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Re: Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021? How?

jorgeparraphotography
 
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Hello gang. I have a different question related to the subject, given I had the panel installed in 2020 so it came nicely into 2021,, so no troubles here, but I really got curious about the VARIANTS MANAGER offered in the Pull Down Menu of the PPW as a paid update, to generate several variants from any image, with the option to choose whether to generate a different document for each variant or stack them in layers, which seems to be the right way to go for proper evaluation, after the summer challenges.

When I go to the site

https://cc-extensions.com/products/variantsmanager/

I read the "coming soon" version is for CC 2018, and it is not ready (?) but no more clues about how to get the extension or if it would work in 2021 so I am curious if anyone has already used it and how good it is. I understand this may not be a Margulis project, but I ask since I got there from the panel.

thanks
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Jorge Parra 
www.jJorgeParraPhotography.com
Miami


Re: Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021? How?

Jim Sanderson
 

I wish I could help you. I just followed the manual instructions and it installed fine. 

Jim Sanderson


, with purpose and great thought. 

On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:51 AM, k_d@... wrote:

I have a similar question....but first an answer...Yes, it does work (PPWv5 in Ps2021) if you have PPWv5 operating OK in Ps previous version (Ps2020); then when install the newer Ps ver (Ps2021) tell it to import prev. ver. extensions and PPWv5 will work OK in new install....but be sure if on a 4K screen you don't set windows ease of access 'display' more than 100%, or panel contents will be too large and unusable.....you can change ease of access display + or - anytime (live, no restart, just "apply")...so leave at 120% for general PC use, but switch to 100% when using Ps 2021, then back to 120% when Ps work done.

But, I did not know that, and now have accidentally PPWv4 in Ps2020 and Ps2021 (in process of installing Ps2021)  PPWv5 now won't install in either Ps2020 or mPs2021...so I have the same question...how to install (auto or manually) PPWv5 in both Ps2020 and newest Ps2021???

Doug Schafer


Re: Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021? How?

Doug Schafer
 

I have a similar question....but first an answer...Yes, it does work (PPWv5 in Ps2021) if you have PPWv5 operating OK in Ps previous version (Ps2020); then when install the newer Ps ver (Ps2021) tell it to import prev. ver. extensions and PPWv5 will work OK in new install....but be sure if on a 4K screen you don't set windows ease of access 'display' more than 100%, or panel contents will be too large and unusable.....you can change ease of access display + or - anytime (live, no restart, just "apply")...so leave at 120% for general PC use, but switch to 100% when using Ps 2021, then back to 120% when Ps work done.

But, I did not know that, and now have accidentally PPWv4 in Ps2020 and Ps2021 (in process of installing Ps2021)  PPWv5 now won't install in either Ps2020 or mPs2021...so I have the same question...how to install (auto or manually) PPWv5 in both Ps2020 and newest Ps2021???

Doug Schafer


Re: Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021? How?

Adrian Thompson
 

I managed it as well on Windows 10. 

On 10 Jan 2021, at 15:19, Jim Sanderson via groups.io <Epeorusjim@...> wrote:

Yes, at least on my Windows 10 desktop. I had to do it manually per the installation instructions, but it works fine.  The automated installer did not work. 

Jim Sanderson

, with purpose and great thought. 

On Jan 10, 2021, at 6:59 AM, bill_iverson_washington <bill@...> wrote:

Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021, and if so how?  There was a flurry of messages last October under the Topic What Photoshop 2021 Means for the PPW Panel.  But that didn't come to any clear answer that I could see, and the roundabout installation method discussed seemed likely to install PPW 4.  Obviously, in my dreams I'd like to just download the Nov. 23, 2015 "installer" for PPW 5 and use it to install PPW 5 in my Photoshop 2021 (currently v. 22.1.0). But I have the sense that won't work ....


Re: Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021? How?

Jim Sanderson
 

Yes, at least on my Windows 10 desktop. I had to do it manually per the installation instructions, but it works fine.  The automated installer did not work. 

Jim Sanderson

, with purpose and great thought. 

On Jan 10, 2021, at 6:59 AM, bill_iverson_washington <bill@...> wrote:

Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021, and if so how?  There was a flurry of messages last October under the Topic What Photoshop 2021 Means for the PPW Panel.  But that didn't come to any clear answer that I could see, and the roundabout installation method discussed seemed likely to install PPW 4.  Obviously, in my dreams I'd like to just download the Nov. 23, 2015 "installer" for PPW 5 and use it to install PPW 5 in my Photoshop 2021 (currently v. 22.1.0). But I have the sense that won't work ....


Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021? How?

bill_iverson_washington
 

Can PPW 5 be installed in Photoshop 2021, and if so how?  There was a flurry of messages last October under the Topic What Photoshop 2021 Means for the PPW Panel.  But that didn't come to any clear answer that I could see, and the roundabout installation method discussed seemed likely to install PPW 4.  Obviously, in my dreams I'd like to just download the Nov. 23, 2015 "installer" for PPW 5 and use it to install PPW 5 in my Photoshop 2021 (currently v. 22.1.0). But I have the sense that won't work ....


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Kirk West
 

I agree with everything Doug has said regarding other "learning" videos, there is only one I keep coming back to and that is Dan. Despite our money being rather weak vs the US Dollar, I have made a small contribution (South Africa) and I will participate in the new challenges coming up.
Thanks to Dan

Kirk West


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Glenn Smith
 

My first introduction to Dan's work came as a result of one of those tutorials

https://photoshopcafe.com/amazing-color-texture-photos-lab-color-photoshop-tutorial/

It interested me enough to dig deeper and I bought Dan's LAB book.  After working through it, I bought the PPW book.  It has taken several years to reach a reasonable understanding of their contents and has been a wonderful journey.

Glenn


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On Jan 7, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Alec Dann via groups.io <alec.dann@...> wrote:

Have you ever considered issuing it as an ebook?  I expect you could outsource much of the production and it would enjoy more photographers to learn from it.

A pleasant thought, thanks, but my book production career ended with Chevreul. If I were nevertheless going to do an e-book, it wouldn’t be either MPCW or Chevreul, because there are plenty of physical books available. I’d do CC2E instead, where the beancounters at the publisher insisted on too short a pressrun, with the result that it now costs people $200 or so to snag a copy.

Although I do have the rights to make an e-book of that one, I have no inclination to do so. Nowadays I think people prefer videos, so just for giggles I decided to see whether anybody had posted on youtube a video on how to use LAB. I expected possibly a handful.

There are in fact about 150.

I have perhaps a proprietary interest in how people are using LAB nowadays, so I have actually spreadsheeted all of them and am starting to view them. Too early to make any generalizations yet, at least not about LAB knowledge. I will, however, shortly post about a matter of terminology that may be of interest.

Dan


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Hector Davila
 

On 1/9/2021 11:46 AM, k_d@... wrote:
Dan is still miles ahead in the color correction field.

Doug Schafer
_._,_._,_


I would say...Light years ahead.

For example, you can stumble upon one sentence in Dan Margulis's book that can change your whole entire outlook on color correction.

I read other books where I might learn something new, but not life changing like Dan Margulis's books.

His books contain more than just information, ...it contains Wisdom.



Hector Davila


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Hector Davila
 

This one that everyone should have looks to be available soon again at a relative affordable price:

https://www.amazon.com/Photoshop-Workflow-Quartertone-Quandary-Enhancement/dp/0988280809


Hector Davila


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Doug Schafer
 

I have seen several www videos regarding "learning" how to use LAB, and NONE are very elaborate. Most are someone who discovered how to change colors or add outrageous saturation...nothing even 5% close to Dan's books for knowledge and example content or what can be done, and how to use LAB....nothing in terms of .atn or panel like PPW...even for an abundance of Ps "panel" makers. Most are based on luminosity masks. Dan is still miles ahead in the color correction field.

Doug Schafer


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Alec Dann
 

Thanks for posting, Ronny.


Re: More case studies?

Gerald Bakker
 

I will certainly participate, as I did last year, and I have a request for an image category: architecture.
In fact, this means two image types:
  • interior shots, e.g. a church or museum hall
  • exterior shots of a city scene, i.e. with mostly buildings and/or streets
In the previous series, the only exercise of this type was the colosseum (night) shot. It's my favorite photography genre, and especially interiors have their own challenges: multiple light sources, high ISO etc.
--
Gerald Bakker
http://geraldbakker.nl


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Ronny Light
 

According to this link, Amazon has Professional Photoshop as a Kindle book.

