Date   

Chevreul book just hit my doorstep...

George Machen
 

...and from only skimming through it, it's already waaay beyond all expectations.

Wow!

– George Machen


Re: Phishing Scam warning

berdov f
 

I learned not to trust ANY e-mail, inspect them all carefully before opening. Last week there were two from "DHL" reminding to pay them $4.95 for delivery. This morning there was an offer of "fantastic joint venture". Oh, and there two from "silver singles". That's how it goes. Trash them and forget.

Boris Feldblyum
www.bfcollcetion.net

On Saturday, February 1, 2020, 2:19:02 PM EST, Mike Weis <weezimp@...> wrote:


I got a slew of them yesterday, most referencing this group. Somebody’s up to something.


Re: Phishing Scam warning

Mike Weis
 

I got a slew of them yesterday, most referencing this group. Somebody’s up to something.


Re: Phishing Scam warning

Aaron Elin
 

I received the same email and it isn’t addressed to the group but to my personal email. I didn’t open the zip file because it most likely isn’t safe.


Phishing Scam warning

Gerald Bakker
 

Yesterday I received an e-mail that looked as follows (sensitive data scrambled):

The contract has been updated, please check.
https://drive.google.com/XXXXXXXXXXXXX
Archive password: 7777

Rick, the classification "too old" is strange. My PC dates from 2011 and I was able to migrate from 7 to 10 without any hassle.
More likely, any of your hardware components does not support the migration, e.g. because the manufacturer refuses to release W10 compatible drivers. You may try to find out exactly where the problem lies and consider replacing only the part that blocks the update.
Another option is to migrate to Windows 8. Maybe that works, and it gives you 3 years extra support.

I don't know if running Photoshop under Linux is a good idea. I myself use LInux on a laptop, with a Windows VM. The VM is clearly less responsive and less stable than a native Windows system. Plus, you need to share system resources like memory over two operating systems. A dual boot may be viable, but then you still have the issue of running an unsupported OS?
--
Gerald Bakker
http://geraldbakker.nl

The forwarded text of this mail (starting with "Rick,") is a message that I posted here a few weeks ago. The text above that looks like someone forwarded my post to inform me of some new information about the subject. The google drive link exists and consists of a ZIP file. In it, a small Visual Basic script that looks very suspect, and is indeed listed as a Phishing Scam on some websites. (E.g. have a look at https://blogs.k-state.edu/scams/2020/01/23/phishing-scam-01-23-2020-business-administration-kansas-state-university/)

Be warned! The listed sender of this e-mail is a member of the group, but I'm quite sure that this person did not actually send the mail. Presumably anyone here can be a target of such a scam mail. I'm afraid this is an unfortunate consequence of the fact that our discussions are now open.
--
Gerald Bakker
http://geraldbakker.nl


List Rules and Objectives

Dan Margulis
 

Applied Color Theory list
General Description and Rules
(This document is posted monthly)

THE MOVE TO GROUPS.IO
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Last revised 12 December 2019
Suggestions for revising this document are welcome.


Re: Important notice to Canadian buyers

Douglas K. Jardine
 

Hi Dan,

If the DJ you are looking for is Douglas Jardine in Sechelt, British Columbia, Canada, I have replied to you in a separate email.

Ciao,

Doug



On 2020-01-29 11:01 AM, Dan Margulis via Groups.Io wrote:

On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Dan Margulis via Groups.Io <dmargulis@...> wrote:

Canadian customers GJ and KS, please contact me offline immediately. Multi-book shipments to Canada are going out via UPS, which cannot ship to a P.O. Box. Please get me your street addresses, or authorize about a $10US surcharge for delivery to the P.O. Box.

Sorry for the typo, I am looking for Canadian customer DJ, not GJ.

The printer advises that shipping is in progress and should be complete tomorrow.

Dan Margulis


Re: Important notice to Canadian buyers

Dan Margulis
 


On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Dan Margulis via Groups.Io <dmargulis@...> wrote:

Canadian customers GJ and KS, please contact me offline immediately. Multi-book shipments to Canada are going out via UPS, which cannot ship to a P.O. Box. Please get me your street addresses, or authorize about a $10US surcharge for delivery to the P.O. Box.

Sorry for the typo, I am looking for Canadian customer DJ, not GJ.

The printer advises that shipping is in progress and should be complete tomorrow.

Dan Margulis


Important notice to Canadian buyers

Dan Margulis
 

Canadian customers GJ and KS, please contact me offline immediately. Multi-book shipments to Canada are going out via UPS, which cannot ship to a P.O. Box. Please get me your street addresses, or authorize about a $10US surcharge for delivery to the P.O. Box.

This doesn’t affect buyers in other countries in any way; all other shipments are via U.S. mail.

