UPDATE: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
I'm pleased to report that yesterday afternoon I was able to get a 20 meter CS-Series transceiver on the air using the new FT8 digital mode. I made 8 contacts in the span of an hour and the CS-20 barely got warm during the 15 second transmit sequences.
I used the following equipment:
While my CS-20 is capable of about 8 watts max output, I kept the power down during FT8 transmit to around 5 watts by controlling the SignaLink's transmit audio volume. The longest contact made was 1900 miles (3058 km) from the SW coast of Washington state in the USA to Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. That's 380 miles (612 km) per watt. Fabulous! 73, John AA7US
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Ceramic Resonators
Adam Rong
Gang,
I followed VK3YE video to try 4.92 MHz ceramic resonator as the local oscillator for BITX-40 when the IF is 12 MHz. In his video, it seems quite easy to pull even without inductors in series, but in my case, even I used inductors, I can just pull about 10 kHz max. Do you have any experience to share here? I remember Japanese radio amateurs designed a 18 MHz band radio years ago with ceramic resonator. Probably you guys have something to share? Thanks, Adam
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
I definitely prefer winding bifilar and trifiar toroids using different colored wires.
Not only is it easier to keep track of the wires, but it makes the toroid look pretty... and a pretty toroid must improve performance! ![]() 73, John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <vk2aor@...> wrote : Thanks Adam Having come from a motor winding background you need to identify the start and finish of the coils and as such I have seen biflar windings done in 2 different colours which overcomes the problem of getting 2 starts together and hence to finishes.
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Re: CRKITS CS-Series Single Band SSB Transceiver Kit Announcement
Adam Rong
I just need some time to build and
test. I will be on business trip next week, so the earliest
possible time will be early September.
BTW, are you still interested in VXO version (aka KN-Q7A)? I have parts for 6 kits. I would like to offer at lower price at $100 each plus $10 shipping. The price does not include speaker microphone. Please place your order offline by email. Thanks, Adam 于 2017-8-13 9:51, landrjoh@... [CHINA_QRP] 写道:
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Robert Hudson
Hi John
Thanks for the info on the FET , I was probably a bit impatient to get it going and had not considered that aspect. Will get some IFR510’s and replace it. Best Regards Bob
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Robert Hudson
Thanks Adam
The instruction text says to twist the the wires together and the photo of the toroids shows them in parallel. I rewound the T3 coil using the method in the photo. Having come from a motor winding background you need to identify the start and finish of the coils and as such I have seen biflar windings done in 2 different colours which overcomes the problem of getting 2 starts together and hence to finishes. They transceiver works very well. Thanks Bob
Bob Hudson VK2AOR President CCARC 0415 969 308 Lecture Co-ordinator and Publicity Wyong Field Day 25thFebruary 2018.
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Re: CRKITS CS-Series Single Band SSB Transceiver Kit Announcement
Hey Adam,
When will a 80m/75m version of the CS-Series transceiver be released? Thank you, John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <rongxh@...> wrote :
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Hi Bob,
I'm surprised that the IRF540 is working as a good replacement for the original IRF510. The IRF540 has a significantly higher input capacitance (1700 pF) compared to the IRF510 (180 pF). From what I've read, higher MOSFET input capacitance requires higher drive levels. Also, the IRF540 is slower to respond than a IRF510. I wonder if the IRF540 has decreased the transmit power? Maybe Adam can comment on this. 73, John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <vk2aor@...> wrote : Hi John and all Also my local supplier did not have the original FET but a higher current rating and seems to work well. (IFR-540)
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Adam Rong
It is true that the wire gauge has
little impact to the performance of the transformer. Heavier gauge
will have a bit less loss but harder to wind.
Thanks, Adam 于 2017-8-13 8:08, Robert Hudson vk2aor@... [CHINA_QRP] 写道:
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Robert Hudson
Hi John and all
While replacing the final FET I forgot to put the insulator under the nut holding it to the heat sink case so it was shorted s soon as power was applied and burn’t out the winding on T3. I rewound it with 0.63mm wire on the original toroid and the wires fitted the centre hole without any problems. I saw the info about changing the toroid. I wonder if it is becoming saturated when using digital modes. I also learnt to put a 2 amp in the power supply lead , much easier to replace than the FET. Also my local supplier did not have the original FET but a higher current rating and seems to work well. (IFR-540) This was not my radio but will purchase one for myself. Great project kit thanks Adam.
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Adam,
Is it acceptable to use a heavier gauge (larger diameter) wire when winding a larger toroid such as the FT50-43? Thank you, John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <rongxh@...> wrote : This is
why our recommendation is that you change the ferrite toroid from
FT37-43 to FT50-43 or even bigger.
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Re: New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Adam Rong
You don't have to worry about IRF510
itself because it has a good heat sink of the bottom case. It is
the saturation of the final transformer T3 that causes the problem
if the transmit time is too long and power keeps too high. When
the transformer is no longer functioning as a transformer, the
load of IRF510 will change and it might cause its melting. This is
why our recommendation is that you change the ferrite toroid from
FT37-43 to FT50-43 or even bigger.
SSB voice will be fine as the power will vary all the time based on the voice, so there is no problem found. Thanks, Adam 于 2017-8-12 1:47, landrjoh@... [CHINA_QRP] 写道:
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New FT8 Digital Mode Easier on IRF510?
