong... If you being a developer does not know... So, who knows? Is my versions of espek-ng in debian and archlinux the right one? If so, should this versions have "he" - Hebrew support on it? If so, why I do not see this when I install espeak-ng in both systems?

Read through the posts in this thread. For Hebrew support, you'll need 1.51-dev. Hebrew support has been added after version 1.50. Version 1.51 hasn't been released yet. That's why it's called 1.51-dev.

I do not know which versions Debian or Arch linux have. If you want them to have the latest version (1.51-dev from git), ask them to include it. The other option is to build from source. The instructions are in https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/building.md

Second question, why do all other languages know the Hebrew alphabet? It's because espeak-ng is programmed to spell out the letters of unknown alphabets one by one. It doesn't matter if the writing is in Hebrew, Telugu, Chinese, Greek or any other supported language. Espeak-ng recognises that this script is not native to this language. Note that this is a different discussion for a different thread.

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #131 Voice flutters and makes a buzzing sound when rate is set to 100% in NVDA
By jaacoppi:

if it is a regression, then it happened much earlier than aa62682 i think in 065a0e8

I'm not sure if we need to do bisect. my question is, is it really necessary to activate sonic at 450 and not 451?

Any value would be arbitrary. It could be 400, 425, 449, 500 and so on. However, if espeak and espeak-ng have behaved like this for 6 years already it's better to change the NVDA code if necessary. There might be other screen readers or software that expect to have sonic boost activated at 450.


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

What I know is that there is something wrong... If you being a developer does not know... So, who knows? Is my versions of espek-ng in debian and archlinux the right one? If so, should this versions have "he" - Hebrew support on it? If so, why I do not see this when I install espeak-ng in both systems?

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:23 PM hozosch @.***> wrote:

Any language does that. It is defined in en_list, but not sure what makes the other languages use those entries.

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By valdisvi:

There is nothing wrong with eSpeak NG. It uses ISO 639-1 or ISO 639-3 codes for languages, but some MBROLA voices do not follow these standards. hr is code for Croatian and he is for Hebrew. If eSpeak NG would have configuration files created for MBROLA voices (see my comment earlier), name for them would be mb-hr1 or mb-hr2.


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By valdisvi:

There is nothing wrong with eSpeak NG. It uses ISO 639-1 or ISO 639-3 codes for languages, but some MBROLA voices do not follow these standards. hr is code for Croatian and he is for Hebrew of natively synthesized eSpeak NG voices. If eSpeak NG would have configuration files created for MBROLA voices (see my comment earlier), name for them would be mb-hr1 or mb-hr2.


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

Why then "hr" spells Hebrew letters? I have tested in debian and archlinux And there are no "he" voices for espeak-ng

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:17 PM Valdis Vitolins @.***> wrote:

There is nothing wrong with eSpeak NG. It uses ISO 639-1 or ISO 639-3 codes for languages, but some MBROLA voices do not follow these standards. hr is code for Croatian and he is for Hebrew. If eSpeak NG would have configuration files created for MBROLA voices (see my comment earlier), name for them would be mb-hr1 or mb-hr2.

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By hozosch:

Any language does that. It is defined in en_list, but not sure what makes the other languages use those entries.


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By hozosch:

I mean the spelling out of the letters.


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

There is something wrong in espeak-ng, related to debian or the error is in the package itself. Because, espeak-ng --voices| less does not show any "he" - Hebrew - language It only shows "hr" for Croatian. But, if I use espeak-ng -vhr "any Hebrew word" this "hr", which is a Croatian voice, spells each Hebrew letter, but not the entire word as unit. Is the Croatian alphabet the same as the Hebrew alphabet? Something is wrong then: either in espeak-ng or in the "hr" language voice... Can you install debian in a VM - say Virtualbox and test it? Thx

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:53 AM Valdis Vitolins @.***> wrote:

mbrola-hb1 and mbrola-hb2 packages are data files for completely different MBROLA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBROLA sound synthesizer. eSpeak NG can be used as a "front end" for it to do text-to-phoneme translation for MBROLA. Though it doesn't have configuration files for Hebrew. See more at MBROLA Voices https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/blob/master/docs/mbrola.md I can create initial settings for it, but to make it usable, improvements will be needed by native speaker.