Dan Margulis


Re: Heads up re ordering Chevreul book

Dean Wilmot
 

Hi Dan, 

Great to hear that even in a low key launch you’re still the Undisputed King with a fantastic sales response. 

Looking forward to being able to get a copy at some stage.

Warm regards 

Dean Wilmot
0416 264 230

On 28 Jan 2020, at 15:31, Dan Margulis via Groups.Io <dmargulis@...> wrote:


On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:14 PM, deanwilmot via Groups.Io <deanwilmot@...> wrote:

Hi Dan, Just became aware of your new book and this group. Im also in Australia so if you can advise on a solution to being able to access a copy of your book please let me know thanks again Warm regards Dean Wilmot (Sydney)


Re: Heads up re ordering Chevreul book

Rick Lush
 

How accurate is the colour in that pic of you signing?!!


On Tue, 28 Jan. 2020, 3:31 pm Dan Margulis via Groups.Io, <dmargulis=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:14 PM, deanwilmot via Groups.Io <deanwilmot@...> wrote:

Hi Dan, Just became aware of your new book and this group. Im also in Australia so if you can advise on a solution to being able to access a copy of your book please let me know thanks again Warm regards Dean Wilmot (Sydney)


Re: Heads up re ordering Chevreul book

Dan Margulis
 


On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:14 PM, deanwilmot via Groups.Io <deanwilmot@...> wrote:

Hi Dan, Just became aware of your new book and this group. Im also in Australia so if you can advise on a solution to being able to access a copy of your book please let me know thanks again Warm regards Dean Wilmot (Sydney)
_._,_._,_
Dean, we intentionally did not publicize this outside of our group, which turned out to be a wise decision in view of the unexpectedly large volume of orders that we had to handle from the west coast.

The latest news can be summed up as of a few hours ago as follows:

1) The book is no longer vaporware.

2) Those people who asked for autographs got them, at least if the shippers put the right books in the right envelopes.

3) I have a bad case of writer’s cramp, which I suppose is better than writer’s block.

I assume that shipping will start tomorrow. When the large bulk of copies reaches our warehouse in Atlanta, the chances are we will announce another sale before they go on the market generally. It’s no longer a secret, so the more word of mouth the better.

Dan Margulis



Re: Heads up re ordering Chevreul book

Dean Wilmot
 

Hi Dan, Just became aware of your new book and this group. Im also in Australia so if you can advise on a solution to being able to access a copy of your book please let me know thanks again Warm regards Dean Wilmot (Sydney)


Re: Error

Gerald Bakker
 

There are a host of possible causes for this problem, from an incorrect browser setting to a video format that is not supported on your system.
The best advice is to do a google search for the specific error message you get and work through the various tips until you've fixed the problem.
--
Gerald Bakker
http://geraldbakker.nl


Error

LOWELL FRANGA
 

Hello,

I am receiving an error message when I try to play videos. Screenshot is attached.
Please advise.

Lowell


Re: News on Chevreul Order Status

James Gray
 

At this time I do not want another copy of Modern Photoshop Color Workflow.  I think you are saying there MIGHT be a way to get a signed copy of the Chevreul book.  I can wait.

Jim Gray


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 11:59 AM Dan Margulis via Groups.Io <dmargulis=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Jan 22, 2020, at 12:30 PM, James Gray <James@...> wrote:

It looks like I picked a bad time to be off the grid for 2 weeks.  I just got back to a city with internet after 2 weeks on an awesome cruise to Antarctica with no ability to order the new book or even know the deadline.  In other words, I missed the deadlines.  If it were still possible to get a signed copy of the Chevreul book that would be great.  If not, that is OK.  I can wait to get the book.  Should I just wait for the book to be available on Amazon?

Jim,

Welcome back to civilization, if it can be called that. You are right, you are unfortunately too late to get into the shipping queue this time.

The latest:
We have not yet finalized a shipping date from the printer, are hoping for Monday.

For U.S. shipments only: if you ordered Modern Photoshop Color Workflow as well as the Chevreul book it has been shipped separately already and you should be getting it soon.

We are considering taking a second batch of orders once the Chevreul books reach Atlanta, because it will still be a few weeks then before Amazon gets them.

Dan Margulis


Re: News on Chevreul Order Status

Dan Margulis
 


On Jan 22, 2020, at 12:30 PM, James Gray <James@...> wrote:

It looks like I picked a bad time to be off the grid for 2 weeks.  I just got back to a city with internet after 2 weeks on an awesome cruise to Antarctica with no ability to order the new book or even know the deadline.  In other words, I missed the deadlines.  If it were still possible to get a signed copy of the Chevreul book that would be great.  If not, that is OK.  I can wait to get the book.  Should I just wait for the book to be available on Amazon?