Hey gang, In looking over the characteristics of the new weak signal FT8 digital mode, I noticed it has a sustained TX time of only 15 seconds (versus nearly 50 seconds for JT9 and JT65). Presumably this is followed by a minimum 15 second RX period... probably a bit longer. Wouldn't this new FT8 digital mode be a lot easier on the IRF510 final amplifier found in our KN-7QA and CS-series transceivers compared to JT9 and JT65? It should cause a lot less heat buildup right? The following excerpt is from the version 1.8.0 release candidate WJST-X software: Brief Description of the FT8 Protocol
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WSJT-X Version 1.8.0 includes a new mode called FT8, developed by K9AN
and K1JT. The mode name "FT8" stands for "Franke and Taylor, 8-FSK
modulation". FT8 uses 15-second T/R sequences, provides 50% or
better decoding probability down to -20 dB on an AWGN channel, and
maintains good performance on Doppler-spread fading channels. An
auto-sequencing facility includes an option to respond automatically
to the first decoded reply to your CQ. FT8 QSOs are 4 times faster
than those made with JT65 or JT9. FT8 is an excellent mode for HF
DXing and for situations like multi-hop E_s on 6 meters, where deep
QSB may make fast and reliable completion of QSOs desirable.
Some important characteristics of FT8:
- T/R sequence length: 15 s
- Message length: 75 bits + 12-bit CRC
- FEC code: LDPC(174,87)
- Modulation: 8-FSK, tone spacing 6.25 Hz
- Constant-envelope waveform
- Occupied bandwidth: 50 Hz
- Synchronization: 7x7 Costas arrays at start, middle, and end
- Transmission duration: 79*1920/12000 = 12.64 s
- Decoding threshold: -20 dB; several dB lower with AP decoding
- Multi-decoder finds and decodes all FT8 signals in passband
- Optional auto-sequencing and auto-reply to a CQ response
- Operational behavior similar to JT9, JT65
We plan to implement signal subtraction, two-pass decoding, and use of
a priori (AP) information in the decoder. These features are not yet
activated in v1.8.0.
We haven't yet finalized what the three extra bits in the message
payload will be used for. Suggestions are welcome!
-- Joe, K1JT, for the WSJT Development Team
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Re: JT65 operation with CS-series or KN-Q7A plus Sandwich?
THANK YOU Junichi!
Wow! This is an excellent resource and very informative. 73, John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <mx6s@...> wrote : John, See the following page. You may need translation site. An builder in JA modified his KN-Q7A+digital VFO to JT65 machine. He uses a larger core and cooling fan. Without them he blown MOS-FETs. Though the KN-Q7A/CS40 are designed as SSB equipment, additional mods enable it to work digital mode. What a fun ! Junichi JL1KRA
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Re: JT65 operation with CS-series or KN-Q7A plus Sandwich?
qrpjl1kra
John,
See the following page. You may need translation site. An builder in JA modified his KN-Q7A+digital VFO to JT65 machine. He uses a larger core and cooling fan. Without them he blown MOS-FETs. Though the KN-Q7A/CS40 are designed as SSB equipment, additional mods enable it to work digital mode. What a fun ! Junichi JL1KRA
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Re: JT65 operation with CS-series or KN-Q7A plus Sandwich?
Adam Rong
John, Yes. It is for all bands. It is a wide band transformer. Thanks, Adam
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Re: JT65 operation with CS-series or KN-Q7A plus Sandwich?
Hi Adam,
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Is the substitution of an FT50-43 toroid for T3 a recommended upgrade for any frequency band of KN-Q7A / CS-series transceiver if we want to try digital modes (long transmission times)? Thank you, John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <rongxh@...> wrote :
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Re: How to Reduce CS-series Power?
Thank you for the reply Adam.
I don't have a CS-series transceiver working on 20M (or higher) yet. I'm still building. Now I do already have a 10W amplifier for 40M, 30M, and 20M which I use with very low power CW rigs and thought it might be nice to be able use it with the CS-20 and a SLA battery (~12.5 vDC). The 10W amplifier is limited to 1W input power as built. I think I'll just build myself a step attenuator box similar to this one: Problem solved! 73, John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <rongxh@...> wrote : It is not a good idea to reduce power by reducing IRF510's bias because it will make it work in poor situation. How much power can you get so far? If you can get 5 watt or more, adding a power amplifier of 10 watt seems not very justified. If you really need higher power, you can consider raising the power supply voltage a little bit to somewhere at 14 volt. Thanks, Adam
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Re: LCD Display for Sandwich
Hi Larry,
I think you already know that I want at least one! :) John AA7US ---In CHINA_QRP@..., <larry.lovell@...> wrote : If there is sufficient demand, a kit or partial kit will be made available depending on demand. Please comment on what you think. Larry, N7RGW
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LCD Display for Sandwich
n7rgw
After experimenting with several options, I have come up with a simple method to add an LCD display to the Sandwich. I use an I2C buss LCD display. I need to add only two wires to the sandwich. I modify the code slightly and thus I get a frequency readout. Attached is a standalone display attached to the sandwich. I added a 5 volt regulator to supply power to the display since it does not like the 8 volts where the sandwich is connected on the Radio board. I also created a box using a choc perfboard with a Li-Ion battery pack to power the radio and the LCD display. I have the code available on my website along with the dual band code. qrvtronics.com I do not have a complete kit available for this, yet, but Adam is having built a couple of faceplates for the standard box. If there is sufficient demand, a kit or partial kit will be made available depending on demand. I used Anderson Power Poles to allow recharge of the battery pack as well as access for external power. Please comment on what you think. Larry, N7RGW
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