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By valdisvi:

mbrola-hb1 and mbrola-hb2 packages are data files for completely different MBROLA sound synthesizer. eSpeak NG can be used as a "front end" for it to do text-to-phoneme translation for MBROLA. Though it doesn't have configuration files for Hebrew. See more at MBROLA Voices I can create initial settings for it, but to make it usable, improvements will be needed by native speaker.


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

espeak-ng --version eSpeak NG text-to-speech: 1.50 Data at: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/espeak-ng-data

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:22 AM Omer I.S. @.***> wrote:

Not sure. The used version is the version in this website https://odo.lv/Espeak.

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By hozosch:

1.50, NVDA on Windows uses 1.51-dev. The version on odo.lv is always the latest one, not sure what's the problem there.


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

Do you mean that my version is the right one? I am on debian

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:45 AM hozosch @.***> wrote:

1.50, NVDA on Windows uses 1.51-dev. The version on odo.lv is always the latest one, not sure what's the problem there.

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

Do you mean that the last espeak-ng comes with "he" voice as default? Because I cannot see any "he" voice when I "apt-cache search espeak | grep Hebrew"

I only have mbrola for Hebrew and Arabic apt-cache search Hebrew| grep voice mbrola-hb1 - Hebrew male voice for Mbrola mbrola-hb2 - Hebrew female voice for Mbrola -> @.*** 11:23:06 ~ $ apt-cache search Arabic| grep voice mbrola-ar1 - Arabic male voice for Mbrola mbrola-ar2 - Arabic male voice for Mbrola

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:19 AM hozosch @.***> wrote:

Are you sure you're running the latest development version?

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

$ espeak-ng --voices|grep Arabic 5 ar --/M Arabic sem/ar -> @.*** 11:09:31 ~ $ espeak-ng --voices|grep Hebrew -> @.*** 11:09:47 ~ $

I do not have this "he" voice "hr" speaks the Hebrew letters correctly...

espeak-ng -vhr "דוגמה" -X

But not the word as an unit.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:10 AM hozosch @.***> wrote:

Oh, so it is with the v! Sorry, I'm not familiar with the command line. But "he" is the correct voice name!

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

espeak-ng -vhe "דוגמה" -X Error: The specified espeak-ng voice does not exist.

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Oh, so it is with the v! Sorry, I'm not familiar with the command line. But "he" is the correct voice name!

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #131 Voice flutters and makes a buzzing sound when rate is set to 100% in NVDA
By alex19EP:

If the problem is in espeak-ng then it's a regression and we will fix it.

if it is a regression, then it happened much earlier than aa62682 i think in 065a0e8

Can you do a git bisect to check which commit causes this? My guess is aa62682.

I'm not sure if we need to do bisect. my question is, is it really necessary to activate sonic at 450 and not 451?

Also, would be great if you can figure out a test to see if sonic activates at 450 or not.

I don't know how to check this programmatically, but it is very noticeable by ear.


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By hozosch:

Are you sure you're running the latest development version?


[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By omeritzics:

Not sure. The used version is the version in this website.


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

espeak-ng -he "דוגמה" -X

eSpeak NG text-to-speech: 1.50 Data at: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/espeak-ng-data

espeak-ng [options] [""]

-f Text file to speak --stdin Read text input from stdin instead of a file

If neither -f nor --stdin, then are spoken, or if none then text is spoken from stdin, each line separately.

