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Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot
I did the keyboard/trackpad update, read the rest of the first
impressions thread, found out near the end of that, that perhaps I
shouldn't have updated keyboard/trackpad yet, and still seen no
comments on that. Perhaps I need to go read other threads?

I did finish one discharge/charge cycle. It apparently takes about 3
for the system to learn the parameters of the battery well enough.

For this older person, XFCE4-terminal is by far the better terminal to
do command line work.


I believe I need to get working on the WR-1043N build, and the laptop
will come in handy to set that up I think.

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Gord

Re: meetup!

Dwayne Reid
 

For those that aren't familiar with Startup Edmonton:

Suite 301, 10359 - 104 Street Edmonton, AB T5J 1B9

dwayne


At 08:31 PM 1/16/2020, lean909 via Groups.Io wrote:

Happy new year to you all!

Next Thursday 23-Jan-2020 we will have our first ELUG meeting of the year, at the usual time of 6:30pm at Startup Edmonton. The topic will be "Which flavor of Linux should I use?"

Come on out and, after a brief discussion of some of the various factors distinguishing the flavor families of Linux, you can let us know what your preferred flavor is, and why. ;-)


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Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around.
I have done an apt-get update or two, run apt-get a time or two and so
on. Synaptic is supposedly installed, but I believe synaptic is also
orphaned code in that it depends on libgtk2-perl (or something like
that), and that is deprecated.

So, I installed aptitude. Running aptitude, it noted there were a few
security upgrades recommended. Amongst these upgrades, was basically
all of LibreOffice. Aptitude then refused to update them. Apt-get
upgrade later on did upgrade them. There were a bunch of upgradeable
packages, so those got upgraded.

I installed fltk1.3-games, lmemory, stellarium and haveged. The 2
games work, but using them with a trackpad is interesting. Stellarium
works, but is a little slow. It probably could use better X support
(which comes in a MESA-19.1).

I am a bit more than 2/3 through the introductory forum on the pinebook
pro (abbreviated (PBP)). I just ran across, that xorg is custom code,
and should not be upgraded. If true, xorg should be pinned. I don't
know if it is.

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Gord

Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around.
There was a mention of "upgrades/updates". Normally, I do things as
root. The root login doesn't seem to have this upgrade thing. But, to
log in to the rock account, next to the battery is a MrFixit upgrade
thing. It seems to work.

I think the kernel that was here was 4.4.190. What is being installed
is 4.4.210. And other stuff.

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Gord

meetup!

lean909@...
 

Happy new year to you all!

Next Thursday 23-Jan-2020 we will have our first ELUG meeting of the year, at the usual time of 6:30pm at Startup Edmonton. The topic will be "Which flavor of Linux should I use?"

Come on out and, after a brief discussion of some of the various factors distinguishing the flavor families of Linux, you can let us know what your preferred flavor is, and why. ;-)

See you then!

Re: Mixes not working

John Hanley
 


Got it working. For some reason my tvheadend server reset itself and I had to reconfigure a few things including enabling my muxes. Seems to work now.

Thanks!
John


On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:10 PM Joan Leach <jleach728@...> wrote:
Perhaps the router or modem/router? I know I had problems with a second switch coming off the 5-port modem router.

Joan in Reno

On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:46:52 AM PST, John Hanley <linux@...> wrote:


So after that power outage yesterday morning my server crashed. Now when I try to view or record from my tv tuner I get an error that my mux can’t be opened.

Any idea what the issue might be? And possible solution?

Thanks!
John

Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around.
Reading more stuff.

The laptop does have power management. Out of the box, it is not
configured. You need to run the laptop from 100% charge to something
like 5-10% charge about 3 (could be 4 or 5?) times, and then fully
charge. After that, the software should have good estimates on battery
remaining.

Part of this, is that the power curve for LiPo is basically flat
everywhere, except near fully charged and fully discharged. To get
down to a (guesstimated) 10% is probably close enough on the first
cycle to avoid damaging the battery from excess discharge. Maybe on a
second discharge cycle, you try to get to 7.5% charge, and then on the
3rd try for 5%?

All of the reports I think I am seeing so far, are from the first 50
shipped. Nobody has said anything about upgrading Debian. People have
installed other software, but dist-upgrade or upgrade not mentioned.

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Gord

Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around.
XFCE4-terminal works much better.

One of the first things mentioned in the "first impressions" thread (32
pages long), is the camera. It doesn't surprise me that there is a
camera, I didn't know it was there.

None of the software initially installed seemed to have anything to do
with a camera. I installed cheese (at the same time as
xfce4-terminal), and cheese started and showed my ugly face. So, there
is a camera and it works.