Jim,

Welcome back to civilization, if it can be called that. You are right, you are unfortunately too late to get into the shipping queue this time.

The latest:
We have not yet finalized a shipping date from the printer, are hoping for Monday.

For U.S. shipments only: if you ordered Modern Photoshop Color Workflow as well as the Chevreul book it has been shipped separately already and you should be getting it soon.

We are considering taking a second batch of orders once the Chevreul books reach Atlanta, because it will still be a few weeks then before Amazon gets them.

Dan Margulis


Re: News on Chevreul Order Status

James Gray
 

It looks like I picked a bad time to be off the grid for 2 weeks.  I just got back to a city with internet after 2 weeks on an awesome cruise to Antarctica with no ability to order the new book or even know the deadline.  In other words, I missed the deadlines.  If it were still possible to get a signed copy of the Chevreul book that would be great.  If not, that is OK.  I can wait to get the book.  Should I just wait for the book to be available on Amazon?

Jim Gray


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 9:34 AM Dan Margulis via Groups.Io <dmargulis=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Orders have been coming in fast, which is no problem for the Chevreul book, but we did not anticipate that so many people wanted copies of MPCW. There is no way I can bring that many copies to the pressrun. Sterling has kindly agreed to honor the MPCW orders by shipping them separately from Atlanta. This, however, can only be done to addresses in the U.S., since elsewhere the cost of shipping is higher than that of the book.

Therefore:

1) international clients GA, FB, BC, MH, SM, KS: we confirm you have ordered MPCW as well as the Chevreul book and we will have copies on site for you so that it can be included in the Chevreul package.

2) Henceforth orders for MPCW must ship only to the United States unless you indicate you are willing to pay a second shipping charge. Orders for the Chevreul book are still open for international shipping.

3) If you have ordered MPCW shipped to the United States, in all probability it is going to come as a separate shipment from Atlanta. Alas, it won't be autographed, but I will autograph, circumstances permitting, all the Chevreul books where the client has requested it.

4) Because of the volume, please hold off on requests for order confirmation. Wait for an invoice, and if it hasn't ahown up within 48 hours of your order, then contact us.

Dan Margulis


Re: Heads up re ordering Chevreul book

Dan Margulis
 


On Jan 18, 2020, at 6:20 AM, Ross Mitchell <rossmitchell@...> wrote:

Cooee to all the list members in Australia.

Given the difficulties and expense of shipping to Australia, would it be possible to organise a bulk order of the Chevreul book into a single delivery to say Sydney.
Thence distributed by a courier service, one of my clients delivers their books using a AUS$11 courier satchel, will check on the weight limit.
Payment by Paypal, cost would be a combination of US$ (for books and US shipping) and AUS$ for courier delivery.
Personal collection in Sydney may be possible.
Would it be possible to include MCPW?


The brief answer is that you should probably wait before bringing up the idea. At this point the only people who know about the forthcoming book are members of this list. Once I actually hold books in my hands I will post something in my blog, and perhaps others will post elsewhere.

I am no expert on international shipping but as nearly as I can tell there isn’t going to be a big gain, considering that customs may have an interest in a large package that they wouldn’t for a single book, the possibility of loss or damage to the package, and the expense of delivery within Australia.

My limited research suggests that a courier service such as UPS is priced out of the question for Australia, although to Canada, for example, UPS charges rates comparable to those of the postal system, and that’s what we’re planning to use for Canadian orders.

For Australia and Europe, the U.S. postal system offers a flat rate of USD35 for a package of up to 4 pounds, plus a handling charge from our printer. As each of our books weighs over 2.5 pounds, this limits us to one book per package. For an “Air Mail Sack”, printed material only (books qualify, fortunately) they charge USD 5.00/pound with minimum charge of 11 pounds. For Europe this rate goes down to 4.20/pound. I believe these books will be a dozen per box, the shipping weight being about 30 pounds, so the cost of the postage alone to Australia would be around USD150. However, for anything of that value we’d want to insure it or send it registered mail, which would increae the cost.

So we thank you for the interest, and are happy to talk further when the time comes, 

Dan Margulis




Re: Heads up re ordering Chevreul book

Ross Mitchell
 

Cooee to all the list members in Australia.

Given the difficulties and expense of shipping to Australia, would it be possible to organise a bulk order of the Chevreul book into a single delivery to say Sydney.
Thence distributed by a courier service, one of my clients delivers their books using a AUS$11 courier satchel, will check on the weight limit.
Payment by Paypal, cost would be a combination of US$ (for books and US shipping) and AUS$ for courier delivery.
Personal collection in Sydney may be possible.
Would it be possible to include MCPW ?

I would be good for a copy of Chevreul and MCPW

I think that without a scheme like this it could take some of us a long time to get these books.

Regards
Ross Mitchell
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