-a Amplitude, 0 to 200, default is 100 -d Use the specified device to speak the audio on. If not specified, the default audio device is used. -g Word gap. Pause between words, units of 10mS at the default speed -k Indicate capital letters with: 1=sound, 2=the word "capitals", higher values indicate a pitch increase (try -k20). -l Line length. If not zero (which is the default), consider lines less than this length as end-of-clause -p Pitch adjustment, 0 to 99, default is 50 -s Speed in approximate words per minute. The default is 175 -v Use voice file of this name from espeak-ng-data/voices -w Write speech to this WAV file, rather than speaking it directly -b Input text encoding, 1=UTF8, 2=8 bit, 4=16 bit -m Interpret SSML markup, and ignore other < > tags -q Quiet, don't produce any speech (may be useful with -x) -x Write phoneme mnemonics to stdout -X Write phonemes mnemonics and translation trace to stdout -z No final sentence pause at the end of the text --compile= Compile pronunciation rules and dictionary from the current directory. specifies the language --compile-debug= Compile pronunciation rules and dictionary from the current directory, including line numbers for use with -X. specifies the language --compile-mbrola= Compile an MBROLA voice --compile-intonations Compile the intonation data --compile-phonemes= Compile the phoneme data using or the default phsource directory --ipa Write phonemes to stdout using International Phonetic Alphabet --path="" Specifies the directory containing the espeak-ng-data directory --pho Write mbrola phoneme data (.pho) to stdout or to the file in --phonout --phonout="" Write phoneme output from -x -X --ipa and --pho to this file --punct="" Speak the names of punctuation characters during speaking. If = is omitted, all punctuation is spoken. --sep= Separate phonemes (from -x --ipa) with . Default is space, z means ZWJN character. --split= Starts a new WAV file every . Used with -w --stdout Write speech output to stdout --tie= Use a tie character within multi-letter phoneme names. Default is U+361, z means ZWJ character. --version Shows version number and date, and location of espeak-ng-data --voices= List the available voices for the specified language. If is omitted, then list all voices. --load Load voice from a file in current directory by name. -h, --help Show this help.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:58 AM hozosch @.***> wrote:

Not VHE, just he

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By hozosch:

Oh, so it is with the v! Sorry, I'm not familiar with the command line. But "he" is the correct voice name!


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By OrionRandD:

espeak-ng -vhe " דוגמה" -X Error: The specified espeak-ng voice does not exist.

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 5:51 AM jaacoppi @.***> wrote:

Hebrew language is "he". Don't use "hr", that's for Croatian.

Use -X for debugging:

espeak-ng -vhe " דוגמה" -X Translate 'דוגמה' 36 ד [d]

36 ו [v]

36 ג [g]

36 מ [m]

36 ה [?]

dvgm?

The rules for pronouncing a letter are in dictsource/he_rules. See docs/dictionary.md for documentation.

Without knowing any Hebrew, it looks like either "ו" is set incorrectly to "v" or the rule for "דו" is missing.

.group ו ו v וּ u _)וּ u וֹ o _) וֹ o וו w

.group ד ד d דַ da דֵ de דֶ de דְ d דִ di דוֹ do די di דוּ du דׇ do דָ da דּ d ד' D דַ' Da דֵ' De דֶ' De דְ' D דִ' Di ד'וֹ Do ד'י Di ד'וּ Du דׇ' Do דָ' Da

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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #825 Hebrew is not supported
By hozosch:

Not VHE, just he


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[espeak-ng:master] New Comment on Issue #131 Voice flutters and makes a buzzing sound when rate is set to 100% in NVDA
By jaacoppi:

commit aa626828 is supposed to handle the language option "fast_test2" used by variant voices/!v/fast.

I'm not familiar with the details of rate boost. I usually listen with moderate speeds. My impression is that the language option fast_test2 is unnecessary because the speed argument (-s) should be enough.


1 New Commit:

[espeak-ng:master] By Juho Hiltunen <jaacoppi@...>:
eae0665be59a: code cleanup: move voices->width in LoadVoice()

It's probably unnecessary code and could be removed. However, it would
break tests. This is a temporary solution.

The solution is to do it once in VoiceReset() and then if the "formant"
keyword changes voice->width.

Modified: src/libespeak-ng/voices.c

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