This is a $250-$300 laptop (USD) which has no identifying markings on
it, that has what at first glance is a reasonable camera. You go find
a smartphone with a keyboard at that price. The January news update
from Pine, mentioned that they are current doing their initial
shipments on another new project, which is a phone. It seems likely
that nobody in Canada is supporting it yet, but I didn't dig very deep.

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Gord

Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around.
My Mom was floor curling at the Seniors Rec Centre, and I took the
laptop and spent time reading the output of dpkg -l, and looking
around.

When I got back, I connected the laptop to my LAN, and did an apt-get
update. Things seem to be up to date.

In order to upgrade the firmware, what one is supposed to do, is to
clone a github project and compile the package. Which can all be done
with an online connection. But, the process of upgrading the keyboard
and trackpad, causes both to NOT work (for ANSI keyboard, which is what
I have).

So, I shutdown the laptop, got another USB keyboard (happens to be
wireless), rebooted, logged in again. A person needs to run two
different passes to fix the firmware, and reboots after both.
./updater step-1 ansi
reboot
./updater step-2 ansi
reboot
And when it came up the second time, the pipe and tilde work now.

I needed to get a real editor on this laptop, so I installed emacs.

In any event, it seems to be an up to date armhf Debian-stretch install.

They have 2 or 3 GUI terminals (xterms) installed, and none of them
seem to want to display larger characters. I could change the screen
resolution, but all I want is bigger characters in the xterm. So, I
guess I will try my goto of the xfce4-terminal.

In order to get mesa support of the midgard/panfrost support for the
Mali-Txxx GPU in this machine, I need to update to Mesa-19.1 or newer.
I suspect that might even need a kernel upgrade.

Stretch is oldstable, and all of the midgard/panfrost stuff at Debian
is at least buster. Much of it is sid. So, I think I will take tiny
steps in upgrading this thing. First thing is more reading in the
forums. Getting it to buster, bullseye or bullseye/sid would be
preferred.

Looking around /proc, the cpuinfo file shows that there are 6 cores
(for this big.LITTLE processor). All 6 cores show the same bogomips,
which can't be correct (about 40 each I think). This server I am
sending email from has an 8 core FX-8320E, and each core is about 6400
Bogomips.

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Gord

Re: Mixes not working

Joan Leach
 

Perhaps the router or modem/router? I know I had problems with a second switch coming off the 5-port modem router.

Joan in Reno

On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 11:46:52 AM PST, John Hanley <linux@...> wrote:


So after that power outage yesterday morning my server crashed. Now when I try to view or record from my tv tuner I get an error that my mux can’t be opened.

Any idea what the issue might be? And possible solution?

Thanks!
John

Mixes not working

John Hanley
 

So after that power outage yesterday morning my server crashed. Now when I try to view or record from my tv tuner I get an error that my mux can’t be opened.

Any idea what the issue might be? And possible solution?

Thanks!
John

Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around.
The laptop uses a trackpad (?) for controlling the mouse. There are no
mouse buttons. I guess you tap the trackpad, to simulate pressing a
mouse button. So, I guess this is a 1 button mouse?

The only terminal session I seem to be able to find, is MATE terminal.
I've never used it. You can set screen sizes, but I don't see how to
change font size. I probably need to go out to the truck and get my
good glasses, so that I can read this fine text more easily.

When I do something, like start the terminal session, the bottom bar of
the screen says that the processor throttles up to 1.2 GHz briefly, and
then back to idle at 408 MHz.

Top reports about 4GB of RAM. There is some swap, I suspect this is a
compressed ramdisk that is providing swap.

Keyboard mapping is screwy. The key with pipe and backslash is above
the return key, and pressing shift and hitting that key gets me a
tilde. Tilde is on a key in the left upper side (and is the shifted
component), and pressing it is like Control-A in an emacs shell mode
(beginning of line).

Some of the device naming is reminicent of a RPi, I would guess
the /boot partition is FAT. The boot partition is 40% full, so there
might be problems installing another kernel. It seems that the system
is running off a 60 GB disk, which is 9% full.


I just visited the forums.pine64.org website, and the January news
update was out, and early in the January news is that the keyboard and
trackpad firmware in "this shipment" did not get an update. So, there
are updates needed. They also mentioned that the next shipment will
likely go out in February.

I have reading to do, and at some point, updates.

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Gord

Re: Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:02:01 -0700
"Gordon Haverland" <ghaverla@...> wrote:

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around.
The initial display is vagely reddish in theme, has the "pine cone" and
says Open Sesame. After a few moments, the screen changes to a
standard (I guess) login screen.

There are 2 predefined users: rock and root. The passwords are rock
and root respectively. The processor is the Rockchip 3399; this is the
second machine which has rock as a user id I've seen.