 

https://tinyurl.com/y476k84j

 

 

Ronny

www.RonnyLightPhoto.com

5010 B Wilkerson Dr., Nashville, TN 37211

 

 

 

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On Jan 7, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Alec Dann via groups.io <alec.dann@...> wrote:

 

Have you ever considered issuing it as an ebook?  I expect you could outsource much of the production and it would enjoy more photographers to learn from it.

 

A pleasant thought, thanks, but my book production career ended with Chevreul. If I were nevertheless going to do an e-book, it wouldn’t be either MPCW or Chevreul, because there are plenty of physical books available. I’d do CC2E instead, where the beancounters at the publisher insisted on too short a pressrun, with the result that it now costs people $200 or so to snag a copy.

 

Although I do have the rights to make an e-book of that one, I have no inclination to do so. Nowadays I think people prefer videos, so just for giggles I decided to see whether anybody had posted on youtube a video on how to use LAB. I expected possibly a handful.

 

There are in fact about 150.

 

I have perhaps a proprietary interest in how people are using LAB nowadays, so I have actually spreadsheeted all of them and am starting to view them. Too early to make any generalizations yet, at least not about LAB knowledge. I will, however, shortly post about a matter of terminology that may be of interest.

 

Dan


Re: Where to buy Modern Photoshop Color Workflow in 2021

Dan Margulis
 



On Jan 7, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Alec Dann via groups.io <alec.dann@...> wrote:

Have you ever considered issuing it as an ebook?  I expect you could outsource much of the production and it would enjoy more photographers to learn from it.

A pleasant thought, thanks, but my book production career ended with Chevreul. If I were nevertheless going to do an e-book, it wouldn’t be either MPCW or Chevreul, because there are plenty of physical books available. I’d do CC2E instead, where the beancounters at the publisher insisted on too short a pressrun, with the result that it now costs people $200 or so to snag a copy.

Although I do have the rights to make an e-book of that one, I have no inclination to do so. Nowadays I think people prefer videos, so just for giggles I decided to see whether anybody had posted on youtube a video on how to use LAB. I expected possibly a handful.

There are in fact about 150.

I have perhaps a proprietary interest in how people are using LAB nowadays, so I have actually spreadsheeted all of them and am starting to view them. Too early to make any generalizations yet, at least not about LAB knowledge. I will, however, shortly post about a matter of terminology that may be of interest.

Dan


Re: More case studies?

Robert S Baldassano
 

Count me in.

Robert S BAldassano


Re: More case studies?

Tae Moon
 

I would be very excited to join in (would be my first time in a long time if ever).

Please count me in!

Thank you,
Tae Moon


--
Tae Moon


Re: More case studies?

bill_iverson_washington
 

I’d be eager to participate in a second series of case studies.

I’ll join others in suggesting more quality images with problems, rather than snapshots with no real potential. 

Images with specific problems rather than a generalized need for improvement are good.

So too are images where PPW can easily achieve a goal that’s difficult by other means.

While the line between is wavering and blurred, images offering a fairly objective basis to judge success seem preferable to images where the choice between the results of different approaches is essentially subjective.

 

Bill Iverson


Re: More case studies?

Dan Margulis
 



On Jan 7, 2021, at 5:04 PM, Ronny Light <ronny@...> wrote:


Suggested image types? More images taken with a good DSLR that are more than snapshots.

Most cellphone photos and scans of old, faded prints are challenging but are not what I typically encounter.

I forwarded your book offer to a friend who works at the Frist Museum in Nashville. I feel sure they would be interested and will let you know.

First of all, when I posted initially I had a secret number in mind; if we got that many responses I’d run a new set of ten case studies, if not, I wouldn’t.

That secret number was 15. As we now have passed that, there is no longer a need for anyone else to express interest. I will start to look for appropriate images and will plan to get started with the series on 1 February, possibly a week earlier if events permit.

With respect to image selection I believe that all of us who get work from other people are seeing more substandard images than we would like. That trend will probably continue. As Paco has pointed out AI is getting better and better, so people can do more and more work themselves. They will give it to us when they find it too difficult. All this is a long way of saying that I don’t expect to increase the number of “good” images.

Thanks for the reference, I hope others can suggest other recipient. Remember, it’s this list’s donations that are making the distribution possible.

Dan




Re: More case studies?

Beat C
 

I am interested as well. I only found the 1 week cycle a bit too short. Personally I would prefer a bit more time.
But I will participate in any case.

Beat

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