The bar along the bottom after logging in as rock, shows that the
processor is throttled down to 408 MHz.

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Gord

Pinebook Pro 64 arrived today

Gordon Haverland
 

The processor in this, is the ARM big.LITTLE Rockchip 3399.

Along with a bill for $51 for customs. Bleech! It is a preproduction
laptop not available in Canada, I don't think there should be customs
on it.

Anyway, what I picked up was a big fat plastic DHL envelope. Opening
that, I see a paper envelope inside that. Inside the paper envelope is
a power supply (wall wart), a USB ethernet dongle (the laptop has wifi
and USB, no ethernet), and an unmarked bag. The unmarked bag has the
nVME adapter, a non-straight ribbon cable, and a bag with some very
small screws in it (most are black, one is brass/bronze). Oh, and a
cardboard box. I open the cardboard box, and inside that, is almost
the perfect undersize of the same design of cardboard box. Open that,
and I get a piece of paper (introduction) a sheet of closed cell
polyethynen foam, and then a similar PE foam "pillow case" containing
the laptop.

The introduction:

Dear Piner,

and so on. So, I guess I am now a piner. :-)

If you have questions, you have to go to the wiki.

The first time you power up the laptop, it does something special and
then reboots itself. Every boot after that gets you a customized
Debian start up.

This intro pages says that the first time you boot the laptop, don't
have anything else plugged into it. No USB, nothing. Which for me
also means no nVME.

The Debian install has MATE for the desktop environment.

As far as I know, the lowest horsepower environment for PC class
machines is LXQT, with LXDE second. XFCE4 is in there somewhere. I
think MATE is quite a way up on the horsepower scale.

So, I will go do that initial boot, and have a look around. And
perhaps tomorrow, put the nVME drive in (I think it is 1 TB or ordered
for this).

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Gord

Re: Android One

John Hanley
 

I see. Costco is selling it next to the Moto G phones. I guess I thought it was a newer phone and was thus confused by the Android One specs. Costco often sells new “old” phones. They had iPhone 6 phones for sale not long ago.

Thanks!
John

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM Joan Leach <jleach728@...> wrote:
Google released Android One phones in 2014...Might be one for trying Linux or other updated OS.

Joan in Reno

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 10:10:53 AM PST, John Hanley <linux@...> wrote:


Just came across the Mototola One phone with the Android One OS.

What exactly is Android One and how does it differ from Android 10? The website doesn’t tell me much

Thanks,
John

Re: Android One

Joan Leach
 

Google released Android One phones in 2014...Might be one for trying Linux or other updated OS.

Joan in Reno

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 10:10:53 AM PST, John Hanley <linux@...> wrote:


Just came across the Mototola One phone with the Android One OS.

What exactly is Android One and how does it differ from Android 10? The website doesn’t tell me much

Thanks,
John

Android One

John Hanley
 

Just came across the Mototola One phone with the Android One OS.

What exactly is Android One and how does it differ from Android 10? The website doesn’t tell me much

Thanks,
John

Re: rsync

David Laycock
 

No more dangerous than normally deleting files.  I use --delete for my backups.  I'm backing up ZFS volumes on to external drives so there is no need for me to store out of date files on my offsite backup.  That log file mentioned is interesting.  I'll start using that as well.

Re: rsync

Gordon Haverland
 

On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:32:01 -0700
"John Hanley" <linux@...> wrote:

Replying to a three year old thread as I am setting up my back up
utility again.

Is there a reason you don’t use —delete in your rsync?
Courage?

If your site (and you are sysadmin/netadmin) works fine with --delete;
go for it. It takes much longer to accumatate data than to delete it.
Being cautious on delete is typically useful.

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Gord

Re: rsync

John Hanley
 

Replying to a three year old thread as I am setting up my back up utility again.

Is there a reason you don’t use —delete in your rsync?

It seems that if you alter your directory and then rsync, the deleted file remains in your backup. I see cautions in the man page for rsync on —delete. Is it somehow dangerous?

Thanks!
John


On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:38 PM mward <mward@...> wrote:

> What is/are the best options(s) for rsync? I seem to recall using -a 
> previously.

I like to use:

rsync -av --stats $SRC $DST >> $LOGFILE

After a run you can see what happened, useful if there are errors. 
'--stats' gives a nice summary of how many files xferred, how long it 
took, etc. Give it a test run with:

rsync -avn --stats $SRC $DST >> $LOGFILE

> a weekly basis, will that be any better/worse than setting it in 
> crontab to backup music on Mondays, photos on Tuesdays, /home on 
> Wednesdays at different times of the day?

Not really, considered in the long-term. It means each individual 
backup job will take less time - that might be an advantage in certain 
circumstances, e.g. to avoid a conflict with other services.

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